[Handheld] The mobile reader support and requests thread (73)

1 Name: Squeeks : 2007-10-20 20:56 ID:IxY8cNNA

On a brief initial trial, currently food and japanese boards have a "mobile" version, which is pretty much stripped down and designed for people with phones, PDA's and other handheld devices that can browse mobile XHTML content. Right now I've done what I can without more rigourous testing since I haven't the means to test this on my own phone.

So please post any problems or requests you have. Screenshots are very helpful even if you haven't got a problem, so I can see how it looks like over a variety of devices.

Things I already know about at this point:

  • You can't reply to threads, or make new ones. It's pretty much "read only".

  • Post numbers have embedded javascript, as well as the "delete" button, both of which don't work.

  • Text maybe somewhat too large, and there is no CSS/looks boring.


2 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-10-21 00:05 ID:/9HCJHh+

Are any other boards going to be mobile? If so Tech Support is a must, I only ever resort to such devices when my PC isn't working. I'll test this out later on my PSP and will do my best to provide a screen shot.

3 Name: Squeeks : 2007-10-21 00:13 ID:IxY8cNNA

Sure, eventually I'd like all the boards to have it supported.

4 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-10-21 05:31 ID:w73/0TpD

I'll try it on my PSP tonight, and see how it goes.

5 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-10-23 02:15 ID:w73/0TpD

Alright, it works good, but the PSP can already handle the site. Looks like win for mobile phones though.

6 Name: Squeeks : 2007-10-25 21:55 ID:IxY8cNNA

Giving this an age since all boards now have it, including this one.

7 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-10-31 22:52 ID:E4+WCQat

This is really cool, I tried using 4-ch with my phone before but the pages were too large for it to load. I'll give it a shot as soon as I recharge it!

8 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-11-05 11:12 ID:+D4iMrL7

Thanks squeeks, Ive always wanted to browse 4-ch when on the bus or train

9 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-11-06 19:42 ID:XCjeMJwF

Eh, it didn't work so well for me on my phone. Viewing 4ch with such a small screen is rather annoying.

10 Name: Squeeks : 2007-11-06 19:57 ID:QCPfYDaq

>>9
It's fine if you think it sucks, but you need to show me why. Maybe stop using a phone with a tiny screen?

11 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-11-07 11:03 ID:XSdysB5p

12 Name: Squeeks : 2007-11-07 22:37 ID:QCPfYDaq

>>11
As I've already asked, what phone, what browser etc?

13 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-11-08 09:37 ID:+D4iMrL7

>>12
a sony ericsson W810i, but that doesn't matter. if you use 4-ch:mobile on your computer you still can't see anything after:
"I thought it would pass, but it's been three weeks..."
http://4-ch.net/personal/mobile.pl/1193225109/1
http://4-ch.net/personal/kareha.pl/1193225109/1

14 Name: Squeeks : 2007-11-08 20:11 ID:QCPfYDaq

Ah right, I've now fixed that problem involving truncating posts. Thanks, anonymous.

15 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-11-15 21:19 ID:WQ3T6uBa

16 Name: Squeeks : 2007-11-15 23:27 ID:QCPfYDaq

Hrm, thread titles look too big on your phone, is that because your cursor is over it, >>15 ?

17 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-03 20:12 ID:BtHDPKZn

Very nice, GJ!

Looks pretty good on my E-series Nokia (WebKit based browser):
http://lnk.nu/img140.imageshack.us/gwt.jpg
http://lnk.nu/img132.imageshack.us/gwu.jpg
http://lnk.nu/img110.imageshack.us/gwv.jpg

Now, if only I could post..

