ITT: We discuss the upcoming 2012 elections in the USA. There will be wildly disparate poll numbers, quotes taken out of context, twice as many mentions of Ron Paul here as the number of votes he’ll actually receive, and in the end, as always, no matter who wins, we all lose.
Incumbents:
President: Barack Obama (D)
House: GOP 242 – Dem 193
Senate: Dem 53 – GOP 47
The Democratic nomination for Barack Obama is all but assured with challenger Randall Terry being little more than an amusing sideshow. The Republicans meanwhile scramble for an early lead.
Iowa Straw Poll Numbers: (13 August 2011)
Michele Bachmann - 4,823 - 28.6%
Ron Paul - 4,671 - 27.7%
Tim Pawlenty - 2,293 - 13.6%
Rick Santorum - 1,657 - 9.8%
Herman Cain - 1,456 - 8.6%
Rick Perry (write-in) - 718 - 4.3%
Mitt Romney – 567 - 3.4%
Newt Gingrich - 385 - 2.3%
Jon Huntsman - 69 - 0.4%
Thaddeus McCotter – 35 - 0.2%
Had a little Repulican debate last night. Oh wait, they called it a "Tea Party" debate. And it was on CNN. I'm slightly confused, but here are some highlights:
>Gov. Rick Perry was criticized for a Texas policy that allows illegal immigrants who have been in Texas at least three years, who are working toward their college degree and pursuing citizenship, to receive instate tuition.
>Perry said he made a mistake by signing a 2007 executive order - that was later overturned by the Legislature - to mandate that young girls in Texas be vaccinated against HPV... [He] added that he won't rule out using executive orders if elected president. "I will use an executive order to get rid of as much of Obamacare as I can on Day One."
>Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney asked Perry if he stands by what he wrote in his book, "Fed Up!" about how social security is unconstitutional and should be removed from the federal government and given back to the states.
Basically, it was everyone vs. Perry. Poll numbers forthcoming.
CNN/Opinion Research Poll - Republican Primary
Perry 30%
Romney 18%
Palin 15%
Paul 12%
Cain 5%
Gingrich 5%
Bachmann 4%
Huntsman 2%
Santorum 2%
Someone else 2%
None/ No one 4%
No opinion 2%
(Poll results: +/- 3%)
Which makes us wonder why Bachmann is getting so much attention...
Perry has slipped and now it looks like Herman Cain is in the lead. Question is will he stay there, and for how long?
Palin bailed on us, should America be happy or sad?
Despite allegations of sexual harassment Cain still leads the polls at 18% Tied in second place at 15% are Gingrich and Romney.
New poll results from CNN:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/14/cnn-poll-gingrich-soars-cain-drops/
Romney 24%
Gingrich 22%
Cain 14%
Perry 12%
Ron Paul 8%
Bachmann 6%
Huntsman 3%
Santorum 3%
T'was a sad day, saturday. Let us bow our heads and offer a moment of silence to the campaign of Herman Cain, He will be missed.
Iowa Caucus Results :
Mitt Romney 24.6% 30,015 Votes
Rick Santorum 24.5% 30,007 Votes
Ron Paul 21.4% 26,219 Votes
Newt Gingrich 13.3% 16,251 Votes
Rick Perry 10.3% 12,604 Votes
Michele Bachmann 5.0% 6,073 Votes
Bachmann dropped out.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/04/politics/bachmann-campaign/index.html
NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY:
With 95% of presincts reporting, Romney dominates:
Romney: 39%
Paul: 23%
Huntsman: 17% (who?)
Gingrich: 9%
Santorum: 9% (2nd in Iowa to close 5th in New Hampshire!)
Perry: 1%
Others: (>1,000)
Everyone on the bus! It's a long drive to South Carolina!
I'm not even Amerikan, but having been subjected to months of net propaganda I feel entitled to having an opinion on this.
