You know what I realized? (29)

1 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 18:06 ID:pma2Dg60

This is all just a game. You fuck her, you win. You don't fuck her, you lose. There's no trust or loyalty in any of this. All people are concerned about is getting themselves off. As long as they are satisfied in the pants, everything is a-o-fucking-kay. Everything is fucking fine. It doesn't matter how many times you've stood by her, it doesn't matter how long you've been good to her, the only thing that matters is physical attraction. She will leave you in two seconds flat for another person who she thinks is "hot." Everything you do doesn't amount to shit. Being nice doesn't amount to shit. What matters is how well you are able to make her fucking eyes roll back and scream your name. What matters is how well you are able to make things "interesting" by being a complete and total asshole to her. Don't be fooled by women that say they want a nice guy, they don't. I hate being an asshole. I hate being a dick always asking for sex. But you know what? I have to be, otherwise they will proceed to walk all over you.

That's what I realized. I don't mean to be so bitter in /Romance/, but I'm just stating truth.

2 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 18:22 ID:yrLN+0ue

Yeah there might be some truth in there dawg.

3 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 18:36 ID:gg86UsbG

That's perfectly fine, being bitter here... Many of us are, and though we do come to our better senses later, it's good to let loose some of that rage, once in a while...

I gather someone betrayed you, and while you were proper, courtly and patient with them, they found someone else who was a jerk, and obviously got physical with them as well, while you played the gentleman and got walked over...

Many of us have that same hate, disgust, and bitterness growing in our hearts.. I know in my own case, I've been feeling it growing for months now...

I'm one of the "nice guys", too, and am gradually realizing that nice guys do finish last, and that only jerks & assholes who think with their dicks get girls in this world...

4 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 19:32 ID:Tz2i9GzE


5 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 22:36 ID:S6Ke9Bvz

I'm somewhat of a nice guy when it comes to dealing with women, I know that nice guys finish last. But to be honest I don't care if it means I'll never get a girlfriend then that's fine with me. I just can't find it in my heart to act like a jerk just to get some pussy.

6 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 22:56 ID:xFjXGJav

>>3 here
In my case, it's not even the "pussy" that I'm trying to get, it's a real, loving, relationship... Nice guys can't even seem to get that...

And it just seems like unless you're a shallow, dirty jerk, you don't get anything...

I'm still trying, but even my hope has it's limits, and it's been closer & closer lately, which is why I can understand the OP's rage at realizing it, because I've felt the same way...

7 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 23:03 ID:BtvemJ3J

>>5 I agree with you, acting like a jerk doesn't help,

They are alot of beautiful women in this world, who like nice guys like us, yes some of us will and already have bad experiences because we choose the wrong type of girl.

Have you feelings of disgust, hatred and bitterness really does not help because you're becoming an asshole, not the kind asshole that thinks with his dick, the asshole this isolate himself from society,
I personally consider myself one of the nicest guys that anybody will ever meet, but if I started thinking like that, then I would not consider myself a nice guy,

Nice guys finish last lol are you all serious, I suppose there's some truth in that in some cases,

8 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-05 23:22 ID:aE0QvIKp


I still believe in love. I believe in love for family, friends, and for the people of the world.

I do not, however, believe in romantic love. It's all a stupid construct and a delusion. After have 3 girlfriends and 10 sexual partners, and yet also being rejected, abandoned, and forsaken countless times, I have become convinced that romantic love is a lie that must be destroyed. Now I want to do is fuck. I feel nothing. You hear me? Nothing.

9 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-06 10:34 ID:SOFvjp3X

It's not about being a jerk that attracts a girl; it's about showing that you're strong enough to stand up for yourself and not get walked all over. If you can't stand up for yourself to keep yourself happy, then what chance do you have of making them happy? That's the way I think it works.

10 Name: Nice Guy : 2007-10-06 11:00 ID:wdKjrZLZ

waaaaaai, you guys (° Д °)

I know where the "Nice guys never finish last" thing comes from.

I'm a Nice Guy, and I believed that "fact" for the longest time. And that seriously affected my view on people, relationships and everything around me.

I became a bitter son of a bitch for almost a year. Hated all relationships, hated everyone around me, hated on anything and everything.

But it didn't make me happy at all.

