Current I just have 4-ch and Last FM.
I only go there for Nijiura, so I dunno
It's good. It is obviously better if you moonspeak. I used to go there all the time years ago. Brought back many cool pictures. I wonder if I still have them on a drive somewhere.
About nijiura, has it changed? It seems slightly different to me. There were also alternative Futabas around like 101fwy and a Chan dedicated to Ramen and beer, all gone now. Miss those nights of staying up reading obscure real nippon hours shit.
Too many to count. Digital hoarding is a really bad habit of mine.
gmail, 4ch, 4 youtube videos that i haven't bothered finishing, brackets
if you have any old chan stuff pay they bibanon IRC a visit - they like collecting it to make history notes.
4-ch, a few resources on engagement rings, and some stuff for self-teaching Python
A wikipedia page, 4-ch, the /mu/ archive (I don't actually use the board, just the archive for links to albums), and a documentary about walmart.
4-ch and himasugi
4-ch krautchan 2ch
Does anyone else feel it? There's a new paradigm afoot that's taken hold here, the places we frequent and the Internet in general.
There used to be a general cohesiveness, a sense of community. That we were truly in a way, as we used to say, a band of brothers. A shared purpose, a shared history. That we were more alike than we were different, even during feuds. We belonged. I'm not sure if it's the new nature of the net, which is more diverse and inclusive, displacing the white male nerd. Or the younger generation co-opting and usurping our culture taking it for their own. Perhaps both. Maybe we've matured and have moved on with our lives (let's not kid ourselves, most havent).
I can't help but feel as I sit here typing this on my smartphone, like an old man, sitting in a diner alone, wearing a cap with the insignia of the military unit he was once a part of. Eating my meal with a sense of loss and a profound melancholy. We've been through so much together and it seems to amount to nothing these days.
What can we do? Will we ever feel that sense of belonging again? Are we waiting for a new site, a new community, another paradigm shift? Or just rotting away at the end of it all, time to pack our bags.
Old men like you, >>9, are the ones that speak in riddles. Much like you, we have run out of answers.
I'll bite. It's late and I just spilled coffee all over myself and the table, but I'll take a moment and try to whip up a thought on the subject.
This is not another run-of-the-mill "nobody is posting on 4-ch, the sky is falling!" narrative that we've seen countless times before and in fact still suffer through every other week. Nor is it me just idly pining for the old days, throwing it out there for others to passively agree with (though what more can we do?). You reveal your unfamiliarity with this website >>9, by asking for examples, as it's obvious to us what I'm speaking of. It's nothing arcane, and if you've been around, you'll see it too.
Here's something. Though it's only a part of the puzzle, I could count on one hand the websites in the chaniverse that have survived as long as 4-ch. I've seen the rise and fall of websites large and small. What really got me thinking about this was the demise of iichan/Wakachan last year. It's happened before but it never left me with such a bleak feeling. It was one of the few places that still clearly resembled "our hangout" - a comparatively undiluted culture not that far removed from 4-ch's new imageboard. Which to me feels a little too stale, a little too haphazard, though a welcome diversion. Only a few users have stayed on with the intention of continuing the site and what was already an extremely slow pace has trickled down into nothingness. We've seen the same here. We've seen the same in other places. We've seen 4chan finally succumb to the cancer almost completely. I know next to nothing about 8ch as it's long after my time and have only heard about it from people like the ones posting in this thread. To be honest, I think some of us have really struggled to define why we post here.
there's a saying: "The amount of effort required to refute bullshit is a hundred times higher than the amount needed to produce it". This might sound of kind tin foil but I think on major sites there are people being paid2post who say disruptive things and ruin discussion. Basically there is an economic imbalance that makes it extremely hard for high quality discussion and posting to survive. Almost like the physical law of entropy - everything grinds down into fucking dust eventually.
>I'm like a junkie that's been told they don't make my drug anymore.
I never thought about it this way but it's so true. I have no reservations admitting im an internet addict, but the high is gone. there's no website i care about or am excited to go to these days. it's not the same at all.. but I am restlessy searching.
The loss of iichan/Wakachan was a big deal. Another thing that hit me hard was secret area of vip quality too vanishing. Especially with no archive of the site. At least we have a replacement.
>there's no website i care about or am excited to go to these days. it's not the same at all..
We all feel this way. But that begs the question－what are we gonna do about it, if anything? Why aren't we rallying behind the cause to restore what once was? Have we accepted defeat? Or has our internet addiction grown so far that no matter what we do, we'll never experience that same "high" again, as we did in the past?
>Anyway, before the current age of the internet, there was always an inherent belief that we were "going somehwere" and while some of us were content to just take the ride, it now feels.... anticlimactic?