Libertarianism? Even getting considered? What the hell is wrong with you people. The belief that laissez-faire corporatism aligns class interests is so fundamentally wrong I have a hard time believing anyone could be stupid enough to fall for this. Corporate profit motive sustains itself through parasitic extortion of subordinates- and fully intends to extort the Amerikan working class just as much as any other form of sweatshop labour. The danger people don't seem to understand that their privileged class position of co-option is a pin in the side of corporate growth first accepted for pragmatic reasons and now in the process being removed. Corporations are not going to work in the best interests of the masses and the "invisible hand" of the market is a race to the bottom.
Little wonder the primary appeal of libertarian politics appears to be emotional exaggeration of the sustainability of freedom in a hegemonic environment (IE "small government") and petty personal bribes (IE legalize drugs)
FOOLS. YOU DESERVE YOUR FATE IN CHAINS
>>13 libertarianism is not getting considered, because Ron Paul will definitely not be the nominee of the Republican party. However, feel free to have a look at the more viable candidates. You'll understand why some people are supporting him. He's the only man on the stage (including Obama, especially) who seems to actually give a shit about preserving civil liberties and the Constitution. I disagree with his economic policies, but that's about where it stops, and there's no way in fucking hell I am voting for Obama again after he committed the kind of betrayal and shown the cowardice he has.
tl;dr the US presidential election is going to be a fucking farce as usual.
and now Huntsman is bowing out.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jon-huntsman-quit-republican-presidential-race-023854795.html
Perry is also calling it quits.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cnn-rick-perry-end-campaign-141912141.html
I don't care who gets it, as long as Santorum doesn't. He's a goddamn psycho.
And here are the results for South Carolina's primary
✔ Newt Gingrich (R) 243,153 40%
Mitt Romney (R) 167,279 28%
Rick Santorum (R) 102,055 17%
Ron Paul (R) 77,993 13%
Herman Cain (R) 6,324 1%
It was sad to see that Herman Cain did not do better.
Romney wins Florida
✔ Mitt Romney 771,842 46%
Newt Gingrich 531,294 32%
Rick Santorum 222,248 13%
Ron Paul 116,776 7%
Of course nobody expects Ron Paul to win, but I was hoping he'd do better than this in the primaries.
>>20
He lost in Florida because it's full of old people, and old people almost all hate him or are indifferent to him.
He lost in South Carolina because it's a fucking shithole.
He should do better in Nevada. I remember he got second place there in 2008. Maybe he'll be able to split against the rest of the candidates and pull out a win.
>>21
Please don't bully South Carolina. A town I like is twinned with a town in South Carolina. Or North Carolina. Just don't bully any of the Carolinas to play it safe.
>>22 I have no idea what you mean by twinned. I actually like North Carolina pretty well, but SC really is kind of shitty. You ever been there?
✔ Mitt Romney (R) 7,089 43%
Newt Gingrich (R) 4,323 26%
Ron Paul (R) 3,061 18%
Rick Santorum (R) 2,157 13%
Only 44% of precincts reporting so far but looks like this is the way it's going to go. Ron Paul continues to under-perform given his hype. Santorum quickly becoming the "who?" of the race.
Also, why does each candidate have an (R) next to their names? Isn't this the Republican primary? Is another party expected to win it?
>>24
Looks like the Republicans are finally coming to the realization that Romney is the only candidate with enough mainstream appeal to have a shot against Obama. He still won't win the general though. Imagewise, dude is basically a Republican version of John Kerry, and we all know how that turned out. Still, their other choices are an inflammatory asshole, a batshit crazy ultra-conservative Catholic, and Ron Paul. So the choice is obvious.
I was hoping Paul would do better, but he'd never win the nomination, even if he had won a few states. I'm thinking of doing some work for him in my state, not because I particularly like him (the guy is an Ayn Rand-ian type when it comes to social/economic policy, which is both unworkable and kind of disgusting to be honest), but rather because he is the only one in the race, Obama included, who is bringing up important issues like the NDAA and the fact that the White House and Congress have been taking a prolonged piss on the Constitution since about the 1950's. Besides, even if Paul won the election at the 500,000 to 1 odds he faces, the President can't affect domestic policy nearly as much as he can foreign policy, and I like a lot of the aspects of his proposed foreign policy. So I might support him.