I'm a Nice Guy again now, after a few years ;p
And my track with women isn't too bad at all.

"This is all just a game. You fuck her, you win. You don't fuck her, you lose. There's no trust or loyalty in any of this. All people are concerned about is getting themselves off. As long as they are satisfied in the pants, everything is a-o-fucking-kay."

It's kind of true for a lot of people, especially for us young folk~ But if you're looking for that serious, committed relationship, then fuck the rest, huh?

I try to live my life as ideal as I can. I will not do something that I would hope someone else would not do. I'll never cheat on my girl, or hurt her in any way I can prevent. If she ends up hurting me, then it fuckin sucks, but the sun rises again tomorrow.

Living as your own ideal will lead you in the right direction, despite the hard journey. I don't believe the universe is that cruel to fuck someone so bad, you gotta have hope dude.

11 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-06 11:53 ID:8C0RfRw1

I suppose if you're butt-ugly, you don't really have a choice of choosing to be a nice guy or not. If you're nice, girls will tolerate you, and put you in the friend boat. If you're not, well, say hello to hikki life.

Also, there's a difference between personality, and just being plain old nice. The "nice guys" that type these whinge posts are often the ones who expect to get sex/affection by just simply being nice to a girl. Anyone can be nice. What a girl wants is personality. Personality in the sense that one is sure of who they are, and possesses self confidence. Which is what most self titled "nice guys" lack.

Assholes/egotistical/jerk-ass guys often have the two above things.

  1. Attractive/Slightly better than average looks: Often leads to big ego.
  2. Their self confidence/ego attracts girls: Same old argument, natural attraction to a male who can provide her with security.

12 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-06 14:03 ID:/b5Vgt59

If it were just that it would be bizarre, because there is no direct correspondence between attractiveness and ability to provide security.

13 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-06 18:19 ID:KIMsiMsw

why do we put ourself down? we are just as good as these Assholes/egotistical/jackass, just cuz we are not confident, have a ego, to be trueful we are better then these asshole, the only thing we need is confidences.

14 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-07 15:09 ID:B34E/Xc7

I think people are misunderstanding. I HAVE confidence. That's not the problem. The problem is when you actually try to treat a girl right and in response they feel a need to take advantage of that. I'm just going to take a break from the dating game for awhile. It's pissing me off.

15 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-07 17:16 ID:+Q5gO/eB


It sounds like you "nice guys" are trying to get with the wrong kind of girl. Girls that want relationships aren't the kind of girls that just want a good fuck. Try finding girls who don't put out on the third date...

As far as I can tell, if girl =/= slut, then girl = possible relationship. The girls that are in "relationships" with good-looking assholes aren't the kind that are going to settle down and marry/be with you forever. They're just looking for good times. Try looking for someone who's mature and slightly intelligent.

16 Name: 43 : 2007-10-07 22:27 ID:AMSIF2HM


Alright, so where to find this hypothetical girl you're talking about?

17 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-08 04:52 ID:fFaX0aY1

>Try looking for someone who's mature and slightly intelligent.

ahaha, good one. It's not like you can see "maturity" and "intelligence" just by physically looking at girls, you have to get to know each one to tell that.

obviously the internet makes this easier, but e-dating usually has low chances of success.

18 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-08 08:54 ID:8C0RfRw1

Confidence => projects secure person
Attractive men => get their confidence from their looks

Perhaps you are being too nice? I see so many guys that bend over backwards to help a girl. If you're being nice just to get into her pants then you're doing it wrong. Being a girl, I know what guys really want when they're a bit too nice to me. Most girls in that situation would just play dumb, and take advantage of you. They will see you as a useful pet that can help them with their homework from time to time. I am very attracted to nice guys. But the ones I'm attracted to aren't pushovers, they treat pretty much everyone equally (not overtly paying me extra care), but they are polite and will do little favours if it's not in their way.
In short: Being too nice, which the problem of "nice guys", projects a very needy image.

