Politics @4-ch

Politics @4-ch

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1: itt succintly describe your political views (60) 2: Why does the US need to get rid of the euro (5) 3: I will tell you the worst part of the world we're living in, and I advise you read to the end. (6) 4: Estonia joins UN migration pact (2) 5: TRAPS AREN'T GAY (5) 6: Peter Zeihan (1) 7: ★NIGGERS, PAKI, PELUVIAN, INDIAN, BRA, GET OUT OF JAPAN!!!★ (84) 8: Christopher Bollyn: Making Sense of the War on Terror (2) 9: [CCCP] Soviet Joke Thread (14) 10: It's okay to punch a Nazi (4) 11: Kanye West will run for president in 2024 as a republican (3) 12: Are you a political radical? (15) 13: Doug Jones beats Roy Moore! (2) 14: Okra Windbag - Anointed to Rule (4) 15: [Counting] Days Since Last Donald Trump Mention [Part 1] (69) 16: Majority my ass (6) 17: Is this true?? (2) 18: when a buisnessmans tweets amuse you, so you use numeric ouji to summon a chaos god to elect him as (7) 19: I hate nigger lol (2) 20: Hahaha oh wow (14) 21: 【 Search for the Truth in Terrorism 】 (32) 22: what happened yesterday (3) 23: fox new fires Bill O'Reilly for sexual heresy! (1) 24: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN http://fart.ga/ !! (1) 25: North Korea: Kim Jong Ill trying to compensate for something... (17) 26: Cheney's an asshole what else is new (4) 27: Drug experimentation? (70) 28: ITT: Historical Revisionism (7) 29: Post your magical dream government (12) 30: Illegal Immigration solution (28) 31: Bush should be impeached (20) 32: ITT we ponder japan's superiority (68) 33: ITT We share our rather unsavory political beliefs. (7) 34: ITT We Complain about Abe (8) 35: Board Cleanup (8) 36: The Japanese truth that I must accuse (1) (8) 37: Homophobia - most tolerated prejudice? (26) 38: Your Views on the theory of the APOCALYPSE. (13) 39: ZOG is watching (4) 40: Illuminati (3)

itt succintly describe your political views (60)

1 Name: Citizen : 2008-04-05 06:22 ID:VWfll08f

if it's possible to sustainably provide basic needs like food and housing and medical care for every human, i want that done.
there are a few issues in the personal realm which the state has a legitimate reason to act on (e.g. Fair Housing Act in response to neighborhood segregation in the United States). for everything else, people should look after themselves and those they love.
capitalism doesn't offer useful choices.

51 Name: Citizen : 2018-03-18 04:28 ID:H5rsn7H4

Neoliberal Globalist

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53 Name: Citizen : 2018-04-01 06:58 ID:0Db2lurD


54 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-29 11:29 ID:cHAxfDID

this is a good ID and a good post

56 Name: Citizen : 2018-07-07 04:01 ID:iKckkAeS

i too am a spamocrat

57 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-07 02:54 ID:gzU39Xw+

Seeing politics in an ideological manner is Pleb-tier at best. You should change your politics according to the situation. I don't like fascism and would prefer Christian feudal monarchs as per the Early-High Middle Ages, but fascism is a lot more helpful (partly because of how versatile it is) right now than feudal monarchs will ever be, not until the inevitable collapse of Western society a la every other civilization to come before it.

58 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-09 02:29 ID:4WTCfkmZ

> Seeing politics in an ideological manner is Pleb-tier at best
> I... would prefer Christian feudal monarchs as per the Early-High Middle Ages

idk buddy, sounds to me like you're quite the ideological crusader

59 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-15 05:41 ID:7SXrMU0r

I'm a libertarian, so I don't think there should be a state, because it is illegitimate.

60 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-15 05:42 ID:7SXrMU0r

I'm a libertarian, so I don't think there should be a state, because it is illegitimate.

