Yeah, I sympathize with these guys to a point, but part of growing up is growing out of your shell, not caring what others think, standing up for yourself. They have to find value within themselves, not from how others percieve them. Only THEN - when you see the true value in yourself and you display your confidence - will people finally take serious notice of you.

Hell, I walk all over some shy people, just because they have to learn. I'm not mean, but when they leave a decision up to me, even if I know they'd prefer one way, I'll take the other.

Anyway, I'm going to leave this - I'll just start ranting.