18 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-21 12:27 ID:eUjpr7d1

my phone's browser is netfront and i noticed that the links for the boards point to http://4-ch.net/.../mobile instead of http://4-ch.net/.../mobile.pl. this causes me to get an error like this whenever i click one of the links:
Not Acceptable
An appropriate representation of the requested resource /req/mobile could not be found on this server.
Available variants:

Additionally, a 406 Not Acceptable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

clicking the mobile.pl link takes me to the board, but it's sorta annoying to have that extra step.

also, netfront on my phone can handle the normal version of the site reasonably well, except that it doesn't support frames, some of the stylesheets don't work quite right, and it can't load the js file because when it requests the file from the server it gets a page that says "The Requested Page can not be displayed" instead of the script. i think this is probably because the browser doesn't put */* in the accept header, which is something that EVERY OTHER FUCKING BROWSER I'VE EVER SEEN THAT SENDS AN ACCEPT HEADER DOES.

anyway, here's the workaround for that that i use on my site, so things like this and this work just fine on my phone:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_ACCEPT} !(text|\*)/(javascript|\*)
RewriteRule \.js$ - [T=text/plain]
</IfModule>

19 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-21 12:29 ID:Heaven

> RewriteCond %{HTTP_ACCEPT} !(text|\)/(javascript|\)

if you end up using this, you should note that your server sends js files as application/x-javascript (the default for apache) instead of text/javascript (which i configured mine to send them as) and change the regex accordingly.

20 Name: Squeeks : 2007-12-21 17:06 ID:QCPfYDaq

Wow, netfront really sucks.

Does putting a trailing slash on the end (eg. http://4-ch.net/dqn/mobile/ ) cause the same problem?
I'm rather curious as to what strange headers netfront is sending. Do you see anything unusual in http://services.4-ch.net/tools/headers.pl ? That stupid browser shouldn't be getting confused over a differing "Content-Location" header in a 200 response, right?

21 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-22 05:54 ID:Heaven

>>20
adding a trailing slash makes no difference.
the only things i see in the headers that look unusual at all are the fact that it's using a proxy and the insanely long accept header that doesn't include /, which most browsers do include if they send an accept header.
upon further investigation it appears that the proxy is responsible for the javascript problem... the 406 error is definitely coming from apache tho, and i'm pretty sure it's because the accept header doesn't include text/x-perl or /.

22 Name: Squeeks : 2007-12-22 09:19 ID:QCPfYDaq

Interesting about the trailing slash not making a difference. Because in terms of the headers Apache sends (and I don't have a proxy between me and server) differs quite significantly:

curl -i http://4-ch.net/dqn/mobile
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:58:02 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.3
Content-Location: mobile.pl
Vary: negotiate,Accept-Encoding
TCN: choice
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=shift_jis

Now see above, I thought it was the Content-Location or in fact the TCN header that might have been stumping it, because, looking below...

curl -i http://4-ch.net/dqn/mobile/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:58:41 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.3
Vary: Accept-Encoding
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=shift_jis

All of those potential problems aren't present when we trail with slash. This makes little sense. Let's start looking at headers from static pages:

curl -i http://4-ch.net/mobile
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:11:11 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.3
Content-Location: mobile.html
Vary: negotiate,Accept-Encoding
TCN: choice
Last-Modified: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:07:42 GMT
ETag: "1dc165-8c2-d9ea6f80;38f78f00"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 2242
Pragma: no-cache
Content-Type: text/html

So browser has no issue requesting this page, which is also being "manipulated" by MultiViews like the addresses above. What I can deduct from this is that firstly the client is to blame for all of it's own problems, and secondly, it's sending headers or something it shouldn't. Multiple choice requests shouldn't be occurring. Request http://services.4-ch.net/tools/headers and then do another request with the .pl, remove the IP/host bit and paste me the rest. I'd like to see exactly what's being sent.

