Does anyone else feel it? There's a new paradigm afoot that's taken hold here, the places we frequent and the Internet in general.
There used to be a general cohesiveness, a sense of community. That we were truly in a way, as we used to say, a band of brothers. A shared purpose, a shared history. That we were more alike than we were different, even during feuds. We belonged. I'm not sure if it's the new nature of the net, which is more diverse and inclusive, displacing the white male nerd. Or the younger generation co-opting and usurping our culture taking it for their own. Perhaps both. Maybe we've matured and have moved on with our lives (let's not kid ourselves, most havent).
I can't help but feel as I sit here typing this on my smartphone, like an old man, sitting in a diner alone, wearing a cap with the insignia of the military unit he was once a part of. Eating my meal with a sense of loss and a profound melancholy. We've been through so much together and it seems to amount to nothing these days.
What can we do? Will we ever feel that sense of belonging again? Are we waiting for a new site, a new community, another paradigm shift? Or just rotting away at the end of it all, time to pack our bags.
I don't have much hope for it. If anyone's out there, maybe they are content to just watch. In the end, I think the outsiders stay outside. The forgotten remain forgotten. The world offers no happy endings
yes I feel somewhat similar but there are concrete problems we can address.
the new paradigm is having your real life legal name tied to your internet posts about how sensitive you are inequality. websites like reddit are so popular that they take away from textboards - if you want to stay updated on news it's all going to be there first.. so textboards aren't as efficient and go out of favor. japan is lucky that they have 2ch instead of sites like that and facebook.
Another thing that i feel is fragmenting boards is excessive moderation and censorship. primarily the reason I ever went to places like 8ch was because I wanted to be able to post threads without the being deleted like you know where. Well isn't true anymore. You can't rely on the existing imageboards to not censor your posts unfairly. I could run a new one that only deletes spam and moves off topic threads out but how will I get more than 2 people to even visit my site? Anyway I feel this fragments because there are a lot of people that thank the mods for deleting stuff (god knows why), "rulecucks" they are called. I don't see the point, if i wanted my shit deleted i could just post it to reddit.
All that said I think there will always be a demand for anonymous boards. There is a modern one atob.xyz it's pretty fun and interesting - I'm not a fan of all the wacky web 2.0 stuff in general but on atob it's a lot of fun. I think we could improve some stuff about existing chans too and make them accessable to a wider group - primarily just having one that isn't run by jerks.
I feel moderation/censorship is an overrated concern. Part of the problem of imageboards is insufficient good moderation.
But with sites like 4chan and 8ch you get locked into a problem: who wants to moderate sites like that? Power hungry people with poor senses of humor and ego problems, and site creators who'll soon be disillusioned. These people will delete good posts while making bad ones themselves.
Like Plato's philosopher king, in an ideal world we would have moderators who will delete unfunny shitposting while leaving up amusing things. In boards intended for serious discussion, they would punish people who resorted to lazy arguments without any humor to them. (Because as we can see with many 4chan boards, when you don't do this you end up with boards where any legitimate logical argument will be beaten down by people who can't actually refute the point and resort to replying memetically, and where the illusion of consensus is far more powerful than any other force.)
I've never thanked mods in posting for deleting things, but I have defended their heavy-handed behaviour in the past when going after a certain avatarfag. This avatarfag would (as many are wont to do) contribute very little except attempts to draw attention to themselves and feed their own ego, then complain greatly if they were deleted. When they made complaints they were being unfairly picked on, I made a pedantic point of finding every technical rule violation I could to draw attention to just what the rules actually were. (Amusingly with the notionally incompatible dual-goals of drawing attention to just how absurd the rules can be and using them as a justification to remove a problem poster.)
The community you refer to has not been divided. It has been displaced by newcomers who pretend to be part of it.
great article about internet, we should discuss it!
Articles, blogs, and meetings about the internet of the future are filled with happy, positive words like “global”, “uniform”, and “open”.
