Politics @4-ch

The second debate between P.M. Aso and JDP leader Yukio Hatoyama came yesterday.

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　　　　　 　 i　　 (･ ）｀ ´( ･） i,/ 　　financial resources!
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The second debate between P.M. Aso and JDP leader Yukio Hatoyama came yesterday.

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　　　　　　　.i /　 ＼　　／　 ｉ　）　　Over 100 persons kill themselves everyday now!
　　　　　 　 i　　 (･ ）｀ ´( ･） i,/ 　　Leading cause of death is self-killing in Japan!
　　　　　　　ｌ 　　　（__人_）.　 |　　　　Half of 20s' cause of death is suicide!
　　　　　　　＼　　 　｀ー' 　 /　　　　　　　One third of 30s' cause of death is suicide!

Five ghosts had donated money to Yukio Hatoyama. (｀･ω･´)
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http://mainichi.jp/select/seiji/news/20090616k0000e040045000c.html

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　　　　　　　.i /　 ＼　　／　 ｉ　）　　We will examine the kwaidan tales.
　　　　　 　 i　　 (･ ）｀ ´( ･） i,/ 　　And thanks for their love and kindness
　　　　　　　ｌ 　　　（__人_）.　 |　　　　over the years.
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　　　　　　 ／ ／ノノノノノ ） ﾉ

(｀･ω･´)　A hard blow hits P.M. Aso! His Minister's scandal comes to light again!
　　　　　　　Kaoru Yosano, Finance Minister and Financial Services Minister and
　　　　　　　　Economic and Fiscal Policy Minister, had recived money from commodity
　　　　　　　　　futures trading companies when he was the competent minister of
　　　　　　　　　　the business.

http://jp.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idJPJAPAN-38706620090624

There must be resignation of Aso Cabinet when Yosano resigns from his posts.

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　 　 　 　 　 　 /三 ,　'´￣￣｀´￣￣｀ヾヽヽヽ 　　

Five ghosts had donated money to Yukio Hatoyama. (｀･ω･´)
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http://mainichi.jp/select/seiji/news/20090616k0000e040045000c.html

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　　　　　　　.i /　 ＼　　／　 ｉ　）　　We will examine the kwaidan tales.
　　　　　 　 i　　 (･ ）｀ ´( ･） i,/ 　　And thanks for their love and kindness
　　　　　　　ｌ 　　　（__人_）.　 |　　　　over the years.
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　　　　　　　　｀７　　　 　 　〈　　　　Also phantoms love me!!!
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　　　　　　 ／ ／ノノノノノ ） ﾉ

(｀･ω･´)　A hard blow hits P.M. Aso! His Minister's scandal comes to light again!
　　　　　　　Kaoru Yosano, Finance Minister and Financial Services Minister and
Economic and Fiscal Policy Minister, had recived money from commodity futures trading
companies when he was the competent minister of the business.

http://jp.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idJPJAPAN-38706620090624

There must be resignation of Aso Cabinet when Yosano resigns from his posts.
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　　　　　　　 l彡/ 　,,,　 　　　　　 　 ,,,, ,　 i l l l l 　　

Five ghosts had donated money to Yukio Hatoyama. (｀･ω･´)
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http://mainichi.jp/select/seiji/news/20090616k0000e040045000c.html

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　　　　　 　 i　　 (･ ）｀ ´( ･） i,/ 　　And thanks for their love and kindness
　　　　　　　ｌ 　　　（__人_）.　 |　　　　over the years.
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　　　　　　 ／ ／ノノノノノ ） ﾉ

New official figures of employment situations have come from the Statistical Department
of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications.

The numbers of workless are soaring lately. (´･ω･`)

http://www.j-cast.com/2009/06/30044313.html
http://www.stat.go.jp/data/roudou/sokuhou/tsuki/index.htm

(｀･ω･´)　Ryouichi Kabaya （蒲谷 亮一）, former Mayer of Yokosuka-Shi, had had full stretch
support of Junichiro Koizumi; the 87th, 88th and 89th Prime Minister. Koizumi gave a campaign
speech at Yokosuka, his sticking place, in 9 years. But Kabaya couldn't have his reelection.
Why?
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(｀･ω･´)　Ryouichi Kabaya （蒲谷 亮一）, former Mayer of Yokosuka-Shi, had had full stretch
support of Junichiro Koizumi; the 87th, 88th and 89th Prime Minister. Koizumi gave a campaign
speech at Yokosuka, his sticking place, in 9 years. But Kabaya couldn't have his reelection.
Why?
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lol China

hmongs stink and they should be our slaves. fuck all hmongs

too bad you gonna have to live in hell th rest of your life. fucking dumbass.

