Why do we allow stupid people to vote, why are stupid people allowed to run our countries? Is democracy not broken?
Would it not make more sense for all governmental positions to be decided based upon a persons qualifications/intelligence/achievements in their field rather than an arbitrary popularity contest where the majority of the voters can barely understand the most basic political issues?
Can we not at least restrict people's right to vote based on intelligence?
I don't want my country's leaders to be decided by the pond scum of society.
> Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) is a general test of adult intelligence (i.e., an IQ test)
A foken IQ test? No.
>>23
There sure is no "the best" system as there always might be a better one. Democracy is just a word, there are many ways to run a democracy. In my humble opinion, expanding democracy to all aspects of a country will work best. Of course, that only works with reasonably educated people but that's not that hard to reach. Just make every kid go to school and make sure that the school system produces a maximum of fairly intelligent citizens. There is no need to keep 80% of the people dumb as we do today.
Once this was done, you can establish a new system based on pure democracy. This means, running every aspect of a society democratically: economy, government, etc.
> There is no need to keep 80% of the people dumb as we do today.
You've no idea about economics. Economics keep a country alive; a country won't do something bad for iself. Giving everyone in a country decent education would be a disaster; In particular, that country would eventually be defeated by a country with more morons than itself.
>>1 If "stupid people" couldn't vote than no one would be able to vote. Everyone has blind spots, it's the collective voice of all the "stupid people" that makes a democracy work.
>>18 The electoral college is just another way of discounting our voice in the country. We think it's democratic, but it's bureacratic.
Stupidity is a democratic right? Why don't you undemocratic dogs move to Iran or North Korea if you hate democracy?
What ignorance.
Libertarians were also involved in a board that warned of the potential for disaster and proposed a privatized upgrade that would have prevented it.
Statists break your leg then charge you to fix it.
Yikes. Some of you [American] people don't seem to know your history. Literacy tests and poll taxes, among other things, have been used throughout US history specifically to keep free Black men and women, as well as other immigrants, and poor whites from voting. This abstract discussion about systems of government and whatnot is nice, sure. But it's not even necessary in the context of American politics (excuse me for being American-centric, here). We already know that "intelligence tests" could be very easily used in the same fashion-- that is, to serve a political purpose and to prevent certain groups of people from casting their votes.
With the unfortunate campaign finance system we already have in place, using "intelligence tests" to remove even more power from the individual is pretty frightening.
Restrictions on voting based on intelligence are problematical at best; however, prohibiting those who do not pay federal income taxes from voting (specifically in federal elections) makes perfect sense.
At present, almost half of Americans pay no federal income tax. What this means is that we are becoming a nation of freeloaders; a nation where, someday, the people paying the bills will have no say in how their money is spent.
All republicans are SOOOOO stupid, I think we should only allow libertarians and liberals to vote.
What about people who work 120 hours a week for minimum wage, but don't have high enough pay to bother taxing? Are you saying they are lazy freeloaders who don't deserve the right to vote?
Change of power comes soon in Japan !
Unko's political report starts !!
(´･ω･`) Rumor says Dr. Inamori's wife is the 4th daughter of Dr. Woo Jang-choon. Woo was an
Korean-Japanese. Inamori is a teacher of the Prime Minister of Japan now...
Dr. Kazuo Inamori (稲盛 和夫）, famous entrepreneur, the king of the Kyoto business world, who
built KYOCERA Corporation and DDI (the forerunner of KDDI CORPORATION). His ways of management
base on the INAMORIism (稲盛イズム). INAMORIism has both followers and antis.
You had better save these pages in your PC. The government of Japan has public censors of the
Internet in fact. I'm afraid might be deleted by power that follow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Jang-choon
ttp://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/禹長春
http://global.kyocera.com/inamori/management/amoeba/index.html
http://antikimchi.seesaa.net/upload/detail/image/inamori_map3-thumbnail2.gif.html
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/稲盛和夫
(´･ω･`) Rumor says Dr. Inamori's wife is the 4th daughter of Dr. Woo Jang-choon. Woo was an
Korean-Japanese. Inamori is a teacher of the Prime Minister of Japan now...