The future internet is described in ways that seem as if taken from a late 1960’s Utopian sci-fi novel: the internet is seen as overcoming petty rivalries between countries, dissolving social rank, equalizing wealth, and bringing universal justice.
If that future is to be believed, the only obstacle standing between us and an Arcadian world of peace and harmony is that the internet does not yet reach everyone, or that network carriers are unfairly giving different treatment to different kinds of traffic, or that evil governments are erecting “Great Walls”, or that IPv6 is not yet everywhere, or that big companies are acquiring top level domains, or that encryption is not ubiquitous … The list goes on and on.
I do not agree.
I do not believe that the future internet will be a Utopia. Nor do I believe that the future internet will be like some beautiful angel, bringing peace, virtue, equality, and justice.
I think anyone who's not a vegetable or coming-of-age would agree. Anyone who would even care to give it a second thought that is. It was inevitable. Meant to be this way. There's nothing you or I can do about it. It's so evident I wouldn't hesitate to say it's a natural occurrence. Honestly, it's a shame people who yearn for a better medium, one where people all over the world communicate the way people said it would be when the internet was first becoming popular. Only when the internet is largely closed off, if that for some god-knows-what reason this happens, will there begin to be private networks that turn up where people will freely be able to speak their mind across borders again.
I, for one, can hardly wait to move into my online gated community.
Why not read Quo Vadis while you're at it?
I agree with >>3.
Globalism has so far been terrible for culture, both on the internet and in real life. Maybe if we're a bit more partitioned, we can actually get some originality going.
Right now the uniformity being pushed by globalists has only resulted in groupthink.
I guess it might not be a coincidence that the international board is always the most cancerous. Of course, below a certain size it no longer becomes practical to maintain the internet. A small town might have a community radio station and a library, for instance, but because of its limited scale it is far more practical for its residents to go about whatever business they would have done on the internet some other way.
I think that moving away from a more open model to, eventually, "Big Three, but with apps" will not result in more originality.
The internet already does look like that though, with big sites like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and so on raking in the biggest number of internet users world wide. With a more partitioned internet, different countries or regions of the world can develop their own sort of websites like that. Internet protectionism is also nothing new for countries like Russia or China, where these local alternatives already exist.
A global Meshnet made with OLSR or BATMAN-ADV running everything on that network through I2P would be ideal, but it would never happen.
I started typing 4-ch into Internet Exploder and it suggested this board first, before the home page. Apparently Bing thinks this page is more important than /dqn/ or the homepage.
Well to be fair, only Internet addicts come here.
A Cheshire cat appears.
Disappointing, though I'm actually surprised it was around for so long.
it has recently came back
there old host shut the site down without notice and all of the data was lost
I never frequented the place, but it's always just kinda been there. At the periphery. Waiting for me.
Some oldschool shit.
1Chan gone is a big deal. I really feel each of these nails in the coffin.
Archive of 1chan before it got took down https://archive.org/details/1chan
chan graveyeard on a dead chan...
thatdog seems to have deleted his post explaining the shutdown in detail. Basically posting was disabled sometime in April for technical reasons and I guess he decided that it wasn't worth maintaining anymore because of how few users there were. The site was officially closed on July 1st. On July 4th he posted a link to an 8ch.pl version of /rail/.
Tor is probably compromised at this point. If you absolutely need to communicate anonymously, I would reccomend just using shortwave radio. Just a regular whip antenna gets a surprisingly strong signal.
have some Gary Mckinnon information documents, that he got from marianas web, or, the goverment servers ?
there are some links, maybe usefull
Torch - Tor Search Engine. Claims to index around 1.1 Million pages.
Grams - Search Darknet Markets and more.
All the recent developments are atleast very very frightening.
Anyway, powers who are surveiling the net don't actually need to compromise Tor, when they already watch source AND destination of the traffic, which the NSA is doing already(they are recording likely 99% of all traffic at this point). So Tor is by definition already useless to NSA. Only full system encrypted Nets like I2P or Freenet are fine, but there, the source/destination system can be compromised, especially since it's using back-/bugdoored Javashit.
