Do you belive in miracles? (30)

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-22 09:17 ID:8yAZNeS5

>>12
I watched the video you linked, and it contains zero references to what you call "downright lies, like psychs". I'm not sure what that refers to. Psychology? I can assure you that while there are conflicting models of human psychology, not all of psychology is a "downright lie".
Psychic powers? Those have little to no acceptance by science. But here's my reaction to the video:

Oh wow, a VenomFangX video. Didn't he delete his YouTube account after getting into legal trouble for donation fraud in his videos a year or two ago? But let's avoid the genetic fallacy and look at the content of the video.

>However, energy is reliant upon time, so if time didn't always exist, neither could energy. (01'45")

Is it really? Let's ask Wikipedia:

>In physics, energy (Ancient Greek: ἐνέργεια energeia "activity, operation"[1]) is an indirectly observed quantity that is often understood as the ability of a physical system to do work on other physical systems.[2][3] Since work is defined as a force acting through a distance (a length of space), energy is always equivalent to the ability to exert pulls or pushes against the basic forces of nature, along a path of a certain length.

Hmm, no mention of time here. It's true that you cannot actually exert pulls or pushes along a path without time to do so in, but the ability to exert them could still exist at any given moment without time passing, couldn't it?
Moving on.

>It is impossible for eternity not to exist, and I'll show you why. Let's say that there was nothing, at a point in ... not time, but let's just say before time there was nothing. So, nothing, no time, no matter, no space, no eternity ... nothing. Zero times anything is nothing ... zero. Zero times zero is nothing. Nothing can only create ... nothing. So something must have always existed, and it couldn't have been matter, couldn't have been time, and it couldn't have been space. [Going on to claim that this something was an eternal and unchanging creator god]

First of all, there is a difference between the mathematical concept of zero and the philosophical concept of nothing. I can have a zero amount of money in my bank account, and it will accrue zero interest, but this doesn't mean my bank account has nothing in it.
Multiplication should also not be casually confused with creation.
Furthermore, a statement like "before time there was ..." makes no sense, as the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time. Cosmologists have said that asking what occurred before the Big Bang is like asking what is north of the North Pole. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument#Scientific_positions; see also http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI200.html)
Quoting Wikipedia again:

>Extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.

Our most precise estimate, based on observation of cosmic microwave background radiation, puts a value of 4.339 ± 0.035 ×10^17 seconds on that finite amount of time since the beginning of time (or at least since the end of the Planck epoch, up to 10^–43 seconds after the Big Bang) and now.
Now, infinite density is easy to get by putting either any amount of mass into a volume of zero, or infinite mass into a nonzero volume. Note that for there to be any mass does not necessarily require the existence of matter, thanks to mass–energy equivalence. Just as energy cannot be created or destroyed, neither can mass. Infinite temperature is trickier. (continued in another reply, as I've hit the character limit)

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