Dr. Kazuo Inamori (稲盛 和夫）, famous entrepreneur, the king of the Kyoto business world, who
built KYOCERA Corporation and DDI (the forerunner of KDDI CORPORATION). His ways of management
base on the INAMORIism (稲盛イズム). INAMORIism has both many followers and many antis.
You had better save these pages that follow in your PC. The government of Japan has public censors
as sub-organ of the MEXT (the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology)
in fact. They use Child Porn Problem as their pretexts for their Internet Censorship. Many sensors
are believers of Souka Gakkai, I suppose. I'm afraid that rumor might be deleted by power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Jang-choon
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/禹長春
http://global.kyocera.com/inamori/management/amoeba/index.html
雲孤
雲孤 means a flowing cloud.
(´･ω･`) Sonobe's confession watered illing claims by aliens in Japan for vote and voted same as
Japanese, within them that was boil.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100219/plc1002190020000-n1.htm
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100219/plc1002190026002-n1.htm
http://abirur.iza.ne.jp/blog/entry/1467498/
(´･ω･`) Then Yukio Edano (枝野 幸男), the Minister of Rebuilding Ministries, rose up and talked.
What he said poured oil on the dying flames within them. His poisoned words catches aliens
and they cannot walk on the right way still now... Is he shit soil??? His words shall
soil our future.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/election/100305/elc1003052035001-n1.htm
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/枝野幸男
(´･ω･`) Sonobe's confession watered illing claims by aliens in Japan for vote and voted same as
Japanese, within them that was boil.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100219/plc1002190020000-n1.htm
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100219/plc1002190026002-n1.htm
http://abirur.iza.ne.jp/blog/entry/1467498/
(´･ω･`) Then Yukio Edano (枝野 幸男), the Minister of Rebuilding Ministries, rose up and talked.
What he said poured oil on the dying flames within them. His poisoned words catch aliens
and they cannot walk on the right way still now... Is he shit soil??? He must be blamed.
His words shall soil our future.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/election/100305/elc1003052035001-n1.htm
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/枝野幸男
(´･ω･`) Sonobe's confession watered illing claims by aliens in Japan for vote and voted same as
Japanese, within them that was boil.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100219/plc1002190020000-n1.htm
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100219/plc1002190026002-n1.htm
http://abirur.iza.ne.jp/blog/entry/1467498/
(´･ω･`) Then Yukio Edano (枝野 幸男), the Minister of Rebuilding Ministries, rose up and talked.
What he said poured oil on the dying flames within them. His poisoned words catch aliens
and they cannot walk on the right way still now... Is he shit soil??? He must be blamed.
His words shall soil and spoil our future.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/election/100305/elc1003052035001-n1.htm
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/枝野幸男
(´･ω･`) Their birthday gifts in advance brought Sadakazu Tanigaki (谷垣 禎一), the president of the
Liberal Democratic Party (Jiminto Party), to desolation. The LDP is divided against itself.
Tanigaki is 65 now.
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/situation/100306/stt1003060201001-n2.htm
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/谷垣禎一
(｀･ω･´) Our go-to guy, Sizuka Kamei (亀井 静香), the party leader of People's New Party (Kokumin Shinto),
current Minister for Correction of Postal Service Privatization and the Financial Services Minister!
Our what a guy! His party will grow soon, through the next House of Councilors election!
(｀･ω･´) Kamei deserves to win! Nation gives him hip, hip, hurrah!
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100303/plc1003032010016-n1.htm
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/situation/100303/stt1003031820009-n1.htm
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/policy/100305/plc1003052019025-n1.htm
(´･ω･`) Around 70 aliens waiting deportion have started hanger strike to protest against treatments of
sick persons at the West Japan Immigration Center (西日本入国センター）. 3 days have passed...
