THE FAKE OF NANKING (58)

1 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-08 15:40 ID:cnJw4CKX

1)There is the heated controversy regarding whether Nanking Massacre happened actually or not among historian groups. This incident called "Nanking Massacre" is thought to have occured in December of 1937 during Japan-Sino War. Nanking was the then capital city of China. Nanking was fallen by Japanese troops on Dec.13 of 1937. At that time, Chinese Army could not express any intention to surrender to Japanese Army. Though Chiang Kai-sheki commanding Army of Chinese Nationalist Party ordered Chinese soldiers to strive to defend Nanking from Japanese Army, he secretly escpaed from Nanking by plain on Dec.7, 1 week before the fall of Nanking and he left Chinese Army behind. There was Tang Shengzhi appointed 'the commander of Nanking' by Chiang Kai-sheki, however, he also escpaed from Nanking with leaving Chinese soldeirs behind. When Japanese troops entered Nanking castle, Chinese Army without the commander was fell into confusion. Most of Chinese soldiers abandoned arms, changed into cibvilian's clothes and ran into the safty zone in Nanking.

2)China insists that more than 300,000 people were slaughtered by Japanese Army at the fall of Nanking. Is this the fact or not? When Japanese Army entered Nanking, more than 120 pressmen were embedded with Japanese Army. However, nobody took such a picture as to prove Japanese Army slaughtered 300,000 people. It is certain that China government shows so many pictures of Atrocity and insists on Nanking Massacre. Those pictures that China government shows are true or not? In these 10 years, Japanese histrian groups inspected each picture that China shows as evidence of Nanking Massacre. As a result of their inspection of 30,000 pieces of pictures, it turned out that there is not a picture to be able to prove Japanese Army's Atrocity at all.

3) We should think where the origin of Nanking Massacre is. I think this origin is "The Battle of China". This is so-called War-time propaganda film and was directed by Frank Capra in 1944 during the World War 2. The purpose of this film was to implant anti-Japan feelings into American people. But it is the most serious thing that...even now after the war ended, China has been spreading the strong hatred against Japan to the world by utilizing this "The Battle of China". China's true purpose of this black propaganda is to spread the strong hatred against not only Japan Imperialism but also each Japanese person of all Japanese including from 1 years old baby to over 80 years old person as if China wants to insist that DNA of Japanese race is a born inferiority and evil.
Iris Chnag's "The Rape of Nanking" turned out to be "The Fake of Nanking".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqFOxmr2to

2 Name: Stranger : 2007-06-10 02:27 ID:XK3+SgvO

Yeah right, the whole Jewish Massacre is also fake

3 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-12 13:43 ID:Heaven

>>2
Actually, Japan massacred the Chinese Jews!

4 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-14 16:18 ID:PQ9aCng3

Correct answer. Nanking Massacre is a complete delusion.

http://dansyaku.moe-nifty.com/

5 Name: Stranger : 2007-06-15 09:42 ID:sBp0AX7A

>>4

Indeed, The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are also complete delusion. LMAO

6 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-15 13:28 ID:tLW12edP

It's buddhist doctrine. Everything is an illusion! :)

7 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 02:36 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>4
The atomic bomb dropping to Japan proper by the United States is historical true. Because a lot of evidences rises, too it is strongly recommended to be reinspected. The fact United States thinks it to be a crime. Therefore, the United States should tailor and raise Japan to a close pivot of evil at prewar days. The atomic bomb was dropped toward the city where a lot of civilians existed while the Pearl Harbor attack of Japan was the one having aimed at complete military centers. After all, the United States did not have the justice in the Pacific War. The United States in country where great cause doesn't exist. The indebtedness strongly hoped for the testimony concerning the delinquency of Japan (Regardless of whether it was fabrication). It appears to the falsehood such as Nanking Massacres and comfort womans well. Japan doesn't follow the United States if those fictions are swallowed on trust and Japan is criticized at what time. Japan wins this time.

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8 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 03:12 ID:Heaven

>>7

Would you have preferred to be invaded by the Soviets?

