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this applies more to weeaboos but can be extended to westerners in general.
example: faking of nanking
Good question, if you look at the older threads, there much less Asia-Centric.
We wouldn't, except English-impaired idiots from 2ch and similar Asian-language boards often come here to troll. Sometimes we counter-troll by turning their bigotry into decent debates, and occasionally newfags start similar threads in a misguided attempt to understand their racist mindsets.
Since when do we care about Asian politics? I certainly don't.
Strangely, most of the people I know (online) who live outside of the U.S. seem to know a great deal about the political goingson here, where as I know nothing of theirs.
Plus, Nanking massacre is a historical event, it's not fair to bring up as merely "politics".
"Why do westerners care about Asian politics for example they know about World War II." OK.
Well, most people, do live in Asia, so like, it makes sense to pay attention to that, desu ne?
If war broke out in Asia, we would have no Manga. I also like Asian food.
Sound Insane? No. That's much more insane than US Mideast policy.
Why shouldn't we be paying attention to foreign politics? True, I pay more attention to Asian politics than anything else other than US news, but that's because almost all the Europeans I've had the displeasure of having a conversation with turned out to be complete and utter fucking racist douchebags.
Who am I going to care about more? The countries whose people treat me with an at least decent amount of respect, or the countries whose people constantly refer to me as a "fucking American", harass me just for being American, and even kick me out of online games for something as petty as my nationality? I'll take my chances with the azns, kthxbai.
Well for me I'm Asian-American so it's kinda hard not to care about Asian politics...
Because Asia is part of Earth. Their politics effects our politics.
>>8 lol
protip: asians can be just as racist if not more
>>11
I never said they couldn't. I just said that from my personal experience, Europeans are the ones that seem more likely to lash out at me for being American than Asians are. Then again, I suppose I come into more contact with European foreigners than I do Asian ones, so I get a disproportionate amount of retarded Europeans to retarded Asians.
Comes with living on the East coast, maybe?
Yeah, the US of A has really seen better days in terms of international popularity. I guess you could blame the USSR for falling apart. The US needs villains badly, big ones. So now it has to look for them very hard, in impractical places.
>>14
I just wish there'd finally be politicians who did more than take care of just their own damn selves. Oh well. I suppose the US will rebound eventually. Every nation has its ups and downs.
There are ups and downs, but no ups and downs and up again. It doesn't happen. America is now the Brittany Spears of the United Nations.
Bush is only interested in the North Korean issue right now because he is basically stuck in progress over the situation inIraq and Afghanistan, and he wants to eke out some form of diplomatic victory over one of the "Axis of Evil" regime.
While he has Christopher Kim Jong Hill and Rice working on the NK issue, it's going to be a replay of the peace process in 1994.
http://wikichan.org/index.php/David_Aldwinckle
This fuckhead. "Oh, look at me, I'm trying to get White Supremacists to get into other countries by using the US to sue the shit out of other countries! Isn't that GREAT!?"
Oh, we have plenty. Just look at small, dinky towns out in the middle of nowhere, USA. They have PLENTY of Pro KKK and O.J. Simpson's Rights for All Americans groups waiting to kill the rest of the world and use their bones as dishes and silverware.
It's because asia is a growing economy/super power, china, japan and india included. If they ignore them and their exonomy, they will miss out on all the sweet trade deals and other such money making things.
America is a "pile", but no country is even CLOSE to being anything but a disfunctional piece of shit, or at least that is what I'm told... In America we are constantly spoon fed bullshit, we are made to believe that we are a great nation, and that we are better than everything and everyone else thats out there.
To Citizen: You are right that US investors see Asia as an every growing market which can and do provide absurdly high profits. Hell, the consumerist society which dominates modern lifestyles throughout the world is a direct result of China's and India's mass armies of laborers willing to work for far less than the average first world citizen is. The problem is, that these markets are going to implode soon. I ask you, what ALWAYS happens after many years of unrestricted ecomonic growth?
It's because asian women are easy to screw unless you are Black.
>>22
So sorry couldn't land any pussy, try the subway next time.
I only landed 4 girls in 30 days, and no girl wants a Black bf. Race is the only thing that matters in lfie, and Asian women are the easiest Jezebelles for all races except for Blacks.
umm isnt it obvious? lol, politics in asia can alter western economies. just look at china and what its done to the australian mining industry and the american current account.
because yu westaan pipor, with yoo gureeto interect can herup us beri maatsu, so beri maatsu...
