The English Chat Room (446)

1 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 05/01/22(Sat)20:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

∧_∧ In this thread, you can talk English with each other.
( ・ω・)  Let's drink tea together and chat about this and that.
(つ旦0 Ramble, communicate, have fun!
と_)__) The native speakers will bring the cookies.

397 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2008-10-06 09:07 ID:Heaven

Yes, I know about the zainichi issues, but I still find the reaction that some have to ANYTHING China/Korea related to be rather off-putting. Maybe "irrational" is the wrong word, but I really must roll my eyes at people who actually start forming a clearly negative opinion of people (who make no nationalistic claims or anything of the sort) simply because they find out they've got Chinese/Korean origins... and claim it's a justified cultural thing. I think it's as bad as the rednecks in America who get pee'd off at a president having zomgomg some shred of Muslim connection.

I guess I still feel irked by those used to homogenous environments who understandably get extra-sensitive to issues relating to foreigners... being so used to dealing with foreigners of all types, most types of nationalism and resultant attitudes (of all countries - C,J,K,whatever) just seem hollow to me.

398 名前: Miyuki : 2008-10-06 18:25 ID:il/8A2Rl

Well some of the "haters" I met, went to Language school in Japan, than shingaku into the universities. (And thus, it would have taken many years) So they weren't on exchange. Like I left in a year cause I had to.

I mean there were some Chinese (from China) who loved Japan, there were just still a bigger majority that didn't. (At least at the school I was, and where I lived)

As for Taiwan and it's more pro-Japanese things.

(Not trying to turn this into a history lesson)

Not everyone in Taiwan is pro-Japanese

Taiwan is mostly seperated between the "外省人" (external-province person) and "本省人" (inner-province person) + the aboriginals. The current governement ruling Taiwan is the KMT and are considered "outer".

Those considered "outer" were people who emigrated from mainland China near the end of the Chinese Civil War (along with Chiang Kai Shek). Their decendants are called this as well. "Inner" were those who were in Taiwan prior to the mass immigration.

The majority of the "external" population of Taiwan dislike the Japanese, where as the "inner" is more pro-japanese. The inner considered Japan as good people, because they helped with infrastructure etc. However, like many other Asian countries, the Taiwanese were forced to give up their Chinese names and made to to speak Japanese, and basically to throw out their chinese ancestory. So there were many people in Taiwan now who are sensitive to this issue.

When the KMT took over, they thought themselves as the "liberator" of the Taiwanese people. Some appreciated it, while others just hated this. They took land and money and basically bullied the "inner" Taiwanese. They also mass murdered many many Taiwanese.

If you talk to some older generations of Taiwanese people, some would say they prefer to be ruled by Japan than by China.

So these issues are always so hard... SIGH ><

399 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2008-10-06 23:26 ID:Heaven

>like many other Asian countries, the Taiwanese were forced to give up their Chinese names

C'mon, if you are knowledgeable enough to be able to spell 外省人 and 本省人, why do you believe such a bull on its face value? Forced? It was based on permission. Those who wanted Japanese style names had to meet requirements such as being fluent in Japanese.

400 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2008-10-06 23:43 ID:Heaven

>I think it's as bad as the rednecks in America who get pee'd off at a president having zomgomg some shred of Muslim connection.

No. Are those alleged highjackers really the perpetrators of 911? Don't you think it's amazing that Chosen Soren, who without a doubt was involved in Japanese abduction, still exists?

401 名前: Superduper : 2008-10-27 11:54 ID:ILOo1h6W

some 外省人 are fucked up losers and should go back to china rather trying to suck up chinese asses

402 名前: Hi!!JJYYs87i : 2008-12-17 21:18 ID:Ni+A2enS


anybody there?

403 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2008-12-18 00:26 ID:Iie249rJ

404 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2008-12-19 15:25 ID:Heaven

Why hello there.

405 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2008-12-20 04:24 ID:GEV2U9ib


406 名前: :o : 2008-12-22 04:31 ID:Q1tkRxFc

Hi, wanna learn/teach/practice some Japanese on a friendly IRC channel? Come to #Japanese :D. Feel free to hang out and make some friends also ^_^. Can't wait to see you there!

