the assumption is that the market encourages "self reliance" by forcing people two work. well, it doesn’t, and this is because of two reasons.
the first reason is that the market does NOT reward people according to work. work is only one factor out of many. some of these factors are good and should be rewarded, like ingenuity. some are either a-moral or immoral, like luck or privilege. privilege can also be explained as owning the necessary capital to invest. there are a lot of hardworking people out there without anything to invest in.
this whole "capitalism rewards according to work" thing needs to be explained in context. when capitalism was just starting, it was fighting against an immoral system where people were rewarding with wealth and power according to nobility. they did not have to work to be rich- they were born rich. Adam Smith, therefore, in trying to convince people that capitalism was better then feudalism, devised a theory on why things are expensive (or not expensive). to him, something is only expensive if it takes a lot of effort and labor to make. therefore, capitalism rewards according to labor.
this became the dominant theory of value for over a century. it was called the "Labor Theory of Value." (LTV)
Do you feel that Self-Reliance is an illusion or that Self-Reliance within a capitalist society is an illusion. Because although I understand where you're coming from, thinking on a larger scale I come back to the thought that no society has Self-Reliant individuals.
In either case, I think the people whom appear to be most individual or "self-reliant" are the ones with a lot of resources.
this is copy pasta. i have no clue. good question, though. wasnt expecting a response this intelligent.
HOWEVER, i think that the issue isnt black and white. there are some people who really are self-reliant in capitalism, BUT just because a person does not have the resources to take care of them self doesn't mean everything is their fault. also, just because a person has all the resources he needs to live, doesnt mean they worked for those resources. marginal theory proves this.
this guy probably has a different viewpoint then me. i dont know his exact views, but i dont think he views capitalism as a good thing. me, i dont think capitalism is good or bad. it's a-moral. it can do good things, it can do bad things. i just get very annoyed with people who try to make capitalism out to be moral. you know, like the paulfags.
Please feel free to stomp all over my current perception of Adam Smith's definition of "Self-Reliance", I learned about him some time ago and I've been doing some googling. But it seems that in "Self-Reliance" Adam Smith writes that a Self-Reliant individual is one who is entirely self-sustaining. But that isn't how free-market or even soc-capitalism works, it is entirely reliant on interdependency, trade, communication and social structure. It really brings out that hokey image of the intelligent age-of-reason frontiersman heading out west to find a solitary and successful existence.
Also I think of Buddha, and about our everyday reliance on living things such as grains of rice or wheat or animals. etc. etc. You can go really far with this idea.
Of course in another sense self-reliance often just means "Gets by in today's society".
On the topic of morality in an economic structure, I definitely see government types and economic systems as tools, like memetic tools to form civilization. I feel similiar to you in that the ones who get annoying about it are the ones who clutch to their breasts a favored dogma, like the Paulfags, like republics or democrats, whatever, getting attached to these things is why we can't have nice things.
I agree with this. Back in Smith's day you could just buy a farm and live off your own land. you could seek a profit if you wanted to, but if you grew all your own food you were not totally dependent on the market. the Market itself (with a capital M) was voluntary.
you cant do that today. individual markets may be voluntary, but the Market is not.
I completely agree with this post. i find it totally ironic that no real economist would say that the market rewards according to labor and hard work unless he's just saying what people want to hear. and yet, even though the subjective POV on value is dominant, people (especially politicians) go back to the LTV as propaganda.
however, let me play devils advocate. if there are bad externalities, wouldn't there also be good externalities? isn't it possible that the good externalities, in which third parties in a market profit, can even out the bad ones? just a thought.
also, and i mean no offense by this, but is English the OP's original language, or are those just a bunch of sloppy typos? it's hard to believe that someone who understands the difference between the LTV and Marginal Utility would make all these errors unless they didn't speak English.
So (I think) you are pointing out that the externalities (The effect of an (economic)exchange outside of the exchangees) are a good way to view a poor perspective on modern self-reliance?
In that case, I mean, regardless of whether or not the externalities have a negative or positive impact, it leads to the thought that there can be no Self-Reliance unless we are, per your example, going off on our own, building a farm, etc. And that's on the economic level, not the philosophical or agricultural in which we are never ever self-reliant. There can definitely be good externalities though, but I feel there would be more in a culture where consumption is less important than value on work and commodity.
On another note, what do people think of Self-Reliance in a post-Singularity civilization? Assuming (probably correctly) that space-travel and/or nanotechnology will create enough resources and space to make quite possibly all individuals wealthy enough to be completely independent. IS that true self-reliance?
I'm tired.