9 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 03:22 ID:Heaven

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10 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 05:08 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>8
Such a thing is not thought. The policy of going south is accomplished and, the way things are going, Japan will become the colony of powers in the Soviet Union, too. Because it was obstructed, a Korean peninsula was important. And, a Japanese country that had won in the Sino-Japanese War made a Korean country that was the slave country for 3000 years till then an independent country. A gentle Japanese has helped a large sum to them through the Korea amalgamation. The support of Japan made Korea in a dirty street covered with excrements beautiful. Korean people is a humble race who adheres to that, wishes not to express our gratitude by us at all, and even criticizes furthermore. It might have been fundamentally wrong to have helped the domestic animal. It apologizes that the story of Korea becomes long. This story is made to end around here. In a word, Japan doesn't hope for the colonization by a Soviet federation. The Soviet Union is a nebbish. The Japanese-Soviet neutrality pact was stolen immediately before the end of the war and the broke we peculiar northern territories were stolen. The blockhead like Russia might be below China if there is no oil. Did not thief's Russian government learn the morality told it not to steal person's ownership thing from parents?

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11 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 13:09 ID:UlecqcM+

The Japanese did invade Nanking. Yes they killed innocent civilians, men, women and children. Yes they raped the women. But Chinese propaganda had exaggerated it.

I think it's the degree of slaughter that should be disputed.

12 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 17:58 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>11
The civilian in China disregarded International Law. Chinese had civilian's shape and fired at the serviceman in Japan. Moreover, those people attacked the serviceman from Sanctuary to Japan. You do want to adhere to the execution of the criminal and discuss it?Has the number of residents increased though a Japanese army committed genocide of the civilian roughly why?Moreover, the stationing media of the foreign country did not report on the massacre at all. In addition, how does it explain that Nanking Massacre was not handled in the Far East trial?It might be a thing said that China did the fabrication advertisement after all. Is there something doubt point?

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13 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 19:14 ID:UlecqcM+

>>12

Perhaps you misunderstood what I said. The youtube video makes a point that people in the US are gullible. I also believe that the Japanese are similarly gullible. The stronger patriotism you have to your country the more willing you are to listen to what a Government or 'source' will tell you.

I'm neither Japanese, American or Chinese and I'm trying to take a balanced view here. It's history and I see no point in taking sides. There has been hundreds of sources from different nationalities who had reported killings and the presence of the Japanese in Nanking. Facts are facts.

I was careful not to use the word 'massacre' or 'atrocities'. It's obvious that Chinese people were killed in Nanjing by the Japanese. That is expected in a war.

The youtube video simply reveals that a propaganda film used during that time was fabricated and had exaggerated the extent of the killings in Nanjing. It's been historically agreed on by the Japanese and every other nation that more than a hundred thousand were killed.

What's being argued is that China says its 300 000 while Japan says its less.

14 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-17 00:14 ID:AUkbUqUI

I do believe China has exaggerated in their claim of 300,000 deaths. However, it is likely that many innocent people died in the war - it's only to be expected when a large city is attacked.

The real solution is not to deny the past to make your country look better in the eyes of others, but unfortunately many Japanese ignore this. But I forgive them, because Americans and British have even worse history of killings which are silenced.

We can't have peace in the world until we all learn to forgive others' wrongs, amend our own, and never repeat the mistakes of the past.

15 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-17 10:50 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>13
It is correct. The fact is true. Our brave serviceman of a Japanese imperial country killed man who had serviceman and civilian's shape in Nanjing and had resisted a Japanese army. It is ,in a word, execution of the serviceman and the criminal. The evidence of other homicides was not found to me. It is strongly hoped to specify the evidence of. Is the war prohibited only to Japan?I think Constitution of Japan Article 9 that GHQ compelled including the thought. How does the world become it if the United States abandons the right of self-defense?

>>14
Did Japan do a bad thing?Sanctuary existed in Nanjing. People there were safe. The past cannot be changed. When the person is criticized, it is necessary to show evidence. Is the thing that the serviceman of the two countries combats in the Gulf War and the war against Iraq a bad thing?Is the thing that becomes a slave country like Korea a correct thing?Japan that opened Asia is a wonderful country even if it sees from the current sense of values.