YES WE CAN

Gosh wat a dumb hater...Hating on your own kind

How do you even pronounce "hmong"? And what is it anyway?

Oh wait, I don't care.

White skin , Yellow skin , Brown skin , Black skin, Red skin.... i don't gave a damn. GOD is your father. We're all brother and sister, let's join hand.

I can't tell the difference between a Hmong and a Chinaman, you'd best start getting along so you can concentrate on your manufacturing or we'll take our money and technology to India instead. The freight will be a tad more expensive but at least they have the sense to learn a real language.

Another one who needs an ethnic identity... forget about nations and think of people instead.

>>16

Jews aren't white. They are like Slavs. Niggers in disguise.

>>1

No one cares about the Hmong people. Shittiest race on the face of this earth. And they smell bad.

>>145
Ok so when it comes to tax cuts everyone is a saver, but when it comes to spending money everyone spends excessively? Not only have you neglected to provide any sources, but your facts change all within the same paragraph.

This reminds me of Morton's fork, another catch 22 used as an excuse to levy heavy taxes.

"The expression originates from a policy of tax collection devised by John Morton, Lord Chancellor of England in 1487, under the rule of Henry VII. His approach was that if the subject lived in luxury and had clearly spent a lot of money on himself, he obviously had sufficient income to spare for the king. Alternatively, if the subject lived frugally, and showed no sign of being wealthy, he must have substantial savings and could therefore afford to give it to the king. These arguments were the two prongs of the fork and regardless of whether the subject was rich or poor, he did not have a favourable choice."

>>145

I never said a damn thing about tax cuts. Most people don't save tax cuts. They use them to pay their bills, like i did. We cannot afford anything but what we already have. Those who get a decent sized tax cut are quite well off.They usually already make enough to pay their bills. They do, save their tax cuts.

Raffling the money away would never happen. I agree. It makes too much logical sense to happen. I care very little how the people spend their 250, 000. The point is for them to spend it, not save it. Thats why it would stimulate the economy. They would spend it. People who win the lottery live beyond their means because they quite their jobs. they do this because the ammount is big enough that they think it will last forever. a sum of 250,000 is not big enough for anyone to think they can live off of it. The lottery sydrome happens when you give someone 10Million dollares. 250k is barely enough to buy a nice house or pay off most of your bills and go to las vegas or disney. You, know. The things we want people to do with it.

As for nationalized health care, Yes, the government should open hospitals and clinics. The government should also open up Medical schools that accept anyone who passes the exam. This would actually drum up some doctors. Currently, the number of licensed doctors is artificially low because the boards that offer admittance to medical school purposely limit the number so they can keep their income high and their skills in demand.

>>140
So very accurate, there's a reason every nation on earth that is successful has some degree of capitalism and social within it's economic structure. Libertarians and Commies are the most childishly naive people on the face of the planet.

>>147

People these days like to buy a lot of things on credit. And I'm sure you've seen plenty of people who own expensive cars but live in shitty homes. People that have to have the iPhone or whatever gadget of the week it out but are swimming in other expenses.

They buy a bunch of shit and then use their "free" money to pay off the debt they owe for it.

>>150
If you want to force certain people not to make stupid financial decisions you have to apply the same rules to everyone else. If you think that taking money out of people's hands so it's harder for them to spend on alcohol and strippers and having the state pay for all their insurance is a good idea remember that YOU will be treated the same and have to pay heavy tax also. For intelligent people with lots of money it's better just to leave it all to market forces. They're not our equals so why should we be brought down to their level?

I'm economically socialist, socially extremely liberal. Let me lay out what that means.
Economically, I think that government regulation is very necessary, even if the regulation is lax. Redistribution of wealth is very necessary for a healthy and strong economy, but not to the point of a perfect even distribution like that in communism. It's as simple as this, if your paycheck is 3000 a week, your taxes should be higher than the guy who makes 500 bucks a week. I don't think, however that the money taken from Mr. 3000 should be directly given to Mr. 500, but instead should be pumped into the economy, education, green energy development, etc. I think the Government should exist to give everyone the same opportunities, and to raise the GDP (another reason I'm not a totally communist), a high GDP=high earnings and therefor there is less need for redistribution of wealth. Most of the government budget would be funded towards colleges, schools, science funding, green energy production and energy efficiency, increasing earnings down the board, job opportunities, etc. I'm a huge political geek I guess, I've looked over 90% of the federal budget, and revised it myself, and I've also looked over Obama's budget, and found it to be far more similar to mine (although far from the same in many areas). I've gotten the budget to a 50 billion dollar surplus per quarter. The tax increases were minimal, and limited. Mainly by readjusting spending to different areas and introducing many new, small taxes was what did the trick.

