Internet Culture @4-ch

Internet Culture @4-ch

Internet Culture, sub-cultures, the people who use the internet and everything else relating to is up for discussing. Let's try to talk about more than just imageboard websites, as there is more to the internet than just them.
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基本的には英語の使用を強く希望します。ただ日本語板の場合は日本語か英語。
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1: Protocols (4) 2: Next Big Internet Thing (73) 3: What's your least favorite website (20) 4: Websites marking mp4's as gifs (4) 5: When is a community "dead" (11) 6: yikes (9) 7: GET THE INTERNET OUT OF THE REAL WORLD (82) 8: IRC: why did it fail? (96) 9: sadpanda (4) 10: Image board on here is broken (2) 11: Why 2ch is so cool; we need equivalent! (39) 12: AnimeUSA 2004 4chan Panel (4) 13: Good places on the internet. (84) 14: [NEXT BIG THING] Altboards? [INNOVATIONS IN INSULTING PEOPLE ONLINE] (9) 15: How to start a great new lively textboard bbs? (19) 16: Other similar boards? (6) 17: Decreasing usability on the web (24) 18: The intetrnet is yours (31) 19: Social Network of your choice. (60) 20: Bienvenido a Internet BBS with Google Translate (3) 21: Tell me about the Scene (14) 22: Japanese Net Culture (36) 23: The *chans and people there (7) 24: The Creation of Memes (17) 25: What is what is this I don't even I don't even (21) 26: Newfags, Tripfags, and Imageboard Conformity (22) 27: late 2000s non-web internet communies (3) 28: Eternal September (15) 29: End of cool japan (18) 30: 2chan isn't very good... (20) 31: Virtual Reality (but almost real) (28) 32: 4chan BBS (27) 33: Anyone willing to part with a Nevada-tan hoodie? (24) 34: Soviet Websites [.su] (4) 35: What OS are you using? (160) 36: Yukkuri shite itte ne! (18) 37: Paradigm shift ιδέα (4) 38: [Internet News]2ch got Renamed?[Textboards][2ch] (5) 39: [RIP] Dead text/imageboards [IN MEMORIAM] (41) 40: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN http://fart.ga/ !! (4)

Protocols (4)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-28 16:21 ID:YSfCOy3n

Are there any protocols worth using nowadays besides HTTP, HTTPS, BitTorrent and IRC?
Is anything still happening with NNTP or Gopher? Is FTP used by anyone at all?

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-29 01:57 ID:jZoZcBRo

FTP gets used all the time for remote filesystem access. You'll probably never see it in action though if you don't have a job that necessitates it.

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-11-01 19:38 ID:EAt1Xanl

Gopher is having a sort of renaissance during the last few years, the new content being largely nerdy, neo-luddite blogs lamenting the state of the commercial websites. There is also a new protocol called Gemini, created by the same 'new gopher people'. NNTP and FTP go on with their slow deaths.

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-11-05 15:52 ID:Heaven

The only people who use Gopher are pedophiles and Shii.

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Next Big Internet Thing (73)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2008-01-29 03:51 ID:YO+RcM1H

In 2002 Something Awful was the place to be. Next came YTMND, and from 2003-2006 4-chan was the greatest thing ever. So what do you think is next?

It's unlikely, but if 4-ch were to suddenly explode in popularity I wouldn't be too surprised.

64 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-15 13:44 ID:yKJRVRp2

next big internet is livestream hardcore henry

65 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-18 08:50 ID:Y0hU5cTa

I was playing uplink the other and then i found out it has an IRC client in it. I think that's gonna be big

66 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-05-26 02:39 ID:ZqhUWTlT

For my circle it's telegram, but the circle is kinda bubbled up for my tastes. I mean you don't have that sense of exploration you had.

67 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-26 14:25 ID:2+4hrk96

>>66
I think that's the problem of the contemporary internet, people circle the wagons and retreat into places they think they can express themselves. That's why I'm here at least lol

68 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-30 03:28 ID:JIR8veAw

I don't think there will be another good communications platform for a long time. The world is shrinking every day and everyone knows everything. The internet has run its course as a medium, and we'll probably be very old or dead by the time the next big thing becomes a practical reality. Sucks...

69 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-03 16:09 ID:3VRj8uAX

we need Another Medium

70 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-21 15:43 ID:RQRXdRsP

>>68
I think there's plenty of great communication platforms today. From a purely objective standpoint modern social media and chat platforms are way better for communication than sites like this one.

I think your problem, and indeed the problem of most people here, is that you've fallen victim to the generational gap. The world you understand is shrinking rapidly as sites you once cherished either die or change to the point where they're no longer recognizable, and a new generation with different norms and values begins to outnumber yours.