Short: We have lost, badly.
We Will Rise
We Are Here
We do not choose to be attracted to children, and we cannot make that attraction go away. But we can resist the temptation to abuse children sexually, and many of us present no danger to children whatsoever. Yet we are despised for having a sexual attraction that we did not choose, cannot change, and successfully resist.
Your post reads like something a teenager would write
I have a tendency to disassociate the child from the body. To be honest, I find children to be quite obnoxious.
They need help
When talking of otaku culture and its various offshoots, we should probably be drawing a line between true pedophiles and lolicons, who very likely have no interest in real children.
The only websites I browse anymore are 4-ch and 4chan. And I don't even go to 4chan for discussion anymore, as I just look at the pictures. I also read articles on wikipedia, youtube for songs, watch porn, and google for movies and anime (mostly movies) I might watch. Lastly I talk to people on omegle to waste my time, because our discussion never gets anywhere. That's ALL I do on the internet. I don't ever do anything else, since, 2 years now, and I use my computer like 5 hours a day.
I don't even do anything different than I did 5 years ago. It's always been the same shit. 4chan, alternate imageboards, pixiv, animebytes, archives of /a/ and /jp/, futaba, and youtube. I think I'm going to take a break from the internet, actually. It feels like I've been going through the motions with no real purpose for a while now, getting away from it for a few months should help make things seem somewhat interesting again.
4ch is no longer that funny or enjoyable to me. I used to browse only this site for a long time when I was in high school, but coming back it doesn't feel the same although I know that it is me who changed.
I'm going to reply not specifically to you but to the sort of thing this post can represent. I disagree with the whole premise of the "growing out of the Internet" trope. If anything the Internet will be more prevalent in your life in the future regardless of your browsing habits simply due to technological integration. I hardly ever post here anymore for a variety of reasons but what has changed is not me, nor is it the Internet, or the content on this site, but that it is not presently able to add any novelty or value to my life. Things are stale mostly because the only people who have any cause to visit a site like this are either former or present users with ossified posting habits or inappropriately reverent newcomers who still hold stock in the smug seniority principle. The confluence of these two factors make these boards living museums and things are done a certain way out of inertia rather than any sort of utility. Don't confuse your own dissatisfaction with a systemic flaw in the Internet as a whole.
I agree with your general sentiment, but I really don't know how you can say there is no systemic flaw in the internet. The modern internet is a cold, overpopulated, stagnant, commercialized husk of shit. It has become a reflection of the real world.
Is the systemic flaw really in the internet itself or the way it's being used though?
All human endeavors are imperfect stemming from the fact that humans are defined by their imperfection so there's that angle that the internet could be flawed from the very beginning. I really think it's more of how it's being developed now though: https://medium.com/swlh/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3#.s02jq6eqr. The direction it's accelerating towards is one of trite exploitation.
Thank you. God that trope is obnoxious.
This, combined with "Think of me as Evil" [ http://assets.wwf.org.uk/downloads/think_of_me_as_evil.pdf ] makes me despair for the state of the world.
You can't close Pandora's box, we're stuck with this. There are huge economic incentives to keep it going and most of the general public don't want to stop it. The power to change the world lies in the hands of marketers and companies encouraging people to buy buy buy. This of course creates perverse incentives to destroy privacy. The more they know about you, the more accurately they can sell to you. With no public outcry ("I don't care that Google knows what porn I watch") no regulation will ever be put in place, doubly so when any country to do so would come under fire thanks to the interconnected nature of modern economies.
I feel like an old Bolshevik awaiting his show-trial. The utopian dreams of what a global computer network could do for human understanding and relationships hijacked by marketers to encourage you to mass upload worthless photographs so that friends you've not spoken to in years who live in your own city can ignore them. It's as though the entire point of social interaction has been missed.