Socially, I'm extremely pro-freedom. I'm not held down by "tradition" that Republicans/Conservatives are so concerned about almost to the point of ignoring most other matters (like previous Coloradan Representative Marlyn Musgrave, who said that homosexuality was the greatest challenge the country faced in 07 I think, maybe 06). That means that if I had a choice about it, gay marriage would be legal immediately, Stem Cell research would be Government funded, etc. Although I do however take a slightly more conservative view of Immigration, it would be more difficult to enter the country if I had my say about it, illegally or legally.

Social Security is the first slippery steps to communism! Next thing you know there will be national health care and America will be no better than those cheese eating surrender monkeys in France!

> America will be no better than those cheese eating surrender monkeys in France!

Some might don't realize a nation does not surrender for the same reasons a human would for a task. A human would surrender for psychological reasons, which can involve logical evaluation. A nation surrenders when it is not benefical to do otherwise; and every nation would surrender once that is realized, therefore, in these grounds, America and France stand equally.

It was beneficial for the state to conscript all French men aged 18-45, instruct them to report to local police stations or remaining military installations to organise into para-military units, declare anyone who provides services or material aid to German troops to be a collaborator to be punished by summary execution by any French citizen with the means to do so and declare that the French civilian state can no longer function due to German occupation and full sovereignty over all of France is now in the hands of the French military and unconnected para-military groups which will be in a state of total war against Germany until they agree to an unconditional surrender.

>>146

It's not all that hard. Australia hands out $83 billion a year in social welfare and we only have 20 million people.

I am >>15.

While I don't want to derail the thread with a simple argument here, I think it is proper and civilizaed that I answer some of the points here.

>>16 already helped me a lot, and I thank him for that, but I still stand by >mutual slaughter ... is human nature too...

If anybody wants something somebody else has and is not willing to part of willingly (be it ANYTHING, material or even abstract, like happiness), the most likely chain of events won't be negotiation or diplomacy, it will be force. You don't have to look all that far to realize that. Happens everyday in Irak or on the streets, and the only thing that stops current wars from starting is the fact that human weapons are so powerful, that it will lead to irreversible damage to mankind.

If you want further proof, just look at children. They are "innocent", in the sense that they are humans in their most basic and primal behavior. What is most likely to see when a boy wants a candy from this other boy that won't give him any? Either crying (which is a lame response hinting at how much humanity has devolved) or violence. Of course, violence isn't reduced to physical violence. Verbal will do as well to prove my point.

I can't see why there wouldn't be capitalism in anarchy and I think every "anarchosocialist" is a hypocrite based purely on this fact. Think about it, if there isn't any goverment, what will make sure that people exist happily ever after by sharing willingly what is theirs to everyone without goverment intervention. What will put down the people trying to form their own businesses if people just aren't nice enough to share everything. All I can see is a mob of poor weed-smoking punks beating everyone up if they don't hand them their food and thus we have a hierarchy of some sort. I don't like the government and I would be glad to see it's downfall. I just wish that the fascists would stop disguising themselves as anti-government.

My big problems with anarchism stem from the fact that it is, for the most part, wholly workerist.

It preaches freedom while fetishising 'the worker' and making a cult out of labour.

I prefer the model of society engendered by taditional societies. You hunt or gather when you need to eat, you weave when you need clothes and when you don't need to work you rest or play.

All forms of collectivism tend to end up in the work camp, calling it 'a collective farming project' doesn't change what it is.

Capitalism is the perfect economic system because it is the most adaptable, the only thing stopping you from having anarchy or a socialist economic system is the fact that it is less desirable than the alternatives so you can't compete, at most you will get a few hippy communes here and there but even they pale in comparison to religious communities such as the Amish and Mormons.

I am totally aware of the evil capitalists in top hats smoking cuban cigars with with watches on gold chains throwing orphans out into the snow, but I don't care. The economic efficiency of corporatism and state capitalism outweighs the inequality by an enormous margin and that's why you can't overthrow them, unless you can come up with an economic system more advanced than the entire bulk of sophisticated institutions capitalists currently use to run the economy you will never convince educated people with economically productive jobs to join the revolution.

>>22

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Anyone see The Gods Must Be Crazy?