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16 Name: FunFact : 2007-06-18 04:32 ID:KStzuiBn

17 Name: FunFact : 2007-06-18 04:49 ID:KStzuiBn

18 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-18 12:25 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>16>>17
It is interesting that Wikipedia becomes evidence. Is it a joke?Because I am not so good at English, no do be known whether in an accurate translation. However, there are a lot of contradiction points for the evidence when having verified it. I want to show you the site that becomes the grounds of an argument. Can you see a Japanese site?

http://dansyaku.moe-nifty.com/

19 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-18 18:04 ID:vE45kFe0

>>18

It's agreed by Japanese historians that more than a 100 000 people were killed in Nanking by the Japanese. What more is there to say?

1 life... to 100 000 to 300 000 lives.

It's still murder. Murder can never be justified. What more is there to say?

20 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-19 03:04 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>19
It is a news never heard of. Is it your delusion?Did official sentences and images, etc. exist?Please show it to me. The war is a thing to kill one another as for the person. If the enemy is not killed, it is defeated. We Japanese expelled the immigration principle of Europe and America powers from Asia. I also hope for the thing that the homicide disappears. However, how do you do if the muzzle is turned to you by others?There is a country that did the act to our imperial country about 60 years ago. It was threatened. Naturally, we cannot become slaves in the country. When it is allowed, it is shame until posterity. The chivalry of Japan doesn't permit such a thing. The Japanese imperial country army was not a standpoint where the criticism was received from you in that war.
I hope to examine why the war happened to you.And, please show the evidence of the matter on which you insist. It is Nanking Massacre that was not able to touch even by the Far East trial. In a word, it suggests the thing of political handout of China. If you examine the start of the Nanjing massacre problem, a more interesting thing is understood. It is recent that this problem is brought up. I understand the American wants to consider Japan to be evil at prewar days. However, the country that keeps believing convenient fabrication is not respected from the country where. Does the country United States of freedom admit the freedom of fabrication?

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21 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-19 08:19 ID:vE45kFe0

>>20

You keep asking for evidence but the evidence is everywhere. How about you give me evidence that the Nanking massacre did not exist? You say that these photos are proved wrong, then why do historians still insist that it has happened.

You cannot deny that it has happened. IT DID. It wasn't a fabrication. The propaganda film may be, but the entire Nanking massacre wasn't.

It's not about whether people find the Japanese evil because of Nanking. War is dictated by those who were ruling at the time. Decisions like those do not reflect the true nature of the people. When people say that 300 000 chinese people were murdered in Nanking, we who are the third parties and are indifferent to the Chinese and Japanese, do not blame the current Japanese population for it. It is unreasonable to hold an entire nation and its people liable for the actions of past political figures.

It's like saying every American is evil cause of the war in Iraq and every German should be shot for Hitler's actions. It's stupid and childish thinking. This is a problem that will continue forever. The Chinese will naturally resent the Japanese because of Nanking and the Japanese will respond with their own allegations.

The film with the fake shot was made during the time of war to convince the people in America that Japan was evil. Everyone was gullible back then. Today, only stupid people would believe that another race is evil.

So get over it. Stop denying and move on.

22 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-19 08:43 ID:Heaven

>>21
His evidence is at the bottom of a Japanese blog, which he includes a link to at the bottom of every post. You won't get anywhere by asking for it.

Meanwhile, most of our evidence is in books:
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Man-Nanking-Diaries-John/dp/0375701974
http://www.amazon.com/Documents-Rape-Nanking-Arbor-Paperbacks/dp/0472086626/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-2553605-4357616
http://www.amazon.com/Nanjing-Massacre-Journalist-Confronts-Institute/dp/0765603357/ref=pd_sim_b_3/002-2553605-4357616

So, tell us ID:PQ9aCng3, what do you think of Katsuichi Honda?

23 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-19 14:26 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>21
A lot of evidences exists.

http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/

Frankly speaking, this is enumerated.