407 名前: sugar : 2009-01-07 08:49 ID:B10i8dWj


408 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-01-08 01:31 ID:LhIRpyw7


409 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-01-10 19:21 ID:Iie249rJ

hey,hybrid american.
i don't your future and killing soon!
go back america from ryukyu
we hate hybrid monsters. give back racial island!
will be growing up terrorism!

410 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-01-13 22:52 ID:BDPod5S8

golgolmois, is that you?!

411 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-03 05:51 ID:Heaven
I came from here.

I'm just wondering if 米人、アメリカ人、ベイエリア人 or other people from overseas with particular ISPs are blocked by 2ch.

If you guys just have nothing to post, then that's OK but
I'm just wondering if you're in trouble.

>>364 is スウェーデン人's post regarding his access denied by 2ch back then. He used to come to "chat in English" thread in 2ch's English board until he was blocked.

If you respond to this post, you have to fill in the section
named 検証. You see random alphabets right next to the 検証 box. You have to type those alphabets in. Maybe that workes for avoiding automatic comment spams.

412 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-03 05:53 ID:Heaven

Wow! My ID is Heaven.
It's just a coincidence or what.

413 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-03 05:54 ID:Heaven

Wow! My ID is Heaven.
It's just a coincidence or what.

414 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-03 05:55 ID:Heaven

Sorry for the double post.

415 名前: ベイエリア人!wI.9LiivDc : 2009-02-03 16:01 ID:Iafn0sea

Yes, I'm blocked.

It's inconvenient.

However, I can post from school.

416 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-03 17:56 ID:Heaven

I just posted to 2ch right now. I'm started to think that all the folks who say they're being blocked are figments of my imagination.

417 名前: アメリカ人!oUpRKPX5A2 : 2009-02-03 23:40 ID:EeFpKLxG

yup, I'm blocked as well but I can use Hotspot Shield to post.
However, it doesn't always connect to an IP that allows me to post so I have to try around 10 times before it works. So posting now is extremely tedious. I'll try to post sometime this week. I keep reading it though.

418 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 01:47 ID:IOng+Uq/

To anyone who routinely types Japanese text, is it true that text entry is literally faster on a cell phone keypad, instead of a keyboard? I know very little about the alphabets, but does the structure of the language just lend itself to a situation like that?

419 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 03:54 ID:Heaven

I'm >>411-414, not >>416.
Why on earth me and >>416 have the same ID? Hmmm....

It's inconvenient not to be able to post whenever you want.
I hope you'll find efficient proxies soon.

You said before that you need to copy and preserve your comment before posting so that it won't diminish when the message is blocked. Now you need to do that 10 times for each post? Sounds really bothering.

米人 must be in trouble now. Maybe she gave up already.

It should be a lot faster to type Japanese with PC's keyboard (QWERTY keyboard) than with cell phones key alignment of a cell phone. The number of times you have to punch keys is larger when you use a cell phone for text messaging or emailing.

You must be talking about middle school or high school students.
Some of them type at a lightning speed with cell phone keypad, they aren't accustomed to type with PC's keyboard so in that case, they type faster with cell phone keypad than PC's key board.

420 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 03:56 ID:Heaven

Maybe ID's of people from Japan is all Heaven...
Not sure though.

421 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 04:58 ID:IOng+Uq/

Thank you for you for your input, >>419. As an American, it's very strange to consider a youth being unaccustomed to a PC keyboard. It IS true that younger kids are faster on a cell phone keypad (sending text SMS) than the older students I'm around... I recently read <a href="">this NPR article</a> about "keitai culture," and that's why I asked. The amount of connectivity in Japan just blows my mind. I'm a bit of a computer geek and that kind of technology is interesting to me, but being SO connected to the point of nervous breakdown is just frightening. I'd love to visit, though.

422 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 05:02 ID:Heaven

Do you not understand? Every user who enters 'sage' as their link results in ID:Heaven.