Wow. OK. Things were thrown for a loop today...
(source is Yahoo! News)
MINNESOTA:
✔ Rick Santorum (R)21,420 45%
Ron Paul (R)13,023 27%
Mitt Romney (R)8,090 17%
Newt Gingrich (R)5,128 11%
COLORADO:
✔ Rick Santorum (R)26,372 40%
Mitt Romney (R)22,875 35%
Newt Gingrich (R)8,394 13%
Ron Paul (R)7,713 12%
>>17 Bad news for you, man. A three state sweep for Santorum today.
MISSOURI:
✔Rick Santorum 138,957 55.2%
Mitt Romney 63,826 25.3%
Ron Paul 30,641 12.2%
Other Candidates 18,444 7.3%
SO. Evidently Santorum is still in this thing!
With his wins on February 7th, Santorum moves into 2nd place.
Delegate count (current/probable):
Romney - 107
Santorum - 45
Gingrich - 32
Ron Paul - 9
>Missouri will award its 52 delegates through a system of caucuses and conventions starting March 17.
So Santorum could possibly be a close second coming out of this. On the other hand...
> The race for delegates is still in the early stages. It will take 1,144 delegates to win the GOP nomination.
What the fuck, Republicans. You're not really going to pick Santorum, are you? Jesus Christ. He is the worst possible choice.
Coming soon:
FEBRUARY:
28 - Arizona (closed primary) - 29 delegates
28 - Washington (caucuses) - 43 delegates
MARCH:
6 - SUPER TUESDAY - 437 delegates up for grabs:
Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Massachusetts, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont, and Virginia.
6-10 - Wyoming (caucuses) - 29 delegates
10 - Kansas, U.S. Virgin Island, Guam - 58 total
13 - Alabama, Hawaii, Mississippi, American Samoa - 119
18 - Puerto Rico - 23 delegates
20 - Illinois (primary) - 69
24 - Louisiana (primary) - 46
You almost feel sorry for Romney. He's the unloved step-child of the party.
Romney will win. And he will lose against Obama.
That is my prediction anyway. I do not like either of them.
Romney may have won Maine, but Ron Paul was a close second. Ron Paul said he might run as an independent if Gingrich gets the nomination but he probably won't if it goes to Romney? Don't know what he'd do if Santorum gets it
>>33
Romney is just barely palatable to me. Ron Paul is really the best candidate in the running, though I have serious issues with some of his domestic policies.
I voted for Obama in 2008, but this year, no fucking way would I support him. Lots of people are apologizing for what he's done, like backing down on a lot of his initial proposals or watering them down, signing the NDAA, etc. All over the Democratic and left-wing radio stations they're doing this (although some of the more independent types do call him out.) It's pretty disgusting, but understandable, since he's their only candidate and the incumbent.
Dave Mustaine of Megadeth Endorses… Rick Santorum?!? WTF?!?
http://www.inquisitr.com/194631/dave-mustaine-of-megadeth-endorses-rick-santorum/
Guess Dave is a homophobe, so much for all those yaoi lemons written by the fangirls...
Personally I hope Santorum wins the nomination. That way Obama will have to win in a landslide.
Hopefully whoever wins the GOP nomination will be beaten by Obama in the general election. Santorum will probably be easier to beat than Romney, while Romney is perhaps the least loathsome republican if you are a democrat. Worst case scenario, Santorum gets nominated, then the economy tanks and idiots elect him president just to spite Obama.
Michigan and Arizona went to Romney.
MICHIGAN:
✔ Mitt Romney (R) 410,477 41%
Rick Santorum (R) 378,069 38%
Ron Paul (R) 115,928 12%
Newt Gingrich (R) 65,090 7%
ARIZONA:
✔ Mitt Romney (R) 216,782 47%
Rick Santorum (R) 122,062 27%
Newt Gingrich (R) 74,107 16%
Ron Paul (R) 38,743 8%
(Over 99% reporting in both, source is Yahoo! News)
Delegate count:
Romney: 145
Santorum: 82
Gingrich: 29
Paul: 18
Huntsman: 2 (who?)