1 Only 200,000 300,000 men can be killed.
2 The Japanese oak that the population of the Nanjing citizens decreased is understood from the slaughter of a Japanese army. It did not decrease as a matter of fact but it increases oppositely and rapidly.
3 Nobody saw.
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/books_shougen_kaikosha.html
4 The refugee district is peaceful, and the letter of thanks is received from
German of the chairman of a Nanjing safety district international committee
Rarbe.
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/reason05.html
5 Dr. Smais of L・S・C
"War damage investigation"
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/books_wardamage.html
6 Military report of the general on Ou of what
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/reason10_01.pdf
7 Nanking Massacre doesn't exist in the record of Chinese Communist Party.
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/reason11.html
8 The League of Nations doesn't do to the agenda either.
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/reason12.html
9 The protest such as rice, Britain, and France is none.
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/reason13.html
10"Massacre" it not is about the witness
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/reason16.html
This is a part of only insistence that Nanking Massacre is a lie.
It is possible to present evidence further.

>>22
Those novel theses are completely refuted to our regret. If the thing that I mentioned above is seen, it is sure to be solved a little. Still, please tell it if there is still a doubt. Katsuichi Honta is famous as a large liar in Japan. There are a lot of criticisms about his book 'Travel of China'. " "Like insistence of Chinese government that puts catching from people introduced by Chinese authorities as it is it etc.He is a journalist of Asahi paper. Asahi paper is fabricating the women sent to front-line. Both fabrication events are both Korean people done journalists or are being advertised by former Korean people journalist who did the camouflage naturalization.
In a word, Asahi paper began to fuel the Nanjing event and the comfort woman problem. Is the fabrication of Katsuichi Honta your ultimate weapon?

http://dansyaku.moe-nifty.com/blog/

24 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-20 01:46 ID:KStzuiBn

This is the first time i see people think highly rated wikipedia is a joke.

"His evidence is at the bottom of a Japanese blog, which he includes a link to at the bottom of every post. You won't get anywhere by asking for it.

Meanwhile, most of our evidence is in books:
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Man-Nanking-Diaries-John/dp/0375701974
http://www.amazon.com/Documents-Rape-Nanking-Arbor-Paperbacks/dp/0472086626/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-2553605-4357616
http://www.amazon.com/Nanjing-Massacre-Journalist-Confronts-Institute/dp/0765603357/ref=pd_sim_b_3/002-2553605-4357616"

btw...those links contain lots of criticisms against Japan. LMAO

ID:PQ9aCng3,if what the japs claim is true, then why does the evidence is not available in other languages? Apparently, it
is used to trick your own youths only.

25 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-20 06:33 ID:Heaven

>>24

Beware! You risk being as misinformed as your opponent.
http://www.history.gr.jp/~nanking/index2.html does contain a few English pages, although the translation is so poor I can't even tell whether the information is properly sourced or not. It seems to be mainly attacking Iris Chang's famous book, which I think everyone realizes is emotionally charged and not the most reliable resource available.
Also, there are a couple of English-language books arguing against the massacre on Amazon, by Masaaki Tanaka etc. I haven't read them and make no judgements as to their validity.

26 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-20 06:37 ID:Heaven

Also, I think we need a new corollary to Godwin's Law:
"As a *channel discussion grows longer, the probability of a claim that Asahi Shimbun is controlled by Koreans approaches one. The debate has then been lost."

27 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-20 09:35 ID:PQ9aCng3

>>24
Do you want to learn the lie of Nanking Massacre written in English?I have it a lot. Your insistence collapses and leaves at the same time. And, do not you know cheating WIKI?That is written by an individual subjective viewpoint. Even the delusion that man who did not know the fact wrote is considered to be true. Do not you think that books other than English are true?How short-circuited it is! We imperial country subjects are not cheated. Shame American citizen in the Bible! It was only judge Radha Binod Pal in working representative India who had had the book related to International Law in the representative judge in 11 countries who composed Tokyo war crimes tribunal at that time as for the president of the Calcutta university through the professor of Calcutta university Department of Law. This is his word.