This is a good articulation of a way I've been feeling for a while. I think communities truly die when they lose that feeling of actually heading in some kind of direction. Once you lose that, contributing valuable content, etc, tends to be less appealing because it doesn't feel like there's a point to it.
The biggest problem is that when you artificially try to set up a community to try and avoid this malaise, everyone is already feeling it and the community will fail because people enter already cynical. Pandora's box and all that.
I think maybe it's like being on a train. Even if you're only going to some pointless stuffy business meeting, it feels bad when the train isn't moving. Even if the train was moving in the wrong direction anyway, it felt good to see scenery go by and feel the carriage shake a bit. Now that it's stopped the illusion has been lost.
>The biggest problem is that when you artificially try to set up a community to try and avoid this malaise, everyone is already feeling it and the community will fail because people enter already cynical. Pandora's box and all that.
Don't refer to it as though it's irreversible. Yes, the state of the internet (and arguably, the state of the entire civilization) is in a bit of a pinch right now. Yes, there's no purpose for us to rally behind, and that sentiment is echoed by multiple generations of all walks of life, but that doesn't mean we can't find something. If we work together instead of wailing and gnashing our teeth at what was lost, we might just get the train going again.
I'll agree on that first point but; the problem cannot be fixed by only overlays, but with added cultural obscurity aswell. No amount of encryption on its own will keep someone from content they really really want to find, if they believe it to be "viral".
4chan was only a obscure site for nerds until it wasnt, just like youtube was just a place to upload and watch average user's videos until it wasn't. The new cultural and economic emphasis on qualities of uniqueness, virility, easier living through computing, and novelty, create a machine of events that can bring any subculture to its knees before the mainstream in a month or less. Unique ideas get run through the wringer and retired to the recycle bin in the name of progress; creating a vacuum that only new cultures and memes can fill
It would be cool if there was a symbol or something to use in the wild, to just talk with other browsers on the street, but with the speed that things get appropriated these days it's effectiveness and novelty would be short lived.
Without getting too chatty, i believe you about the disruption. Maybe it'll be a phase, like adbots. Maybe. I hope...
>the problem cannot be fixed by only overlays, but with added cultural obscurity as well.
Added layers of obstruction create obscurity because the average internet user has no idea how to set up the things necessary to visit a site hidden from Google's indexes, much less from ICANN's IP address space. Hell, anything more complicated than typing a URL into an address bar or installing an app is increasingly becoming too difficult for the average internet user. This is partly because the internet userbase is ever expanding to include more of the lowest common denominator, partly because uncustomizable mobile phones and tablets have become the majority of internet-connected devices (on the user side anyway).
>4chan was only a obscure site for nerds until it wasnt, just like youtube was just a place to upload and watch average user's videos until it wasn't.
That didn't happen by chance. The sites' respective administrations never put a brake on things, but in fact encouraged further growth and change. Because both were motivated by money to do so. Moot could have easily cracked down on the unwanted behaviors that exposed 4chan to the vast multitudes of people who should not be there, but he didn't because he saw opportunity in growth no matter how much he denies 4chan ever being profitable. YouTube/Google could have easily not created the partnership program and kept more sincere and original content made by the average person alive, but they saw opportunity and went for it.
>The new cultural and economic emphasis on qualities of uniqueness, virility, easier living through computing, and novelty, create a machine of events that can bring any subculture to its knees before the mainstream in a month or less. Unique ideas get run through the wringer and retired to the recycle bin in the name of progress; creating a vacuum that only new cultures and memes can fill
Adam Curtis (BBC Documentary maker. Watch all of his stuff now, read his entire blog, then watch his stuff again, he's wonderful.) Wrote a nice piece on something along these lines.
>"Bernbach's enthusiasm for the idea of 'difference' became the magic cultural formula by which the life of consumerism could be extended indefinitely, running forever on the discontent that it itself had produced"
One has to wonder if the internet (and with it, theoretically near-instantaneous communication of what's cool and what isn't) has taken this little cycle of consumerism and sped it up to the point where it risks tearing itself apart from centrifugal forces. Stuxnet for culture.
"Finally, the rain stops, and a rainbow appears there" means world peace in knowledge which a Japanese tourist needs.
/o/ is mad as hell and they're not gonna take this anymore.
Not a Imageboard but YTMND.com is going down.
why is everything dying?
Huh, what do you mean? I can't find any mention of it closing down. Or do you mean something else by "going down"?
Max as announced that ytmnd is "no longer profitable and will likely go down"
This is not even mentioning that he is tired of the whole thing.
>“Besides being a time capsule I don’t really see a reason for it to continue to exist... It seems like the internet has moved on,” he pauses, sounding overwhelmed. “And I’ve moved on too. I don’t have much interest in the site beyond it being good memories.”