19 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-08 10:47 ID:NQGQ3pPQ

Oh man, glad you said it.You can't treat a woman like shes your master,gotta treat her like your equal. or rather, just like you treat most other people. because if you go out of your way too much to do things for them,they take advantage and lose respect for you.

did the whole "do every thing for the girl" thing w/ first girlfriend...ugh. what a bitch. i put in 100% she put in 0. glad its over.learned my lesson

20 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-08 11:57 ID:XNB8G2ce

Try the other way buddy. Fuck men, they suck. All they want is pussy. I want a man who cares about me, the way I care about him. Yeah sure, you get the pleasure from a fuck buddy, but a fuck doesn't remember your birthday, your favourite colour, or looks after you when your sick. A fuck doesn't say "I love you" truthfully.

As much as hump and dump makes you feel good sexually, in the end, especially if you ARE a nice guy, you will just feel hollow inside.

I'm sorry for the way the anonymous chick hurt you. We're not all like that. In fact if I could find her for her, I'd rips her eyes out. Girls like that give girls with good intentions the absolute shits.

21 Name: 13 : 2007-10-08 18:34 ID:+Q5gO/eB


Yeah, you have to get to know a girl to know whether or not she's worthwhile... Same goes for guys... That part's obvious. You shouldn't get hurt by a relationship unless you actually KNOW the other person, though. Or are you the type who falls in love at first glance? That kind of person will always be hurt, because you can never know someone's personality and intentions at first glance.

22 Name: 18 : 2007-10-08 18:35 ID:Heaven


I meant to put "18" there for my name... Sorry... ^_^;;

23 Name: 43 : 2007-10-08 21:21 ID:IvQQKcxK


Then aren't we both on the same boat? The assholes give us males the bad reputation that stains us all.

24 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-09 11:12 ID:8C0RfRw1


Uh. You aren't >>18, I am.
I don't mind, but it does annoy me that you're trying to impersonate me with that sickly sweet face.

25 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-09 11:46 ID:3Cv80m/A


Never thought about it quite in that way... thanks for the tip!

I'm not the OP, just some random anon.

26 Name: i can't count : 2007-10-09 12:55 ID:Heaven

15!!! I'm 15!!!! I need to stop smoking crack and calling myself other numbers!!! ORZ

27 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-10 12:17 ID:8u5V4IfG


Pretty much. But it made a point didn't it? Both sides get burned from the fuck faces. You just have to pick yourself up again and try to find the right one.

28 Name: Default : 2007-10-22 21:00 ID:+uzt29V7

someone you liked got banged by a jock, huh? Ouch. I've been there before.

29 Name: Secret Admirer : 2007-10-23 13:02 ID:Heaven

>I'm trying to get, it's a real, loving, relationship... Nice guys can't even seem to get that...

Nice guy here. Engaged with a wonderful cute girl who's very devoted. Been with her for three years, first girl I've seriously dated and I'm the second one she's ever dated. Stop trying to date shallow trendwhores and start dating chicks who tickle your mind as well as your boner.

>The "nice guys" that type these whinge posts are often the ones who expect to get sex/affection by just simply being nice to a girl.

This rings too true. A lot of the chicks at my uni find the attitude offensive: I'm nice to you so now you owe me! Nevermind that curtesy, honesty and being polite should be standard basic male behavior according to chicks, and everything else on top of that the attractive personality.
I've been repeatedly vented at that being treated like a potential girlfriend on first contact at neutral ground, instead of like a fellow human being, is quite a turnoff. There's a time and place for everything, including flirting.

>What a girl wants is personality.

See above. Very yes. Assholes just tend to skimp on being nice, because their other traits overshadow the lack of decency until it's too late. Don't forget all the chicks raised with Stockholm syndrome for abusive guys, too.

>Personality in the sense that one is sure of who they are, and possesses self confidence.

I'm not that sure of who I am, and I'm confident in some fields, others not. I'm passionate about some things, my girl's said she finds that very attractive, among other things. She's also stated she couldn't date anyone without a sense of humor. She loves my humor, although she hates it when I make fun of myself. Or "belittle" myself, as she calls it. We have a lot of interests and values in common, which is what you should go for. A chick who not only looks good and is fun in bed, but also is a good intellectual match.

I am aware of that my girl is no more an accurate representative of the females on this planet than I the males, but we're no freak exceptions so it's relevant.

>Try finding girls who don't put out on the third date...

Just remember, girl who puts out for you on the third date != girl who puts out for any guy on the third date
Mine dumped her ex because he turned into a jerk after a few months.

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