Is Avatar an Anime or not and do you like it either way?
don´t you have any opinion at all?
Who cares, it's all outsourced to korea anyway.
Not really, anime is by definition Japanese, as I see it, but Avatar certainly is an example of western animation heavily influenced by Japanese animation. But if Avatar is anime, than so is The Boondocks, an undeniably American show.
yeah sure but it is drawn the way anime is only that it doesn´t have the never ending plot like DragonBall and Naruto.
And Anime is just short for animation although I agree that it is somewhat more Japanese than other "regular" animation-shows
Is it so obvious hehe?
yeah just wanted to see what other people thought not to convince anyone to think like me.
Yeah I think that anime is japanese but I also think that Avatar was really close to looking like an anime both style-wise and story-wise.
But I can´t really say much since I am kind of new to this and there sure are people who know more what they are talking about.
no its not anime, stupid cartoon network and their lame artist are running out of ideas, and using anime-style characters (correction, american anime-style. which is total rip off, lame and whatsoever) to draw more attention cause they're loosing audience. everyone watch naruto, bleach, dragon ball, shaman king, yu-gi-oh, etc. but only westerner watch stuff like powerpuf firl or anything in their family... only a small number of asian watch them... look at teen titans (despite my thought that raven is extremely HOT). they have "anime" written everywhere the entire series. and avatar the last air bender are one of those kind. i dont watch much cartoon network, so i dont know much series.
Powerpuff Girls has been pretty popular in Japan, genius.
"Avatar: The Last Airbender (also known as Avatar: The Legend of Aang in several countries) is an Emmy Award-winning American animated television series"
well no one said it wasn´t american
the question is just if the americans could make an "anime".
Some may say that it is just the japanese who have the "right" to make anime and manga or at least that they are the best at it.
I agree that they are the best but that is just because the have years of expirience.
anime = a Japanese word.
animation = the proper English word.
this is not a subject about what the words mean you know,
sure anime is japanese but does that mean that no one else can make anime except for japanese people?
Sorry guys, but it has to be Japanese to be a Japanese concept, like anime. If it's a Korean comic, it's called a manhwa for a reason.
Come up with some new word for the American style.
First off, on regards to The Boondocks, the first season was korean animated but season 2 is animated in Japan by Madhouse who is famous for anime such as Tenjho Tenge, Death Note, Card Captor Sakuar and Ichigo 100%. Would this make The Boon docks an anime now? Animated by japanese artists IN Japan but creator is of American desent. >>8 On the case of Power Puff Girls and Teen Titans were BIG shows in Japan on Cartoon Network Nippon, they were pretty popular here as well. I was sad to see Teen Titans go. And finally on the case of Avatar, it's a great show, at first I didnt like it because I thought about it as a rip off to Japanese animation, but around the second season I started watching it and liked what I saw so I downloaded the rest of it and watch the new episodes every friday. It is korean animation at its best, and u cant really call it a rip off of Japanese animation because of how it looks, because that is how Korean animation looks like. That is like saying Japanese animation was a rip off of american animation since it was made using Walt Disneys Ideas. We as humans have come along way and ideas are over used so get used to it.
If it's animated in Japan, but conceived, designed, and intended for American audiences, it's a little more ambiguous, but I consider that outsourcing, so no, it's not anime, even if the most talented Japanese artists are working on it and offering their creative input. It's an American idea and an American script, so it's an American project done in collaboration with Japanese.
>>16 There are not really that many companies in Japan that have outside help dealing with animation since that would usually involve the use of more money. And, the idea of Boondocks being anime was a hypothetical question I know it isnt I am just using it to prove a point. Besides Why would a comapany that does in between work for a company create a nationality for a film? XD In anycase, I wouldnt think that korea inbetween work is usually done because there is a deadline for each episode, in your case you'd have to mail it out and wait for a return. The faster the shipping the more money you would have to invest and japanese animation doesn't have that kind of budget if any at all. Prove me if I am wrong, I would really like to know, but I am pretty confident in my research.
Well all of you can really argument ( a compliment)
but I think that the future will bring us a lot of mixed animes and manga. people seem to like the anime style which means that producers will introduce new shows that are anime-like in the native tounge of any country (not just english)
So that means that there will be a time when we will say that japan invented anime-style but that other countries produce it as well.
well let us just say that for now the definition of anime is that it is japanese animation and only future will truly tell how this definition will change, if it will change that is.