I am completely uninterested in Asian politics.
We don't give a shit, get the fuck out
Quite simply, the electoral and representation system of many Asian countries are fascinating. Take Japan, which uses a mixture of multi-member constituencies and proportional representation for the remainder. This system was instituted after Japan's only coalition government post-world war II, due to the fact that even with multi-member constituencies a single party (the LDP) was able to rule the country without any serious opposition. The electoral reforms produced... More single party rule by the LDP! Beyond this, it gets boring, due to the nature of Japanese politicians to be sensitive to opposition views and to form a consensus.
Or what about South Korea... post division, it was effectively ruled as a military dictatorship for most of its history until international attention prior to the Seoul Olympics in the late 80s gave activists enough wiggle room to start demanding democratic reforms... Yet South Korea was heralded as the "good korea" by western nations throughout the cold war.
China's flirtation with capitalism and the undoing of the cultural revolution is obviously having a serious impact on western economies, its a growing world power, but none of these changes are resulting in democratic reforms, as was the case for the former soviet union and eastern European "communist" states.
This is a part of the world housing some of the world's oldest civilizations, and as a result, you have some very interesting political dynamics.
>>32
Except the Asian politics threads here haven't been about interesting stuff like that, but are just the creation of borderline trolls irate about whether Country A committed really horrible atrocities against Country B in the past and/or has groveled sufficiently in regret for the actions of their grandparents, which country is the rightful owner of some godforsaken rock in the ocean with zero economic value, or just how dirty and smelly a certain ethnic group is.
>>South Korea was heralded as the "good korea" by western nations throughout the cold war.
Probably something to do with Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il to their north making even the worst South Korean leaders look like choirboys, amirite?
You are probably too young to remember, but in the 60s and 70s American leftists made a trendy pastime of comparing the disreputable Syngman Rhee or vaguely thuggish Park Chung-Hee to Hitler, and studiously ignoring, or even praising, the monstrous brutal insane Orwellian police state on the opposite side of the DMZ.
How's that working out for them in the Workers' Paradise these days?
>>37
You're right, I'm not 60 years old and therefore not capable or 'remembering' the korean war or these leaders that have since faded into obscurity in the west. I'm not American either.
You seem to be highlighting a perspective distortion that affects the reasonings of ideologues of all stripes, and so your criticism of american leftists for their bias is shallow, at best.
> How's that working out for them in the Workers' Paradise these days?
Difficult to know for sure, but I imagine it's the closest thing to hell on earth from my unpropagandized perspective.
mmm, Asia is where all the lolicon porn and U-15 idols of the world come from. If something happened to Asia, our supply would run dry
>Except the Asian politics threads here haven't been about interesting stuff like that, but are just the creation of borderline trolls irate about whether Country A committed really horrible atrocities against Country B in the past and/or has groveled sufficiently in regret for the actions of their grandparents, which country is the rightful owner of some godforsaken rock in the ocean with zero economic value, or just how dirty and smelly a certain ethnic group is.
Sounds oddly similar to Middle Eastern politics...
Because there's too many Asians living outside of Asia spreading their nationalistic garbage all over the place. Get the fuck out.
fuck you.
faking of nanking? how do you know it's fake? you sound like the rest of the weeaboos too, so why don't you get off your high horse.
you are probably a westerner too, so why the fuck do you care to give you 2 cent about asian politics? this is none of your business.
It seems despite billions of yen in reparations and over 20 official apologies, Japan can't live down their actions in Asia during WWII. The oppressive governments of China and North Korea are laughing their heads off because their sheeples are all worked up over stuff that happened 60-70 years ago, instead of today's oppression. The media plays right into their hands as well, spreading lies and exagerations, such as the idea that Japan has "never" apologized.
>>43
How do you know it's real? Just because you're told that it's real? How does OP know it's fake either? Anyone with a brain wouldn't be confidently taking sides.
>>45
Not to put too fine a point on it, but there was a large German commercial and political (read: Nazi Party members) presence in Nanking at the time.
The Japanese atrocities they witnessed so horrified Hitler himself that he very nearly ended the alliance with Japan then and there. This little fact was found in the Nazi archives captured at the end of the war.
Not that the Japanese and Germans were especially comfortable allies in the first place. The Japanese had very close trade ties with Poland before the war, and Japanese military intelligence shared intelligence on intercepted Soviet military radio transmissions with Polish military intelligence, who were VERY good at translating and decrypting them, and who were (ironically enough, or maybe not) rather more afraid of Stalin than they were of Hitler. The Japanese were very unhappy indeed on the morning of September 2nd, 1939.
