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1: Is goodness of art objective or subjective? (8) 2: This board is a piece of shit (7) 3: [Technology] Linux or GNU/Linux? (10) 4: Is there any point to space-travel? (11) 5: Are pedophilia and child pornography wrong? (19) 6: Smart (3) 7: It's okay to punch a Nazi (14) 8: ✨ Wonder Woman ✨ (3) 9: 8chan is down, is it over? (3) 10: [LGBT] Iceman is suddenly gay. What gives? (15) 11: exhentai is down, is it over? (4) 12: 4chan is down, is it over? (4) 13: Something must be done about /dqn/ (14) 14: Estonia??? NO SUCH NATION. (24) 15: The JS - "jewish solution" (7) 16: Lets discuss the Nazi heritage (160) 17: What do you think of illegal immigrants? (32) 18: Do you belive in miracles? (30) 19: The end of privacy. The Surveillance Society (4) 20: Nasty, ubiquitous and unloved (4) 21: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN http://fart.ga/ !! (2) 22: What exactly is culture? (3) 23: Debate should be deleted (5) 24: Would you rather have the cure for tinnitus discovered or the cure for cancer discovered? (7) 25: NO, YOU (12) 26: I don't get this attitude (9) 27: Why Japanese do not be able to speak English? (6) 28: Your opinion on WoW addicts/addiction to similar online MMORPGs? (11) 29: Which state do you hate the most? (21) 30: im hungry. (6) 31: History of Suicide Attack (15) 32: What do you think of illegal immigrants? (40) 33: (´・ω・`)Why does Team Rocket buy a giant robot instead of a shitload of food? (15) 34: evo vs cre vs id (5) 35: Global Warming (13) 36: iIf you had the power to change humanity.. (3) 37: deneld drumpf of hiloli clitton (2) 38: ASS>BOOBS (16) 39: social status, anxiety and hubris (1) 40: Legality of porn (8)

Is goodness of art objective or subjective? (8)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-05 12:30 ID:PTEEp0Tf

Do you think there are any cases in which certain pieces could be considered objectively better than others and why?
I especially want this person to answer.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-07 22:35 ID:Heaven

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-08 07:40 ID:Heaven

>>2
disgusting.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-27 13:51 ID:Heaven

>>3
What is and how?

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-17 23:44 ID:equKB5It

>>4
he means that he dislikes 8chan, and linking to it even more so

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-05-05 20:24 ID:Heaven

>>3
If >>5 is true, answer:
8chan overall is shit I agree, but what about that particular thread?

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-01-06 18:10 ID:Pp0pshAr

Bumping because I think it's an interesting topic

I've found that it is objective, but not in the way people think it is. The vast, vast majority of people will generally perceive art the same way. If a movie is dramatic and does a good job being dramatic than everyone will see it as such.

If we apply this to the theory that art is communicate, than it should follow that good art is art that the public agrees on the artist with.

In other words, the value of a work is subjective, but the clarity of it is objective.

If someone tells a bad joke, the joke isn't bad because it is a joke or even because it was a joke about something you don't like, it's bad because he paced it wrong.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-03-17 08:36 ID:DGB9BdwA

Supposing that goodness in this context means: value, worth, importance.

The way I see it, the concept of goodness is purely a product of human mind.
Since "goodness" is not measurable objectively, it is subjective.

The answer could vary a lot depending on your definition of "goodness", of course. If it is effort taken to create something, you could probably measure that. Or, perhaps, like the other anon said, clarity. Human reaction is measurable, too.
The thing is, however, your definition of "goodness" and the criteria used is still based on subjectivity somewhere down the line. The question is, where exactly? It's based on your values, of course.

OP is asking: "Do you think there are any cases in which certain pieces could be considered objectively better than others and why?"

Taking >>7 anon as an example, he essentially says "if art should communicate, then art should have clarity". If you accept this, then indeed it is a case where one piece of art could be considered better than another one. (not sure if it could be called objective)

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This board is a piece of shit (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-08-27 23:38 ID:NA9SIaAi

Prove me wrong.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-09-03 02:52 ID:UpSAgmHi

Yes but there are boards shittier than this

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-14 03:57 ID:k5bPeSA8

>>2

The important question is : does anyone in this planet even know the existence of the board in the first place?

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-15 23:01 ID:+LSl8rVK

>>3
Wonder Woman does.