423 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 07:56 ID:Heaven


>As an American, it's very strange to consider a youth being unaccustomed to a PC keyboard.

Well, not all households have a PC/PCs in their household. if
their parents' jobs aren't office work then they are less likely
to be familiar with PC and don't own a PC in their home. It's
kind of like a digital devide in Japan.

Even in such families, kids there wants to have their own cell
phone to be connected with their friends all the time, so
their parents buy a cell phone for their kids. That way, even if
a kid can't type PC keyboard well, they are very skilled in
typing on a cell phone keypad.

Students have a chance to get familiar with PC at school but
schools PC literacy education is defferent from school to school
so, some students don't acquire good typing skill because of
the lack of time they can spend on typing on PC key board.
So they are better at typing on their cell phone keypad.

As the webiste you put a link to says, some students and even
adults are kind of like addicted to cell phone use.
My 15-year-old nephew's cell phone has been taken away by her
mother=my sister, because her mom found out that when she was
supposed to study in her room, in fact, she was sending e-mails
for hours at night during the entire period of school's test
week. Her grades were terrible and her mom has taken it away.

There seems to be a unique cell phone use culture among
youngsters in Japan. There's a rule among them what's called
30 minutes rule in which if you don't reply to your friends'
e-mail in 30 minutes, the recepient think they are ignored
and disliked and the friendship go bad. Some call it 3 minutes
rule, not 30 minuites. Kids have to be on alert.

Bullying on the Internet is a social problem here and some schools banned students cell phone use. This is a sign that it's common for students in Japan to use Internet on their cell phones.
This website gives you the cell phone trend in Japan.
This ecerpt of a PDF document sold by the company that runs the website above gives you what's going on in Japan's cell phone
internet use. You can learn a lot from it, although data there
is until 2006 or 2007.

I'm not what's called a digital native and don't use a cell
phone for email and web browsing so, reading the PDF file and
the website gives me better undersatanding of cell phone
Internet trend. I can practice reading English, too.

By the way, the website you put the lingk to is English-
learners-friendly in that they provide the scripts of audios,
too. If I couldn't catch some words, I can check the script.
I think I'll listen and read other articles on the website.

Oh, stupid me. orz Thanks.

424 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 08:03 ID:Heaven

My entire post was too long to be shown. You need to click on
underlined ここ to read my whole post.

The Japanese sentense at the end of >>423 means, something like,
"Post is omitted... To read the whole post, click here."

425 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 10:34 ID:Heaven


Now I see my entire post without clicking anything.

Anyway, "Oh, stupid me. orz Thanks." is the last line of the
long post.

426 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 17:03 ID:Heaven

For gaijins like me, do you advise travelling Tokyo alone? Will it be possible to just move around and meet random people like you are in North America or Europe?

427 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 19:31 ID:IOng+Uq/

I believe it shows the full post if you are viewing the topic in "expanded" view.

I'm surprised that, for such a technologically advanced country, Japan has a (somewhat) limited amount of computers. Where I live, it is standard for each member of a family to have their own computer. Some of my more technology-savvy friends even have multiple personal computers. I find this to be the case in my group of friends, who I would classify as "middle-lower class" in terms of family income. Perhaps it is related to income. "Lower class" where I live (western coast of America in California, which is relatively expensive in itself compared to other territories) usually means an average family income of under $20,000 USD per year. While the cheapest entry for a computer is likely around $300, cell phone cost is usually $50 for the phone and an additional $40 per month: $35 usually for voice, and $5 to $20 for text SMS. That includes NO data (internet, email, etc), and may only be used to send SMS limited to 160 letters, which isn't very much in English. Optional data plans for web-browsing are extreme (often $40 for "unlimited" (although there are secret limits imposed in the contract) data transfer (through very, very slow connections. 3G is rare and incredibly fast by comparison, many use the EDGE Network), or else they charge an exorbitant price per MegaByte. Because of this, data plans are rare on cell phones. Many people who spend the time to analyze what is costing so much money per month for cell phone do realize that it's a digital highway robbery, but we just can't get our act together enough to stop the monopolies imposed by the various cell phone network providers. Sure, some companies are cheaper than others, but because the US is so large, you go with whatever company provides the best coverage in your area, since none of the company networks are equal in service. The cheaper networks are not available in my network, and so I have to pay so much money for very little service. It's a pain. Thankfully my contract is finished in a few months and I may leave the company. [Another note is that the prices I gave assume that you tie your funding into a two-year contract, which is standard in America. If you would like a new cell phone or would like to switch service before those two years are done, you get demolished with fees (a new, unsubsidized cell phone is often in the range of $400, and early contract termination is usually $200 ALONE. We also pay money per text SMS RECEIVED, which means we may be charged for no reason if somebody sends us a text message, which happens frequently and daily. Yes, I know that cell phone service in America is horrendous.]