Those words hit home for so many things online, don't they. I am positively shocked it's still around even now. It is firmly part of the net that is at least a decade past it's usefulness.
I really feel it. Those days have finally come to pass. All those things are merely a part of the past now.
I also received word a few days ago that idlechan.net, the project to continue the legacy of the iichan/Wakachan network, is shutting down, effectively ending it's 12 year run. The longest lived 4chan alternative gone. Now that one makes me feel old.
The funny thing is that the Russian iichan (Ычан) is still up, thank God I know Russian.
tfw i dont know russian
I started typing 4-ch into Internet Exploder and it suggested this board first, before the home page. Apparently Bing thinks this page is more important than /dqn/ or the homepage.
Well to be fair, only Internet addicts come here.
A Cheshire cat appears.
Sadly I cannot post through my work computer, as it is only connected to an intranet as opposed to the worldwide web. That and the sergeant would be pissed off if he saw me doing other shit on the computer when I'm supposed to be looking at the surveillance camera, access control and fire alarm feeds.
Why would DQN be more important than IAA? DQN is just for humor and foolishness.
great article about internet, we should discuss it!
Articles, blogs, and meetings about the internet of the future are filled with happy, positive words like “global”, “uniform”, and “open”.
The future internet is described in ways that seem as if taken from a late 1960’s Utopian sci-fi novel: the internet is seen as overcoming petty rivalries between countries, dissolving social rank, equalizing wealth, and bringing universal justice.
If that future is to be believed, the only obstacle standing between us and an Arcadian world of peace and harmony is that the internet does not yet reach everyone, or that network carriers are unfairly giving different treatment to different kinds of traffic, or that evil governments are erecting “Great Walls”, or that IPv6 is not yet everywhere, or that big companies are acquiring top level domains, or that encryption is not ubiquitous … The list goes on and on.
I do not agree.
I do not believe that the future internet will be a Utopia. Nor do I believe that the future internet will be like some beautiful angel, bringing peace, virtue, equality, and justice.
I agree with >>3.
Globalism has so far been terrible for culture, both on the internet and in real life. Maybe if we're a bit more partitioned, we can actually get some originality going.
Right now the uniformity being pushed by globalists has only resulted in groupthink.
I guess it might not be a coincidence that the international board is always the most cancerous. Of course, below a certain size it no longer becomes practical to maintain the internet. A small town might have a community radio station and a library, for instance, but because of its limited scale it is far more practical for its residents to go about whatever business they would have done on the internet some other way.
I think that moving away from a more open model to, eventually, "Big Three, but with apps" will not result in more originality.
The internet already does look like that though, with big sites like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and so on raking in the biggest number of internet users world wide. With a more partitioned internet, different countries or regions of the world can develop their own sort of websites like that. Internet protectionism is also nothing new for countries like Russia or China, where these local alternatives already exist.
A global Meshnet made with OLSR or BATMAN-ADV running everything on that network through I2P would be ideal, but it would never happen.
We need to build our own internet with our own IP address space. No "social media" or SJWs allowed.
Oh, them too, definitely. They're just another version of an SJW anyway.
The only relevant textboard in english ;_;
if you think '4chan children' even know about this place, you're an idiot.
Great post, you've really contributed to the conversation. Contrary to your idiotic beliefs, 4-ch is well known on 4chan, especially boards like /qa/. Sounds like you're the type of retard who believes that all of 4chan = /b/.
Thank you for showing us all how autistic you are.
let's be nice to each other not fight...
It's true not all of 4chan is /b/, but a considerably large percentage of 4chan is, in fact, /b/.
And the boards that don't happen to be /b/ have a userbase that might at least partially overlap with users who have browsed /b/ in the past month or so.
this is crazy, I posted this thread years ago
>>77 You sure sound like one of these people you have such a distaste for. Such people will easily cripple a web site like this in numbers as few as a half a dozen posting regularly; they can't even enjoy themselves on a desert island. They are the invasive oil well outposts of the internet
We're still the most relevant english textboard ;_;
Tor is probably compromised at this point. If you absolutely need to communicate anonymously, I would reccomend just using shortwave radio. Just a regular whip antenna gets a surprisingly strong signal.
have some Gary Mckinnon information documents, that he got from marianas web, or, the goverment servers ?
there are some links, maybe usefull
Torch - Tor Search Engine. Claims to index around 1.1 Million pages.
Grams - Search Darknet Markets and more.
All the recent developments are atleast very very frightening.