Or, if all that's tl;dr, this is one of those universally accepted historical facts that even the political extremists outside Japan have always accepted, and any attempt to sow doubt about it is right up there with, say, denying that the First World War took place. "How do you know? You weren't there, and all the people who supposedly took part are dead now. YOU CAN'T PROVE NOTHIN!"
Hitler wanted China to be a German client state in the Far East. China, or at least the coastal regions, was full of German arms exporters and German military advisors. Hitler wanted Chiang Kai-Shek as an ally in the worst way. Japan's invasion of China seriously pissed him off.
And Japan was very happy to trade both commerce and intel on the Soviets with Poland. Ironically enough the Japanese military junta was terrified of Stalin, but thought the US was a nonentity that would go back to isolationism if they made a sufficent show of force.
maybe they pay attention to it to annoy obnoxious buffoons like you.
It is violently entertaining. The Taiwanese congress is a case in point.
>The Japanese atrocities they witnessed so horrified Hitler himself that he very nearly ended the alliance with Japan then and there. This little fact was found in the Nazi archives captured at the end of the war.
Germans in Nanking during the Rape, and I can't recall if they were representatives of the Third Reich, or if they were just foreign aid workers, witnessed and were horrified by the atrocities. They attempted to contact Hitler himself, hoping he would try to get the Japanese to reign in their occupational forces, but they were silenced and ostracized by other high-ranking Nazi party members who were unwilling to jeopardize the alliance.
Note that at this time, what was being done in the concentration camps was not common knowledge, even to German citizens.
asian people are too proud for their own good, cannot cooperate with one another, hate one another for no good reason and cannot let go of the past. keep ranting about the past like bitches - your ancestors did this and that and thats why i fucking hate you even though its got nothing to do with you.
thats why they are easily manipulated by westerners who wants them to keep their level of hostility high towards each other.
then westerners can keep their power and wealth intact while asians waste their resources fighting one another.
do you think americans really care about china-taiwan and north-south korea issues other than selling weapons and for their own benefits??
>>50, I think some do. There are 300 million Americans and you cannot make all of them agree on anything.
Because asians aer shweet!!^_^
sighs.....i pray that the doomsday may come earlier and ends faster!
Westerners are extremely interested in other nations as a rule, not just AZN ones. Westerners use this foreign interest to ESCAPE paying attention to their own failgovernments and faileconomies and failsocieties in general. For examples, USians will tell you all about how much a nutball Iran is, yet the USA is doing either the same stuff, or much worse than that. Since USians don't pay attention their own Military Murder Machine, they really don't know much when you try to debate them. There's a factor of intentional ignorance, but there's still a result of astonishing ignorance about what their own nation does in the world and domestically.
Bumped for truth. Most of us americans do not pay attention to how frighteningly similar we are to the nations we criticize. we ar enot too far away from where nazi germany or stalin era russia was at. but because we are kept blissfully distracted, most of us havent realized it yet. I, for one, plan to move to holland. Yes, its expensive to live there but dammit, they have more freedom than we do.
>>54
If that were truly the case you'd already have been "disappeared" for saying such a thing in a public place, now, wouldn't you?
>>56
not so. u misunderstand the concept of covert control. I'm not in a position of power or influence. I'm not rich. Therefore, im no one. I'm beneath their attention. attacking me would only prove my point and wouldn't be worth the resources. besides, maybe they are waiting until i become a real threat before they do it. remember how i mentioned "blissfully distracted"? they wanna see if i just drop it. if i dont, then "hes a trrorism suspect. send to gitmo/ misc black site". if i do, they win anyways. so ill just gtfo and let them have their dictatorship.
The collective ignorance of the Japanese r.e. their own recent history is staggering!!!!
Love Japan...........but accept your past and move on.
Hurry up with the PS4 too!!!!
play station 4
i was shocked on hearing the PS4 arrival, which is too soon....
i havent heard of it but it looks like sony is going the way of sega. it made an overpriced console and is now trying to fix the fuck up by making a new console. utter fail. sony better make up for this by making ps4 backward compattible with ps1 and 2. maybe an add on for ps 3 too. but they better make it separate. like an expansion bay thing to make it cheap
Well fuck, I hope we'd end up with something like Fascism. Honestly. I want a reason to believe in this country again. What we really need is a mass American Nationalist movement. We need a New American Spirit, an image, an archetype of what it means to be an American. And we need to mold our public around that. Everyone. Not just whites, but blacks, asians, latinos, every goddamn person living in this country. If we can come together as Americans, then we can move forward as a people.