Wow, that was a long rant. Sorry but I get worked up over the strength huge companies hold in this country (´ヘ`;) What I'm trying to say is, computers are cheaper than cell phones if you include the hidden costs. So, in America, it is typical for a child to be introduced to a computer before a cell phone.

Regardless of all these fees, many are still addicted to their phones here too. Kids also have their phone taken away here too for bad grades as a form of punishment. Many people send text messages while in the company of others, which is something I consider rude, but many people do it regardless. Talking on your phone on the bus, rail, subway etc. isn't considered rude though--it's interesting to listen to other peoples' conversations I think. As long as they aren't being very loud or offensive I'm fine with it.

The link I put (although I ruined up my formatting) is by National Public Radio, which produces a lot of very interesting articles for free. A partner syndication Studio 360 has been writing articles about Japanese culture recently, and they look very interesting too. Thank you for those links too. The cultural anthropologist in my will definitely enjoy them.

428 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-04 19:34 ID:Heaven

I'm interested in this question too. A friend and I want to travel to Japan this summer.

[secret question: is it true that the drinking age is enforced very loosely? we would be just shy of the drinking age.]

429 名前: スウェーデン人 : 2009-02-04 22:58 ID:5NNF0nIM

Interesting that this thread should suddenly come alive.

The whole .se top domain still seems to be blocked. I still see the same 「海外ドメイン規制(se)。」 message, at least.

So it is quite a coincidence - I will change ISP soon to one that offers a good 3G / UMTS broadband service, and I belive I will be able to post again.. (They do not use the .se domain.)

430 名前: スウェーデン人 : 2009-02-04 23:49 ID:Heaven

By the way, and on the subject of typing faster, does anyone here know anything about using a Dvorak keyboard layout to enter Japanese in Windows? (XP, which is what is used here in school) If I try to use something other than a Japanese keyboard layout, the whole conversion process goes away.

At home it is not a problem, since keyboard layout, romaji/kana conversion and kana/kanji conversion are all independent of each other when you are using a Unix-like system. It seems that OS X can easily do this as well, but for Windows it seems very tricky, and apparently involves registry hacking and knowing details about what obscurely named files contain the right keymap...

(Why Dvorak? Well, it is supposedly faster and better in all sorts of ways than the standard QWERTY layout. An interesting point for people wanting to type Japanese is that the vowels A O E U are right under the left hand, at the "asdf" positions, and 'I' is just one step to the right. This should make it very well suited for romaji-to-kana text input, since you naturally alternate between left and right hands when touch typing and move your hands around very little.

For me personally, I was fed up with the horrible Swedish keyboard layout and wanted to have something better, so Dvorak seemed like a good starting point.)

There might be something in the Japanese Wikipedia article, so I'll try to work my way though that when I get home.

431 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-05 17:06 ID:Heaven

You are very updated about how cell phone carriers charge you. I'm too lazy to keep an eye on how Japanese carriers charge you. How they charge is too complicated at least for me so I'm not so updated. If you go to an outlet of carriers, they show you the most appropriate charge plan based on your cell phone use and internet and email habit.

In Japan there are three major carriers, NTTdocomo, AU and Softbank. Softbank bought cell phone business from Vodafone, by the way. Before introduction of "number portability" system a few years ago, if you change carriers, your cell phone number had to be changed. That was inconvenient for consumers and made them hesitate to change carriers. That prevent the market's fair cometiotion and helped NTTdocomo dominate large market share.

