I am from Hong Kong, born and raised, but right now I am in the United States for college. I have always been interested in knowing how foreigners think about Hong Kong. So to you guys, is Hong Kong just another place in China for you? Or is it somehow cooler than China, or something?
> Or is it somehow cooler than China
I vote for Hong Kong being far cooler than China.
Having spent a few years living in dorms next to mainland Chinese I don't like them at all. Some of their habits are fucking repulsive.
None of the people I've met from Hong Kong are like this. Even my favorite girlfriend came from there.
I am chinaman
i think Hong Kong is pig disgusting
DOWN WITH CAPITALISMS!!
Never should have given the place back to China. Not for our sakes, not for Hong Kong's sakes, not for China's profit.
>>5
Please provide a list of their repulsive habits that I may use to dehumanise them.
hey i'm not saying all of you! just those uneducated rude country bumpkins that piss me off all the time
>>8
Since you asked, these are things I've seen regularly:
I don't see Hong Kong as China. Don't know about others, but I always see Hong Kong as an extension of China. The better extension. And just as a FYI, you can really tell the Chinese people apart, whether they are from Hong Kong or the mainland China, by the way they dress. HK people definitely dress so much better.
I see HK as a tiny, irritating place full of arsehole taxi drivers between me and the train station out of there. It probably just reminds me too much of western cities
I asan, and don't know too much about Hong Kong except what my cantonese friends have told me, and what I learned when I lived next to a street with 3 dim sum restaurants, but I don't think it's the same as China. Also, I'm addicted to dim sum.
terrorists hate us for our feedom
>>35
It's not a major factor because of lack of political will.
Fortunately.
But one day someone will use them for the lulz, and it will be a sad day.
>>36
that would mean that having nuclear weapons is not worthless.
also, a lie from my childhood: "[America] is a free country".
That we live in a democracy.
Pretty much everything they ever said about drugs and sex in health class.
Just to say, the civil war was fought over the issue of slavery, but it was only an actual war to prevent the south from seceding. The WAR was over keeping the nation together, even though the main issue generating the ideological split was slavery. The war itself was then attributed more directly to the idea of freeing slaves for propaganda purposes (it looks so much nicer than WE DON'T WANT THEM LEAVIN' OUR CLUB BECUS THEY LIEK OWNIN SLAVES BUT WE DUNT).
Actually, a lot of northerners liked the idea of owning slaves as well. It's that "northerner" really meant "urban dweller", and it was inconvenient to own slaves.
Furthermore, while many negros were slaves, there were in fact black slavemasters as well. See:
http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm
for some details about that.
The American Civil War always was about taxation. Washington continued to increase taxes to cover increased armament and social programs that many southerners thought benefitted more urban (northern) populations more. They were probably right, so they formed the confederacy with the goal of seceding from the union, and keeping federal taxation minimal.
>>43
doesn't explain things like bloody kansas and the compromise of 1850.
of course the northerners were horrible people. it was the 19th century, everyone with the exception of a few dozen philosophers and men of letters were human waste. but to say that it wasn't about slavery is a lie.
From whence politic? And why?
To prove my cock is bigger.
>>1
whence means 'from where'
from whence makes no sense
learn grammar you pleb
Politics is sociopathic idiots gaining power over normal people. The rest is details.
rt
this applies more to weeaboos but can be extended to westerners in general.
example: faking of nanking
>>63
Um, why? tell me what exactly nationalism accomplishes? I'll tell you this much: fascism would mean giving up many of the freedoms that supposedly make America what it is. Nationalism is bullshit. It doesn't help and it only makes more of a foreign relations problem.
in closing, i give you a 3/10. you almost made me rage. and don't forget your sage on the way back to your bridge, troll!
:/
Because I live in Tokyo, that's why.
XD
>>67
cool!
so how many 'no foreigner' signs have you seen?
The work is so interconnected at this point that changes in asia have an effect everywhere.
Nobody cares about your fucking politics.