You're talking about a post-scarcity society, right? Well, I'm kind of cynical about that idea, but I guess it might happen. I guess that would be self reliance, but nobody would work for their own food. Is that really self reliance?
Let's expose corporate crime in English!
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1331150932/3
3 名前：名無しさん＠英語勉強中[] 投稿日：2012/03/08(木) 15:34:59.66
"Watami Co., Ltd.," formerly called as "Watami Food Service Co., Ltd.," killed a young Japanese lady by violation of Labor Standards Act.
(ワタミ株式会社、かつてワタミフードサービス株式会社と呼ばれていた会社は、労働基準法違反で若い日本人女性を一人殺害しました。)
Ms. Mina MORI, who belonged to Watami, killed herself at the age of 26 in 2008, due to mental instability by excessive and illegal hard work.
The bereaved family claimed workers' compensation around four years ago. As a result, the examiner of Workers' Accident Compensation
Insurance officialy affirmed the petition, and the determination letter dated on Feb.14, 2012 says; "She could not afford holidays at all
because her overtime work is more than approx. 140 hours per month. We suppose that the main cause of her suicide would overtax by
I'm coming into this thread very late and admittedly have only skimmed most of the replies-
but, I don't even understand why "self-sufficiency" is a relevant question at all. Persons perform differing degrees of labor and are influenced differently by fate, but I'm at a loss how this has become a moral question at all. The entire statement is framed in moral terms and it seems increasingly silly to me. A thousand mouths, each demanding their own sanctity as if it had a value. Such is politics.
Entertaining side note: Marx also believed in the labor theory of value. It has some relevance to him in the sense that it reflects the social character of capital. I don't really see how the LVT leads necessarily into the fiction of the invisible hand of the market at all.
MIT Predicts That World Economy Will Collapse By 2030
"Forty years after its initial publication, a study called The Limits to Growth is looking depressingly prescient. Commissioned by an international think tank called the Club of Rome, the 1972 report found that if civilization continued on its path toward increasing consumption, the global economy would collapse by 2030. Population losses would ensue, and things would generally fall apart.
The study was — and remains — nothing if not controversial, with economists doubting its predictions and decrying the notion of imposing limits on economic growth. Australian researcher Graham Turner has examined its assumptions in great detail during the past several years, and apparently his latest research falls in line with the report’s predictions, according to Smithsonian Magazine. The world is on track for disaster, the magazine says.
The study, initially completed at MIT, relied on several computer models of economic trends and estimated that if things didn’t change much, and humans continued to consume natural resources apace, the world would run out at some point. Oil will peak (some argue it has) before dropping down the other side of the bell curve, yet demand for food and services would only continue to rise. Turner says real-world data from 1970 to 2000 tracks with the study’s draconian predictions: “There is a very clear warning bell being rung here. We are not on a sustainable trajectory,” he tells Smithsonian.
ITT: We discuss the upcoming 2012 elections in the USA. There will be wildly disparate poll numbers, quotes taken out of context, twice as many mentions of Ron Paul here as the number of votes he’ll actually receive, and in the end, as always, no matter who wins, we all lose.
Incumbents:
President: Barack Obama (D)
House: GOP 242 – Dem 193
Senate: Dem 53 – GOP 47
>>68 is Santorum going to spin this as a win? He was outspent vastly, but eleven points is nothing to sneeze at either.
Gingrich is just fucking him over. Newt's ego is the only part of him that's fatter than his ass. Good for the Democrats, I guess. This whole thing is like a train wreck, only it is lasting for a whole year. I wonder if a lot of Republicans aren't thinking about electoral reform right around now.
Rick Santorum has dropped out!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-calls-mitt-romney-concede-180027008.html
Now it's down to Romeny and the Newt! (And Ron Paul if he ever counted for anything)
>>70
It's Romney.
Ron Paul counts for something, but not in the Republican party.
Smart of Santorum to do that, now if Romney loses against Obama, Romney will be totally out of the running for the 2016 election, leaving Santorum left saying "See? I told you he was useless."
PLEASE VOTE FOR ROMNEY
>>73 Can you guarantee that he will he not shit on the Constitution like the current and previous presidents have and continue to do? In that case, I'll vote for him gladly.
And Gingrich calls it quits!
Now the only alternative left to Romney is Ron Paul!!
Will Ron Paul finally get the respect he's been waiting for and win a few primaries? Or will Romney crush his dreams and leave him crying like John Boehner?
Ron Paul wins Maine!!
http://news.yahoo.com/paul-wins-majority-delegates-maine-gop-174422402.html
OH NO!!!
Ron Paul has ran out of money!!