Things change with time. The world you knew isn't coming back, and the new generation doesn't want it back. I've met zoomers who've called old geocities sites eyesores and have no idea how to even use the likes of IRC, let alone the desire to do so

The reality of the situation is that things change with time. You can either accept it and move on with your life, or stay here, wallowing in your misery.

71 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-25 13:45 ID:28EImDxD

>>70
What kind of communication though? The nu-internet is great for dank cringe memes and terrible for any kind of serious discussion--and that's by design. reddit and twitter were not meant to be used for discussion, unlike forums which were specifically made for that purpose. Imageboards work ok as long as there isn't too much traffic. But reddit and twitter is where all the "serious discussion" is supposed to be happening.

72 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-25 22:17 ID:0tmC/dd0

Usenet was 'made for serious discussion' yet in retrospective, it was also full of angry nerd flamewars and stupid 90s jokes in place of memes.
I'm not sure the shortcomings of discussion on the Net are stronly tied with technology used.

73 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-27 11:26 ID:28EImDxD

twitter posts are limited to very few characters, so that already prohibits serious discussion. It's also transient in nature, not meant for drawn out discussions that could last for days, weeks, months or years. It's meant for announcements and "here's something I bought today" type of messages. Parsing twitter discussion threads is also difficult.

reddit threads are transient as well. A thread typically has a lifespan of 24 hours or less, maybe a few days on a slower sub, and in very active threads only the users who get in on the ground floor are likely to get their comment seen. Unless they "hijack the top comment for visibility," as they often have to do. If they make the mistake of saying something the collective disagrees with, their comment is collapsed and banished to the bottom. Even the visibility of the thread itself is dependent on people's votes. And like twitter threads, it's hard to parse reddit threads because of all the nesting, collapsing and moving comments (moving in the sense that when they are voted up and down their position on the page also shifts). You don't even get notifications for anything except direct replies to what you wrote.

reddit also by its nature encourages constant reposting and rehashing, and this in conjunction with voting conditions people to automatically accept and adopt popular views. Repetition + social proof = it must be correct.

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What's your least favorite website (20)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-04-04 02:49 ID:yAJllslA

What site do you hate the most? What site looks the worst, doesn't work, or just has fallen in quality over the years?

11 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-20 01:54 ID:m3KmW2xN

>>10
Why pixiv? Aside from the requirement to sign up to view anything, it seems to fulfill the purpose of artwork sharing pretty well.

12 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-21 07:07 ID:mPpRUWsg

>>11
It locks basic searching functionality behind a paid subscription instead of just running off ad revenue like every other decent website.

Also, while this is more the community's fault than the website's, people there are garbage at tagging.

13 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-24 04:37 ID:scalV+Pi

Reddit
Google (and all the shit it owns
Twitter
Snapchat
Facebook
Instagram
4chan

14 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-01 06:46 ID:jy5+itMS

>>13
What are 4chan alternatives

15 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-03 13:30 ID:PvZC3VjA

>>12
It only locks sort-by-popular and maybe some other sorting options, right? Annoying if you just want to find a few nice pics, but not really an issue if you like to dive deep into the search results. I haven't had many issues with the tagging either, I would say it's more consistent and elaborate than some other communities like DA. Plus, I can't think of another picture-sharing site that makes it so easy to download original files; almost every other site nowadays uses all kinds of tricks to try and prevent you for some reason (why is that?). As far as I'm concerned there's never been a popular art sharing site as good as pixiv.

My only real problem with pixiv is that the recent UI update made it much harder to view an individual artist's tags. I miss when there was a specific page with a whole list of them.

16 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-22 22:43 ID:SEIn+768

17 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-30 00:02 ID:3PReO04D

I hate when I'm searching for images and a result leads me to pintrest. No idea why people use that shit, it seems so annoying to browse.

18 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-30 00:03 ID:3PReO04D

Also Quora sucks because they sometimes want you to log in just to answers. It's another one I'll try to avoid if possible; I'd take a reddit thread over quora.

19 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-30 00:05 ID:3PReO04D

>>18
*just to see answers

20 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-21 20:58 ID:GPo/CuGt

>>13
Reddit's good at being what it was originally designed for; a content aggregator. It's shit for discussion but it's great if you're trying to find interesting things from elsewhere on the web.

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Websites marking mp4's as gifs (4)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-06 22:16 ID:tf9oKRFh

Why is it such common trend for websites to supply a collection of "gifs" that are actually just silent videos on repeat? Shit like tenor, giphy's gifv format, among other things. Why do they bother? All it does it make the user more inconvenienced when finding what they want. Why not just say what it is?
Whenever I'm looking for something now I instinctively ignore sites like gfycat because they've only given out pseudo-gifs for so long. It's annoying.