1,144 needed to win, 2,010 remaining. The Republican convention will be held August 27-30.
Every time you think Romney has it all tied up, remember that he has just over 10% of what he needs to win. This is going to be a long spring/summer, folks...
>>38 guess those robocalls Santorum made to democrats in Michigan telling them to vote for him just to spite Romney didn't work...
WYOMING (Final):
✔ Mitt Romney 39%
Rick Santorum 32%
Ron Paul 21%
Newt Gingrich 8%
Wyoming numbers apparently meaningless! Try to figure this mess out:
>Like Iowa's presidential caucus vote, Wyoming's is not binding and will in no way affect the state's 29 delegates.
>Wyoming's county conventions, held March 6-10, ...will directly elect 12 delegates to the Republican National Convention, and to its April state convention, which will elect another 14 delegates. None of those delegates will be allocated (or "bound") to any presidential candidate, though each will have to announce support for a particular candidate or "undecided."
Despite all the noise coming from the ongoing Republican drama, let's not forget there is at least one other party still in this race!
Just for lulz, let's look at Democratic delegate count so far:
Barack Obama (D): 625
Any other candidate (D): 0
In the overall race:
>A Politico/George Washington University Battleground Poll released Monday indicates Obama topping former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney 53% to 43% in a hypothetical general election matchup, with the president leading former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania 53% to 42%.
Source is Politico by way of CNN: http://bit.ly/zIyaHb
Don't forget that things can change in a hurry!
Here are some highlights from the distant past:
Now in the Republican circus it's all Romney vs. Santorum, with a Gingrich sideshow, and no one is even giving Paul a ticket inside anymore...
>>44
Hopefully when Obama stops worrying about getting reelected once his his second term starts, he can actually fucking do something.
Mitt Romney wins Washington state caucuses
Delegate count so far:
Romney: 415
Santorum: 176
Gingrich: 105
Paul: 47
Huntsman: 2
1144 needed to win, 1541 remaining.
Something weird just happened and no one at all noticed!
>Obama collected the most votes in the Oklahoma Democratic primary, but lost in 15 counties... anti-abortion activist and Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry ... received 18 percent of the vote.
>According to Democratic Party rules, Terry is eligible for a delegate since he won more than 15 percent of the statewide vote.
Democratic delegate count so far:
Barack Obama: 1,092
Randall Terry: 7 (who?)
J. Rogers: 3 (WHO?)
Santorum wins Kansas caucuses
Kansas
Republican Nomination - 100.00% REPORTING
Primary CANDIDATES VOTES % OF VOTE
✔ Rick Santorum 15,290 51%
Mitt Romney 6,250 21%
Newt Gingrich 4,298 14%
Ron Paul 3,767 13%
>>57 CNN is reporting these losses as "PSYCHOLOGICALLY DAMAGING" for Romney in typical overblown fashion. I don't see how this is a surprise, though. I've been to Alabama and know people from Mississippi and I know it's not amazing that in a four-way race, the batshit crazy ultra-religious guy would win there.
>>59
I kind of thought the Republicans were interested in winning the national election with a moderate candidate (Romney). Apparently not...
For the sake of comedy let us hope and pray that no one gets the majority of delegates and they end up picking a compromise candidate at the convention. Let us also hope that something gets into the drinking water in Tampa and they decide on Palin. I keep my fingers crossed!
>>61 that would be awesome. If anything, it would be the first party convention worth watching in a really long time.
Republicans in Alabama and Mississippi are pretty nuts. They actually admit that Romney has the best chance of beating Obama by far, but most of those same people ended up voting for Santorum, who would scare away a lot of moderate and even kind of conservative voters, and Gingrich, who's been tainted by political corruption and is by all accounts a total asshole and difficult to work with/for. But folks have their reasons.