Will this finally clinch the nomination for Romney? Or will a miracle save us all from the unthinkable? Here's hoping for a Romney sex scandal (preferably a gay one)!
Barack Obama is A POST TURTLE!
Post Turtle
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working with cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually, the topic got around to Barack Obama and his bid to to be a heartbeat away from being President.
The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Obama is a post turtle.”
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was.
The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a post turtle.”
The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain.
“You know she didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with.”
Kinda like Sarah Palin.
I guess I'll be writing in RONPAUL.
Failures: forgot to find/replace one "she" and Obama isn't going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, he'd be THE President.
Behold the most stunningingly original content on 4-ch:
Bob Barr is A POST TURTLE!
Post Turtle
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working with cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually, the topic got around to Bob Barr and his bid to be President.
The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Barr is a post turtle.”
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was.
The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a post turtle.”
The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain.
“You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with.”
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There there, keep on telling yourself that. ;)
This board should be renamed Conspiracies.
Foreigners, Don't come to JAPAN!! BEGGERS!!
We JAPANESE hate Foreigners!! Consciousness this!! Stupid Niggers!!
Why such a UGLY black monster come to this beautiful island?? Die!
Black people, Indian, Pakistan, Nepa, they are very bad smell!!
FUCKIN' loser poor country people shit!! Fuckin BAD SMELL MONSTERRRR!!!!!
They come to only to get Japanese YEN!!!!!!!
They all are BURDEN of Japanese society!!!
They will invade fiscal resource of OUR TAX!!!!!!!
G E T O U T O F J A P A N , F U C K I N' F O R E I G N E R S !!!!
>>7 I'm glad to hear that. I want to visit many contrys. One is Japan. When I get there I hope I meet people like you.
FUCKIN RUDE FOREIGNERS ''''''''G E T O U T O F J A P A N'''''''''
You all burden of our life. We hate Brajilian shit.
Almost Russian hate Chinese and Japanese , asian.
They call us 'Chai, Japs,'
So we Japanese do hate Russian,
'Gat out of Japan, ROSUKE'
'What's wrong?'
Every year, many Japanese are killed by Brazilians Niggers.
>>20
enjoy your declining birth rate and 50% shut-in population
I would like you to know to the direction of living in the United States, and it wrote in.
In Japan, the voice of 300,000 people or a question has the killed number in Nanjing truly.
But since this is a taboo, each newspaper company has not taken it up at all.
Also in the comfort-women problem and the occupation prostitute that got wages, proof remains.
By the Nanjing Massacre, it is said moreover [ severe violence ] by the North Korean to a woman.
China report: Korean soldier takes part in the Nanjing Massacre.
The womb is taken out and the head is covered.
GAIJIN, GETOUT! 外人出て行け。交通ルールも守らないクズ。
Need to start hating China and the US Government Faculty. Think about it.
I fucking hate you China. Fuck you. I would have had a country if you didn't fuck with us. Even worse, I fucking hate Hmong people for thinking that Laos, the most stagnant jungle pond in Southeast Asia, is fucking home, and that Vang Pao's action to be Rambo is right. What a fucking joke.
I did some research in my local Internet (french) for threads about Hmong people after reading this one.
France host 25.000 Hmongs, and all I can find are incredibly butthurt threads about how french Hmongs only unite to do parties, or don't care about the genocide.
Interesting to see how throughout continents, the mindset of a tribe seem to be the same. (In that case, that of a disappearing tribe with unconcerned youth).
Hmongs are little brown smurfs.
Hmong people:
Stop watching korean dramas
Stop watching colors and boyz in the hood
Stop watching anime
Enroll yourself in an asian studys course
Dont open your mouth unless you can justify breaking the silence
hey fuck all ya that hate hmong people, you haters dont even know so dont open your cocksuckers and talk shit
hey fuck all ya that hate hmong people, you haters dont even know so dont open your cocksuckers and talk shit
"The Miao believe their ancestral ruler was Si Yao, who was defeated by the first Emperor Huangdi (221-210 BCE) when China was initially unified"
It's hard not to absolutely hate homing people, especially when everyone of them you've ever met has been a stinky, meth smoking, petty crime committing , pieces of absolute shit. The very least the could do is learn to speak our language, take showers , and act like decent human beings.
Change of power comes soon in Japan !
Unko's political report starts !!
(｀･ω･´) Don't pass me that poisoned food, I sing out; even though I damp your
patriotic ardor and the Japanese government's vigorous campaign adver-
tisements for Fukushima farmers; even if they call me the unpatriotic.
