Science @4-ch

All things science, philosophy, natural sciences, sociology and other related academic topics are all talked about. Debates and civil arguments are also welcome.
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1: Bionic Eye helps the blind see low-res B&W video (5) 2: WAIFUCHAN.ORG IS YOUR FRIEND C: (2) 3: We are living in a simulation (59) 4: theory (11) 5: Planetary Wind Speeds (10) 6: U F O (31) 7: CP-violation (8) 8: gaynal sex (1) 9: When will they come out with a 256 bit OS or 1024 bit CPU? (66) 10: The science of economics (pro). (8) 11: Internet, teach me math (8) 12: Earth's Magnetic Field Polarity Reversal (11) 13: [Debate] The Problem of Evil [Religion] (79) 14: Should CERN Deactivate the Large Hadron Collider? (7) 15: There are no scientific threads on this page (11) 16: Randall Museum (1) 17: Curiosity has landed on Mars! (4) 18: The "Terminator" arm on a man who lost his right arm six years ago. (2) 19: Is the Universe Finite - or Infinite (You thoughts) (50) 20: Evolution is a DIRTY LIE (117) 21: What is a specific name of this fish? (2) 22: Silicon based life, has anybody tried this? (4) 23: Psychology is a fake science (82) 24: Maximum temperature? (2) 25: What do you think of this? The disadvantage of Smarts. (5) 26: What Makes People Go Psycho? (37) 27: iPhone program enables the blind to text! (9) 28: Russian Inventor Patents Invisibility Cloak (11) 29: ((゚)Å(゚))Tokai amateur radio earthquake prediction society (10) 30: Good book for physics? (8) 31: Defuse a volcano? (15) 32: Liquid/organic circuits (14) 33: Enigmatic Marks (2) 34: Travel Through a Black Hole (19) 35: [Theory] Quantum Mechanics Thread [Physics] (6) 36: Would you break Number Code? (3) 37: Let's think how to cure the 'baldness' (22) 38: Japanese inventor develops flying sphere drone (1) 39: Strings 2011 in Uppsala, Sweden (1) 40: Proof that God Exists (615)

Bionic Eye helps the blind see low-res B&W video (5)

2 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-09-09 00:49 ID:YK7cFlej

I wackyparsed the title as "helps the blind see low-res BBW video," and thought, "Oh my God, who'd want to see that? Not even the blind!"

3 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-09-09 13:48 ID:O0l6bc7a

I guess this is meant to aid those with postpartum blindness?

4 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-09-10 23:16 ID:e7v3HBRZ

Having eyeballs that can record everything you see in ultra high definition and have a built in zoom function would be neat, but I'd prefer to keep the eyes I got currently.

5 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-12-05 03:45 ID:Nbifib5x

bionic gaynus

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WAIFUCHAN.ORG IS YOUR FRIEND C: (2)

1 Name: WAIFUCHAN.ORG IS YOUR FRIEND C: : 2014-09-25 04:52 ID:LEgx1wSC

WAIFUCHAN.ORG IS YOUR FRIEND C:

2 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-12-02 17:09 ID:FrtNC6+D

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We are living in a simulation (59)

1 Name: te-kun : 2008-04-11 22:29 ID:BePokpVk

  1. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence.
  2. Such a civilization would likely run many—say billions—of these simulations (just for fun; for research, etc.)
  3. A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn’t necessarily know that it’s inside a simulation—it’s just going about its daily business in what it considers to be the "real world."

Then the ultimate question is—if one accepts that theses 1, 2, and 3 are at least possible, which of the following is more likely?

a. We are the one civilization which develops AI simulations and happens not to be in one itself? Or,
b. We are one of the many (billions) of simulations that has run? (Remember point iii.)

In greater detail, his argument attempts to prove the trichotomy, that:

either

1. intelligent races will never reach a level of technology where they can run simulations of reality so detailed they can be mistaken for reality (or this is impossible in principle); or

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50 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-03-30 08:26 ID:sfxEy1Nu

It seems to me that any accurate, large scale universe simulation is impossible as a matter of principle. The amount of energy it would take to run, having to simulate every particle in the universe realistically and simultaneously for trillions of years, would be as much or nearly as much energy/matter as there is in the universe. Otherwise the creation of such a simulation would violate things like the law of the conservation of energy in thermodynamics. So that the universe exists at all means that there is no simulation being run, meaning that if any "ancestor" universe exists it also cannot simultaneously exist AND run "our" universe, but we exist so it can't exist, or at least we are not a simulation.