And I think most of you agree on that, no?
>>19 Are you mexican? XD but seriously I agree, anime is pretty much what comes to mind first when u hear it, and that would be Japanese Animation.
>>20 mexican? no how come? I am greek if you really want to know.....
>>21 It's because I am half mexican myself and I have quite a few mexican friends who end their sentences with no.
I feel that though Avatar does indeed use the art style known as anime - I can not consider it true anime. It is very westernized and though it appears to be trying to copy the Japanese anime style - it is based around Chinese ideas. I do enjoy the show but I don't think it can compare to true Japanese anime.
I dont know if Avatar is anime or not.
But I can say Toph is tsundere.
It can be a cartoon but is undenable the fact of Toph be a tsundere.
Your all avoiding the main topic at hand:
Would you lick Toph's feet?
>>26 no but I would like to meet her (as a friend or else she might kick my ass)
I definently think that it is NOT an anime!
I think avatar is definently an anime. While it used to be the case that for something to be anime, it came from japan, I think in todays current time it just has to have the anime feel. If your going to hold to the same old stupid stereotype that if it isnt from japan that it cant be an anime, I think your just holding to outdated thoughts. For a true test on if something is an anime or not, show a a beginner to the anime world a couple different shows, maybe some traditional DBZ, and how bout something new like Melancholy. Throw in some western anime, and ask him if all the stuff he watched was anime. While thier may be a western feel to Avatar, you cant tell me that all japanese artists draw alike. You can tell when an anime is drawn by a curtain person.
Let me start off from a different, yet relevant angle. First off, I am very pessimistic
about the future of the (Japanese) anime industry in the US with the rampant of fan-subbing.
You may have heard various execuses for fan-subbing, but the fact is, once poeple find out
Well they're already doing that with the popular, money-making shounen franchises. Those aren't exactly a big part of the "anime-fandom", fan-sub consuming demographic, however. So it won't have any effect on them or the fansubbing. Mainstream anime/manga fandom is till growing though, so even with the reduced dvd sales, it's safe to say there's still some profits to be made off the foreign market. But it is at a major disadvantage when the local otaku, the meat-and-potatoes, core-target demographic, are highly reluctant to spend money on the localised products. That's a problem that Japan simply doesn't have, where every DVD is priced like a collector's item.
avatar is jsut a lame kids show trying to have the same appeal as anime.
It's technically not an anime. Anime is generally considered animations from Japan, specifically. This doesn't mean that Avatar's a bad show; it's one of the best animated shows on television created in the US(mostly; all the key frames, designs, sound and voice acting is done in the US, and all the tweens, the in-between frames, are done in South Korea).
anime is not a genre :((((((((( it is a medium
It's not even any specific art style [you can have everything from Haibane Renmei to Sailor Moon, artistically], it's just the Japanese word for animation!
Except that in the rest of the world, 'anime' has acquired a different meaning: it means they were produced in Japan, and build upon some aspects of the Japanese animation techniques and culture.
There are definitely quite a few shows produced in Japan that wouldn't qualify as anime if they had been produced somewhere else.
> There are definitely quite a few shows produced in Japan that wouldn't qualify as anime if they had been produced somewhere else.
And among those are pretty much all of Japan's most famous anime, like Doraemon or Crayon Shin-chan.
yeah, that is what I tried to tell you all along....
that anime is a word for animation. Not a genre..... if it was a genre (type of animation rather than just animation) then it would stand for a type of "anime" like horror or action, but still all anime falls under the same name.
Well certainly if you're using the Japanese definition, then it is. But most English speakers won't, so it isn't. And I don't think the distinction is style-based, it's based on where it's made. Or more precisely, where the designers are. I know Korea draws a lot of anime. ;-)
>I know Korea draws a lot of anime.
If it originates in Korea then it's animeh, not anime.
well i think "we" from the west call it anime because well, the drawing style was new to us, but now that avatar (and I hope other western shows) start to look like anime-style the line gets blurred.
Besides, Avatar is also animated in korea if you didn´t know....
Does it make it a regular show if an anime is dubbed, then the language isn´t japanese plus it is made abroad, huh what about that? Is it anime just because some japanese dude came up with the idea? (no offense to japanese dudes) If it is , let´s say a person from spain living in japan who makes up a show and it is animated in korea, is it still anime? Or would you call it a show?
