Internet Culture @4-ch

Internet Culture @4-ch

Internet Culture, sub-cultures, the people who use the internet and everything else relating to is up for discussing. Let's try to talk about more than just imageboard websites, as there is more to the internet than just them.
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基本的には英語の使用を強く希望します。ただ日本語板の場合は日本語か英語。
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1: yikes (9) 2: When is a community "dead" (10) 3: GET THE INTERNET OUT OF THE REAL WORLD (82) 4: IRC: why did it fail? (96) 5: What's your least favorite website (15) 6: sadpanda (4) 7: Image board on here is broken (2) 8: Websites marking mp4's as gifs (3) 9: Next Big Internet Thing (67) 10: Why 2ch is so cool; we need equivalent! (39) 11: AnimeUSA 2004 4chan Panel (4) 12: Good places on the internet. (84) 13: [NEXT BIG THING] Altboards? [INNOVATIONS IN INSULTING PEOPLE ONLINE] (9) 14: How to start a great new lively textboard bbs? (19) 15: Other similar boards? (6) 16: Decreasing usability on the web (24) 17: The intetrnet is yours (31) 18: Social Network of your choice. (60) 19: Bienvenido a Internet BBS with Google Translate (3) 20: Tell me about the Scene (14) 21: Japanese Net Culture (36) 22: The *chans and people there (7) 23: The Creation of Memes (17) 24: What is what is this I don't even I don't even (21) 25: Newfags, Tripfags, and Imageboard Conformity (22) 26: late 2000s non-web internet communies (3) 27: Eternal September (15) 28: End of cool japan (18) 29: 2chan isn't very good... (20) 30: Virtual Reality (but almost real) (28) 31: 4chan BBS (27) 32: Anyone willing to part with a Nevada-tan hoodie? (24) 33: Soviet Websites [.su] (4) 34: What OS are you using? (160) 35: Yukkuri shite itte ne! (18) 36: Paradigm shift ιδέα (4) 37: [Internet News]2ch got Renamed?[Textboards][2ch] (5) 38: [RIP] Dead text/imageboards [IN MEMORIAM] (41) 39: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN http://fart.ga/ !! (4) 40: Citizendium (9)

yikes (9)

1 Name: hi : 2019-02-19 04:03 ID:/vDXU0YF

this place is ooold

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-22 23:06 ID:Heaven

No, you're just too young.

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-05-26 02:39 ID:TENKljV0

This is a good place.

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-10 00:39 ID:Heaven

no it's not

5 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-12 09:30 ID:k1VuehoF

This is the best of places.

6 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-06 10:34 ID:ucBxGdJw

One of the few places that feels familiar.

Practically everything else is alien.

7 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-20 09:56 ID:E7Pnre+V

This is a place.

8 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-20 22:43 ID:h86KCcwy

good place

9 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-21 02:28 ID:1rJy7n2E

the good place

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When is a community "dead" (10)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-02-10 17:51 ID:vzXIJ3MU

I've always had trouble defineing the difference between a website that is slow like 4-ch or tgchan, and a website that is dead like 99chan or 7chan

I feel like the unity of the community has a lot to do with it. 4-ch has a "core" group of dedicated users as well as a style of posting that is specific to itself. The threads all feel like they're a part of something greater; as if they were all connected in some way

7chan, whilst it gets more traffic, has no core userbase that consistently returns to it. All of the threads exist in a vacuum, and there's no specific flavor to the content

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-02-21 12:21 ID:DZrv+/qe

Pretty much any web site that's not one of the top 10 is "dead" by the standards of the modern web. This is because everything is considered to be in a constant state of ongoing development and updating, meaning if something isn't growing then there's a problem. This leads to people demanding daily uploads and constant validation, who of course means that to stay up-to-date with goings-on becomes almost a full time job. The idea that you'd only connect to the internet briefly has died, and a computer that doesn't have an internet connection is almost considered half a device these days.

This seems like a tangent, but I think it goes a long way towards answering whether something is dead or not because it demands that standards be set. I'm a "new" user to this site, having only been browsing and posting for about a month, but I have taken to its slower pace and that I don't need to check back in (even at a mental level) every hour.

I think such a usage of the web leads to the best experience for the user in the long-term even if its not as exciting in the short-term.

So I think the question shouldn't really be "is this (or any other) site dead?" and more "should it be like a site that's 'alive' at all?"