See, Anarchism worked for the tribe in that film because they had nothing to fight about and everything that they owned was easily found in the surrounding land. There was no unique property.

Unless these anarchists are willing to give up their possessions, it will never ever work.

>>23
That's not a compelling argument, it seems I have crushed you in debate. Hooray, I guess.
>>24
So if you were in that tribe and someone just walked in and started trying to sausage your poop hole you'd let him because you believe your body isn't your property and you have no right to stop him from using it? Or do you just enjoy that kind of thing?

if there's no laws to prevent some guy from raping you up the butt then there are no laws preventing you from killing him for it.
of course if he's much bigger than you and there are also no laws preventing him from killing you then you are screwed.
better to just keep the laws against rape and murder.

Citizen, not all anarchists are absolute idiots like the group you've met. They are indeed a dissappointing lot...
There are many anarchist who aren't retarded 20-something year olds from DC, and they live truly to their beliefs. The faggots you came accross are just liberal-shit kids being trendy and rebellious. They don't know what the fuck they're protesting. (I'm also from DC)

>>26
A power structure is unavoidable, with this in mind and comparing modern society to society even just 50 years ago let alone the vicious medieval monarchies if old it seems we have already achieved a sort of egalitarian utopia.
>>27
Well, where are they?

democracy
freedom
equality!

and whatever shit

all i know now is one word: HYPOCRICY!

>>71
And you don't even know it right.

Well...

"If you become gay, you'll lose all of your friends"
"If you take drugs, you'll become a junkie"
"Listening to punk rock music will turn you into a thug."
"Playing too much MegaDrive will make your eyes square"

My parents have since realised that listening to the Daily Fail's parenting "advice" is stupid.

Jews/niggers are people.

nuclear bombs have a chance to set the atmosphere on fire

>>71
You knowledge is highly doubtful when you can't even spell it correctly.

Lies huh?

How about this swine flu epidemic?

Actually, it's pointless to mention "lies" or what we think to be lies here. What is true is that when you get skilled at something, for example economics, you'll learn the tricks of economics. Same for marketing, politics, other sciences and stuff. So... be knowledgeable.

>>57
Wow, what a totally deluded and insane view of the world.

>>78
I read it and I must agree.

>>78,79

I agree as well, but I'd still rather buy that crazy man a drink than anyone else in this thread, with the exception of buying one for myself.

>>51

I like how you take only half of that sentence. If u read thoe whole thing, I said, "notice how you never heard of terroists in canada UNTIL AFTER HARPER BECAME PM IN CANADA AND STARTED BACKING HAWKISH AMBITIONS". See how different that staement is. Name one incident of terrorist cells being found in canada BEFORE Harper was Prime Minister. The operative phrase there being "BEFORE Harper was Prime Minister".

tl;dr Failed strawman arguement is fail

>>53
I like how you're blissfully unaware that the FLQ was active in the 70s and 80s, but Harper is Prime Minister now.

You said "notice how you never heard of terrorists in Canada until after Harper became PM."

Everyone who was paying attention is already quite aware of the rather long and bloody history of the FLQ, thank you very much, who were bombing police stations and shooting postmen when Harper was still wearing short pants.

Indeed, someone here reeks of EPIC FAIL.

Republicans are FAIL
Democrats are FAIL
Neocons are FAIL
Socialists are FAIL
America is FAIL

>>54

touche on the flq. i should have specified foreign terrorists. obviously if you are trying to overthrow the government of the country you live in, you are aware of it. but the only terrorists. i meant foreign terorists. obviously domestic terrorism cannot be avoided by isolationism. but foreign terrorism can. pre harper, Canada had not had to deal with foreign terrorism.

Actually Canada burned the white house last time you thought it was a good idea not allowing them to exist.

>>57
That was after we sacked and torched their entire capital. America does it one better as usual.

>>57,58
The burning of York was arson by American soldiers, the burning of Washington was a deliberate act of vengeance ordered by British commanders.
Almost every public building in DC was torched; the only reason the entire city was spared is because care was taken not to burn private estates containing civilians.

> America does it one better as usual.

If you had any shame, you'd understand why your statement is laughable, crawl into bed, and curl in a fetal position.

I sincerely hope that woman gets assassinated. Like, really. REALLY. REALLY REALLY REALLY. Really. Really, really.

I wish nothing but the worst of pain for that woman and her kind.

If Mccain wins then Ann Coulter will assassinate him so that Palin will be president.

Live the American dream...move to Canada.

Isn't gay marriage legal in Massachusetts?
That and I think the Presbytyrians are more tolerant of gays.