Let me translate some of these posts for our Japanese readers' convenience:
70 Name: Citizenu : 2008-08-06 20:48 ID:Ot+aS6/R [Deru]
Za patrioto acto isu nationarismu
do you expecto me to go rike:
KAWAII OMGU ^^* GIGGURESU <('U')> BE MY GODU OMGU OMGU OMGU
... no, weaboo probokeru... you bringu outo za worsto (butu inu a way, cutesto... i robe a womenu witho anu obsessionu) outo inu eberyone not-asianu
We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.
>>21
Only someone as rich, brazen and muscular as me would be able to keep my success a secret, thus it's true.
>>21
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
SAGE goes in every field.Under your reasoning, Beethoven would never have been borne. Also, many of the causes of high crime have more to do with poverty than with genetics. Poor people will steal and sell their bodies and drugs to make money to eat. period. If corporations don't pay their lower level employees adequately, they dont rise out of poverty. If you live in poverty, your property taxes (which are responsible for the majority of public school funding) are low to non existant. If you have no property taxes, the schools don't get enough money for books or computers. No books in school + being hungry all the time means that school is a waste of time. It is illogical for someone to sit in a building where they are supposed to learn stuff instead of going out and making money (albeit illegally) when the conditions in said room (and in your empty GI tract) make learning impossible. It also doesn't help if your mom and dad where druggies. Theres a huge source of your crime rate. and none of it is caused by genetics.
Western europe lacks the crime problem we have and they don't sterilize criminals or people with genetic disorders. Note that they DO use massive social benefits and welfare to maintain an income floor and maintain a minimum standard of living. Go figure, it results in less crime. Also, we don't call on our best and brightest to sacrifice their lives for this country. If they were really that bright, they would have joined the air force. The army and marines take anyone who can follow orders and shoot. If you are stupid enough to join the ranks of the cannon fodder brigade, you are not the cream of this or any crop.
ITT we accuse others of trolling, then cheerfully suggest that Down's Syndrome defectives whose internal organs are universally so malformed that few live past the age of 25 would make fine infantrymen.
The average age for enlistment is 18. We frequently will let people enlist before that (at about 16 with 2 years of boot camp with parental permission). That leaves 7 years of service. and theres plenty of them that live even longer. i never said they would contribute for a long time. but they could do all the jobs that those of us with normal mindsets find to repetative and boring as they usually dont. 7 years of military service is more than most who sign up put in. and if they start working as stock clergs and manual laborers at 16 (youngest age legally allowed, then u are talking about 10 years of cheap, effective labor. personally, i think that is a contribution. It means we dont have to out source that work and the money stays in the states.
Fuck America.
What? There are always outliers. Of course you can dig through centuries of human history and name exceptions--but those are a very few out of the billions of cases that are not in any way special.
Ask yourself which has more value to mankind:
--Beethoven, a guy who made some music, or
--the virtual elimination of all hereditary diseases.
I'm not endorsing or rejecting eugenics here, I'm just pointing out that "tards have good babies sometimes" is a pretty poor argument.
>Personally I don't think anyone whose household income averages >out to less than $20,000 per person in said household should be >allowed to give birth. ...(snip)... It means poor people cant >reproduce and that children will grow up in a home that can >provide what they need.
So you want to be more like a communistic country?
this is just going to end with many illegal children put into extreme poverty (because according to the state they don't exist)
Babies are going to be born with or without the countries approval, and where do you think these babies will end up when there parents have an income slightly under the legal border?
Socialism is the way to go, every man for himself and we pay the state to take care of the weak.
I certainly am. I also despise democrats and their left wing lies.
>>141 continued
So universal health care is not a pipe dream. It works and it is a smarter use of money than sending our men and women in uniform to the desert to become 6000 years ago and has not had a functioning society since the crusades. Thats their shit to fix. Go figure. Conservatives tend to think its our job to police the world, even though logic dictates that it makes you look like a nosey prick.