>Is it anime just because some japanese dude came up with the idea?
You misunderstood what I meant. What I meant was that Korea draws a lot of anime which is designed in Japan. Which is to say they draw a lot of in-between frames.
>>45 but you never know if al the anime-creators are native japanese people, what if someone is adopted into japan and comes up with a plot is it anime then? It´s not like he chose his family or country, right?
>>46 If the creator is Japanese then it's Japanimation, aka anime. If the creator is Korean then it's Korean animation, which I believe is called animeh/(animhwe?) in Korea.
>>47 If the creator is Spanish then he's not Japanese. If he was raised in Spain it's likely he's familiar with Spanish archetypes and ignorant of the Eastern archetypes, and even more ignorant of the Japanese archetypes. The reverse is true: I heard of Korean animators being unable to animate simple concepts very familiar to Western continents and skipping drawing those scenes, or being very sloppy with them and that the scenes had to be redone.
>>48 I meant that a person born and raised in japan but with parents from another country who gets into making anime in japan, is it still called anime? I mean he isn´t japanese just raised like one....
>>50 i am just sayin theoreticly
Isn´t it a little childish to state that only animation made by a japanese person is anime?
I can agree on anime coming from japan but if you are raised as a japanese person even though your parents are from another country and you make an animated show won´t it be called anime with the only reason being that you happen to have foreign parents?
This is why I have given up making the distinction and now call it "Japanese anime" to remove the argument. Comes in handy when thinking in Japanese too, since if you say "anime" over there that can apply perfectly well to anything animated anywhere.
>>52 thank you! See japanese people use the word anime for "anything animated anywhere" that is why I think we should either do the same (call all animated shows anime) or use our own words like animation, cartoonshow, show or whatev to name any kind of animated show. That means that we can still call japanese animated shows for anime AND shows like avatar for anime as well.....
Think of it this way: If a lets say swedish cook made a greek salad it would still be called a greek sallad because it would have the ingredients that are needed for making a greek sallad. It wouldn´t just be called a greek sallad only when a greek makes it (even though it it is originated from Greece). In the same way: A show that tries to look like anime should be called an anime even though it isn´t made by a japanese or from japan. Maybe we cannot call any show an anime because to us from the west anime isn´t just a show but a type of show, the type of show that looks like anime: Big eyes, big hair, small nose and so on and so forth.
How much panties shots, sex, blood, deaths, and other adult themes are there in Avatar?
You might as well ask the same question of Doraemon.
And sailor moon or what about pokémon?
Sailor Moon got censored to death before it was allowed to air in the US. Several Pokemon episodes got dropped/censored too. Dunno about Doraemon.
You are just baiting people to provide a long list of japanese cartoons without all that.
>>60 you are kind of right, he/she is and well maybe that person is only watching "adult" anime and forgot about all the other shows that aren´t only about deaths and such.
A North American cartoon that attempts to mimic or copy japanese anime style, due to the increasing popularity of anime in North America. The characters are drawn similarly to usual anime, but the eyes are simpler. The characters' personality also attempt to mimic the exaggerated way anime characters act, and come off just looking dumb.
Totally Spies? Was that thought of to look like anime?
I know boondocks and avatar look like anime but never heard of Martin Mystery....
Nice find by the way! I didn´t know that there actually was a word for anime made in america (or by americans)- maybe because I´m not living there....
>Totally Spies? Was that thought of to look like anime?
Well, it borrows a bunch of the visual Japanese conventions, like the sweat drop.
I had a little lulgassem, bare with me,kill your self, its not anime, you have butt hurt, Doremon was the shit, to be a anime IT DOES HAVE TO ITHER
A.) come from japan
B.)carry not just a animation style, but similar elements all around the bored
>>65 What? Sorry I don´t understand what you mean (not trying to be rude)
Sorry for double post but I guess that the main conclusion of this thread (in my opinion) is that:
In Japan: Anything animated is called anime
In the west: All animation "from" Japan is called anime and the rest is called cartoon/show, except for shows that try to look like anime that apparently are called americanime.
Americanime... I predict it won't catch on because it's such an unwieldy word.
well it seems to be more or less the "official" word but that doesn´t stop people from refering to anime-inspired shows as just cartoons. But I guess it is just a faster way of explaining that a show is trying to look like anime and is made in america.