23 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-23 03:38 ID:eUjpr7d1

>>22

$ curl -H "Accept: text/html" -i http://4-ch.net/dqn/mobile
HTTP/1.1 406 Not Acceptable
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:20:57 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.3
Alternates: {"mobile.pl" 1 {type text/x-perl}}, {"error.pl" 1 {type text/x-perl}}
Vary: negotiate,Accept-Encoding
TCN: list
Content-Length: 542
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

...

netfront's accept header is this:

Accept: application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml, application/x-pmd, application/vnd.phonecom.mmc-xml, audio/midi, audio/vnd.qcelp, application/xhtml+xml; profile="http://www.wapforum.org/xhtml", application/x-pcs-mcd+xml, multipard/vnd.sprint-pre-cache, multipart/mixed; q=0.5, multipart/related, text/vnd.wap.wml, text/vnd.sun.j2me.app-descriptor, text/x-pcs-gcd, text/css, application/ecmascript, image/png, image/gif, image/jpeg; q=0.5, image/vnd.wap.wbmp; q=0.2, application/sdp, audio/qcelp, audio/mp3, audio/mp4, video/mp4, audio/3gpp2, video/3gpp2, audio/3gpp, video/3gpp, audio/amr, audio/aac, audio/aacplus, application/pmd, application/m3g, audio/mpeg, audio/mid, text/plain, video/x-ms-asf, video/x-ms-wmv, audio/x-ms-wma,text/html;q=0.062,image/gif;q=0.062,image/x-jng;q=0.062,video/x-mng;q=0.062,image/x-mng;q=0.062,image/bmp;q=0.062,image/x-bmp;q=0.062   

24 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-23 04:06 ID:Heaven

also, in >>20 where it says:
> doesn't include /,
and
> text/x-perl or /.
it should say */*, not /

25 Name: Squeeks : 2007-12-23 04:52 ID:QCPfYDaq

Please, do me a favour, complain to Sprint/Netfront/whoever and remind them that their implementation of a "browser" on that phone sucks. I've stuck the stupid file extensions so save you and any other netfront users the grief of having to click twice.

Also I was curious about the rest of the headers netfront sent, not just the accept mime types.

26 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-23 06:05 ID:Heaven

>>25
here are the rest of the headers:
(IP and Host removed)

Date: Sun Dec 23 05:29:08 2007
Request: GET http://services.4-ch.net/tools/header.pl

(Accept removed)

Accept-Charset: UTF-8, us-ascii, iso-8859-1, UTF-16,*
Accept-Language: en;q=1.0,es;q=0.5
Cache-Control: no-cache
Clientid: (removed)@sprintpcs.com
Host: services.4-ch.net
Pragma: no-cache
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (MobilePhone SCP8500/US/1.0) NetFront/3.4 MMP/2.0
Via: 1.1 kscymbmagprx03-int.nmcc.sprintspectrum.com:8090
X-Network-Type: IS2000
X-Wap-Profile: "http://device.sprintpcs.com/Sanyo/SCP8500/1002SP.rdf"

most of the time the X-Network-Type is EVDO, it's IS2000 when i'm at home because my house is right in the middle of a 100 square foot hole in sprint's coverage (insert conspiracy theory here).
adding a trailing slash, removing the .pl, etc only changes the Request one.

27 Name: Squeeks : 2007-12-24 02:24 ID:Heaven

Hey that client ID header is a really smart idea. I personally won't go out of my way to look for it, but someone else has to be.

28 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2007-12-24 03:52 ID:Heaven

>>27
from http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/489332-1.html:

> Sprint PCS handsets send an encrypted session ID called "ClientID" in the HTTP header information. Using that data you can validate the phone against Sprint's servers and determine (with some level of security) the identity of the subscriber visiting your WAP site. To use that data you need a partnership with Sprint to decrypt the information for you. Are you willing to pay for authentication?

29 Name: Squeeks : 2007-12-25 00:41 ID:Heaven

I was being sarcastic.

30 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-01-19 21:10 ID:eUjpr7d1

how about support for posting like on http://waro.su/mobile.pl and http://waro.su/wml.pl?

31 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-03-01 08:03 ID:JnQf35WL

When looking for old threads using google, I tend to get more results linking to mobile.pl than kareha.pl for some reason. (Kinda like how you to get more results from printable versions of posts made on IPB forums - maybe Google favors them because there a larger concentration of actual content on them).