Combine this with all the terrible UI decisions in that article [endemic in modern UI design, even for desktop operating systems.] leaving this nightmare inescapable even if I don't use social media sites (In a fun case of misfortune turned fortune, my often bleak worldview tends to make most attempts at faux-niceness/obligated reciprocation fall flat because I'm already subconsciously seeking excuses to reject validation.) and the future becomes very upsetting indeed.
Well that was depressing. Also more or less summed up my thoughts quite accurately. The internet started out with much promise and hope, a giant network that could let people access the sum of human knowledge and improve themselves. Now look at it. The revolution has gone awry and there's nothing we can do except sit in a cafe and sip our Victory Gin.
I sold you and you sold me, under the spreading chestnut tree...
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fapping right now
Hoping for a cute ID
Do you ever find yourself browsing through the All Threads list and enjoying very old posts? It's very nice to read through, very relaxing. It's like communicating backwards in time.
Yes all the time. I'm so sick of the rest of the internet. This place is my respite away from social media.
It's calm and relaxing, kind of like gardening maybe, or reading old letters.
Ye, i actually just started doing this (I never posted on this site then, though). It's super interesting seeing opinions change over years in a single thread.
what about when you stumble across all the fun you had on a site like this (or any site for that matter) and then you look at how many people are active and it's barley reaching double digits when it used to be thriving. I find that depressing as shit.
For me games hurt, like Return to Castle Wolfenstein when the multiplayer wasn't dead was amazing. I recently booted it up again to find no servers online and none of my friends want to play because graphics or someshit. Man that's depressing. You can get a sense of how bad its gotten seeing as this was posted like a year ago.
Some bastardized version of the Civilization III multiplayer has limped along for the last decade, but I never was much for multiplayer games.
I think the reason textboards attract so many of these (>>5) sort of posts is that textboards are the last stop on the line before people outgrow the internet. It hasn't been around for long enough in anything like its current state for a whole user lifecycle to be mapped out, but the two sorts of posts that keep coming up on textboards being 1) complaints about "normies," remembering how much better things used to be, and 2) angst about the habbits people have picked up, like the thread about how to stop being an otaku on the Personal Issues board and the complaints about internet use both here and on Net Culture. This theory also explains why textboards, at least English ones, are always skating on the edge of extinction; the users keep moving away.
I remember I used to read a lot in my youth, before I had a regular internet connection. 2-3 hours daily, and I would always try to read at least 50 pages. After prolonged exposure to networked information technology, I gradually stopped reading in any sustained way for pleasure. Over the last few months I've been trying to get back to that, with middling amounts of sucess. Its not like I have so much work anyway.
What people do after textboards, I don't know. Maybe they just get lives like everyone else and go on to become someone's eccentric uncle. I guess the world could use a few more eccentric uncles.
How do you restrict your internet and computer use, if at all? Since the semester ended I've been online easily 7 hours a day. It seems as if I accumulated half a terabyte of torrented files in no time at all. I don't really enjoy what I'm doing anymore, but I just keep going out of force of habit. How do I change?
Physically destroy your computer. If you're serious about it.
Worked for me years ago, when I was spending something like 15 hours a day online. Now I'm here again, but nowhere near as bad as I used to be.
Do you use your computer to do anything productive? Spending lots of time in front of a screen isn't so bad if you're learning a skill/language, or making art/music.
Perhaps you should try taking up a hobby. Some sort of cheap sport like racquetball or disc golf. Maybe a hands on activity like model rocketry or ham radio.
Consider joining a social club for something that interests you, such as politics or board gaming.
Finally, if you have so much free time you should get a part time job.
I use my phone for all "not-productive" browsing. It's kind of inconvenient, but that deters me from doing it too much. I use my laptop for only productive browsing now, including stuff like working through my anime backlog. Having two different tools for two different uses of the Internet helps keep me in check. I don't think "ah, I'll just spend 5 minutes checking that site again". I tell myself "I'll check it on my phone when I'm done with this."
A magical thing called self-control and willpower.
I wish I had some...