>>4

Presbyterians are actually the more conservative denominations, if anything the only denomination i know of that announced support for gay marriage were the anglicans, and even then it was only the episcopal diocese of new hampshire or something like that

Well if memory serves some church had ordained a gay bishop, so surely they would allow gay marriage?

>>6

Only within that group and within that church that allows gay marriage. It would probably be better if the OP were to join a pre-existing church group that does not frown on gay marriage.

fag

CofE ftw.

>>8
You can leave anytime now.

fags

Well, from what I understand the states of Connecticut and Massachusetts allow same sex marriages and soon the states of Iowa and Vermont will to.

>>1

Your new church won't make a difference. Egyptian pharohs married their sisters to keep their holy blood pure, but you don't see anyone in the US allowing that just because some religion demanded it. Mormons married as many women as they could find (and still do...), but you don't see anyone in the US allowing that just because some religion said so.

I suspect that as soon as you try to claim that you should be allowed to marry because your church said so, the bible thumpers in power will backpedal on their theocracy and insist on "seperation of church and state"... just like they always do, whenever it makes the theocrats look bad.

Very briefly:
Back in the day in small rural communities a few nice white kids could get drunk and lynch a nigger and the sheriff would buy them a round.
Some people didn't like this arrangement for whatever reason.
They couldn't get things done at the state level through law enforcement reform because the state legislatures happen to be full of those old sheriffs.
So they went to DC, where the guys in power are rich noblesse oblige sorts. After a series of debates these folks decided that the best way to handle it was to send a fucking swarm of suitjacketed sunglassed feds to wherever a dark-skinned corpse floated up, with the intention of having them stare the local police down into action and, if not able, to completely wreck their shit and take over the matter themselves and send the perpetrators to federal PMITA prison. Doing so required some sort of crime, so they made killing black people for being black people a federal crime.
As time goes on, similar problems pop up in areas where there's one group with a near monopoly on political power who doesn't much like another group in the same area to the extent of some individuals randomly killing others. The laws have been extended to cover these.

It occurred to I, >>3, that I should probably state more directly the idea: it's not because crimes motivated by group identity are intrinsically worse than those motivated by other reasons, the government doesn't care about that philosophical shit; rather it is to ensure justice in situations where it may be denied.

A regular run-of-the-mill crime is one committed directly against a person or persons, whereas a hate crime is intended to not only directly victimize someone, but in the process harass or intimidate an entire class of people, making victims of all of them.

So, >>5, the law does protect whites and Russians from terrorism? There are, today, plenty anti-white, anti-asian, and other crimes. Are they treated fairly or neglected because "hate" is based on race (and gender or sexuality)?

The problem with trying someone for a 'hate crime' is that it's entirely based on intent. Was John Doe murdered because he's a homosexual? Was he murdered because he angered the wrong person? Was it just a random act of violence?
I don't believe it matters because whatever way you look at it it's still murder and a crime. Except in the cases where it's self defense, civilian casualty, or capital punishment.

>>7
Why hate crimes are a problem has been explained quite well in >>5

>>6
As I've stated in >>2, hate crimes supposedly also cover whites from hate crimes against whites, Russians from hate crimes against Russians, and so on. Wether or not this is always applied in your country, I do not know. But it's true that some ethnies and religions are prompt to call the hatred crime even when it's not one, because there is a bigger stigma on those so it makes the affairs more important.

Also hate crimes aren't always murders. There are other kind of crimes.

>>8

Getting drunk and lynching a nigger is already a crime.
Covering it up is a crime, too.
So is supplying minors with alcohol.
Possession of cocaine is also apparently a crime, but those rich DC guys don't seem to think so when their kid's are caught doing it.

> There are other kind of crimes.

Bullshit. No way. Impossible.

>>9

> Getting drunk and lynching a nigger is already a crime.
> Covering it up is a crime, too.
> So is supplying minors with alcohol.

Those are state crimes which are handled by the local police. Which wouldn't handle them. Congrats, you've completely misread my post. Try again.

>>5
Like Robin Hood? Does a hate crime always have to be related to race and sexual-preference, or could it extend to economic classes as well, or other possible classes such as political parties?
What worries me about 'hate crimes' is that the definition can mean anything, given a savvy prosecutor, making the punishment for a crime of any kind harsher for whatever reasons they may happen to have.

>>11
Yes, it always has to be race-related. Specifically race, color, religion, or nation origin. Currently, there is legislation up to extend this to sexual preference, and it is a big democrats vs republicans issue.

That is just federal hate crime laws. State hate crime laws exist as well.