moe? tsundere? [Otaku talk] (61)

1 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 11:05 ID:bNNCrHwR

Hi, I was watching lucky star and I was wondering what tsundere means. And how about moe? Does it mean a cute girl?

2 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 11:42 ID:y95YiK4q

3 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 13:47 ID:8MaPzFqN

tsundere's meaning is confused in Japan.
See Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere
This page looks correct so-so.

At first, tsundere is used as "combative character at first, and becomes sweet later", at Japanese BBS "あやしいわーるど@暫定(strange world @ zantei)".
Nowadays, tsundere is also used as "sometimes combative, and sweet" or "combative superficially, but fact of the matter is sweet".
In short, tsundere is a girl who is not obedient to her own romance.

"I, I, I don't wrote this comment for helping you! ...I, I'm just board! Okay!?"

And "moe" means "cute". You are right.
Sometimes this word is known as "sexy". But this is not correct. For example, a kitty is not sexy, but is "moe".
But... Japanese is so difficult... "moe" is not just cute simply...

Forgive my Eng<r>ish. I hope that anyone corrects this comment.

4 Name: 3 : 2007-09-30 13:53 ID:8MaPzFqN

mmm...
"I don't wrote this comment for helping you!"
"This comment is not for helping you!"
Which is suitable?

5 Name: Otaku Otherwise : 2007-09-30 15:01 ID:vEL6IASX

You know moe has a variation of meanings. It is usually meant as a turn on. When something turns u on that is moe. They dont call a kitty moe but kawaii which means cute =.=

6 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 17:16 ID:Gfu8bMKo

In America...

Moe= Cute
Tsundere= Character who loves someone but always denies it.

In it's simplest form.

7 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 20:01 ID:JRIn16aO

When the kitten is so cute that you fall in love with it and want to marry it, that is moe.

8 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 21:11 ID:MnORYYfx

I've always looked at the term "moe" to describe an attraction to idiosyncrasies that are common in anime. Examples of these run rampant in Lucky Star.

9 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 23:06 ID:y95YiK4q

cute != moe.
You cannot say "this (cute) cup is moe."

10 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-09-30 23:50 ID:Gfu8bMKo

>>9
If this were the case, you would just say "this cup is moe". If you want to incorporate both words, you would say "this cup is cute and moe".

11 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-10-01 02:39 ID:JRIn16aO

I have a hard time imagining how a plain cup could be moe.
It would have to be a very special cup.

I associate it with the kind of emotional character fixation drawn from the idealized forms and specific aesthetics of manga/anime, but I guess the term could be applied to a wide range of passions.
like having a moe for models or maybe Character CDs. I guess these are examples still from the otaku world, but it's an otaku term.

The day you can say you have a moe for gardening, I think the term will have lost its meaning.

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