As for welfare, its a mixed bag. There really needs to be an income floor. Welfare (ie the dole) is a lousy system but its better than what they do in third world countries (let the people starve). If you want less welfare, make more industrial jobs and actually start producing things. It is the government's job to do things like wellfare to protect the average citizen's right to live (by providing them the bare necessities of food, shelter, clothing, and water). The problem is in the job market. This issue is not a matter of "feeling whats is right" but rather an arguement over what is the government's responsibility.
as per your claim about giving everyone 100,000,000, we coulda have done that for 3900 people each year for the past 6 or 7 years we have been in iraq, instead of fighting this pointless war by diverting said money out of the military. Each year you could have raffled it off to a different 3900 people by social security number. no THERE is a fucking stimulus package. Thats not inflation as it isnt minting more money but rather diverting funds. and you better believe that is 20 homeless dudes just got $100,000,000 tomorrow, they would be spending like a mofo, which in turn, means more jobs and more money in everyone elses pockets.
>>142 continued...
So thats what we outta do.
-Shrink the military budget down to 90 billion a year
-out of the remaining 390 billion, take 90 billion aside for social security
-take another 200 billion aside for national health care
I'm with you on slashing military spending dramatically. We spend more than the rest of the world combined and we don't even have any neighbors capable of harming us. But raffling money away? Not only would that never happen, but it's a bad idea. Just lower taxes across the board with the money saved. You don't need 200 billion annually to pay for health care. Most Americans are already paying private insurance companies for coverage, or getting it diverted from their wages. With single-payer healthcare, we'd actually save money on the increased efficiency. The taxation on increased employment would easily offset any additional initial costs. Not only that, but you could see up to 2% economic growth per year as well as the health care industry expanded. All that shit can be taxed.
We'd need to do something about the doctors throwing pills at everything, though.
I don't know if you noticed, but people tend not to spend the money they get from tax cuts. They save it. That's why tax cuts don't work. And if you dump 250,000$ on a bunch of people do you really expect them to spend wisely? I'm sure you've heard about what happens to lottery winners. How they end up worse off then they ever had been. They live beyond their means and pay for it when they run out of money.
We've already got a lot of people trying to live beyond their means thanks to our consumer culture. You couldn't give those people money and expect them to use it in a manner that would actually help them in the long run.
In theory a Nationalized Health Insurance Company might not be such a terrible idea. But where would these people go for health care? One would assume that those with money and better health care plans would have the priority for treatment and ultimately get better treatment in the end. Those using the State owned system would have to wait their turn.
Or would the government open hospitals or clinics to deal with these clients? Would Student Doctors be treating these patients?
> Welfare (ie the dole) is a lousy system
It doesn't have to be.
I quite like how Australia's Centrelink works: cheating them is a bit of a chore; it's easier to just get a job already (and more lucrative).
>>145
Ok so when it comes to tax cuts everyone is a saver, but when it comes to spending money everyone spends excessively? Not only have you neglected to provide any sources, but your facts change all within the same paragraph.
This reminds me of Morton's fork, another catch 22 used as an excuse to levy heavy taxes.
"The expression originates from a policy of tax collection devised by John Morton, Lord Chancellor of England in 1487, under the rule of Henry VII. His approach was that if the subject lived in luxury and had clearly spent a lot of money on himself, he obviously had sufficient income to spare for the king. Alternatively, if the subject lived frugally, and showed no sign of being wealthy, he must have substantial savings and could therefore afford to give it to the king. These arguments were the two prongs of the fork and regardless of whether the subject was rich or poor, he did not have a favourable choice."
I never said a damn thing about tax cuts. Most people don't save tax cuts. They use them to pay their bills, like i did. We cannot afford anything but what we already have. Those who get a decent sized tax cut are quite well off.They usually already make enough to pay their bills. They do, save their tax cuts.
Raffling the money away would never happen. I agree. It makes too much logical sense to happen. I care very little how the people spend their 250, 000. The point is for them to spend it, not save it. Thats why it would stimulate the economy. They would spend it. People who win the lottery live beyond their means because they quite their jobs. they do this because the ammount is big enough that they think it will last forever. a sum of 250,000 is not big enough for anyone to think they can live off of it. The lottery sydrome happens when you give someone 10Million dollares. 250k is barely enough to buy a nice house or pay off most of your bills and go to las vegas or disney. You, know. The things we want people to do with it.