(｀･ω･´) Don't pass me that poisoned foods, I sing out; even though I damp your
patriotic ardor and the Japanese government's vigorous campaign adver-
tisements for Fukushima farmers; even if they call me the unpatriotic.
【【【 Breaking News 】】】
(｀･ω･´) I catch a rumor that Daisaku Ikeda (池田 大作), the owner of the
New Komeitom, passed away. The CIA, the FSB, Tang Jiaxuan's men, and your agents
must examine this post.
http://sokanomori.exblog.jp/16833641/
http://be-here-now.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2011/03/post-d3f9.html
http://www.zakzak.co.jp/society/politics/news/20120106/plt1201061543007-n1.htm
http://gendai.net/articles/view/syakai/135704
(｀･ω･´) AIJ Investment Advisors CO.,LTD. stole money for pension.
The estimated total amount of stolen money is about 310
billion yen.
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0321/TKY201203200605.html
http://www.news-postseven.com/archives/20120305_92417.html
http://www.palette-kikin.or.jp/info/04_difference.html
http://blog.livedoor.jp/oomomuke1/archives/51412921.html#
http://nenkin.co.jp/lifeplan-blog/news/archives/2012/02/29-175558.php
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/houdou/2r98520000023wp6.html
http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/article/g=96958A9C93819481E0E3E2E1988DE0E3E2E1E0E2E3E09797E3E2E2E2;at=ALL
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/0202964D:JP
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIJ投資顧問
(｀･ω･´) Hiroshi Nakai (中井 洽), ex-chairman of the National Public
Safety Commission, received a chopped little finger by mail.
蛤(ハマグリ) is a slang; it means Cunt.
http://www.news-postseven.com/archives/20120320_95887.html
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/中井洽
(｀･ω･´) Professor Shugo Watabe (渡部 終五) of the University of Tokyo
has announced his crotchets; he knows how to eat cesium polluted
fishes safely. And there is Tomari(泊) Nuclear Plant. It is the only one
nuclear plant running in Japan now; Harumi Takahashi (高橋 はるみ), the prefect
of Hokkaido, so called Ugly Takahashi, had run it. Nodabuta (野田豚), Nobuta (野豚),
in fact P.M. Noda himself, will run Ooi(大飯) Nuclear Plant in a few days. He will
avail himself of this chance to make money.
http://arita.com/ar3/?p=5303
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomari_Nuclear_Power_Plant
http://news24.jp/nnn/news8811388.html
http://mainichi.jp/select/news/20120406k0000m040134000c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōi_Nuclear_Power_Plant
http://www.sankeibiz.jp/macro/news/120406/mca1204060501000-n1.htm
Faithbook girl
mari0bank@softbank.ne.jp
sugoiyomari0san
WTF! What is this?
【【【 Breaking News 】】】
(｀･ω･´) The Tokyo District Court has passes an acquittal upon Ichiro Ozawa (小沢 一郎)
just now.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20120426/t10014729361000.html
(｀･ω･´) The Tokyo District Court has passes an acquittal upon Ichiro Ozawa (小沢 一郎)
just now. This case may be inappellable unless prosecutors has any new evidence.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20120426/t10014729361000.html
http://www.47news.jp/CN/201204/CN2012042501001727.html
http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/article/g=96958A9C93819695E0E7E2E08A8DE0E7E2E6E0E2E3E0E2E2E2E2E2E2
http://mainichi.jp/select/news/20120426k0000e010182000c.html
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0426/TKY201204260156.html
NEW AND EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!
DEAR 9-11 RESPONDERS, YOU ARE DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER AFTER WORKING AT GROUND ZERO.
DO YOU KNOW THE REAL REASON OF YOUR DISEASE? 9-11 PERPETRATORS DID USE SMALL HYDROGEN BOMBS TO DEMOLISH WTC. YOU WERE EXPOSED TO NEUTRON RAY THAT CAUSED YOUR CANCER.
DEAR PATIENTS OF WTC SYNDROME, YOUR RESPIRATORY PROBLEM IS DUE TO RADIOISOTOPE OF TRITIUM CREATED BY HYDROGEN BOMB. YOU INHALED IT WITH DUST WHICH KEEPS ON IRRADIATING BETA RAY INSIDE YOUR RESPIRATORY ORGANS. YOU TOO MAY BE DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER IN FUTURE. MUST TAKE PRECAUTION.
READ THIS IMMEDIATELY. 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! DON'T TRUST YOUR STEALTH JEWISH PRESIDENT.
I work with a Jew. Is Instant Messenger - Skype IM on the day before the earthquake; from Israel "is the earthquake of Japan all right?" message has been sent.