>>59 careful what you wish for. Like it was said before the republicans could nominate somebody who you think would never win in a million years. Then the economy tanks or worse Obama gets assassinated and you end up getting Palin for president. And even if Romney does win they'd probably make him choose santorum or some other ultra conservative as his running mate. You think I [b]wanted[/b] to get stuck with Sarah Palin?
>>64 it seems to me that Romney is probably pretty smart. The trouble with him is that nobody knows what his real positions are - or whether he even has any. The guy just seems like a complete opportunist.
I wouldn't be very excited about a President Jeb Bush or a President Chris Christie, but I do think that they'd be more viable in a general election than any of the candidates currently on the ballots. Well, I don't know about Christie, but Jeb still has some real prestige among Republicans from what I hear. Romney is just going to be a straight up disaster, like the Democrats had with John Kerry in 2004 and Michael Dukakis in 1988 (and they're all from Massachusetts... is this a pattern?)
>>66
Gee, I wonder why they didn't vote for the guy who called them a "Spanish-speaking country" and said they'd have to gain proficiency in English if they wanted to be the 51st state.
>>68 is Santorum going to spin this as a win? He was outspent vastly, but eleven points is nothing to sneeze at either.
Gingrich is just fucking him over. Newt's ego is the only part of him that's fatter than his ass. Good for the Democrats, I guess. This whole thing is like a train wreck, only it is lasting for a whole year. I wonder if a lot of Republicans aren't thinking about electoral reform right around now.
Rick Santorum has dropped out!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-calls-mitt-romney-concede-180027008.html
Now it's down to Romeny and the Newt! (And Ron Paul if he ever counted for anything)
>>70
It's Romney.
Ron Paul counts for something, but not in the Republican party.
Smart of Santorum to do that, now if Romney loses against Obama, Romney will be totally out of the running for the 2016 election, leaving Santorum left saying "See? I told you he was useless."
PLEASE VOTE FOR ROMNEY
>>73 Can you guarantee that he will he not shit on the Constitution like the current and previous presidents have and continue to do? In that case, I'll vote for him gladly.
And Gingrich calls it quits!
Now the only alternative left to Romney is Ron Paul!!
Will Ron Paul finally get the respect he's been waiting for and win a few primaries? Or will Romney crush his dreams and leave him crying like John Boehner?
Ron Paul wins Maine!!
http://news.yahoo.com/paul-wins-majority-delegates-maine-gop-174422402.html
OH NO!!!
Ron Paul has ran out of money!!
Will this finally clinch the nomination for Romney? Or will a miracle save us all from the unthinkable? Here's hoping for a Romney sex scandal (preferably a gay one)!
> Here's hoping for a Romney sex scandal (preferably a gay one)!
Looks like Romney is the winner... :/
>>79
...according to the AP delegate count.
In Iowa, the AP still lists 13 delegates for Romney, 13 for Santorum, and 1 for Paul. Only 13 delegates have been chosen in Iowa so far, and of those, at least 10 are Paul supporters. This is just one of many examples where the AP has claimed delegates for Romney where the delegates have not been selected yet, and it shows that their strategy when they end up being wrong is to just stick their fingers in their ears and keep shouting that Romney is the winner.
>>80
Okay, NOW Romney is the winner.
Not like it matters, though. He's pathetic. Even the Republicans don't like him. For all the promises he's broken, Obama still has the loyalty of his base of support. If these guys were horses, Romney would have 50 to 1 odds, maybe even worse.
As for me, I'm not voting for either of these assholes. I might make a literal bet on the election, though.
I had high hopes for Santorum as Republican candidate. It would be a landslide for Obama.
>>82
I am not so sure. You may recall that Bono, of U2, endorsed Santorum, because of Santorum's work with AIDS charities.
Yes, it boggled my mind too. Nonetheless, I'm not making it up:
Mitt Romney so rich his dollar signs have 3 slashes!
>>85
Have fun wasting your vote. Seriously, could there ever be a stronger argument for electoral reform than the choice between Obama and Romney?
>>86
A vote for Robamney is a vote against having any reason to vote. At least I'll be able to say I didn't help those fuckers.