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Why does the US need to get rid of the euro (5)

1 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-05 02:43 ID:ocLdAGKW

> Seventy-one years ago, the Axis powers lost WWII, leaving the US with the demanding task of managing its victory and defining a new global architecture. The US did this by setting up ambitious institutions, such as the Bretton Woods system and NATO, and by supporting the European integration project. Institutions have much inertia, which while favoring stability, may prevent vital change in response to evolving situations. This explains both the success of many political projects, and their ultimate fall. The same applies to European integration.
>NATO and European integration shared the strategic goal of creating a cohesive alliance that could withstand what was at the time perceived as a credible threat: the Soviet Union. They were successful. NATO (not the EU) secured almost six decades of peace in Europe, while economic integration was a key to prosperity in the former world leader, Europe.

2 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-05 02:44 ID:ocLdAGKW

>Then something happened. The Soviet system collapsed, which among many other things, brought back to the fore what had for centuries been the root cause of much suffering: the difficult relationship between France and Germany. Berlin-wall panic suggested the nonsensical and impossible goal of European political union. The worst possible way was chosen to pursue it, namely by forcing it through establishment of a European monetary union. No democratic or even meaningful political process can take place in an area which does not share a language or national identity. Yet, despite advice to the contrary from prominent US economists (ranging from Feldstein to Krugman), a hasty marriage of convenience between France and Germany, with the single currency as wedding ring, was seen as necessary in Europe in order to avoid intra-European conflict. Much has been written about whether building a political house starting from a monetary roof was actually a mistake. Like any economic choice, the euro affected the distribution of income, creating losers and winners. The latter of course cannot bring themselves to consider it a mistake. While opinions on this point may differ, everybody agrees that as of today the euro is failing.
>The reason for its failure is the same that put the Bretton Woods system out of its misery: both institutions fostered external imbalances, though for different reasons. The original sin of the Bretton Woods system was to adopt the currency of a state as the world currency. The euro’s original sin was to adopt the currency of no state as a regional currency. Their common flaw is fixed exchange rates, that prevent balance-of-payments adjustment. If, for whatever reason, this mechanism is hindered, it must be replaced by something else. The relatively long life of the Bretton Woods system was secured by financial market regulation and by the vision of its leader, the US. These two things are missing in the Eurozone, where unfettered capital movement is fostered in the absence of any regional supervising institution, and where the regional leader, Germany, is patently obsessed by the very short-sighted aim of increasing its external surplus as much as possible.

3 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-05 02:45 ID:ocLdAGKW

>This Wille zur Macht is now backfiring. Keynes’s proposal at the Bretton Woods conference gives us good insights into what is happening. Keynes proposed to settle international trade in a supranational currency, the Bancor, issued by a world bank, which would charge an interest rate on negative and positive Bancor balances. The rationale for this apparently unfair symmetry (why force a creditor to pay interest, rather than earning it?) is that international debtors and creditors both benefit from international finance: thanks to international lending, the former can buy goods they otherwise could not afford, while the latter are able to sell goods that would otherwise remain in stock. By proposing such perishable money, a currency that by design could not be a store of value, Keynes aimed to discourage mercantilism, i.e. the temptation to hoard international assets rather than reinvesting them in the world economy, thus mitigating the potentially destabilizing properties of fixed exchange rates. The euro obtained the opposite result. Its rigidity fostered mercantilism both by helping redirect trade to the benefit of core countries, whose currency is undervalued in real terms, and by preserving the value of their net foreign assets.
>But the supposed winner of the euro game, Germany, is now at a dead end. If it wants to keep the Eurozone alive, Germany must accept the very loose monetary policies run by the ECB. Ironically, Keynes’s negative rates are coming back in disguise, putting strain on the Eurozone banking and pension systems, especially in Germany. On the other hand, a tighter monetary policy would give relief to the creditors, but for the very same reason would lead the debtor countries to immediate collapse by making it difficult to service the debt. Any illusion that fiscal expansion could solve this conundrum must reckon with the fact that the countries needing fiscal stimulus, i.e. the Eurozone peripheral countries, are the very same countries where an increase in income would bring about external deficits, again fostering the imbalances that caused the crisis.