Is oneself then? Was there an earthquake in Japan? What do you say? I answered with japan is OK while thinking it to be this fellow.
Then we had an earthquake on the next day. It is a surprising thing. Elsewhere several days before an earthquake because "wanted to let the friend who lived in Sendai leave in Israel, there was a message from Israel when sent neighboring maps".
Surprisingly, I is it artificial earthquake? (whether is it an artificial earthquake?) When there was it at time, there was an answer clearly a while ago with yes.
I thought that I was always done by the business material of the person of plot theory when such an accident happened, and all were only deceived, but the Israeli prediction on the day before this earthquake hit it and was surprised because there was a reaction of yes.
By the way, the American knew nothing. Strangely, the Jew who is just in the country though the Jew who is in the country always does online in messengers is offline and cannot take communication.
If Richard Koshimizu knows a person, please tell. I am serious with 911 this time. Oh, is it an artificial earthquake by Judea in this Yahoo brains?
It is deleted for the question. Please tell expert / journalists before this answer is deleted. It is deleted when I write the fact that SOFTBANK remits to North Korea in the Yahoo brains of this notorious Yahoo site elsewhere.
OK, everything here seems perfectly reasonable.
I'm sure I can go down to Costco and buy a ten pack of hydrogen bombs. There also must be four or five used ships for sale at the marina capable of drilling a meter-wide bore several kilometers into the ocean floor in open waters. As you'd expect, these ships come complete with stealth technology and are invisible, etc. I'm sure I can get one cheap! (especially if the invisibility is stuck in the on position!)
There are also many hundreds of jumpsuit-clad henchmen for hire locally. These trustworthy men would never accidentally capture a single frame of evidence and all of them would keep this secret to their graves. It's a tough economy. Jobs are hard to find, you know...
US troops and occupation forces flee Japan, their lackeys flee Tokyo
Posted by benjaminMarch 21, 2011The United States occupation forces in Japan are staging a major strategic defeat because they know the Japanese defense establishment knows it was elements of the US military that set off the March 11, (311) tsunami attack against Japan. This attack used nuclear weapons drilled into the seabed by submarines and not HAARP according to senior Pentagon Sources. In addition, four months ago they overruled Japanese authorities and placed deadly plutonium into the number 3 reactor at Fukushima, according to the governor of Fukushima prefecture. This was to provide a nuclear cover story for the seabed atomic attack, pentagon sources say. Needless to say, the ring-leaders of this attack are now in hiding and know they will be found.
GOOD!
so, citizens, what can we do???
Gaddafi 「watch?v=aggieI4YAVw」
Fukushima Politic Press[watch?v=JD29q06kHLQ&feature=channel_video_title](2:40～)Israel company attacked FUKUSHIMA.
Benjamin Fulford, [watch?v=6lBRiu0ASz4]
Al-Qaeda＝bin Lādin＝CIA
Check out →①―⑩/Fred A. Leuchter/Ernst Zündel/William Lindsay/ Pressac/Paul Rassinier/Burg/Harry Elmer Barnes/James J. Martin/David Hoggan/Thies Christophersen/Arthur Butz/Robert Faurisson/Faurisson affair/Wilhelm Stäglich/Willis Carto/Mel Mermelstein/James Keegstra/Bradley R. Smith
①Hitler・Trotsky・Lenin were Jewish. They had been supported from Rothschild and Schiff. They wanted Jewish resident from Germany to Israel. German has never massacred Jewish people. All lies are always made by dominants.Politic,Media,Police,Economy,Education,Bank,Central-Bank,Prosecution, Mafia, Right Wing ,Religion, Environmental Group, Citizens Group..etc are controlled by Rockefeller and Rothschild. All wars and incidents are their playing gameｓ in their scenarios.
②NAZI had no capacity to kill and disposal 6,000,000 people. Auschwitz had not have chimneys at WW2.(after they built it ) Chimneys are necessity for GAS Execution. They built it at 1940 and executed Jewish from 1943 to 1945.It's impossible. Have they killed 8200 people per day? Nazi had no money for oil and chemical for execution. Nazi used all their money for war. Bush has said 「I should had destroyed all Auschwitz」(Evidence of their lie) Nazi just captured and held Jewish in it.
⑤Jewish like to destroy your organization from inside.(Country ,Company ,Religion , Political Party…)[ Sabbatai] They always dispatch their agent to opposite too. It’s always incoherence to us. Then they like to appoint person as their agent to Jewish, pretending your supporter, hostile minority group. When you vote your political party, you should not support from its party name. But we should study their policy and their relationship. They always try to destroy or overturn your party.