As for nationalized health care, Yes, the government should open hospitals and clinics. The government should also open up Medical schools that accept anyone who passes the exam. This would actually drum up some doctors. Currently, the number of licensed doctors is artificially low because the boards that offer admittance to medical school purposely limit the number so they can keep their income high and their skills in demand.
>>140
So very accurate, there's a reason every nation on earth that is successful has some degree of capitalism and social within it's economic structure. Libertarians and Commies are the most childishly naive people on the face of the planet.
People these days like to buy a lot of things on credit. And I'm sure you've seen plenty of people who own expensive cars but live in shitty homes. People that have to have the iPhone or whatever gadget of the week it out but are swimming in other expenses.
They buy a bunch of shit and then use their "free" money to pay off the debt they owe for it.
>>150
If you want to force certain people not to make stupid financial decisions you have to apply the same rules to everyone else. If you think that taking money out of people's hands so it's harder for them to spend on alcohol and strippers and having the state pay for all their insurance is a good idea remember that YOU will be treated the same and have to pay heavy tax also. For intelligent people with lots of money it's better just to leave it all to market forces. They're not our equals so why should we be brought down to their level?
Everytime I see elections on the news, they never talk about real issues, they talk about personalties and other stuff.
do you think so?
So is there another nation that holds elections in the same spirit as the US? Maybe France?
(Interesting about FDR, i thought he contracted polio after he took office. But apparently it manifested in 1921 while vacationing in New Brunswick, and might have actually been Guillain-Barré syndrome. He did take care not to be seen in a wheelchair though)
>>13
Okay yeah my attempt to model this is dqn as fuck and my head is full of cottage cheese.
I would really like to see some sort of explanation for why american political discourse is so terrible, though.
The president of the United States, contrary to your statement, is NOT directly elected by the people. Rather, the people vote for electors, who in turn convene as the Electoral College to actually elect the president. As a result, unlike in other countries with presidential systems where a single nationwide campaign is effective, in the US, presidential candidates must campaign state-by-state. Combined with the fact that inspection of a calendar allows determination (barring constitutional changes) of the date of every presidential election through at least the year 3000, this results in the absurdly long campaigns that have become the calling card of US presidential politics.
It is a horse race. 80% of the coverage is either strategy for taking the lead or telling the public who's in the lead. At least in a circus, it's about the performers. We have a fucking NASCAR race to the White House.
If the elections were American Idol, America would give a fuck.
We just don't care so long as we get our bread and circuses.
Obama wins, US goes down the hill.
McCain wins, (likely) world war III or long series of smaller wars (Iran, North Korea, Russia + Belarus).
Choose the people! Problem solved!
How can we get along with people or government, who lie without any hesitation?
Despite the scientific facts and meetings between both countries, Chinese officials announced pesticides were rarely contaminated in china and blamed for the Japanese govermnet, who have just showed every investigated results.
1.pesticide was found inside the dumplins in the unbroken packages.
2.In Japan the pesticide, Methamidophos are not in the market, only stored in the laboratory, while in China they are sold just outside the food factory.
3.the composition of the pesticide indicates it was produced outside of Japan, because it contained considerable impurities. In Japan, there are only 100 % pure Methamidophos, because they are just stored in the laboratory.
4. the pesticide contaminated dumplings were imported to several different Japanese ports in the unopen boxes and unbroken packages.
yeah everyone knows only chinks lie about what they put into food
Tipical Chinese
ttp://iiichan.net/boards/news/src/1208598298629.jpg
no china is not. i know, i lived there for 12 years. OLD BARSTARDS RULED
You're buying from a third world country, expecting good quality for cheap prices is stupid.
O'rly?
> Canada is lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.
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This thread is for Lain, with love.