Anyway, powers who are surveiling the net don't actually need to compromise Tor, when they already watch source AND destination of the traffic, which the NSA is doing already(they are recording likely 99% of all traffic at this point). So Tor is by definition already useless to NSA. Only full system encrypted Nets like I2P or Freenet are fine, but there, the source/destination system can be compromised, especially since it's using back-/bugdoored Javashit.
Short: We have lost, badly.
We Will Rise
We Are Here
We do not choose to be attracted to children, and we cannot make that attraction go away. But we can resist the temptation to abuse children sexually, and many of us present no danger to children whatsoever. Yet we are despised for having a sexual attraction that we did not choose, cannot change, and successfully resist.
Your post reads like something a teenager would write
I have a tendency to disassociate the child from the body. To be honest, I find children to be quite obnoxious.
They need help
When talking of otaku culture and its various offshoots, we should probably be drawing a line between true pedophiles and lolicons, who very likely have no interest in real children.
The only websites I browse anymore are 4-ch and 4chan. And I don't even go to 4chan for discussion anymore, as I just look at the pictures. I also read articles on wikipedia, youtube for songs, watch porn, and google for movies and anime (mostly movies) I might watch. Lastly I talk to people on omegle to waste my time, because our discussion never gets anywhere. That's ALL I do on the internet. I don't ever do anything else, since, 2 years now, and I use my computer like 5 hours a day.
I don't even do anything different than I did 5 years ago. It's always been the same shit. 4chan, alternate imageboards, pixiv, animebytes, archives of /a/ and /jp/, futaba, and youtube. I think I'm going to take a break from the internet, actually. It feels like I've been going through the motions with no real purpose for a while now, getting away from it for a few months should help make things seem somewhat interesting again.
4ch is no longer that funny or enjoyable to me. I used to browse only this site for a long time when I was in high school, but coming back it doesn't feel the same although I know that it is me who changed.
I'm going to reply not specifically to you but to the sort of thing this post can represent. I disagree with the whole premise of the "growing out of the Internet" trope. If anything the Internet will be more prevalent in your life in the future regardless of your browsing habits simply due to technological integration. I hardly ever post here anymore for a variety of reasons but what has changed is not me, nor is it the Internet, or the content on this site, but that it is not presently able to add any novelty or value to my life. Things are stale mostly because the only people who have any cause to visit a site like this are either former or present users with ossified posting habits or inappropriately reverent newcomers who still hold stock in the smug seniority principle. The confluence of these two factors make these boards living museums and things are done a certain way out of inertia rather than any sort of utility. Don't confuse your own dissatisfaction with a systemic flaw in the Internet as a whole.
I agree with your general sentiment, but I really don't know how you can say there is no systemic flaw in the internet. The modern internet is a cold, overpopulated, stagnant, commercialized husk of shit. It has become a reflection of the real world.
Is the systemic flaw really in the internet itself or the way it's being used though?
All human endeavors are imperfect stemming from the fact that humans are defined by their imperfection so there's that angle that the internet could be flawed from the very beginning. I really think it's more of how it's being developed now though: https://medium.com/swlh/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3#.s02jq6eqr. The direction it's accelerating towards is one of trite exploitation.
Thank you. God that trope is obnoxious.
This, combined with "Think of me as Evil" [ http://assets.wwf.org.uk/downloads/think_of_me_as_evil.pdf ] makes me despair for the state of the world.
You can't close Pandora's box, we're stuck with this. There are huge economic incentives to keep it going and most of the general public don't want to stop it. The power to change the world lies in the hands of marketers and companies encouraging people to buy buy buy. This of course creates perverse incentives to destroy privacy. The more they know about you, the more accurately they can sell to you. With no public outcry ("I don't care that Google knows what porn I watch") no regulation will ever be put in place, doubly so when any country to do so would come under fire thanks to the interconnected nature of modern economies.
I feel like an old Bolshevik awaiting his show-trial. The utopian dreams of what a global computer network could do for human understanding and relationships hijacked by marketers to encourage you to mass upload worthless photographs so that friends you've not spoken to in years who live in your own city can ignore them. It's as though the entire point of social interaction has been missed.
Combine this with all the terrible UI decisions in that article [endemic in modern UI design, even for desktop operating systems.] leaving this nightmare inescapable even if I don't use social media sites (In a fun case of misfortune turned fortune, my often bleak worldview tends to make most attempts at faux-niceness/obligated reciprocation fall flat because I'm already subconsciously seeking excuses to reject validation.) and the future becomes very upsetting indeed.
Well that was depressing. Also more or less summed up my thoughts quite accurately. The internet started out with much promise and hope, a giant network that could let people access the sum of human knowledge and improve themselves. Now look at it. The revolution has gone awry and there's nothing we can do except sit in a cafe and sip our Victory Gin.
I sold you and you sold me, under the spreading chestnut tree...