When time shall have softened passion and prejudice, when Reason shall have stripped the mask from misrepresentation, then justice, holding evenly her scales, will require much of past censure and praise to change places. (Radha Binod Pal)

The maximum sacrifice of the Far Eastern international, military trial is 《 the truth of the law 》. We should recapture this 《 the truth of the law 》.
It is a defect of Nanking Massacre on which the Anglo-Saxon of the blind belief principle of you
etc. insists as follows. Of course, it is possible to read even in English.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/alleged/index.html

http://www.amazon.co.jp/Politics-Nanjing-Impartial-Investigation/dp/0761835792

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqFOxmr2to

http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/fujioka-nobukatsu/2007-04-11

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/index-e.html

http://prideofjapan.blog10.fc2.com/blog-entry-781.html

http://nanjing.keepjapan.com/

MY site
http://dansyaku.moe-nifty.com/blog/

28 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-21 07:30 ID:CINwukug

南京大虐殺は完全な支那およびアメリカの戦時プロパガンダである。
これを黙視するわけにはいかない。我ら日本皇国臣民は断固としてこれらの嘘を凶弾する。祖国の為に命を懸けて戦った我らの英雄をこれ以上陵辱するは日本の武士道がそれを決して許さない。世界の正義は我ら皇国の手にあり。愚かな植民主義者よ恥を知れ。貴様らが60年前に行った非道は決して許されず今尚虚妄を繰り返すようでは該当国は必ず滅亡する。

29 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-23 03:27 ID:Heaven

>>28
Sorry can't read moonspeak.

30 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-12 08:03 ID:Heaven

>>29

>moonspeak

That is not an engl...

31 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-15 12:51 ID:L8n15DPK

First of all.
China is not a "Normal" nation.
It's stupid to believe 100% what China claims.
China has been claiming that China has never invaded Tibet.
They don't hesitate to lie.

32 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-15 13:42 ID:5Eu8Dm/M

The Japanese continue to claim Hu Jintao enjoys sucking.. well this is a little off topic but I have not seen a single man of sub-saharran African heritage near Hu Jintao. I think the Chinese are the ones lying about this particular, though less important, set of events.

33 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-16 02:33 ID:uvPp85Bw

>>32
It is because "Tell a lie" is the basic policy of the Communist Party.

34 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-16 05:29 ID:297VrS5L

I think probably the most reputable book that I've read is called "Horror in the East" by Rees.

Also, I don't see why people are so shocked and deny it. Every single other army trapped in a similar situation has done the exact fucking same thing. The Chinese people had not much of a resisting army. The Communists were busy waiting out the war so they could seize power. The Nationalists were trapped by their own corruption and lack of supplies. The only method of resistance left was guerilla warfare. Chinese resistance would disguise themselves as farmers concealing weapon in farmcarts. They would ambush resting troops. They did this because this was the only reliable way to resist occupation; they had no big armies, to help them resist. The response from the occupying Japanese was increasing frustration, and an increasing inability to distinguish civilian from resistance. And then the same thing always happens. In Vietnam in the 1960s, the Vietnamese used the same tactics as the Chinese, and the Americans did the exact same atrocities. My Lai, was the site of rape, murder, burning of homes, destruction of food. The atrocities were terrible, but many claim it was not very widespread. It was widespread, just distributed among many small villages around Vietnam. The frustration of the American forces "fighting with an arm tied behind their back" and being assaulted by an enemy that skirmished, then disappeared. The same thing has happened right now in Iraq. The American forces are trying to cope with Iraqi insurgents who use children, women and others as attackers, and the media points the finger at them for attacking "innocents" when they try to defend themselves. Right now a few marines are being courtmarshalled for killing civilians in addition to the Abu Ghraib scandal.

The truth is, this is what war is. It is murder of innocents, it is rape and it is senseless. From war's beginnings on the plains of African, to the Pagan tribes, to the Greeks, Romans and Persians, through the Chinese Empire to the conquest of America, the World Wars to today, war is nothing more than that. The idea of gentlemanly warfare is an illusion created by war movies and propaganda made to make us (all of us, whether we be British, American, Japanese, Chinese, German) believe that our side is waging war for the right reasons, and that the other side, is evil. War is nothing more than evil directed in a direction to serve the will of those in power. The propaganda department, and all of our nations have propaganda departments, basically just tries to sell us all that it is not evil we wage, but justice. Just like a car salesman tries to sell you a lemon car, telling you it is nicer than it really is. When we deny the crimes, we are not lying to others, so much as we are lying to ourselves. We are fooling ourselves into thinking that we are somehow better. That we are more sophisticated. Take a look at the world around you. What you see on the outside, is just a macrocosm of what you are. Man is not some divine grace that blesses this earth with civilization and beauty. Man is nothing more than brutality, greed, selfishness, hatred with only small pieces of grace and decency mixed in to redeem him.