I think it's an important issue that people may stumble upon threads via the mobile versions without having any hint that they can actually participate with an interface more suited to computers.

32 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-03-20 15:50 ID:C59aKRa0

I use Opera Mini.

Mobile version of 4-ch works much faster on my Alcatel OT-C825 than general one.
It's sad that there is no posting, because in general version Opera Mini has no problems with posting field, but it's too slow in browsing.
Maybe default reply field of PC version could work with mobile?

Opera Mini: fullscreen, landscape mode. Font size: small.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7931/01channel4ak3.jpg — first two pics have no problems at all.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6726/02generalvg2.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5743/03threadys9.jpg — Post header looks way too big (Though in Mobile View mode this problem was solved)

33 Name: 32 : 2008-03-20 19:16 ID:gZGKtfCi

Well, i can post if i change mobile.pl to kareha.pl in address manually. Not the best way, but still acceptable.

34 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-07-26 21:16 ID:tMnBdVa7

When you click a link like >>1 it opens in kareha mode (with reply bar).
But when you click a number at the left of poster's name page just reloads. Maybe it would be more useful if it acted in the way link does?

35 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-08-14 06:37 ID:47kY9fCJ

I have a shitty two year old razr v3i, and 4-ch mobile works swimmingly on it. I browsed most of the boards (didn't think to check the AA Bar) and the only issue I had was when accidentally clicking on the number to the left of the poster's name I recieved a 400 error. It'd be tits if we could post, too, but even having the ability to just read has killed many the boring hours of work.

36 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-10-17 20:48 ID:/C2bknLA

looks fine on my motorola razr2 v8 cellphone (opera).

now add posting/replies. PLEASE! :)

37 Name: Squeeks!tRfRREmKOE : 2008-10-19 23:54 ID:GDsNk8aF

Okay, the list so far:

  • The ability to post
  • Fixed links
  • Separate Domain (m.4-ch.net maybe?)
  • Possibly having archives access

All this will take a while, but it'll be done.

38 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-10-30 18:56 ID:s5Zh8Hii

yes. m.4-ch.net sounds good and short.
please add post ability first, since it's the most important imo. thanks!

39 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2008-11-29 12:13 ID:lSgSRkHt

on the mobile startsite you forgot to add "mobile.pl" in the "Japanese" link.

40 Name: Squeeks!eXfV3cXcCk : 2008-12-01 16:11 ID:ifcCdqMt

Thank you, >>39 , that's fixed. I'm trying to find the time and motivation to get things done, but alas I've had no time of recent.

41 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-01-05 20:50 ID:Heaven

Anyone know how to make SJIS/EUC/etc. work in US English win mobile?

I might have to cave in and get a G1 or iPhone next year, if not :(

42 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-02-09 06:57 ID:NqD7GY4j

>>41

No sorry. I have the same problem with my Motorola V8. But since there is Linux on it and there are already enough ways to change things on the phone, there should be a way to add Japanese/etc. fonts. Really need to look into it since i don't want a iPhone, especially NO Spywarephone like the G1...

43 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-02-13 04:38 ID:qebtD3co

I think some basic visuals and the ability to post would be nice.

44 Name: buzzbros2002 : 2009-05-03 05:28 ID:eY3+y/KN

Being able to post would make me as well as most people who use 4-ch mobile very grateful. Please consider it. Thank you.

45 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-06-02 02:48 ID:Heaven

> especially NO Spywarephone like the G1...

lol.
you obviously haven't looked at the freely available android source code.

also, any phone with bluetooth (there are quite a few you can get for free) + nokia n810 (less than $120 (USD) last time i checked) ≫ $300 phones with shitty fonts and low-resolution screens.

46 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-07-04 17:25 ID:7MPK4DuJ

Any news of progress being made?

47 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-07-26 20:04 ID:L9BlTZiQ

cool addition to the board.
Sadly, as cell phone browsing really is only for urgent situations, I doubt checking up on 4ch's slow boards will be a priority.