Potential for what, pray tell? Everyone around the world except us ignorant americans knows that since it's creation as a nation, Canada has been one of the leaders in global peace keeping missions. They do spend less on their military than anyone else but thats because they dont waste their resources fighting anyone. notice how you never heard of terroists in canada until after Harper became PM in canada and started backing hawkish ambitions. Instead of blowing their money on troops to fight countries that pose no realistic threat to their interests, Canada uses their money to pay for services on their people. Yes the waiting list for life or death surgery in canada is long but it is here in the us too (ask anyone who needs a heart or kidney) but everyone gets a general checkup. you can go to any of their physicians if u break a leg and taxes cover that. u know, we could do the same thing if instead of spending $360 billion on a military budget a year - not countnig the extra spending bills for the war. just the standard average military budget in america - (as opposed to Britains equivalent of $40 billion as the second most expensive military) we could spend, say $80 billion on military, still be twice as big as britains military, and have $280 billion dollars. That would cover a pretty good basic national health care plan to go along side privatized health care for those with auxilary insurance dont you think? Thats where canada's, switzerland's, Sweden's, and Netherland's "potential" goes. into their National Interest aka the purpose of their government in the first place.
>>50 notice how you never heard of terroists in canada
wat
I would love to see Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin gang raped by HIV positive rape gangs in South Africa.
I like how you take only half of that sentence. If u read thoe whole thing, I said, "notice how you never heard of terroists in canada UNTIL AFTER HARPER BECAME PM IN CANADA AND STARTED BACKING HAWKISH AMBITIONS". See how different that staement is. Name one incident of terrorist cells being found in canada BEFORE Harper was Prime Minister. The operative phrase there being "BEFORE Harper was Prime Minister".
tl;dr Failed strawman arguement is fail
>>53
I like how you're blissfully unaware that the FLQ was active in the 70s and 80s, but Harper is Prime Minister now.
You said "notice how you never heard of terrorists in Canada until after Harper became PM."
Everyone who was paying attention is already quite aware of the rather long and bloody history of the FLQ, thank you very much, who were bombing police stations and shooting postmen when Harper was still wearing short pants.
Indeed, someone here reeks of EPIC FAIL.
Republicans are FAIL
Democrats are FAIL
Neocons are FAIL
Socialists are FAIL
America is FAIL
touche on the flq. i should have specified foreign terrorists. obviously if you are trying to overthrow the government of the country you live in, you are aware of it. but the only terrorists. i meant foreign terorists. obviously domestic terrorism cannot be avoided by isolationism. but foreign terrorism can. pre harper, Canada had not had to deal with foreign terrorism.
Actually Canada burned the white house last time you thought it was a good idea not allowing them to exist.
>>57
That was after we sacked and torched their entire capital. America does it one better as usual.
>>57,58
The burning of York was arson by American soldiers, the burning of Washington was a deliberate act of vengeance ordered by British commanders.
Almost every public building in DC was torched; the only reason the entire city was spared is because care was taken not to burn private estates containing civilians.
> America does it one better as usual.
If you had any shame, you'd understand why your statement is laughable, crawl into bed, and curl in a fetal position.
Mine's gotta be the massively scoped Patriot Movement. A brief rundown:
It kinda almost makes sense as an allegory or something, but people believe these things exist.
Come to think of it, have you seen the Clinton Death List?
Every death is a suspicious death.
I have this weird feeling that all of the things we learned at the school about history of mankind are fake or at least only half true. You know, things like pre-diluvian civilizations, the creation of planet earth, the shape of the continents, humans living with dinosaurs and all of those things.
>>30
all becoz our world is SO....uncertain.....i guess...we thought we as humans are great thinkers but we know our world to like
'misty' in form.
One of my favorites is that there are holes in the north and south pole (?) and that the world is constructed by NASA which tries to cover up the holes
>>33
Google for "hollow Earth." Seriously. There is a fair amount of stuff out there about this rather odd idea, most of it completely serious.
