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Should Mp3 be dead? (14)

1 Name: ♪ ☆ Unpopular Popstar ☆ ♪ 05/01/30(Sun)11:40 ID:Heaven

MPEG Audio Layer 3 has been lurking around the internet since 1995, and now with disk sizes increasing and the cost per Gb for Harddrives getting cheaper all the time, is it time that we ditched mp3's, or infact lossy audio and move to another format?

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2 Name: !WAHa.06x36 05/01/30(Sun)12:21 ID:pGpln/eA

Here's something I've been wondering for some time, but been too lazy to find out: Most lossless audio formats encode the data for each frame by first making a rouch approximation of the waveform, and then compressing the difference between the approximation and the real data. What occurs to me is, why not use MP3 for the approximation instead of a much simpler model? I suppose it would be easy enough to find out if there's any point in doing this...

3 Name: ♪ ☆ Unpopular Popstar ☆ ♪ 05/01/30(Sun)13:37 ID:Heaven


Thats what OGG is suppose to do. But the other main catch with no one leaving mp3 is that little mp3 players out there support anything else.

4 Name: Ghost Freeman!sQpy7tj9Xg 05/02/15(Tue)18:31 ID:gl4r2z2T

MP3 is a format everyone knows, and everyone supports.

It would be nice to think that OGG could slowly phase it out, but it won't happen soon.

5 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 05/02/16(Wed)01:05 ID:iT3Pe7wK

OGG has some catching up to do with MP3 at high bitrates, at least when comparing stock Vorbis 1.1 vs Lame --alt-preset-standard. There's the aoTuV b3 modification, but I believe it still loses to --aps.

Then there's that dark horse, MPC. Held huge promise, but seems to have vanished into the cracks. Development has started up again, but at this point it seems to have permanently lost momentum.

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6 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 05/02/16(Wed)05:06 ID:iT3Pe7wK

BTW, at low bitrates, I've been very impressed by AAC+. switched to AAC+ for 24kbps a short while ago, and MP3 just cannot compete at all at those bitrates.

Very impressive.

7 Name: ♪ ☆ Unpopular Popstar ☆ ♪ 05/02/17(Thu)05:19 ID:kDzN84rH

IMO, Vorbis aoTuV b3 is also useful for 24kbps at 22kHz or so.

8 Name: cyrilthefish!ljAhqzG3aU 05/02/18(Fri)13:46 ID:CtHPv5cy

i <3 OGG vorbis

even at 64k it can give a 128k mp3 a run for it's money quality-wise :D

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9 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 05/02/18(Fri)23:29 ID:K9aNn2xq

>>at 64k it cannot give a 128k mp3 a run for it's money quality-wise


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10 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 05/02/18(Fri)23:39 ID:K9aNn2xq

On second thought, it depends on your music collection. It's highly unlikely though, even with aoTuV goodness. 80 or 96kbps Vorbis roughly matching 128kbps MP3 is more likely.

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12 Name: ♪ ☆ Anonymous Popstar ☆ ♪ : 2007-05-17 12:32 ID:Heaven

>Now with lossless compression becoming better, and the cost per Gb for disk space getting cheaper everyday, HDD's getting large sizes and faster, why are we all still stuck with lossy audio in a format that is now a decade old?
> Why is it just audiophiles who move to FLACE, APE and ALE?
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13 Name: ♪ ☆ Anonymous Popstar ☆ ♪ : 2007-05-17 14:26 ID:ADghejcA

What would really help it out would be if what is commonly known as "MP3 Players" started supporting ogg-vorbis. I was given an mp3 player a while ago and it was rediculously annoying how it can't play ogg files. A lot of my favorite albums on my computer (that I actually own), I ripped to ogg. Now I would have to re-rip them to mp3 just to put them on the player... which would take a lot of time and be pretty tedious.

14 Name: ♪ ☆ Anonymous Popstar ☆ ♪ : 2007-05-19 05:26 ID:Heaven

>>13 many of them do, you just have to look for that when buying.