>>64 Hi! I was just wondering how you do to quote just a line like you did there.
I am kind of new here so I have no clue...
>Hi! I was just wondering how you do to quote just a line like you did there.
Just add a ">" manually.
>Just add a ">" manually.
Oh ok thanx!
well, whatever, I called anime a cartoon, and some fag tard decides I am an idiot for calling his precious moving pictures which is a cartoon, a cartoon, I'd say if it ain't real people running around doing shit, its a cartoon, Japanese people call it anime cuz thats how they say cartoons over there, while we in Canada and the US call most of our own stuff cartoons, I'm going with it all as a cartoons, however cartoon could be the big header of the folder and anime and whatever can fall under as some sub header, but who really cares, all cartoons to me anyways.
I call the top-level folder Animation. Under that I have Anime, Cartoons, Ero Anime. This makes far more sense.
NOT an anime. This shouldn't even be a question.
>>78 apparently it is an americanime....how about that? (said jokingly)
OK guys, I'm gonna sum up this thread so we can never discuss this again:
Word 'Anime' in Japan = animated shows from anywhere
>>80 well that was a semi-nice way of ending this thread...
Except the part about throwing up, that´s not very nice you know, for you at least. (Hehe)
>>80 OH, I just wonder if it is ok to call anime a cartoon since that´s what it is you know?
ok then, good.
have a nice day!
Common in the Southern Romance languages and nearly all of the Slavic languages. Mostly because they were far more heavily influenced by Greek which originated the construction than, say, High German or Norse.
Sounds good, I guess.
mmmmmm, not anime, but really, who cares?
"americanized" anime...'nough said
it's a miserable little cartoon! how can there be any question?
Well some may wonder either way in general, not just about this one show.
Everyone, shut up. We're done with this thread.
that is what I thought too but maybe someone wants to know if it can go on some more
Stop your crappy attempt at trolling. No new argument has been introduced in this thread in the last 2 months. There is an overwhelming consensus that when used in the English language, the word 'anime' can only refer to animated shows from Japan.
Well I thought that that already was the conclusion of this thread. We don´t need to repeat ourselves all the time.
It was fun while it lasted but there is an end to this now.
NO its not.
Anime = japanese animation
Avatar = somewhere not in japan
Therefore, avatar is NOT an anime
Wow, nobody has yet expressed this opinion in this thread! We all thank you for your razor-sharp insight!
Airbender = Lame Bitchfucked 'Art' demoralized, deficated wanabe anime.
Airbender Sux Ass!
Do what it says on your username you idiot.
Can people please stop writing in this thread now?
It ends here and now. No more.
No, I would never consider it even close to anime.
My step-bro calls it Chiname. LMAO!! lol CHINA-ME lol.
It is better then most anime though, hell i like it more then naruto, at least avatar uses motion capture aaaaall the time and naruto is just crappy anime&quality
anime is a shortened word for the american word animation. therefor, all animation is anime. now, is it japanese anime? nope. is it anime? yes. all animation = anime. not all anime = japanese anime.
Did you bother readint the thread at all before replying?
>>109 Whether they did or not, I completely agree with them and am glad to see the number of votes increase.
fuck no i didnt bother to read the whole thread! i saw what post 1 said. I gave my answer. All animation is anime. Little Mermaid = anime. Mickey Mouse = anime. All animation is anime.
Then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Your unoriginal opinion has been expressed 50 times at least and we are sick of this thread.
This was not a nice way of ending this thread so here is a better one:
Thank you all for reading this and trying to answer a (as it seems) pretty hard question (since times are changing).
this thread has nice pants
that was not a better thread ending.
It's an easy question to answer: no. it is not. not all animation is anime. only animation from japan is anime. avatar is a crappy little cartoon, and nobody likes it.
>>117 I said it is hard because everyone has their own opinion and can keep it since all kinds of opinions have been said.
The thread end here and now.
it ends when i say it ends, biyatch!
it continues!!!!!!! waah wahh wah
It was pintless to begin with, and it's even more pointless now.
NEED A COUPLE MORE PINTS FOR GAMGEE AND THE BOYS... WHAT'S THAT, BAGGINS? YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY DRINK ANYMORE?! NONSENSE!