Supposedly Hitler was a hollow-Earth believer, which my explain why so many of the people drawn to the idea also add to it a bunch of even weirder stuff about hidden Nazi UFO bases deep inside the Earth.
Supposedly the UFOs get in and out through the big holes in the North and South Poles, which are hundreds of miles across. Any satellite imagery you've seen that doesn't show them is only proof that the government doctors all the satellite imagery to hide the truth, and that proves it's all true. See? Some people also add to this stuff about a hidden secret Nazi UFO base on the Moon.
And some people mix this stuff up with mangled third-hand half-remembered science fiction stories like "The Shaver Mysteries," which you can also find if you Google for them, which are stuff about ancient psychic aliens and alien psychic robot torture machines hidden in caves deep within the Earth, which drive surface-dwelling humans crazy by sending them migraine headaches and bizarre nightmares.
>>20
former smoker here.
not pointless. rather good for calming yourself down. it makes you a little light headed and less tense. i am glad i never became a chain smoker though
Exercise does that too though.
Not to mention that exercise, diet and enough sleep makes an individual more resilient to stress and less likely to feel stressed in the first place.
Smokers are people who caved to peer pressure over something dumb when young. There is no deeper meaning or use.
According to MAJESTYTWELVE the Knights Templar have become the driving influence at the highest levels of all the secret societies among the adepts known as the Illuminati. The most accessible font of their influence will be found in the (Cecil Rhodes) Roundtable Group (The Group), The Royal Institute Of International Affairs, the Church of Saint John the Divine in New York City, the Council On Foreign Relations, the Jason Society, the Skull and Bones Society (Russell Trust), the Scroll and Key Fraternity, the highest Degrees of the York and Scottish Rites of Freemasonry, the Ancient Order of Rosae Crucae, and many other secret societies which collectively make up the modern equivalent of the "Brotherhood of the Snake" also known as (a.k.a.) the "Guardians," the "Builders," the "Philosophers of Fire," or the "Illuminati".
The Philosophy of the Mystery Schools is the Luciferian Philosophy as espoused by General (Christopher) Albert Pike, one of the founders of the KKK. But it is not his original thought... he just expounded upon it in forms that eventually became accessible to those who seek it out. Christopher means Christ-like. To the adept, Albert Pike achieved a mystical apotheosis in the Lodge of Perfection and brought forth the Christ within. He thus became Christed taking on the name Christopher.
Watch "StarTrek" from the beginning episodes up to the present, and you will begin to realize that it was an indoctrination into the concepts of socialism through subliminal initiation of the youth of the nation. The Captains James T. Kirk (JTK = K(nights) (of the) T(emple) (of) J(erusalem) and Christopher Pike are symbolic salutes to the Order of the Templars, and to the Brotherhoods greatest philosopher and probably its most prolific writer the Christed General Albert Pike. The Enterprise represents their great work or plan which if navigated properly will lead them to the realization of their dream of a united socialist utopian world.
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Luke falls in love with Lea and begins a sexless, but spiritual relationship with the Princess. This mystical union produces the child HORUS (falcon headed God) which, in the movie, is personified in the illumination of Luke transforming him into an Adept or Priest (Jedi Knight - Sun Son - Adept - Reincarnated Osiris - Apollo - God - Doctrine). He embarks upon a Quest in the Millenium (saviors always return at the millenium) Falcon (Horus as savior) to rescue Princess Lea which results in a confrontation with Vader who imparts knowledge (Intelligence - Fire) resulting in Luke finding the Holy Grail (Bloodline, Identity, Lost Word, Obelisk, Penis, Creative Force, apotheosis). With this knowledge he succeeds in reuniting (uniting in marriage) the Force (doctrine) with Princess Lea (Church) which reestablishes the Order of Jedi Knights (Congregation - full body of Adepts or Priests - sixth root race - evolved and matured mankind - God Race, Horus) producing chaos, rebellion, and the establishment of the New Dawn on the horizon (Horus Risen), the New Age, the New Atlantis, a New World Order, the socialist utopian world.