During World War II, some would have you believe it is the last good war, if you were on the Allies side. But all sides committed atrocities. Americans executed POWs, bombed civilian homes purposefully, dropped the atomic bombs, in the Pacific alone. The Russians raped, pillaged and murdered towards Berlin, and would have done the same towards Tokyo, had the bombs not been dropped. The British firebombed Germany relentlessly in a terror strategy. There are no good guys in a war. There is only evil. War in any shape or form is a coalescing of the evils of man, disguised with claims to freedom, God or other excuses. It might at times be a necessary evil. But make no mistake, it is always evil, and it is always an evil inside of us.

35 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-16 05:31 ID:297VrS5L

By media, I mean Al Jazeera and the other press in the region that tends to be friendly to the resistance.

36 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-16 05:47 ID:297VrS5L

I don't expect any of you to really change your ideas. But think about it. The reason why you hold onto the idea that Japan did not commit atrocities is pride. It's Shina, it's Nida who are just persecuting you, trying to bring you down. Trying to claim you are animals, sub-humans. But you yourselves see them as awful too. The Chinese who try to hide the atrocities against their people, as well as that of the Tibetans, the Uyghur (A muslim tribe in Western China), and trade tainted food. The reactionary and revisionist lies that Koreans spread in order to salvage their pride. They are animals, sub-human too. We are all animals, wallowing in our filth, trying to convince ourselves that we are better than we really are. The whites tried to convince themselves they were more sophisticated and better. But they annihilated the advanced civilizations in America, the Mesoamericans who had the most advanced calendar ever made, and had calculated every major celestial event up to the year 2012. Why? Because the people had different religious beliefs and they wanted their gold. The British drugged up the Chinese with opium to take their land. This is not sophistication and honor. Any people that fools itself into believing it is more cultured, sophisticated, or better than anyone else, ALWAYS ends up falling harder, without exception. The Chinese, they were eaten up and devoured by European colonists, before being taken over by a totalitarian regime which is slowly crumbling as we speak. The British who were devestated by World War II. The Spanish whose empire crumbled when their ships were eaten alive by British privateers. The Arabs whose advanced were destroyed by increasing religious fanaticism.

To quote a book the Japanese here may not have read, "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else." Think about it. As much as we tout the beauty, the art, the society that people (especially that that people of our race, our nation or whatever we associate with), we have created as much, if not more filth, death, pain.

37 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-16 19:27 ID:x65fmetd

>>34

Hear, hear couldn't say it better myself.

Although I would like to put it in more positive terms. The people in that war were people, and we should be able to relate to them, to understand them and love them as such. The revisionists do them no honor by rewriting history and trying to redefine them.

>>36

And I don't know if the Arab world's advancement was compromised by religious fanaticism, but that's besides the point.

38 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-17 08:55 ID:5Eu8Dm/M

>>36
Cry harder.

39 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-19 03:01 ID:qNBkJXhF

Man... I wish we had a time machine. Then we could all go back to Nanjing in 1938 and see, feel, and decide for ourselves what happened. We could all go as a 4-ch field trip. The Japanese board residents here could translate for the foreigners when we interview the Japanese soldiers to get a feel of what things were really like. We could dress up like reporters, from Canada maybe.

We'd also need to find a Chinese interpreter, but Nanjing's a big city, I'm sure we could find one.
Anyway, it would be fun, but I expect very unpleasant for many of the people here.

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41 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-19 22:11 ID:QiPlqZij

I wonder what >>40 said.

42 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-19 23:03 ID:Heaven

>>41

What do you bet it had something to do with moses?

43 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-20 20:01 ID:Heaven

>>42
I would not want to comment on that since, you know.... The whole "X Post deleted by moderator." thing.

44 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-21 06:24 ID:Heaven

>>41-43
Spam, usually. Not much else justifies post deletion.