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-09 05:32 ID:nyqJjpeF

>>2
I don't think these are reasonable critiques of OP. 7chan, while more active than a site like sekai yon chan is absolutely "dead". What OP identified, I believe, could be better stated as complexity and engagement. It is not entirely requisite that an insular group of posters exist, but it is necessary that their exists some sort of mutual understanding. In a space where everyone is coming and going and there's nothing guiding the discussion the discourse never progresses beyond shallow formalities.

A community, I propose, is dead when new users cannot be added or make substantive contributions.

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-28 05:06 ID:7Ly+5IyA

>>3
more like when the old users push newcomers away
then blame the new people rather than admit that they're too deeply ingrained in their old ways and it's off-putting to people who aren't in on all the numerous dumb in-jokes and bizarre expectations

why is this site dying?'' mixed with fuck off, newfag''

adapt or die

5 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-28 05:06 ID:7Ly+5IyA

I meant: "why is this site dying?" mixed with "fuck off, newfag"

I keep forgetting that this particular textboard has fucked up markup

I'm still thinking in terms of world4ch/tinychan

6 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-28 05:50 ID:Heaven

>>5
You can set no markup

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8 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-05-30 00:41 ID:DAXaXL8M

This is why chatting like Telegram, IRC, and Discord is so much more popular. It is easier to tell if it is dead or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoonEdit

9 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-06 12:11 ID:1jB3Z7b4

>>1
I think you had a pretty good handle on a definition in your OP.

The separation occurs between a [dead community] and a [dead website]. They are very different things. You can have an incredibly active website that has less of a community than Facebook. Or a very slow website like 4-ch that has a cohesive flavor and is used by pretty much the same people, or type of people, for decades. The relationships dividing them are simple mathematics.

10 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-20 09:54 ID:LynJYcKk

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GET THE INTERNET OUT OF THE REAL WORLD (82)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2007-12-30 05:10 ID:kZAlYyKU

ITT discussion of people who use memes, jokes, or lingo in the real world. If I hear one more person say "lawl" in real life I think I am going to die

73 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-17 08:24 ID:JgYG9lko

74 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-22 04:32 ID:XF3mdVci

12 years later. still relevant

75 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-26 00:42 ID:wVLP3q0I

>>67
Great book, thanks for recommending it. It's more relevant than ever, and the issue is only going to get worse as we all go headfirst into it all.

76 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-26 04:21 ID:V/jfrZWO

Man, this thread makes me miss when the internet was simpler, when there weren't as many dark forests that everyone retreated into and it all seemed more fun.

77 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-30 19:52 ID:rk8Ne12F

>>76
The problem with the modern net is that people see it as a legitimate platform. Back in the day people posted whatever they wanted without any fear or ambitions because they knew that nobody in the real world would ever see it. Nowadays, the internet and the real world are joined at the hip. Posting that you want to kill all the jews is no longer just you venting in the virtual world, it's a very real political statement.

78 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-23 18:55 ID:314L29yK

>>77
It's only a srs bsns political statement because idiots take the internet seriously. We all need to find a way to re-frontier the World Wide Web or we're all going to see nothing but deranged posts and endless bad content.

79 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-06 12:23 ID:b3Y7OeBe

>>74
I posted in this thread twelve years ago.

Reflecting on the way things have gone since then, I am left wondering where to begin. The culture is so different now that I don't think anyone at all minds anymore when someone uses memespeak in public other than thinking them to be immature.

As for me... didn't do it then, don't do it now.

80 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-11 23:48 ID:Heaven

No John, internet is the real world

81 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-15 16:23 ID:oiEYoupa

This thread is far more relevant as ever tbh

82 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-18 15:39 ID:2FejbMqo

it was foretold

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IRC: why did it fail? (96)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2006-04-06 01:14 ID:6ppXr5qs

It's widely banned for its tendency to be a DDoS lightningrod, and only slightly less infamous for its impenetrable cliques of time-wasting losers. Was IRC just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or is the protocol responsible for its own failure? And how could we do better?

Discuss!

87 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-05-30 04:54 ID:7MljuVQr

>>86
It's not.

88 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-05-30 13:16 ID:fEJUKcNu

>>85
it is a horrible clique.

89 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-06-30 04:55 ID:Heaven

>>88
I was going to say, if that's what "live IRC" looks like, I want no part of it.

90 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-09-17 22:40 ID:Heaven

Remember when people complained about IRC instead of Discord?

sips monster

91 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-04 00:54 ID:kyNhT+mO

>>90

>sips monster

Will you be my ana buddy?

92 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-10 03:50 ID:SPr6mqpz

IRC failed because nobody remembers how to read anymore. Books are dead too.
I am going to see if IRC works over i2p now.