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6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-12-01 17:35 ID:gBK1oce2

>>3
The more important questing is: do you WANT more people to know of the existence of this board?

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-12-02 17:44 ID:gBK1oce2

>>6

>questing

Fuck, I meant "question".

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[Technology] Linux or GNU/Linux? (10)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-02 09:04 ID:zi/Fxmkr

Is the operating system "Linux" or "GNU/Linux"? What do you call it, and why?

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-19 04:55 ID:PIy8bbVc

I call it "the reason why I drink", because I suck at getting it to do anything fancy.

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-22 22:04 ID:pE4WO7EJ

What does ``GNU'' mean? Now, what is Linux not? That's right. Not Unix. Hence, GNU/Linux.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-22 23:56 ID:PIy8bbVc

By that logic, tigers should be called "X is Not Lions/Tigers".

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-23 13:47 ID:Heaven

>>4
Fund it!

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-10-09 14:19 ID:Heaven

lunix

it feels good

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8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-01-22 06:11 ID:uNmJEjhu

>>3
GNU is the userland, applications like text editors, compilers, the user interface and so on. It is truly not Unix, because although it follows Unix conventions, it does not re-use any Unix code. However, it is possible for a GNU system to INCLUDE actual Unix, in the form of the kernel. The most common version of GNU is GNU/Linux, that is the GNU userland combined with the Linux kernel. Linux is not part of GNU, but likewise is Unix-like without using any actual original Unix code. However, there is such a thing as GNU/kFreeBSD, that is the GNU userland combined with the kernel from FreeBSD, FreeBSD being actual real Unix, as it is a development branch of the original Unix operating system from the 1970s, rather than a reimplementation from scratch like Linux is. So technically, a GNU/kFreeBSD operating system does include some real Unix code, however it does not invalidate the GNU acronym, since GNU is the userland, not the entire operating system. It wouldn't be entirely accurate to label it as a Unix operating system either, as the numerous userland utilities that come with most distributions of Unix have been replaced with their GNU equivalents. It may therefore be regarded as a fusion of Unix and non-Unix (GNU).

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-03-05 19:15 ID:QTqqfCZe

dicks out for Harambe

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-30 07:57 ID:S1n/mPUw

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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Is there any point to space-travel? (11)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-09-08 03:54 ID:dNB93Xj+

I can't see any reason to waste any time on it. In the end, isn't all we need already here? Would life in space even be sustainable?

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-09-17 14:25 ID:K5nDobr+

I agree with you
fuck space

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-06 15:08 ID:dUOv/Xr0

To let the human race live on and not end it with the unavoidable end of the world.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-03-12 13:29 ID:Imvv6CJV

dicks out for Harambe

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-05-19 14:35 ID:MVJAEr3s

>>3

pls read something about black holes

the death of our universe is inevitable

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-02-10 15:50 ID:FlQCwswK

The moment that humans leave Earth is the moment that they get cancer from space radiation because humans haven't evolved to withstand the true effects of the Sun due to the Earth's Ozone later.

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-04-30 00:28 ID:qLOQHfR8

Let me put it to you this way. No matter what happens, as long as we live , our very existence dooms this planet. now matter how many farms we plant, no matter how many mines we dig, we will never sate the devilish thirst of man. If we do not expand into space (which is an entirely possible prospect) society will collapse in on itself, our need for resources greater than our means to provide them. The sooner we are able to expand into space the sooner our we are able to meet our unstoppable and inevitable demand for resources, and the sooner we can preserve human life, prosperity, and our planet.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-04-30 00:31 ID:qLOQHfR8

Srry for typos. Poor editing skills//

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-05-10 01:16 ID:qLOQHfR8

>>5

Yes the universe will surely collapse in on itself before our sun dies and we use up all of our resources. How moronic.

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-05-14 18:52 ID:Heaven

Human life is not worth preserving

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-28 07:54 ID:nJd1RU+y

>>1
Haven't you seen Star Trek? Space is pretty cool bro.

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Are pedophilia and child pornography wrong? (19)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-05-12 00:28 ID:EoMyNKuq

I think that pedophiles get far too much of a hard time. Like other paraphilias and sexual orientations, many pedophiles cannot help how they feel. The press has a tendency to use "pedophile" and "child molester" synonymously, when they aren't always one and the same. Pedophilia is a recognized mental disorder, but many pedophiles are missing out on proper support because of the stigma and paranoia surrounding pedophilia. Is being a pedophile wrong in itself?