⑥Capitalism is Jewish Slave System. If you have The Right of Print Money and The Right of Control of Gold Price, you can buy everything and dominant all the world. Jewish have all central banks exception Iran and Venezuela. They can buy all National Bonds with nothing…So just print money. But they have interest. That’s exploit your TAX. If they use your Media and Politic..(Jew control), they can exploit you more. We should have 100% civilian owned Central Bank System.
⑦【100% civilian's Central Bank System】National TAX office must have the right of print money and Open Market Operation. Financial Service Agency will have the right of Legal reserve ratio and bank rate. Ministry of Finance will have the right of watch dog and supervise. Simultaneously we should have City or Prefecture Money System. City tax offices have the right print money and Open Market Operation. City Councils have the other decisions. Spy prevention law・restrictions are necessity.
⑧「Word of Human Right」 has been used for propaganda of non-human circle. They like to massacre and war, slave system. They never say anything about the Slave Capitalism, Makino in 1919..etc., Ｔｈｅｙ distort 「human right」 for pretending justice and use in their power game. Pretending Human Right businesses are huge. Jewish and Chinese, Korean…are favorite it. They lie and discriminate against to defeated nation and race, poor nation.
Gaddafi 「http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aggieI4YAVw」
Fukushima Politic Press[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD29q06kHLQ&feature=channel_video_title](2:40～)Israel company attacked FUKUSHIMA.
Benjamin Fulford, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lBRiu0ASz4]
Al-Qaeda＝bin Lādin＝CIA
Check out →①―⑩/Fred A. Leuchter/Ernst Zündel/William Lindsay/ Pressac/Paul Rassinier/Burg/Harry Elmer Barnes/James J. Martin/David Hoggan/Thies Christophersen/Arthur Butz/Robert Faurisson/Faurisson affair/Wilhelm Stäglich/Willis Carto/Mel Mermelstein/James Keegstra/Bradley R. Smith
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Posted by: Heather Meadows, News 12 Web Producer - North Augusta, SC 1:31 PM Apr 2, 2007
It looks like our software not only removes all comments after two weeks, but also trims comment lists once they get past a certain number. I was not aware of this second feature. It may have been added recently due to high load on the server.
This thread is about to go off the site--Wednesday is the two-week point. On Tuesday I will archive the comments like I did with the previous story.
At that point I'm not sure what you should do. We don't have another McDuffie County story for you to comment on. It might be best for one of you to set up a forum somewhere so you can continue this conversation.
Otherwise, if we do get more information on this and post another story, you are more than welcome to return and post here.
If you have further information that might help us follow up on this story, please email it to Laurie Ott.
Posted by: Teacher - McDuffie 8:34 PM Apr 1, 2007
Did anyone here read the articloe in the Mc?Duffie Progress and the editorial in the Thomson Times this week. First of all, the cover up continues. Of coiurse the people at the board office are not go ing to come clean until the threat of losing their job is gone And, as cor Jason Smith at the Thomson Times, we have to hide behind the anonymity of the internet if we want to keep our jobs. We went into teaching because we love it and we love influencing the lives of children. If we speak out publicly, then we get on Petersne or Rhodes list and then our jobs are just a matter of time. Yes, we have the option of going to another county to teach, but we were here when he cane, and we had an excellent school system then. We are invested in this community and do not want to leave. PEtersen needs to go and take the Rhodes couple with him.
Posted by: Thomson Mon - Thomson 8:33 PM Apr 1, 2007
Jason Smith: I read the article in the McDuffie Mirror this week about the BOE indescretions, and this blog as a misrepresentation of the facts. Thanks to your parents for sending you to college to learn investigativr journalism. I'm really sorry the didn't manage to teach you RIGHT FROM WRONG! No matter how you spin it, Mark Petersen was wrong when he used the BOE credit card to charge his wife's air fare and registration. UNLESS he is totally unlike most educated professional people in America today, he had at least one personal credit card in his pocket. Lacking that, he had a debit card for his personal checking account. He did not use personal funds or personal credit becuase he wanted to slide this one by the Board of education. He knew that those same people who are intimidated by his rule in the board office are the ones who would overlook his lack of following the same rules the other BOE employees are forced to abide by. NO other employee would dare do what he has done. They don't even turn in mileage reimbursement checks without odometer readings on them, or reimbursement requests without proper receipts. The other employees know that these forms will be returned unless they are properly documented. Why doesn't Petersen have to abide by the same rules. AND, Jason, he didn't reimburse the money until it was caught by the audit report. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and he needs to do the gracious thing and resign. YOur Mama and Daddy are smarter than that, what happened to you?