Of course that's just a pipe dream.
>>63
It's a pipe dream until you start making pipe bombs.
>>63
Um, why? tell me what exactly nationalism accomplishes? I'll tell you this much: fascism would mean giving up many of the freedoms that supposedly make America what it is. Nationalism is bullshit. It doesn't help and it only makes more of a foreign relations problem.
in closing, i give you a 3/10. you almost made me rage. and don't forget your sage on the way back to your bridge, troll!
:/
Because I live in Tokyo, that's why.
XD
>>67
cool!
so how many 'no foreigner' signs have you seen?
The work is so interconnected at this point that changes in asia have an effect everywhere.
Nobody cares about your fucking politics.
Let me translate some of these posts for our Japanese readers' convenience:
70 Name: Citizenu : 2008-08-06 20:48 ID:Ot+aS6/R [Deru]
Za patrioto acto isu nationarismu
do you expecto me to go rike:
KAWAII OMGU ^^* GIGGURESU <('U')> BE MY GODU OMGU OMGU OMGU
... no, weaboo probokeru... you bringu outo za worsto (butu inu a way, cutesto... i robe a womenu witho anu obsessionu) outo inu eberyone not-asianu
71 Name: Citizenu : 2008-08-15 03:00 ID:TqeQyrR1 [Deru]
Za worku isu so interconnectedo ato thisu pointo thato changesu inu asia habe anu effecto eberywhere.
72 Name: Citizenu : 2008-08-15 22:38 ID:PGppXmju [Deru]
Nobody caresu abouto your fuckingu poriticsu.
>>73
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I love your words! It's better if you type in kana!
eurofag here, we care because your economy affects ours and our economy affects yours, unlike america(whose politics we care about too) you produce high-quality products and no i'm not going too buy a xbox
>>75 yeah, Europe should also make a gaming platform. You better get on the poster 75
>>1
I dunno bout everyone else, but I see asian politics just as valid as western politics.
This is a global age we live in. Each country has an effect upon one another. The prime minister stepping down due to his incompetance in japan affects confidence in the country in the west.
Human rights abuses in china and the governments actions in regards to that, affect buisness in the west. fewer companies wanna be associated with a china like that.
I'll keep out of the whole "Terrorism" and "Totaltarianistic governments" arguments. But will point out that what happens in the west affects what happens in the east. This is very much vice versa too.
Also, I for one am a military man, I understand that in this day and age countries have to work together and push, albiet gently, for change. We are all in this together, for better or worse, we have to look out for one another. Otherwise, we will never be able to advance as a people.
The same reason we enjoy pretending to hindibuddhistmayamanajajarambas and fap over samurai and ninjas whilst likewise asians enjoy pretending to be 18th century aristocrats and fap over the crusades and the illuminati. We're far away from each other not to care, but because what happens actually happened and is not some fantasy it's more interesting.
If a bunch of arabs fuck around we can't stop but think about all the annoying arab immigrants and terrorism. But if some AZNs fuck some shit up we can take a more objective view.
Well I'm not sure if it's the same for asians but it might be.
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>>79
Stop saging on this channel.
lol it doesnt work.
Trust me, I tried.
All sorts of weird and sometimes unpleasant things come from the East, therefore we are curious about it.
lol, the reason why anyone cares is cause of inter-dependency. there is 1.8 trillion USD circulating in the chinese market. and all though the chinese are kind of insulated from the housing crisis, the only way for the chinese not to pulled into this sort of thing like JAPAN or KOREA is to do it with domestic consumption. plain and simple. if that happens how do you think the US is going to be affected?
World Major Economy Crisis Run Down my friends, this gonna takes YEARS to recover.... the worse hasn't coming yet. its like gonna be a major inflation impact on the world.
Unfortunately, there are still significant numbers of Westerners who believe only they can solve problems and restore orders in Asia, and other non-Euroean nations.
white man's burden.lol
but believe me, more than 99% westerners don't care about east asia and don't know about it at all.
MNN will introduce the first ever English Internet broadcasts by a Japanese political party, broadcasting news about the activities of the DPJ government, the Japanese Diet, and the party itself both domestically and worldwide.
Singapore is becoming the country of Chinese, by Chinese, for Chinese.
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