93 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-06 23:36 ID:LiTfwJi7

IRC let lives, IRC always lives.

94 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-14 23:39 ID:6WCTbVUs

>>92

Books ain't dead. ebooks may be digital but they still are books.

95 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-19 06:40 ID:HcRIxCr8

A major part of is it that the original IRC protocol doesn't do well in a world where most connections are ephemeral (smartphones, laptops). No one wants to run a persistent bouncer session just to view past messages. Other lesser things are that the original protocol doesn't handle rich media formats gracefully, so things such as images require nonstandard extensions.

There's also a concerted efforts by companies to favor their own walled-garden platforms over open interconnects (slack used to supprot irc but no longer, google used to support xmpp/gchat interconnect but no longer) so development on irc is practically frozen as no one's going to bother fleshing out and implementing the ircv3 standard.

The closest thing to a modern irc is the matrix protocol, but last time I tried it was really janky compared to irc. Plus development on that is spearheaded almost entirely by one company and I'm not sure there are even any alternate server implementations.

96 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-07 16:53 ID:/PcUNUqE

deltachat but for IRC when.

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What's your least favorite website (15)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-04-04 02:49 ID:yAJllslA

What site do you hate the most? What site looks the worst, doesn't work, or just has fallen in quality over the years?

6 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-05 23:27 ID:51Lfk6Xw

tineye because I found it useful but they suddenly switched to forcing you to use google REEcaptcha

7 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-06 03:00 ID:tMM6pGiy

>>5
Great argument.

8 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-09 16:19 ID:PvZC3VjA

>>4
I will second this and add that it's maddening that a lot of Japanese artists use twitter as their primary distribution platform, when almost everything about its interface and structure makes it incredibly difficult to browse, search and save images (and simultaneously easy to miss and overlook things due to the timeline system). Its only redeeming feature as an art-sharing platform is high exposure, which unfortunately gets more and more important as the internet population becomes more centralized.

9 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-11 16:33 ID:s5Kmsle/

>>8
And it's even worse now with the new layout.

10 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-20 00:27 ID:RKaXkgkx

pixiv
reddit

11 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-20 01:54 ID:m3KmW2xN

>>10
Why pixiv? Aside from the requirement to sign up to view anything, it seems to fulfill the purpose of artwork sharing pretty well.

12 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-21 07:07 ID:mPpRUWsg

>>11
It locks basic searching functionality behind a paid subscription instead of just running off ad revenue like every other decent website.

Also, while this is more the community's fault than the website's, people there are garbage at tagging.

13 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-24 04:37 ID:scalV+Pi

Reddit
Google (and all the shit it owns
Twitter
Snapchat
Facebook
Instagram
4chan

14 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-01 06:46 ID:jy5+itMS

>>13
What are 4chan alternatives

15 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-03 13:30 ID:PvZC3VjA

>>12
It only locks sort-by-popular and maybe some other sorting options, right? Annoying if you just want to find a few nice pics, but not really an issue if you like to dive deep into the search results. I haven't had many issues with the tagging either, I would say it's more consistent and elaborate than some other communities like DA. Plus, I can't think of another picture-sharing site that makes it so easy to download original files; almost every other site nowadays uses all kinds of tricks to try and prevent you for some reason (why is that?). As far as I'm concerned there's never been a popular art sharing site as good as pixiv.

My only real problem with pixiv is that the recent UI update made it much harder to view an individual artist's tags. I miss when there was a specific page with a whole list of them.

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sadpanda (4)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-29 15:38 ID:oxVMhGg7

What are you guys's thoughts on its demise?

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-02 06:35 ID:T7OPkBpI

Time to buy more hard drives and move to finland

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-08 20:07 ID:Heaven

it's back lol

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-23 01:03 ID:nQm3RRQM

anime butts drive me nuts

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Image board on here is broken (2)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-28 23:20 ID:d7CG5ckO

Somebody fix it: http://4-ch.net/img/

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-29 22:15 ID:Heaven

It got shut down due to spam. Ask in Requests next time for any site feedback.

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Websites marking mp4's as gifs (3)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-06 22:16 ID:tf9oKRFh

Why is it such common trend for websites to supply a collection of "gifs" that are actually just silent videos on repeat? Shit like tenor, giphy's gifv format, among other things. Why do they bother? All it does it make the user more inconvenienced when finding what they want. Why not just say what it is?
Whenever I'm looking for something now I instinctively ignore sites like gfycat because they've only given out pseudo-gifs for so long. It's annoying.