Posted by: Informed - Thomson 8:56 AM Apr 2, 2007
Well, according to our local newspaper, Paul LeRoy, one of our esteemed board members thinks there are people in this community on a witch hunt. Imagine that, he actually called Petersen a witch. If the shoe fits, wear it. We have to get rid of the man and his henchmen, and it looks like this will be Paul LeRoy's last term on the board of education. If a witch hunt is what it takes, so be it.
Posted by: parent - Thomson 8:55 AM Apr 2, 2007
To the teacher who posted on April 1: I hope you are not one of my child's teachers with your spelling!
Posted by: FYI - McDuffie 8:35 PM Apr 1, 2007
A planning meeting should have been a "planning meeting" not a meeting with personnel matters but there were personnel matters discussed. What about the undocumented credit card expenses? If anyone other than Petersen had not provided the proper documentation, then they would not be reimbursed. Employees will not go against anything Petersen says because if you do, you will lose your job. You do not disagree with the "MASTER". McDuffie County BOE has become a laughing stock. Everywhere you go, people are talking about how bad things are in our school system. Face it, Petersen, you will never have respect from anyone in this community. BOARD MEETING, APRIL 12TH 8:30 a.m. planning - 6:30 p.m. actual meeting.
Posted by: enough is enough - united states of america 12:36 PM Apr 2, 2007
Thank you my fellow america for bringing this point to light. It seems to me that we are forgetting what this country stands for. We are not under one ruler that can demand that everyone follows their lead or else. This is america, and many lives we lost for the right of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, ect!!!! PeterSIN and Rhodes might have better careers in England.
Posted by: American - McDuffie 9:06 AM Apr 2, 2007
America the beautiful, "The land of the free", The home of the Brave. We have the freedom of speech. We live where the Majority rules. As I read your comments, I feel your fears and understand your passion for democracy. I am exhausted and outraged. I too have, in the very recent past had my own personal issues with Petersen. Some of you have contacted our governor, and Cathy Cox, as have I, to include the BOE in Atlanta but, on another issue. Some of you may be familiar with this, if not, allow me to inform you. One well respected citizen of Mcduffie county of 25 years, who will remain nameless, drove a school bus for Mcduffie County for 5 years and Loved it, she was well liked among her peers and the children who rode her bus. She had a bad day, as we all do, and she responded to a note from her Supervisor, with 3 words, "no profanity" but reguardless she was fired for it. She appologized to her supervisor but Petersen dismissed her anyway. A few months down the road another busdriver was "drinking on the job", failed a drug test, and had a prior drinking charge in the past, but still drives our children today. one of the comments that I read said, "we have the opportunity to get anohter teaching job in another county"' maybe you can, but that bus driver that was fired, tried after being forgiven by her supervisor, attending 2-3 board meetings, writing an official appology, meeting one on one with Petersen and her SUP and practically begging for her job back, but was unable to get her job back. She went to 2 other counties, needing only the "OKAY" from Petersen to began a new bus driver job in a different county, but was informed that Petersen would not give her a good reccomendation. Ask your bus drivers...they know who I speaking of, and they too will tell you what a wonderful, loving person of whom I am speaking of but most of all she was dedicated to the children, and still to this day is trying to work as a busdriver for McDuffie County. America the Free? Where you fear one man, he has the power to take your job from you, the power to prevent you from being hired at another location, the power to allow an unfit driver shuttle our children around, the power to spend the BOE's money any way he wants to, and I don't know about the rest of you, you know I was taught all of my life, everyone has a boss...obviously NOT Petersen. The response that I got in my quest for justice was that the buck stops with Petersen. He has the last say. There is no one to tell. So I ask you, where is the democracy in this, by reading this page I say the majority has ruled, get the man out!!! I mean this is America, Right!!!
Posted by: PeeDee - Atlanta 1:23 PM Apr 2, 2007
I wrote a blog last week suggesting that all concerned parents, teachers and citizens and taxpayers of McDuffie County start contacting the governor and congressmen about the discontent with Petersen. Unfortunately my blog has been removed from the comment column. Some of the readers who did take my suggestion did write the governor, however others are scared they will be traced and lose their job. To the ones who really want to see a difference in McDuffie County you need to consider running for the School Board positions when it is time for new elections. You need a board who will listen to the people; you do not need puppets. Have interested parents who can't be fired make all the contacts. Get the story further than McDuffie County. Contact USA Today or AJC. With all this discontentment and teachers scared for their jobs this cannot be good for the children. This has to have an effect on how teachers are teaching and how principals are managing the schools. Put your energy into action.