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-07 09:22 ID:zGdFLI77

GIF compression is horrible and so is the quality (mainly due to the 256 color limitation.)

But if you prefer downloading 10mb of data to watch a video that looks like an PlayStation game FMV from 1995, good for you.

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-18 23:43 ID:hMdEs8gy

>>2
aPNG is a thing but they probably stick with the mp4s for more browser compatibility

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-10-21 15:59 ID:u5/V9sI8

Gifs take up more space and provide inferior results. It's an obsolete format with tons of baggage from when they were created.

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When is a community "dead" (11)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-02-10 17:51 ID:vzXIJ3MU

I've always had trouble defineing the difference between a website that is slow like 4-ch or tgchan, and a website that is dead like 99chan or 7chan

I feel like the unity of the community has a lot to do with it. 4-ch has a "core" group of dedicated users as well as a style of posting that is specific to itself. The threads all feel like they're a part of something greater; as if they were all connected in some way

7chan, whilst it gets more traffic, has no core userbase that consistently returns to it. All of the threads exist in a vacuum, and there's no specific flavor to the content

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-02-21 12:21 ID:DZrv+/qe

Pretty much any web site that's not one of the top 10 is "dead" by the standards of the modern web. This is because everything is considered to be in a constant state of ongoing development and updating, meaning if something isn't growing then there's a problem. This leads to people demanding daily uploads and constant validation, who of course means that to stay up-to-date with goings-on becomes almost a full time job. The idea that you'd only connect to the internet briefly has died, and a computer that doesn't have an internet connection is almost considered half a device these days.

This seems like a tangent, but I think it goes a long way towards answering whether something is dead or not because it demands that standards be set. I'm a "new" user to this site, having only been browsing and posting for about a month, but I have taken to its slower pace and that I don't need to check back in (even at a mental level) every hour.

I think such a usage of the web leads to the best experience for the user in the long-term even if its not as exciting in the short-term.

So I think the question shouldn't really be "is this (or any other) site dead?" and more "should it be like a site that's 'alive' at all?"

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-09 05:32 ID:nyqJjpeF

>>2
I don't think these are reasonable critiques of OP. 7chan, while more active than a site like sekai yon chan is absolutely "dead". What OP identified, I believe, could be better stated as complexity and engagement. It is not entirely requisite that an insular group of posters exist, but it is necessary that their exists some sort of mutual understanding. In a space where everyone is coming and going and there's nothing guiding the discussion the discourse never progresses beyond shallow formalities.

A community, I propose, is dead when new users cannot be added or make substantive contributions.

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-28 05:06 ID:7Ly+5IyA

>>3
more like when the old users push newcomers away
then blame the new people rather than admit that they're too deeply ingrained in their old ways and it's off-putting to people who aren't in on all the numerous dumb in-jokes and bizarre expectations

why is this site dying?'' mixed with fuck off, newfag''

adapt or die

5 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-28 05:06 ID:7Ly+5IyA

I meant: "why is this site dying?" mixed with "fuck off, newfag"

I keep forgetting that this particular textboard has fucked up markup

I'm still thinking in terms of world4ch/tinychan

6 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-04-28 05:50 ID:Heaven

>>5
You can set no markup

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8 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-05-30 00:41 ID:DAXaXL8M

This is why chatting like Telegram, IRC, and Discord is so much more popular. It is easier to tell if it is dead or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoonEdit

9 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-06 12:11 ID:1jB3Z7b4

>>1
I think you had a pretty good handle on a definition in your OP.

The separation occurs between a [dead community] and a [dead website]. They are very different things. You can have an incredibly active website that has less of a community than Facebook. Or a very slow website like 4-ch that has a cohesive flavor and is used by pretty much the same people, or type of people, for decades. The relationships dividing them are simple mathematics.

10 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-20 09:54 ID:LynJYcKk

11 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-22 23:53 ID:q1sSrJsn

>>10
Both the article and commentary are a good read and I find many of the insights to be very true. Many have a subconscious awareness of those mechanics, but having it put into so many words might help people grasping at explanations.

Old fashioned, brainy websites are now such a rarity that it's joy to find one sometimes.

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yikes (9)

1 Name: hi : 2019-02-19 04:03 ID:/vDXU0YF

this place is ooold

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-22 23:06 ID:Heaven

No, you're just too young.

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-05-26 02:39 ID:TENKljV0

This is a good place.

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-10 00:39 ID:Heaven

no it's not

5 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-12 09:30 ID:k1VuehoF

This is the best of places.

6 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-06 10:34 ID:ucBxGdJw

One of the few places that feels familiar.

Practically everything else is alien.

7 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-20 09:56 ID:E7Pnre+V

This is a place.