4 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-05 02:46 ID:ocLdAGKW

>Germany romped to victory by manipulating the forex market (as the US Treasury recently recognised), but must now choose between losing everything at once (through the collapse of its debtors) or little by little (through zero or negative interest rates). In the long run, irrational economic choices have no winners: bad economics cannot be good politics. What should have united Europe is now dividing it. The United Kingdom is going, and continental Europe must now choose between increasing confrontation or surrender to German hegemony. The US, like any global player, must reckon with the evidence that the euro has unnecessarily revived the German question, which it was meant to prevent.
>If the US decides that it is in its best interest to deal with a politically divided, economically failing, socially unstable Europe, then supporting the euro is the best option. After all, the divide et impera (divide and rule) principle secured a former Empire some five centuries of existence. If instead the US feels that a politically and economically healthy Europe could be a key partner on the global stage, then it should promote a controlled end to the euro. Undoing the euro will be costly, though less costly than its alternative, which is protracted stagnation of the European and hence the world economy, and the growing risk of a major financial collapse. Secular stagnation and zero interest rates are not a result of some remote astrological circumstance: they are mostly the effect on the global economy of using wrong European rules to manage huge imbalances accumulated due to flawed European institutions. Although Europe is declining, it is still too big to fail without causing great trouble in the global economy.
>No matter how much political capital is invested in it, the euro will fall, as top US economists predicted. The most likely cause will be a collapse of the Italian banking system, which will take the German one with it. It is in the interest of any political power, certainly of the declining European leaders, and probably also of the US, to manage this event rather than passively await it.

5 Name: Citizen : 2019-01-06 21:37 ID:Heaven


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I will tell you the worst part of the world we're living in, and I advise you read to the end. (6)

1 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-11 18:02 ID:e1E9YbGk

>everyone keeps shitting themselves over baseline gender politics
>nobody aware enough of autonomic intelligence feedback loops controlling the market, and the market moving to a content marketing method, which means the market is mainly selling narratives, which means autonomic intelligence feedback loops are selling narratives, which means literal fucking abstract mathematic algorithms are in charge of the proliferation of culture since religion is fading out and there's no longer a common cultural narrative, so fanatics turn to neo corporate idolatry, and the marketers don't realize they're playing with fire and sooner than later a crowd of disgruntled fanatics are going to come close to, if not outright kill someone like the frenchies back in 08

Things are so much worse than you could possibly imagine.

Okay so back in the day, some computer nerds made machines that would take in a bunch of outside data, process it, and try to predict the future. To fund it, they predominantly sold the information to people who wanted to buy and sell stocks. Enough people started doing this that they started making the machines send out stock reports themselves, which other machines took in as data to further sell, buy, and report on stock themselves.

This eventually created a massive feedback loop of stock data being managed by autonomic intelligence (not the same as artificial intelligence) that outright blocked the human element, and right now the open secret is that the market is out of human control. If anyone tried to remove these data loops, even one out of sync chain link could cause the world economy to collapse over night.

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2 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-11 18:03 ID:e1E9YbGk

So basically, in tandem with this technology, the internet happened and a load of marketers started moving to "content marketing", which is the idea that the product and the marketing are the same thing and that you're selling a lifestyle story, which is why if you pay attention, most companies that used to just sell a product have made massive investments into media space. This is fine in and of itself, the 80's had a similar version of this. The problem is that easy proliferation of consumer data reaches autonomic intelligences, and they begin to report on what kind of narratives sell vs what ones dont. Simple, right? Well, not really. Y'see, we live in a post hypernormalisation world, a soviet term for a propaganda that keeps things are something when the reality is different. When you mix in marketing and propaganda with feedback loops, and add on top of that google's ad program that essentially bubbles people into feedback loops, and only give them what they want to hear so you can sell them something, it basically creates mass psychological dissonance between different groups of people that, consciously or not, have their life's context formed around media narratives. It's one reason why the social justice stuff is hitting so hard now despite the fact that america is an otherwise pretty prosperous country with no major problems causing anyone to starve.