48 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-09-11 19:53 ID:K+aebTfU

>>45
who says that the free compiled sourcecode is the same that's already on the phones?
anyway it's OT.

is posting now possible from the mobile version? i'm sooo waiting for this. ;_;

49 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-09-27 20:20 ID:lwmfamfe

When will 4-ch mobile visitors be able to take part in the forums?

50 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2009-10-04 14:55 ID:BWYjPAeY

Squeeks, wake up!
Follow the mobile postfunction.

51 Name: Squeeks!6G27pi9lO6 : 2009-10-18 14:17 ID:UGzXrIW6

I'm working on it, I'm working on it. Doing a few other things too. Moving between 3 countries this year certainly doesn't give me time for anything.

52 Name: buzzbros2002 : 2010-01-24 00:59 ID:voZ+gZLX

just wondering if anyone has any update on the mobile version of 4-ch in terms of posting on a mobile.

53 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2010-07-09 01:03 ID:dOuAhDJj

imo 4-ch would make for super lucky immensely pleasurable mobile browsing environment if the frames were ditched in favor of a drop menus.

54 Name: buzzbros2002 : 2010-07-20 06:50 ID:voZ+gZLX

good point!

55 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2010-11-08 15:34 ID:R6yG+Rxj

I'd love to be able to post messages from the phone, it don't require anything special since phones can handle POST-requests just as any other browser...

56 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2011-09-07 19:04 ID:l6KaeXtZ

Can we look at source code?

57 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2011-09-14 04:12 ID:KPBvo5KL

Not trying to sound impatient or anything, but is the ability to reply under this mode going to be added at some point?

58 Name: buzzbros2002 : 2011-09-22 05:55 ID:/Hd1TUVi

I would love to be able to see 4-ch's source code to try to make it more mobile. As of tonight I've decided to become active here again, and am slightly disappointed that i can still see my comments from over a year ago are on the requests front page thing. Is Squeeks still around?

59 Post deleted.

60 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2011-12-08 05:27 ID:2OkDkO20

Hey Squeeks, when clicking a citeted post like >>1 it still opens in normal kareha. Can this be fixed please? I am in fact posting this in normal kareha from my phone. Otherwise, wonderful job.

61 Post deleted.

62 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2015-11-21 21:24 ID:Yla3EtWD

/sexual/ is still listed

63 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-02 21:07 ID:BFK7brBa

I'm still unable to make posts on the mobile version.

64 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-07 09:33 ID:Heaven

Aaaaaaaa if we switched to weabot these wouldn't even be issues!
http://m.bienvenidoainternet.org/

65 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-17 01:55 ID:Heaven

Stop shilling your software, you made a thread for it you don't need to post it in unrelated places.

66 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-17 02:45 ID:Heaven

go back to 4chan please!

67 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-17 02:45 ID:bYjDKbGn

i heard /pol/ likes to call everything a shill

68 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-17 04:45 ID:Heaven

>>65
I'm sure whoever's always talking about weabot doesn't even speak Spanish lmao.

69 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-19 03:42 ID:Heaven

nothing's gonna happen either way

>>68
a brit friend was trying to get hiroyuki to bring back the textboards

70 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-20 12:58 ID:6wP2+QOe

>>53

This suggestion should be implemented. Using frames in 2016 really is quite silly. It should be trivial to use drop down boxes to navigate the different boards, and it would generally improve browsing on smartphones and tablets.

71 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-21 02:06 ID:Heaven

>Using frames in 2016 really is quite silly.

Give me a reason that isn't "well it's the standard".

72 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-21 10:32 ID:6wP2+QOe

Links open within the frame. That breaks functionality if attempting to open a YouTube link from a mobile device.

Frames scroll independently from each other. This makes navigation unnecessarily difficult for users on a device with lower screen resolutions.

73 Name: Anonymous Advisor : 2016-06-23 14:00 ID:Heaven

>>69
I hope he does bring them back, then the new users who came here when it shut down can go away.

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