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/news/20100311-OYT1T00448.htm?from=main6
http://www.47news.jp/CN/201003/CN2010031101000230.html
http://ryukyushimpo.jp/news/storyid-159074-storytopic-1.html
>japanese president visiting the shrine honouring the war criminals of WWII
Prime Minister, and the Yasukuni Shrine is not a shrine for war criminals, but a shrine for all soldiers over the years that fought for Japan (including Koreans and Chinese), as well as a shrine for all soldiers who died for their country. Originally the shrine excluded war criminals. However, to a large degree many war criminals in World War II in the Pacific were exempted from trials because of agreements between General MacArthur and the war criminals, exchanging human testing data for exemption.
>no money paid for the damage done (how much would you pay anyways for 20Million lives?)
Also false, Japanese have paid money to both China and othe nations it invaded during World War II. However these reparations were made largely to the governments and economies of the nations, and not to every individual person.
>always hiding the truth and denying the truth
Also, several prime ministers have delivered direct apologies, I guess they weren't good enough, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
Japan does not deserve it's good reputation.
Iran denies holocaust = bad
Japan denies own mass murder of civilians = no one cares
http://rotten.com/library/history/war-crimes/rape-of-nanking/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWimmKifOs&eurl=
↑Background of the 1993 apology to comfort women
Here is a video with English subtitles giving
a background to the apology and admission of
“coercion” in the 1993 Kono statement on comfort women.
The video makes it clear that the government never had
any evidence to suggest that there was coercion,
and that the Kono statement was based on uncritical
acceptance of testimonies and the feeling that such
things might be possible in war time.
We should investigate thoroughly all Chinese and Korean insistence .
they are completely lairs .
OK. This is probably waaaay off topic but here I go.
I see alot of China-flaming in this thread, about the government and all, but when you think about it, most of the products we use are manufactured there, and why? Because the government keeps the currency value low, though it's risen considerably over the past few years, it's still relatively low. And because all of us are benefitting from this, it kind of like betrayal now that you're attacking the country that made your life the way it is now. Unless you don't buy anything that comes from the mainland, you don't really have a leg to stand on when you're arguing about how bad its governing is. Also, what makes you believe that the media coverage that China gets on its, quoting >>61, "pseudo-Stalinist tactics like artificial famines, extensive prison camps, and indiscriminately violent police and military personnel." aren't exaggerated, if true? Unless you've been to China yourself and have seen solid evidence of that happening [though I've seen the latter on the news], your argument is totally void IMO.
Having said all this crap I'd like to state that I'm a neutral observer, and I'm not trying to argue in defense of the CCP in any way, but if there IS any news about the brutality of the Chinese regime, it would've gone through us [Hong Kong] before it reached you [wherever you are]. I've been in the mainland several times recently, and in none of these visits did I see anyone looking like they live in total, constant, perpetual fear of being prosecuted if they said anything to offend their "dictators". None of anyone I've seen kissed CCP ass. No one shouted Communist slogans [though I've seen banners displaying slogans encouraging certain activities, eg. safe driving]. Not a single one of my tour guides, SUPPOSEDLY mouthpieces and spies for the Communist government, tapping in to every anti-government statement that us tourists made, did anything like take notes, persuade us to "love the motherland" or anything like that. I'd say the picture of China that the media paints in most of your minds is, despite being to some extent true, grossly exaggerated, brutal and just ugly in general.
There are chinese people in yasukuni shrine??
12. "I pressed the wrong number"
13. Because "Allah akbar!"
14. He's black, yet he hasn't been (caught) stealing cars or shooting people. Peacefulness must be seen in the context of his circumstances.
15. "Free Nobel Prize with four orders of General Tso's Chicken" promotion at Hunan Garden that week.
17. Because of affirmative action, obviously, that nigger.
19. Because he doesn't like sixteens. (yes, it's to you >>17 ;) )
20. Because he has a small penis.
21. The king of Norway wanted to see one of those funny American negroes
22. To dramatize his hipocricy. He is going to have to say "This is not what I want!" He is a pathetic scapegoat. Big reaction is needed.
so exactly how racist is Japan? how do different races such as koreans, chinese, flips, indians and blacks get treated?
i'm considering going to a university there and I wonder if I'll get pissed upon for being a dirty chinese.