45 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-24 15:59 ID:Heaven

>>41-44
It was about moses.

46 Name: Citizen : 2008-10-07 04:44 ID:LEx82h/U

The problem is that way too many of Westerners, particularly the Americans have had a totally unrealistic ideas of what China and the Chinese is/was. Read Ralph Townsend's book called,"Ways that are dark; the truth about China" to understand how the Chinese were like in those days.

47 Name: Jiyo : 2008-10-07 13:57 ID:aGpZJUMg

lol, the reason why anyone cares is cause of inter-dependency. there is 1.8 trillion USD circulating in the chinese market. and all though the chinese are kind of insulated from the housing crisis, the only way for the chinese not to pulled into this sort of thing like JAPAN or KOREA is to do it with domestic consumption. plain and simple. if that happens how do you think the US is going to be affected?

48 Name: Jiyo : 2008-10-07 13:58 ID:aGpZJUMg

oh lol i posted in the wrong thread.

my bad

49 Name: Bill : 2008-10-10 11:01 ID:s4s/Tt3t

Every photo of NANKING MASSACRE seems to be fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg0as

China loves to blame Japan for every damn thing to distract and fool its own people. Within China itself, human rights abuses continue.

50 Name: Citizen : 2008-10-16 16:27 ID:jieBs+Do

ITT: Historical revisionism.

Coming from German descent, I can assure everybody that the Jewish Holocaust (unfortunately) never happened. Despite the mountains of evidence, I have found a few suspect photos and strange coincidences that fundamentally prove the Holocaust was a hoax. Those crazy Jews.

In other news, the U.S. Armed Forces have finally admitted that they were lying about supposed cruelties and forced marches perpetrated on POWs by the Japanese army in WWII. As it turns out, the Japanese were extremely gracious hosts who provided their "prisoners" with spacious personal quarters, ample amounts of virginal loli to service every need, and usually dined on kobe beef and buttered lobster with absolutely delicious bread rolls.

True story.

51 Name: Citizen : 2008-11-20 09:04 ID:Heaven

>>50
what's really bad about such historical revisionism is that everyone thinks it's normal to do those horrible things in war now.

52 Name: Shades : 2009-03-11 06:06 ID:DJNy2AEl

Fact is Japan invaded most of Pacific Country (Asia)... and left "many great scar" there / in them, but... yet they didn't feel sorry till today. the sins are just far too great to bears.

War, Invasion, ... each of this occur takes lots of innocents people live, the no such in history war or invasion takes no casualties.

53 Name: Citizen : 2009-03-13 05:01 ID:Heaven

>>52

It was Britain, along with France and Netherland, not Japan, which invaded most of Asia.

54 Name: Citizen : 2009-03-15 15:17 ID:pj3We3iO

>>53
It was the Mongols, not Britain, France, Netherlands or Japan, which invaded most of Asia

55 Name: Citizen : 2009-03-15 23:18 ID:Heaven

After the Mongols lost their power, Britain, France, and Netherlands took over most of the Asia. Thanks to Japan, Asia is now free from the European colonialism.

56 Name: Citizen : 2009-03-16 14:41 ID:obu4d/7i

>>55
The "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" that you're alluding has been clearly exposed as Imperial Japanese propaganda bullshit. It was invented as nothing more than a pretense to invade and fuck up Asia, not to liberate it.

57 Name: Citizen : 2009-03-18 09:25 ID:Heaven

>>56

What the fuck are you talking about? If it weren't for Britain, France, Netherland, Russia, and the U.S., Japan would not have to equipped with all those military power. Those Western powers screwed the much of Asia.

Have you ever accused Britain and other Western powers for the atrocities they committed in Africa and Asia? Most likely no. All those hypocricies and double standards are no longer acceptable.

Those self-righteous minds love to talk about how the Nazi Germany was evil and all that. But they fail to recognize the British killed far bigger number of people in Africa and Asia. From now on, let's not forget the African Holocost.

58 Name: Citizen : 2009-03-21 15:03 ID:cegf/2bB

>>57

Clearly, Africa had it coming. Damn Barbary Pirates.

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