Posted by: outsider lookink in - georgia 1:22 PM Apr 2, 2007
I here you can have five or six wives in some countries. Perhaps Rhodes would prosper in Enland or maybe the middle east.
Posted by: Parent - Thomdon 2:04 PM Apr 2, 2007
I just read Heather Meadows comments, and it looks like this forum will end Wed. unless we do something. Each of needs to e-mail Laurie Ott, and anyone else we can think of in the media with an offer to submit actual details along with our name as long as she agrees to protect our privacy. We have to keep the story going until we get the system cleaned up.
Posted by: leroy - frogpond 2:03 PM Apr 2, 2007
Informed. What local paper did paul leroy comment in? It's more like a lynch mob!!
Posted by: Heather Meadows, News 12 Web Producer Location: North Augusta, SC
Here it is: http://4-ch.net/politics/kareha.pl/1175543602/l50
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Posted by: Citiaen Location: Thomson
Heather Meadows: Would you please repost the site where all of the previous blogs are archived. I have It but for some reason I connot copy and paste it to this site.
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Posted by: Thomson Mom Location: Thomson
I am thinking about taking my children out of McDuffie County Schools until the bad apples are removed from McDuffie.
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Posted by: Very Important Location: Thomson
Don't forget the Board meeting next Thursday. Petersen has embarassed and threatened the residents of McDuffie County long enough.
I am so thankful our community offers a choice between private and public education. I attended Mcduffie Co. Schools and graduated in the late 80's. I send my children to the private school here in our community based on the experiences I had attending the public schools. Some of the teachers I had were not qualified to be around children. There actions as leaders and role models to children was far less than I deserved or any other child that was under there leadership. After reading about all the problems with the Mcduffie County School System I am very happy with the choice I made to send my children to the private school.
If you people in Thomson spent as much time praying as gossiping, you would get a lot more done. Let you who are perfect cast the first stone. Gossip is as deadly a sin, just like robbery or murder. There is no ranking of sin in Jesus. You crucify and just do so on Gossip, just like with Jesus. Would you recognize Jesus if He stood by you in ragged clothes, humble with sandals in the winter time?! You would destroy a life just because you think you are right or you just have something to say and start up. Maybe you aren't right. Be careful, you may trade a good superintendent for one you THINK is better, like we have done so many times in government...thinking we would have a better governor or president. As far as knowledge, Dr. P is a christian and attempts to do what is right for the students and staff. He has a history of starting Renaissance and other programs and rewards that are student directed in every town he has been in. Most students and parents love him and his wife who give 200% to seeing they are cared for and recognized. They have provided so much for the children through seeking support when funding was not there. You need to know that if someone goes for the school system to achieve things for the school, then their way should be paid. Of course, they should take their wife if their wife works for the school system to take pictures, give recognition, provide celebrations, etc. How many wives work along side their husbands. Look at Laura Bush and others. I would hope you would gather together and support them and help them help your community and your students. I would hope you would unit so that they are working with you and not you working against them defeating the work they have and will do. If you have a problem go to the source, don't cower behind a gossip column as this.
If you people in Thomson spent as much time praying as gossiping, you would get a lot more done. Let you who are perfect cast the first stone. Gossip is as deadly a sin, just like robbery or murder. There is no ranking of sin in Jesus. You crucify and just do so on Gossip, just like with Jesus. Would you recognize Jesus if He stood by you in ragged clothes, humble with sandals in the winter time?! You would destroy a life just because you think you are right or you just have something to say and start up. Maybe you aren't right. Be careful, you may trade a good superintendent for one you THINK is better, like we have done so many times in government...thinking we would have a better governor or president. As far as knowledge, Dr. P is a christian and attempts to do what is right for the students and staff. He has a history of starting Renaissance and other programs and rewards that are student directed in every town he has been in. Most students and parents love him and his wife who give 200% to seeing they are cared for and recognized. They have provided so much for the children through seeking support when funding was not there. You need to know that if someone goes for the school system to achieve things for the school, then their way should be paid. Of course, they should take their wife if their wife works for the school system to take pictures, give recognition, provide celebrations, etc. How many wives work along side their husbands. Look at Laura Bush and others. I would hope you would gather together and support them and help them help your community and your students. I would hope you would unit so that they are working with you and not you working against them defeating the work they have and will do. If you have a problem go to the source, don't cower behind a gossip column as this.
Why does McD Cty hire racist teachers? That hate people of color? They come here just to make MONEY. Thats it.