There ought to be a movement to encourage absolutely everyone to vote for their favorite third party candidate. Being able to feel so smug about it might be motivation enough. I suppose there's some reason for that idea not to work, though.
Jenna Jameson supports Mitt Romney
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/retired-porn-star-jenna-jameson-says-she-supports-143703925.html
Because when you don't want to share your millions with the masses then Romney is the candidate for you! The poor and middle class can just bugger off!
Mitt Romney chooses Paul Ryan as his VP running mate.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/live-video-mitt-romney-announces-vp-pick-123251121.html
Romneys going to win.
>>91
On the one hand, I fear for the future of the US if he wins.
On the other hand, I sort of hope that he does, so people will realize that he's exactly the same as Obama (other than skin color, which is completely irrelevant) and stop voting for the same old worthless piles of shit.
>>92
Paul Ryan would never let Romney be like Obama!
It's just like when McCain chose Palin allover again, Romney's just trying to appease the far right who don't think he's conservative enough.
>>93
The vice president has no say at all in what the president does.
Just look at Biden... All he does is sit around and make racist comments.
>>94
Just like Dick Cheney had no say at all over anything Bush did?
>>95
Yes. Bush did the same things Cheney would have done because those were the things Bush wanted to do.
The debate went well.
>>97 I disagree. The debate was a fucking disgrace. Obama and Romney lied their asses off and Jim Lehrer didn't ask them any actual tough questions, sticking with unexplained references to tax laws that most Americans have no clue about. And if PBS isn't going to ask any tough questions, the networks sure as hell won't. I'm depressed for the future of my country.
Spoilers: Vladimir Putin wins American elections.
Obama did much better in the second debate, we'll have to see how the final debate will go though before the election winner can be predicted.
Oh, my poor thread. I'm so sorry I neglected you but it just got boring after all the nuts were weeded out of the Republican primary.
If you're like me, you've all been locked alone in an interior room of the house without television, radio, or an Internet connection, eating cold MREs and ignoring every knock at the door because the ads/party operatives are everywhere all the time. RELAX, IT'S ALMOST OVER!
This morning, electoral-vote.com is calling it a solid Obama victory with 294 electoral votes to Romney's 220 and the 24 up for grabs. That's if their aggregate polls actually hold true (reminder: 270 needed to win). States that could shake it up include Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. If you live there, consider voting! If this is the first time you've heard this suggestion and you live in one of those states, consider having your hearing checked!
Today's the day.
Now that I look at >>102, it shows how much Romney and Obama got, but not how much the other guys got. I know it will be next to nothing, but I'd still like to know.
We have some results! As of about 2AM EST, most outlets are reporting that Obama has won, taking both Ohio and Pennsylvania. Florida could go either way, but at this point, it doesn't really matter. (You can't go all 2000 on us this year, Florida!)
President:
✔Obama (D) 303 +/- 29
Romney (R) 206 +/- 29
Senate:
✔Democrats: 51 +/- 2
Republicans: 45 +/- 2
Independents 2 (both are left-leaning)
House:
✔Republicans: 226 +/- 33
Democrats: 176 +/- 33
Source: CNN
Gay Marriage passed in Maine, and pot was legalized in WA!
>>106
Pot legalized in CO, too. Ironically, it was probably because all of the Obama voters.
Johnson won one percent of the popular vote.
>>107
Oh? Why's that ironic? Has Colorado been against pot in the past? Sorry I don't know anything about that state.
( ﾟ ヮﾟ) Puerto Rico voted for statehood!
>>106
I think something legalizing gay marriage was also passed in Spain recently. Hopefully more will follow.
>>107 Oregon voted for Obama to, but we didn't legalize pot here!
Linking Obama with pot legalization is quite a stretch.
>>110
A quick look on Wikipedia says that Spain legalized gay marriage nation wide in 2005, unless there had been some region where it was not allowed that was overturned recently?
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Obama why have you done lately?
Joni Ernst ate Obama's balls!
Mr. T ate mine!