Anyway, the implication is that you basically have cultural narrative context being created by literal abstract machinations who may or may not be intelligent. That's no good, cause there is no moral parameter to stop the data from trying to get everyone to kill eachother. See, people keep thinking the robot revolution's gonna be like terminator, but it's gonna be more like the shining.

3 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-11 18:03 ID:e1E9YbGk

So people have their lives contextualized by inhuman machinations, which, okay, its pretty bleak but not outright destructive, right? just a bunch of consumers being taken for a ride, right? Well no. Y'see, the consequence of religion more or less falling out of style in the public consciousness is that there's no longer a single cultural narrative. So you just dont get to see tim at sunday school, so what? Well the larger point of contention is that there's always been a considerable percentage of any population that gives way to fanatic behavior, which in antiquity usually meant religious fanaticism. But if the narrative of religion is weakened, and the only alternatives to narrative are autonomically generated content marketing narratives too shallow to really make a lifestyle out of, you run into a phenomenon where a percentage of the population essentially migrated between brands in a pseudo idolatrous methodology. When you really come down to it, a fanbase is literally just the same thing as a cult, they both act as a community that bring people together to discuss a specific narrative. Except the religious ones actually at least try to offer the illusion of being beneficial to society at large, while the autonomic models are there purely for profit and offer hedonic sensory overload to compensate for any shallowness.

Did you ever stop to think about how we live in a world where a bunch of people do crazy shit over cartoons, harass people, send death threads, sell cars for sauce, etc? Do you really think that's just normal behavior? No! those sort of people would've been in a fucking monastery a couple hundred years ago, they're fanatics, pure and simple. Nothing wrong with being a fanatic if its constructive, but these narratives dont have that interest in mind.

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4 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-11 18:03 ID:e1E9YbGk

One could argue that we have too much freedom of choice when it comes to information about narratives, and its actively harming this society. The russians use avant garde techniques in their propaganda to give their population so much bizarre data to sift through they just conform with no real goal in mind, the chinese just censor and have less overall data fed to their population. But americans simultaneously have too much data, and too little diversity in the data, making it easy for context to corral them into a specific mindset. And all it takes is a pair of eyes to see that the current mindset for american populations is apathetic vs messiah complex murderousness

The silver lining is I think that these marketers dont know they're playing with fire. I don't think its entirely out of the question that some day soon a crowd of angry people will actually lynch content creators for not towing their own narrative complex, and very soon they may begin to live in fear. People think this sexual harassment stuff is a big happening, but I think its only going to be a drop in a larger bucket that'll be the 2020s.

If not apocalyptic, they'll be interesting times.

5 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-13 01:46 ID:Heaven


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Estonia joins UN migration pact (2)

1 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-27 18:56 ID:olmOoe+X

Estonian Parliament (Riigikogu) adopts a declaration in support of the UN Compact on Migration. 41 members votes in favour and 27 against. The Reform Party didn't participate.

2 Name: Citizen : 2018-11-28 07:06 ID:wpwKAUvL

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1 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-12 17:22 ID:0ZIvJ4TT

are there people who actually thinking sucking dick is gay?
you're sharing protein
you're admiring masculine physique, being in the vacinity of other high testosterone males increases your own testosterone
eating pussy is gay because you're literally slurping down estrogen. and long term relationships have been proven to lower testosterone.
spartans had gay orgies all the time and they were the height of masculinity. you bet they were at least fondling eachothers test producers.

all these summer DYEL's piss me off. their twink bodies don't understand, but in time i'm sure they'll get it.

2 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-12 17:33 ID:1GFigA36


If not, liking traps is gay and traps (people who're dressing as women to get fucked by men) are gay too.