>Japan isn't any more racist than your average European nation
You must be North American or live under a rock. Europeans are very very racist.
I worked on a TV show once titled Globe Trekker/Pilot Guides/Lonely Planet). In this show, an adventurer is sent to a country in the world with a small camera crew to experience life, sights, sounds, culture, food et cetera. They hardly ever sent an Asian, Hispanic or Black to any European country due to racism, yet have sent whites to African and South American countries.
> They hardly ever sent an Asian, Hispanic or Black to any European country due to racism, yet have sent whites to African and South American countries.
That is in no way racist.
A show targeted at and produced by whites is going to feature whites at the forefront.
The same with any race or culture.
Turkish media is filled with Turks.
India's movie industry is dominated by Indians.
Japanese television is saturated with the Japanese.
I think you misunderstood. What I mean is, for example, an African American host would not be sent to Poland due to racism from whites there.
>>82
Sorry, I wasn't aware the show ever had any Black hosts.
(Don't you mean African British?)
There are no Japanese racist in Japan.
However, unfortunately, Koreans and other few foreign nationals are racists.
Thats all.
>>84
Have you ever visited both Japan and Korea?
From my experience (btw I'm Norwegian),
I have been mistreated hell a lot more in Japan and I'm sick of it.
Foreigners think that Japanese are polite and kind and yada yada yada,
but that is SO WRONG.
The thing about Japanese are that they PRETEND to be polite.
They are just unconcealed.
Like what someone else mentioned, they do give you a long hard stare until you give them a stare back.
They will also start slagging you off from behind once they notice that you don't understand Japanese.
I've been treated like that for 2 years.
I'll never go back to that stupid country full of cold blooded monkeys.
I mean "concealed."
Sorry.
kG7saxqI said
>I'll never go back to that stupid country full of cold blooded monkeys.
They don't want racist like you to be there anyway.lol
>>87
Yeah, I guess turned me into one great racist... lol
I'm sorry if any of this made good Japanese fellow fed up,
but please understand that these racist stuff is truly happening in Japan.
I don't know why, but there are so many Japanese who do have two faces.
Sorry to say this, but If you are truely Norwegian,
it's just a matter of cultural gap, not racial problem.
Because Japanese don't have custom that strangers smile
each other like western people do.
It's just misunderstanding or cultural gap to feel uneasy
about being stared.
And I hate to say this but, the attitude of Japanese toward like korean is not racism. Because korean are hating Japanese,
attacking Japanese, abducting, and so on.
Surely, none in the world likes people who hate him.
Can China still be considered Communist? While are are a far cry from democracy they have seemed to embrace capitalism.
I'd say totalitarian.
China is less democratic than Russia, they only have one political party.
my parents are totalitarian, communist. :(
In the end, all communists only care about one thing: money
Stop Japs claiming over our territory!!
Please support Korea!!
Korea was allied country with USA during WW2!!
Thanks to Korean support,USA could make victory over Japs!!
ALL American should not forget this fact!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWimmKifOs&eurl=
↑Background of the 1993 apology to comfort women
Here is a video with English subtitles giving
a background to the apology and admission of
“coercion” in the 1993 Kono statement on comfort women.
The video makes it clear that the government never had
any evidence to suggest that there was coercion,
and that the Kono statement was based on uncritical
acceptance of testimonies and the feeling that such
things might be possible in war time.
Excuse me, but the island is a bunch of stupid rocks with little actual importance. No oil has been found. Only the fishing waters of possibly of any value. Very literally this is making a mountain out of a few molehills (sitting in the ocean). It's more or less an(other) excuse for Korea and Japan to fight with each other.
test
i believe someone still visits here
ive been thinking about this issue lately
what i insist on is which is true.
in japan (btw im japanese) of course government and the mass media allege that island is their one.
of course in Korea, counterparts allege it is theirs.
you know? id like you to think about it calmly.
ive heard that South Korean government intentionally falsifies or fabricates korean historiography to be evidence that island is originally Korean's.
and is it true that the Korean government ignore that japanese government's filing the suit about this issue to the international Court of Justice?
i read some articles in Korea by translating, but i couldnt find the one which describes why Korea doesnt make an agreement to file the suit.
in fact, im skeptical of the japanese government also has falsified their historiography.
so i can find out the truth anymore.