What about child pornography? From what I gather, most child pornography isn't Uncle Bill raping his niece, but rather "child modelling" photographs from where/when it is/was perfectly legal. The children and their parents consented. For material that has already been produced, should mere possession be illegal? Will it encourage further production and increased child molestation, or will it give pedophiles an outlet for their desires? What about lolicon, which is increasingly being covered by the same laws in many countries?

10 Name: >>7 : 2012-06-28 09:28 ID:jAufVJai

11 Name: >>7 : 2012-06-28 09:28 ID:jAufVJai

Bah, I keep forgetting to reset the post formatting. URL should be obvious enough though.

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-09-07 12:03 ID:b2DG0wLP

Being a pedophile? No.
Molesting children? Yes.
Getting your rocks off at CP? No.

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-10-09 14:05 ID:Heaven

>wrong

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-08 04:17 ID:odIPlsin

Yes

15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-03-10 18:40 ID:rOdBxs6C

dicks out for Harambe

16 Name: Anonymous Hebe Fan : 2019-01-15 22:06 ID:AVg2Cg4A

>>12
Agreed but what about loli. I mean I know shota is absolutely haram but Stanley Kubrick. True Story?

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-02-08 14:35 ID:wPXiDWba

There's way too many people crying "pedophile" on the internet these days that it's starting to lose its meaning. While there are legitimate cases of actual child abuse, porn, and grooming being inflicted on real children through places like Twitter, Tumblr, and Discord, it becomes a joke when people use said cases to justify their argument on why loli and shota should be banned.

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-17 03:27 ID:lw6DklXe

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-16 14:51 ID:dB4XClka

>MCMICHAEL claimed this post was a joke
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Smart (3)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 09:56 ID:1edKrmxU

Harvard Professor Howard Gardner’s brilliant conception of individual competence, known as Multiple Intelligences theory, has changed the face of learning and development. Professor Howard Gardner (Harvard University) has identified eight intelligences including musical–rhythmic, visual–spatial, verbal–linguistic, logical–mathematical, bodily kinaesthetic, interpersonal, intra-personal, and naturalistic.

In recent years, MIT can potentially include existential intelligence and pedagogical intelligence too. Tens of thousands of educators & researchers have explored the practical implications and applications of this powerful notion, that there is not one type of intelligence but several, ranging from musical intelligence to the intelligence involved in self-understanding!

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 20:14 ID:ULCpvX4k

2 get

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-11 05:09 ID:ULCpvX4k

btw is there a shitposting intelligence?

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It's okay to punch a Nazi (14)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-10-30 23:31 ID:I+G9D4rt

It's okay to punch a Nazi

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-04-19 08:04 ID:TkopAkk6

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-04-21 21:25 ID:TkopAkk6

It is okay to deport an illegal alien.

7 Post deleted.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-04-26 13:51 ID:TkopAkk6

The teaching of history should convey only facts and be free from political motives, personal opinions, biases, propaganda, and other common tactics of distortion. Every claim that is made about history should also be accompanied by documentation proving its basis. Only responsible scholarship and teaching should be permitted. Those who intend to support particular political interests and agendas should have their biased historical interpretations criticized for lacking proof.

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-05-16 14:11 ID:Heaven

It's okay to punch back!

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-05-17 17:43 ID:kQiuLueB

(☞゚∀゚)☞

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-08-15 21:47 ID:FD2Hkt/5

its okay to punch your wifes kid

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-03 08:10 ID:e5xdRAOJ

>>1

Aren't they part of the history book and in graveyard? So how do you attack the past and the dead?

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-05 22:48 ID:8ZR5tdwH

It's okay to punch a Wonder Woman spammer like >>12

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 07:25 ID:1uRdeYpO

>>13

Maybe Trump is the best target instead?