This thread is now a continuation of http://4-ch.net/anime/kareha.pl/1200279461/ and is only to be used to discuss our love for Feito-chan. Please do not get off-topic.
So anyway, I love Feito-chan.
do not want avatar.
Please do not get off-topic. This thread is about Feito-chan. You may also mention Nanoha or Arisa, but only if it is relevant to the discussion.
Anything else is threadjacking.
would we consider hentai anime then
This thread is not about fatness, please, it is about Feito-chan, which for the record isn't.
It's an animation made in America. Cartoon.
Thank you for this totally original point of view which certainly hasn't been expressed already in this thread. A hundred times.
Avitar the last Air bender is not an anime. It has the reminence of a cartoon, and so far as I know is not played in japan and never was/will be.
We are >>133's courtiers.
We are sorry that our lord has created such a stupid post.
After the last war we had completely lost, our lord got mental illness.
Everyday, he kidnaps girls from the village.
in terms of what Anime means then Avatar is Anime along with Looney Toons and Futurama.
in terms of if its Japanese Animation then its not, Avatar was animated in Korea and Produced and written and such in America.
This thread is about Feito-chan. Future attempts at getting off-topic will not be allowed.
Anything without their ANN link let alone Ani.db will never be one
Avatar is airing in Japan. It even has a Japanese dub.
Well, I've heard the dub, and as a fan of the English original, I think it's really...meh. Azula's Japanese VA makes me facepalm.
More people should watch this over being worried about being anime
(¤I HELL NO ¤)
Never considered one no matter how much people makes it look alike
Avatar would not be popular without people that insist being anime
How is that crap even considered anime?
That's like saying "Jackie Chan Adventures" is anime...
Just because it's draw in a similar anime-wannabe style dot NOT mean it is anime.
Then again most weeaboos don't even know the the difference.
Weeaboos are the least people to consider anything like this anime
Avatar is annoying and is in no way anime. It doesn't qualify at all.
Funny though, I have friends who call it "Chiname". lol.
They would like something more nihon authentic not cheap imitation
why not? just because of where it is made?
Anime is never an art style but any nihon made animated production
>Just because it's draw in a similar anime-wannabe style dot NOT mean it is anime.
>Then again most weeaboos don't even know the the difference.
So if any Japanese person draws an animation it is anime, even if it isn't in anime style?
Anime style makes a loose term when some anime looks western drawn
Avatar is retarded, regardless of whether it is anime or not.
>most weaboos don't even know that 'anime' is japanese word for all cartoons independently of country or style
It's anime. Just not Japanese anime.
That's just like saying that The Boondocks is an anime.
It drawn in an anime style, but I wouldn't consider it a true anime. As Mr >>163 kinda related to, its drawn in that kind of anime way, but its not an anime.
2 years have passed, and this thread has beeen bumped a plethora of times :]
But, i dont know. I never liked Avatar.
It's funny to see the Otaku mentality this way. "Don't let anyone taint our Otaku vocabulary."
Is this the reason why you use "hentai" to refer to only Japanese porn animation?
I'm sorry, but "anime" is just a shortened form of "animation" in general and "hentai" means
The word Anime was Americanized to refer to Japanese Animation and has been used in pretty much every other country outside of Japan to refer to Japanese Animation.
Hentai can mean pervert (most commonly used is Ecchi) but it does actually mean porn, too.
you took the words right out of my mouth. i have to agree with what you have said.
I didn't expect to hear a reply that is repeated ad nauseam at this point. Well, what can I expect
from a person for whom the Engrish satire bit was easily lost. Your reply, along with many other
brainless replies, boils down to the country of origin and some obscure "Anime style" or
A interesting thing about Avatar is that the animators where required by the director to buy and watch all of FLCL before working on the project. If you watch Avatar you will notice tons of moments that are very reminiscent with FLCL.
Other Japanglish words that bother me in recent years are exemplified here.
Shounen, Shoujo, and Seinen.
anime = animated
It's considered an anime in Japan, but not in America, since the Japanese word アニメ is not limited to Japanese animation.
Actually Japanese animation is in fact classified (by the viewers and reviewers if not the producers and TV stations) as shounen, shoujo etc, though there are obviously a large number of shows that defy this classification system. Are you going to argue that anime is never targeted to a specific audience? If so, I will have to laugh in your face.