Fuck the Han chinese. Fuck china. the govt is so racist and corrupt and Han chinese are so racist and dont give a shit about minority cultures. Fuck china. shithole country without dignity for its citizens
Hahahahaha, Mr. Uighur is right. I studied about Chinese diplomacy in the North Western district...well it's completely non-existent.
They hurt the Uighur people and Tibetians alike.
It's the reason why the Olympics were almost banned. I am not Asian so I think I am able to see the situation a bit more objectively than most.
The Han are friendly to foreigners if they have heritage to back it up, they stopped buying wine from South Africa after the end of apartheid because in their view it signalled the death of one of Britain's sons and the birth of a new nation.
I want to know,have you ever been to China?Seeing is believing.
Actually,In some western countries,the broadcasting company like BBC,they often reports some negative news about China,meanwhile,some Uighur people and Tibetians,they often make speeche about how non-democracy in china,how worse the Government is?In order to have some supports from West countries.
Welcome to China.
Chinese are friendly to foreigner coz they are proud to walk the street walking and talking to one. It's all a big show... that is all there is to Chinese people... all about face and showing off. They have no integrity nor culture. It's all about money!
fuck uighur exterminate that race they are closer to muslims than chinese
Fucking Uighurs are closer to monkeys than humans. I am glad the government of China decide to fucking exterminate your pathetic race. You'll be fucking swallowing bullets like your daddy's cum shots you pathetic bastard child of a retarded sand nigger.
FUCK YOU SON OF A BITCH! LOOK IN THE PAST, UYGHURS HAVE FUCKED HAN CHINESE IN HISTORY! Zhang qian HAN CHINIESE FAMOUS HISTORIAN WHO WROTE IT VERY CLEARLY! NOW, FUCKING BLOODY CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS CHEATING FUCKING HAN CHINESE THAT XINJIANG WAS BELONG TO FUCKING CHINA! XINJINAG IS NEVER BELONG TO FUCKING CHINA UNTIL 1949, AFTER WORLD WAR II FUCKING CHINESE LIBERATION ARMY AND COCK SUCKER STALIN INVADED THIS AREA BECAUSE OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND GEOGRAPHIC IMPORTANCE OF THE AREA! FUCK CHINA ! FUCK HAN CHINESE ! YOU ALL RAE DESERVED : sick man of east asia ! even whole world!
I may not agree with you but you are telling the truth.
Go Uighurs!
Woo hoo!
rt
this applies more to weeaboos but can be extended to westerners in general.
example: faking of nanking
The same reason we enjoy pretending to hindibuddhistmayamanajajarambas and fap over samurai and ninjas whilst likewise asians enjoy pretending to be 18th century aristocrats and fap over the crusades and the illuminati. We're far away from each other not to care, but because what happens actually happened and is not some fantasy it's more interesting.
If a bunch of arabs fuck around we can't stop but think about all the annoying arab immigrants and terrorism. But if some AZNs fuck some shit up we can take a more objective view.
Well I'm not sure if it's the same for asians but it might be.
This thread predates the "Warning, Asian Trolls" ASCII Art, or it would have never progressed.
For more information on 4-Ch History, visit your local library.
>>79
Stop saging on this channel.
lol it doesnt work.
Trust me, I tried.
All sorts of weird and sometimes unpleasant things come from the East, therefore we are curious about it.
lol, the reason why anyone cares is cause of inter-dependency. there is 1.8 trillion USD circulating in the chinese market. and all though the chinese are kind of insulated from the housing crisis, the only way for the chinese not to pulled into this sort of thing like JAPAN or KOREA is to do it with domestic consumption. plain and simple. if that happens how do you think the US is going to be affected?