After introduction of number portability system, consumers can use the same number even if they change carriers so if they have complains about one carrier's service, they can change carriers without too much hesitation. That urges carriers fair competition and healty market. The competiton among carriers gets fierce and that is good for consumers because they offer more user friendly charge system such as as long as you talk with your family members the telephone charge is free or things like that.

But at the same time, they try to catch and hold their costomers by offering a charge system where the longer you use one carrier, the more discount rate you get. This seems like the same with America judging from your post. And if you break a contract and change your carrier they fine you. This is the same with America. Well, anyway, I don't know much about charge system though.

Yeah, rude people with bad cell phone habit is everywhere here, too, young and old. Funny haha but annoying thing is that elderly people have a bad cell phone habit because of they don't know much about cell phone. Some elderly poeple don't even know how to set their phone on "mannar mode"(Mannar mode might be Japanese English. Maybe it's better to say "silent mode")

In a theater, libray, wherever you have to be quiet, their cell phones ring loud. I think they don't know how to set their cell phone on silent mode with vibration. Annoying thing is they speak very loud there. Elderly people once critisized young people's bad cell phone habit, which is talking loud in a public place, emailing wherever they are and you name it, but once they come to have their own cell phone, they are doing the same thing. At least young people know how to set their cell on silent mode.

I know NPR. Actually I have visited NPR's website. It's national public radio so their broadcast and articles aren't
sensationalized. NPR is very calm but sometimes a little bit boring because of that. Sometimes articles and broadcast of 3 major networks' are too sensationalized. The anchors there act and speak like an actor with too much emotion. I like between NPR and 3 major networks if you know what I mean. hehe

Thanks for another link, too. Although I'm not good at listening to English, I tired a few audio there. I'll read and listen more there, too.

432 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-05 17:20 ID:E8/QEbNn

Legal drinking age is 20 here but it's a shame to admit that Japan is very loose about it. Japan is getting very severe about driving under influence, though and the police and restaurants, bar which offer alchol takes very tough approach now. If some people go to bar and they drink beer and one person drive back home with them, the friends who drink with the driver are arrested, too.

Vending machines are everywhere in Japan and some of them sell beer. No ID is needed to get beer using vending machine.
I think you can't use vending machines that sell beer from 11pm to 5am. I'm not sure though. I don't drink alchol.
Convenience stores sell beer, too. They don't ask you to show an ID if you don't look too young. Mind you, I'm not encouraging you to drink alchol here.

433 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-05 17:31 ID:Heaven

It's good to know you're still around! Some Americans in the thread use a proxy server to handle the situation. Hope you'll be able to post there whenever you want.

I'm afraid I don't know much about PC and peripherals

434 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-06 05:28 ID:Heaven

Yes, you need to hack the registry. Fortunately, there is already a reg file.
I don't know if your school allows you to hack it or if it works for the Swedish keyboard.

435 名前: スウェーデン人 : 2009-02-06 11:08 ID:Heaven

Thank you, >>434. It should probably work, but I suppose I should look into it a bit more first.

Are there any vending machines that attempt to confirm age first? I remember reading at Pink Tentacle how the system in some cigarette vending machines is, ahem, not very good.

436 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-07 09:17 ID:Heaven

As the blog's entry said, they are taking preventive measures against minors' tabaco purchase, but I never heard of any equivalent stories about vending machines that sell beer and other alchol.

Sad incidents are happening around Japan regarding the introduction of Taspo, age-verification cards. As the blog entry says, vending machines with the face recognition function is very rare now, so Taspo card is the only measure to prevent minors from buying cigaret on vending machines. All vending machines except the ones with face recognition system have Taspo reader. The problem is that the regstration for a Taspo card is bothersome, which includes filing out a form.

So not many smokers have made their own Taspo card. That means they buy cigarret at a convenient store. Small mom-and-pop stores that sell cigarret rely their sales on from vending machine so lots of these small business are going bankrupcy.