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-07 09:22 ID:zGdFLI77

GIF compression is horrible and so is the quality (mainly due to the 256 color limitation.)

But if you prefer downloading 10mb of data to watch a video that looks like an PlayStation game FMV from 1995, good for you.

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-18 23:43 ID:hMdEs8gy

>>2
aPNG is a thing but they probably stick with the mp4s for more browser compatibility

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Next Big Internet Thing (67)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2008-01-29 03:51 ID:YO+RcM1H

In 2002 Something Awful was the place to be. Next came YTMND, and from 2003-2006 4-chan was the greatest thing ever. So what do you think is next?

It's unlikely, but if 4-ch were to suddenly explode in popularity I wouldn't be too surprised.

58 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-12-17 04:22 ID:bpAFfCNf

59 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-01-06 07:23 ID:MKBGld1q

The centralization of the internet to a few websites.

60 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-01-07 02:47 ID:BqWA9rPB

I know it might be retarded to say this about Internet culture, but I highly recommend you guys read Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West". Although he can get a bit autistic with pseudo-metaphysics, his main ideas are on point, but the Internet is recent and clear evidence that his historical model can apply to even subcultures AS LONG AS there is a higher-ideal(s) and enough stimuli and people to participate. (Despite that, if you want a long-lasting culture, religion IS necessary. Materialism does not a culture make.)

61 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-02 13:31 ID:RJN6IwL1

>AS LONG AS there is a higher-ideal

looks like we're fucked

62 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-04 00:31 ID:DhHm+SbP

>>60
Religion is a materialism. Naturalism forever.

63 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-03 22:00 ID:BWGcfoAf

>>58

I liked using reddit back in 2017, but it's been getting worse and worse.

I think it peaked at r/place.

64 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-15 13:44 ID:yKJRVRp2

next big internet is livestream hardcore henry

65 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-18 08:50 ID:Y0hU5cTa

I was playing uplink the other and then i found out it has an IRC client in it. I think that's gonna be big

66 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-05-26 02:39 ID:ZqhUWTlT

For my circle it's telegram, but the circle is kinda bubbled up for my tastes. I mean you don't have that sense of exploration you had.

67 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-26 14:25 ID:2+4hrk96

>>66
I think that's the problem of the contemporary internet, people circle the wagons and retreat into places they think they can express themselves. That's why I'm here at least lol

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Why 2ch is so cool; we need equivalent! (39)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2009-06-27 00:31 ID:6lgt+i8a

they have so many boards...

  Earthquakes
Must See
Special Projects
Beta
News
World Affairs
Information
Administration
Liasons
JIS Art
Society
Business
Underground
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30 Name: tokiko!5yOaZrqx.c : 2016-05-17 00:39 ID:hBI6AL6w

I suck dicks

31 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2016-05-30 04:48 ID:4CeJR/Mm

>>29
This isn't true you know. Is being unable to separate your own dissatisfaction with something and its popularity really so ubiquitous in these parts? The only thing that I would agree is moribund is the western aping of 00s otaku culture.

32 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2016-08-31 04:33 ID:Heaven

I love the low post-rate of a lot of these sites. Independently, they sort of make up what resembles and could be comparable in the English to what would only be 2ch. The reason they're worth using is because they are strictly unlinked (for the most part) - this non-centralization aspect to these sort of places fosters a great amosphere for higher-quality posts, which of course is aided by the lower post rates, which is kept that way because the types of people using them can only be the kind of people who will spend time on these places for a while to begin with. Things are intrinsically not green, while at the same time keeping overgrowth slow. The way it is now is an ideal environment for the reasons why I at least still use these places. In this respect, we've already reached a "bitter end" - which in our case actually tastes pretty sweet

33 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-04-16 20:31 ID:tH79p+y+

What is the point of a text board when books and e-mail exist?

34 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-05-09 19:53 ID:A9/uhquP

shitposting is fun and has some semblance of social interaction

35 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-06-20 02:44 ID:Btkd+sOW

Reddit has many subforums. In fact, users can create their own subforums.

36 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-05-30 01:03 ID:+fiHUCb+

>>35
While I do enjoy Reddit, I am trying to switch to Raddle.me .

37 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-29 10:44 ID:RKSrfKKk

jjokbari shit die in a fire

38 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-04-01 01:49 ID:Au56Y4+N

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39 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-05-11 13:33 ID:sl2f7HMj

2ch is dead, long live 5ch.

From one CIA coverup to another, so the Japanese Gov can legally spy over it's citizens with help by US.

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