World Major Economy Crisis Run Down my friends, this gonna takes YEARS to recover.... the worse hasn't coming yet. its like gonna be a major inflation impact on the world.
Unfortunately, there are still significant numbers of Westerners who believe only they can solve problems and restore orders in Asia, and other non-Euroean nations.
white man's burden.lol
but believe me, more than 99% westerners don't care about east asia and don't know about it at all.
Why are liberals and conservatives nearly always pro- and anti-abortion respectively? There is a feminist argument in favour of it, and a religious argument against it; feminists tend to be liberal and religious types conservative, so I suppose people who don't really give a shit about the subject are inclined to just side with their own.
In my view, though, both of these arguments are sidestepping the real issue at the core of this whole business: whether you believe a foetus is a human life or not. Obviously most people - regardless of their political leanings - consider killing humans to be a generally bad thing, so it follows that if you don't think it's a human, you will be fine with abortion, and if you do think it's a human, you won't be.
But what constitutes a human being is a pretty abstract philosophical question; how is one's position on the political spectrum supposed to influence something like that? And yet it obviously does - people's views on abortion always seem to fall so neatly in line with their views on everything else. So maybe I just don't get it.
While I consider myself a democrat I can understand both sides of the abortion issue. Personally I think that it should be allowed in cases of rape or incest, or if the mother's health is in danger, or if the fetus is deformed. However I also understand the desire to restrict abortions once the fetus has developed to a certain extent.
It would be nice if there was a way to transplant a fetus from a mother who didn't want it into a woman willing to give birth but I am afraid that this is currently beyond or medical technology.
Then again, I also support capital punishment for the most heinous of crimes.
>>6
yeah pretty much it, good post, extra points for being impartial
> It would be nice if there was a way to transplant a fetus from a mother who didn't want it into a woman willing to give birth but I am afraid that this is currently beyond or medical technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy
> she may, as a gestational carrier, carry the pregnancy to delivery after having been implanted with an embryo,
it's definitely not currently beyond our medical technology.
Pro-lifers are morons. Maybe you should worry about the children who are already here, because abortion isn't going anywhere.
>>11
This statement is so idiotic and dimwitted that it's not even worth the rebuttal.
> it's definitely not currently beyond our medical technology.
But how late can a pregnancy still be transplanted from one woman to another? I'm not talking about embryos here, I'm talking about transplanting fully developed fetuses including the third trimester
I'm a republican because I have rightist ideals on economics (free market)... I support abortion. Not every person is suited to be a parent, and some have children forced upon them. And the child protection, adoption and foster care agencies don't work well, if at all, in their current state. I also support the death sentence (lol liberals, don't realize that a person can't feel pain once they've been knocked out and paralyzed before the lethal heart stopping injection). I'm switching to libertarian party if the next year is just as fucked up as last. The two-party system isn't really getting anyone anywhere.
>>12
It is not idiotic (the first sentence may be offensive, but gets the point across with the second sentence). It is the smartest comment I've seen yet. If couple stopped having kids and started raising ones who already exist, then we'd probably have a turnover in the number of abortions. Bad/non-existant parenting causes children to act out irresponsibly, creating the imfamous kids with kids phenomenon, which leads down a spiral path of bad/non-existant parenting until the pattern is broken.
>>13
That includes transplanting the placenta as well. I also don't know about the horomones that the mother receiving the fetal transplant would work out. Also blood type, rejection of the fetus, etc.
>It is not idiotic (the first sentence may be offensive, but gets the point across with the second sentence). It is the smartest comment I've seen yet. If couple stopped having kids and started raising ones who already exist, then we'd probably have a turnover in the number of abortions. Bad/non-existant parenting causes children to act out irresponsibly, creating the imfamous kids with kids phenomenon, which leads down a spiral path of bad/non-existant parenting until the pattern is broken.
Then they shouldn't have had a kid in the first place. If you can't raise it, don't produce it. Simple as that. So it's idiotic.