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4 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-14 16:34 ID:nd9TaP/D

Ooohhhh they aaaarree, because it's unnatural.

You want protein? Eat eggs or yogurt.

5 Name: Citizen : 2018-08-24 16:06 ID:BAgRIr/J

What if all fashion went unisex one day? Would this just sort of go away?

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Peter Zeihan (1)

1 Name: Citizen : 2018-07-14 23:22 ID:nd0QVTKf

Is he worth listening to? His politics blog seems ok

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1 Name: TojoHirohito : 2010-09-08 16:04 ID:2bb+nAhp

Foreigners, Don't come to JAPAN!! BEGGERS!!
We JAPANESE hate Foreigners!! Consciousness this!! Stupid Niggers!!
Why such a UGLY black monster come to this beautiful island?? Die!
Black people, Indian, Pakistan, Nepa, they are very bad smell!!
FUCKIN' loser poor country people shit!! Fuckin BAD SMELL MONSTERRRR!!!!!
They come to only to get Japanese YEN!!!!!!!
They all are BURDEN of Japanese society!!!
They will invade fiscal resource of OUR TAX!!!!!!!
G E T O U T O F J A P A N , F U C K I N' F O R E I G N E R S !!!!

75 Name: Citizen : 2016-11-07 14:13 ID:tOMrYCM5

dicks out for Harambe

76 Name: Citizen : 2017-03-14 14:15 ID:6+NHi6xp

dicks out for Harambe

77 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-06 20:03 ID:7FM+n2Gl


78 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-09 22:57 ID:Heaven

(2006) Public Blue - Kansai Kouen

79 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-13 19:41 ID:yKXAPySg


80 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-13 21:35 ID:yKXAPySg


81 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-23 11:01 ID:yKXAPySg

go home, gaijin scum

82 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-23 19:31 ID:DMfN+zVj

  ∧_∧ フー
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  ∧_∧ ゴルァ!
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83 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-27 00:00 ID:+/Mfe8dX

it's d*cks out for koko now

84 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-28 21:22 ID:DMfN+zVj

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Christopher Bollyn: Making Sense of the War on Terror (2)

1 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-21 21:51 ID:G6MuTmKO

2 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-22 02:47 ID:Heaven

I hate nigger lol

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[CCCP] Soviet Joke Thread (14)

1 Name: Citizen : 2018-01-12 00:34 ID:Fv/Vos5k

Two men walking the street in Moscow.
One says to the other "Is this it? Are we fully communist now? Have we achieved full communism?"
The other says "Oh no, things are gonna get a whole lot worse!"

5 Name: THIS_IS_NOT_A_JOKE : 2018-05-07 00:34 ID:7CjbEWMG

Who is posting this highly insulting dirty jokes about the best country in the world?

The grandson of a high-ranking KGB retired spy.

6 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-07 00:46 ID:7CjbEWMG

While they were evil soviet spies, they sure were smart

7 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-08 19:22 ID:J7e5DUpI


8 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-17 13:18 ID:2fi1kcrT

9 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-23 15:23 ID:Heaven



10 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-06 15:27 ID:2fi1kcrT

11 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-09 14:07 ID:2fi1kcrT

fuck ussr
fuck kgb
fuck american commies

12 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-09 14:27 ID:Heaven

Alfred Rosenberg


13 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-10 21:16 ID:Heaven

fuck Julius and Ethel Rosenberg

burn in hell commie

death to communism

14 Name: Citizen : 2018-06-13 03:58 ID:mb/ZNoKe

Great jokes!

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It's okay to punch a Nazi (4)

1 Name: Citizen : 2017-10-30 23:30 ID:5yBO5vRt

It's okay to punch a Nazi

2 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-17 13:05 ID:Ed0kBf3C

Ahmed, I know you are in Karachi ATM, but please back home to London, our kids are starving!!!

3 Name: Citizen : 2018-05-19 18:31 ID:Ed0kBf3C

(☞゚∀゚)☞ Actually I am in Islamabad

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