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✨ Wonder Woman ✨ (3)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-12 07:09 ID:hEDk+PNJ

With the powers of a god and the fighting spirit of an Amazon, Wonder Woman is Earth's fiercest defender. On Themyscira, Diana was trained from birth to be a warrior. Her skills in battle are unmatched, as are her bullet-stopping bracelets and Lasso of Truth. Now, relive her greatest triumphs! http://www.cartoonsexcomix.com/gallery/supertryst

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-13 06:14 ID:4fhSobh5

2GET

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-03 08:09 ID:ih8ydDo+

Wonder Woman : "I have a beautiful generous body and I really like intimacy in all its forms. Cum see for yourself and give me that orgasm I need!"
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8chan is down, is it over? (3)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-08-06 01:19 ID:I/qdA/h9

8chan is down, what reason is there for this? are they finally shutting us down?

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-08-11 05:42 ID:MOalPTHo

Bro seriously you don't know? Some next level (still sloppy) psyops happened earlier and infinite was targeted (read the book Daemon and its sequel Freedom. In the second book you see examples of actions being taken with a powerful media spin on it). This was a long con started back with the obviously forced Anon wears a guy-f mask meme. If you look it up there are stupid numbers of holes in the outrage crimes behind the reason infinite being cut off. You can go to endchan if you want to feel comfy but if you can help it stay off that part of the net because all the work that was put into this op needs to produce results to whoever called for it. I would say check back in 8months. /christian/

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-08-20 00:44 ID:Heaven

fuck off 8gag schizos

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[LGBT] Iceman is suddenly gay. What gives? (15)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-05-19 20:38 ID:IEQfjfG+

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/entertainment/ice-man-gay-feat-xmen/

I know that this is old news, but I've been kind of angry about this for a long time.

Before I begin, I must preface: I have nothing against homosexuals or any other member of the LGBT group or any of its members based purely on the fact that they are a member of this organization. Now then...

As far as I know, Iceman has never shown any homosexual intentions or signs. Of course, that's not to say that the creator had the intention of him being gay. But in the official comic that came out recently [(^Д^)], it shows that the older version of Iceman is not, while the younger is. Is this a sign of Marvel overcompensating for homophobia in its past or it trying be culturally relevant? What gives?

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-08-15 21:46 ID:Bdm58/yO

And then he ends up being trash and rejecting his own mother, lol.

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-10-05 21:04 ID:QGC5NFKA

Homosexuality is a illegitimate, it is not a sexual orientation it is a psychological (and maybe biological) disorder.
People who suffer from this illness should be treated as mentally ill and should be helped, those who wish to push this illness (such as the jews) should be killed.
We are at a point in time where we either put the stake in the sand and declare what is right and wrong and MAKE this world a better place by WILL POWER or we allow jews and their mentally ill golem to destroy humanity.
I don't have the energy right now to go through the web and post links here to every one of their attacks but I'll list a few recent attacks on humanity by the LGBTPQ+ "community"

  • distort peoples sense of reality ie blurring the lines between the sexes.

indoctrinating young children into poisoning their bodies with synthetic hormones in order to appropriate the appearance and identity of the opposite sex (this serves the jews because a million chemically castrated racially European children cannot pose a threat to them in the near future)

  • abolish scientific reality and any sense of morality by rendering everything as a "social construct"
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8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-11-10 12:48 ID:Heaven

>>7
...is this copypasta? I hope it is.

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-11-11 17:59 ID:Bdm58/yO

>>8
Copypasta or not, is it right?

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-11-24 05:04 ID:80sFEf7k

>>9
It's certainly alt-right.

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-12-26 04:08 ID:8sW9ZT6X

>>8
>>10
it isn't alt-right to be anti faggot. it's the natural state of the world.

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-01-05 19:18 ID:v1z+5CLA

>>11

This appeal to nature has been brought to you by the "facts and logic" memesters

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-20 19:07 ID:vv0uxFiR

>>11
Anyone who says this doesn't know shit about history. Attitudes toward homosexuality vary wildly between different cultures. The only natural state of the world is that homosexuality exists and people have opinions on it

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-08-06 08:14 ID:80sFEf7k

You know, I've been clicking on this board occasionally for years during my visits here and, despite seeing this thread and facepalming every time, never actually read the first post to notice it was about the X-Man. Instead I assumed it was about the prehistoric dude who was frozen in a glacier.

Guess I didn't expect comic book discussion on this board, as garbage as most of the threads here are.

I wouldn't be surprised if scientists had found some cause to theorize the prehistoric dude was gay too, though.

15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-08-10 22:52 ID:Heaven

>>14
Lol same, but with Kuklinski.

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