8 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-20 22:43 ID:h86KCcwy

good place

9 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-21 02:28 ID:1rJy7n2E

the good place

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GET THE INTERNET OUT OF THE REAL WORLD (82)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2007-12-30 05:10 ID:kZAlYyKU

ITT discussion of people who use memes, jokes, or lingo in the real world. If I hear one more person say "lawl" in real life I think I am going to die

73 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-17 08:24 ID:JgYG9lko

74 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-22 04:32 ID:XF3mdVci

12 years later. still relevant

75 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-26 00:42 ID:wVLP3q0I

>>67
Great book, thanks for recommending it. It's more relevant than ever, and the issue is only going to get worse as we all go headfirst into it all.

76 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-26 04:21 ID:V/jfrZWO

Man, this thread makes me miss when the internet was simpler, when there weren't as many dark forests that everyone retreated into and it all seemed more fun.

77 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-06-30 19:52 ID:rk8Ne12F

>>76
The problem with the modern net is that people see it as a legitimate platform. Back in the day people posted whatever they wanted without any fear or ambitions because they knew that nobody in the real world would ever see it. Nowadays, the internet and the real world are joined at the hip. Posting that you want to kill all the jews is no longer just you venting in the virtual world, it's a very real political statement.

78 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-23 18:55 ID:314L29yK

>>77
It's only a srs bsns political statement because idiots take the internet seriously. We all need to find a way to re-frontier the World Wide Web or we're all going to see nothing but deranged posts and endless bad content.

79 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-06 12:23 ID:b3Y7OeBe

>>74
I posted in this thread twelve years ago.

Reflecting on the way things have gone since then, I am left wondering where to begin. The culture is so different now that I don't think anyone at all minds anymore when someone uses memespeak in public other than thinking them to be immature.

As for me... didn't do it then, don't do it now.

80 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-11 23:48 ID:Heaven

No John, internet is the real world

81 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-15 16:23 ID:oiEYoupa

This thread is far more relevant as ever tbh

82 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-18 15:39 ID:2FejbMqo

it was foretold

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IRC: why did it fail? (96)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2006-04-06 01:14 ID:6ppXr5qs

It's widely banned for its tendency to be a DDoS lightningrod, and only slightly less infamous for its impenetrable cliques of time-wasting losers. Was IRC just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or is the protocol responsible for its own failure? And how could we do better?

Discuss!

87 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-05-30 04:54 ID:7MljuVQr

>>86
It's not.

88 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-05-30 13:16 ID:fEJUKcNu

>>85
it is a horrible clique.

89 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2017-06-30 04:55 ID:Heaven

>>88
I was going to say, if that's what "live IRC" looks like, I want no part of it.

90 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2018-09-17 22:40 ID:Heaven

Remember when people complained about IRC instead of Discord?

sips monster

91 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-04 00:54 ID:kyNhT+mO

>>90

>sips monster

Will you be my ana buddy?

92 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-02-10 03:50 ID:SPr6mqpz

IRC failed because nobody remembers how to read anymore. Books are dead too.
I am going to see if IRC works over i2p now.

93 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-06 23:36 ID:LiTfwJi7

IRC let lives, IRC always lives.

94 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-03-14 23:39 ID:6WCTbVUs

>>92

Books ain't dead. ebooks may be digital but they still are books.

95 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-19 06:40 ID:HcRIxCr8

A major part of is it that the original IRC protocol doesn't do well in a world where most connections are ephemeral (smartphones, laptops). No one wants to run a persistent bouncer session just to view past messages. Other lesser things are that the original protocol doesn't handle rich media formats gracefully, so things such as images require nonstandard extensions.

There's also a concerted efforts by companies to favor their own walled-garden platforms over open interconnects (slack used to supprot irc but no longer, google used to support xmpp/gchat interconnect but no longer) so development on irc is practically frozen as no one's going to bother fleshing out and implementing the ircv3 standard.

The closest thing to a modern irc is the matrix protocol, but last time I tried it was really janky compared to irc. Plus development on that is spearheaded almost entirely by one company and I'm not sure there are even any alternate server implementations.

96 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-09-07 16:53 ID:/PcUNUqE

deltachat but for IRC when.

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sadpanda (4)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-29 15:38 ID:oxVMhGg7

What are you guys's thoughts on its demise?

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-02 06:35 ID:T7OPkBpI

Time to buy more hard drives and move to finland

3 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-08 20:07 ID:Heaven

it's back lol

4 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-08-23 01:03 ID:nQm3RRQM

anime butts drive me nuts

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Image board on here is broken (2)

1 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-28 23:20 ID:d7CG5ckO

Somebody fix it: http://4-ch.net/img/

2 Name: 404 - Name Not Found : 2019-07-29 22:15 ID:Heaven

It got shut down due to spam. Ask in Requests next time for any site feedback.

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