437 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-09 05:18 ID:IOng+Uq/

I think it's unfortunate that the Japanese life is "too busy" to fill out a form, even if it means more convenient access to things they would buy anyway. And it is good morals to support independent stores.

438 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-09 10:29 ID:Heaven

You not only have to fill out a form but also you have to take it with your ID such as a driver's liscence to somewhere to get
a Taspo card for vending machine perchase.

I'm a smoker myself (not smoke much) but I don't know where I have to bring the form to to get a Taspo card and where I can get a form for that matter. Maybe because I'm always thinking about quit smoking so I don't care about gettind my Taspo card much. Convenience stores are everywhere so you can buy cigarett even if you don't have your Taspo card.

439 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-16 08:00 ID:RAE7KcGD

Maybe I should start a new thread for this? I have been interested to know good Japanese movies. I have a cult bias. I watched "Blue Spring" ("Aoi haru") this weekend, and I thought it was very interesting. I'm also looking into getting Wild Zero. Does anyone else have any recommendations?

440 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-02-16 21:55 ID:xxWm3RsK

Have you watched Pornostar? It's the first film by the director of Blue Spring. It has plenty of flaws, but I think in some ways that makes it more interesting to watch, and the good stuff about it is really very good.

If you're into these kind of movies one thing I'd really like to recommend is going through Tsukamoto Shinya's filmography (from Tetsuo to Viral, anway). It's fascinating to watch the way his style and themes develop and change, maybe more so than with any other director I've come across. If you'd rather not focus on one director like that you should at least watch Tetsuo, if you haven't already.

I could go on forever recommending stuff really, but to mention just a few across a bit of a range, there's Electric Dragon 80,000 V, Miike Takashi's Graveyard of Honour (the original is pretty good too, but Miike's is amazing), Ranpo Noir, Branded to Kill, and Tsuito no Zawameki. I don't know if you'll get that last one without spending a lot or using Share but it's more than worth a try.

441 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-03-10 23:40 ID:ualytNeD

Since we're talking about movies at the moment, anybody know of a good martial arts film that doesn't include the silly over-the-top flying leaps (a la Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon)?

443 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-06-20 10:59 ID:Heaven

Many girls all over the world today see Korean guys as romantic, manly, smart, and sexy.
Sure, that's all perfectly correct.
Korean guys treat girls gently and nicely, meaning they are romantic.
Korean guys go through a hard-studying experience, meaning they are quite smart.
Korean guys train themselves both mentally and phisically, meaning they are manly and sexy.
Those elements of Korean guys are appealing to girls all around the world.
In addition, Korean guys are enjoying their popularity thanks to Korean Wave.
Korean Wave gives girls all over the world a chance to see Korean guys on TV and the Internet.
Those girls started to worship Korean guys since the Wave caught attention from the world media.
Now quite a number of girls are dreaming of finding a Korean guy as their boyfriend/husband.
We have to admit that Korean guys are most competitive under the current circumstance everywhere in this world.
We should be proud of it!! :)

444 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-07-01 15:21 ID:14/X+889

Can I ask a question here?
I wanna post about a regulation is discussing in Japan on Wakachan.
It's concerned with Anime, Manga and so on.

Which board should I post this regulation on?

445 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2009-07-30 17:43 ID:Heaven

Chinese nuclear tests in East Turkestan 1of3

Chinese nuclear tests in East Turkestan 2of3

Chinese nuclear tests in East Turkestan 3of3

446 名前: 名無しさん@日本語勉強中 : 2010-05-26 18:58 ID:AdlzAhtb

I'm being quite desperate right now. I've been trying to post an comment on the 2ch boards since more than 5 hours (no kidding!) trying everything you could imagine, but nothing works.

I've tried to use proxys. Got >>340's response, even though I reloaded plenty of times it didn't work either.

I tried these proxy browser sites. All of them were banned.

I downloaded senyou browsers. Same as above, it's useless.

Is there even any chance of being able to post on the other 2ch forums?! I feel like giving up after 5 hours of intesive searching and despair D:

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