51 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-04-24 12:16 ID:C6kUYNww

>>50
We're talking about another universe you doofus. It may have way more energy available than ours.

52 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-08-04 21:29 ID:qg8wXBwD

>>50

Why would it necessarily need to be a large-scale simulation? If one wanted to study something specific (the evolution of societies) and one could run a realistic enough simulation of -that-, one presumably would only need to give the appearance of their being something more out there in the universe (esp. if one wanted the conditions to be similar to one's own universe in order to simulate something like one's own civilization).

53 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-08-06 05:54 ID:2bV08xMZ

"Cogito ergo sum" - "I think therefore I am"
And since I exist, I am assuming everybody else exist as well.

54 Name: Scientist of Love : 2014-09-08 03:45 ID:BHaKTuW0

My brain isn't simulating, it's STIMULATING.

55 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-10-06 16:41 ID:hlS59BJ6

anus

56 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-10-13 05:44 ID:t6mO+RP8

>>51
Sure, and the one simulating that universe would have more energy available, and the one after that would have more energy, so on and so forth into an effectively infinite amount of energy. Doubtful and there's no reason to believe it's true or even probable, it's superfluous. The simulation of any expanding universe would take up almost the entirety of energy in the simulating universe anyway over the course of time, and we live in an expanding universe.

57 Name: Edison Lee : 2014-11-04 12:24 ID:bhi2yEO/

Actually they would only need to simulate the planet Earth in any great detail and the rest of the universe can just be kind of guestimated.

58 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-11-10 03:47 ID:hlS59BJ6

59 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-11-23 10:15 ID:D4td6LZd

>>57

In practicing celestial navigation, one learns to think of the moon, planets, and stars not as places or even things, but as points of light projected onto a screen for our convenience...

For a lot of history, this was basically true. At this point, our most distant probes are only in the nearest suburbs of our home star. Due to the great distances involved, it becomes necessary to scale down the sensors due to the consumption/lack of power over time. We don't have pictures of the darkness out there, just a stream of numbers and that's not hard to simulate.

So anyway I guess what I'm saying is that you need to simulate at least solar system for this experiment. However you can get quite sloppy in the distant reaches of it if you make the rules of the simulation sufficiently hard (stupid entropy). Somehow I think as we gain the ability to travel further, this theory will become the simulation of the gaps.

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theory (11)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-04-29 00:43 ID:yGuRlGsQ

discrete calculations of 1s and 0s in transistors are not capable of harboring sapient life with free will, mental processes may emulate the calculations of computers but they must involve random quantum fluctuations for the being to be truly sapient

transferring control over civilization to electronic beings would be like genociding ourselves and creating simulations of sapient beings to replace us, it would be a huge mistake

2 Name: Quentin Winsterford!bEbcGEQx7M : 2014-04-29 06:33 ID:yGuRlGsQ

intredasting but not strictly proven, we know very little about such things

I think in generally we need to diversify the different forms of life that exist. However there is always a threat of one such form of life being vastly superior, expanding uncontrollably and eradicating all the others.

3 Name: Data of the Star Trek : 2014-05-02 05:00 ID:UJvilc7P

What about a cyborg with a human brain? Something that's mostly robot, but controlled by organics. It would be cool if they could transfer people to android type bodies like 'ghost in the shell' I'd totally sign on for that! Not sure though about getting a fully technolyzed body with only a human head though, (that wasn't explained in too great detail).

4 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-05-26 04:33 ID:vxxDmb0x

are these just markov chain generations?

5 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-28 03:25 ID:YkLPoYMJ

Is this the real life?

6 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-29 02:59 ID:dhO12Olx

Or is this just fantasy?

7 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-29 21:26 ID:YkLPoYMJ

Caught in a landslide,

8 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-08-03 06:35 ID:/hiJmkYB

No escape from reality.

9 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-09-09 00:48 ID:YkLPoYMJ

Open your eyes,

10 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-10-17 13:49 ID:jRJGUt+x

fag

11 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-11-19 22:53 ID:YkLPoYMJ

>>10
no u

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Planetary Wind Speeds (10)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2010-07-22 20:26 ID:NfBu+1wR

Years ago, I watched a program that was talking about how wind speeds varied from planet to planet in our solar system. Eventually it saw a correlation between distance from the sun, and wind speeds.

Surprisingly, the further you got from the sun, the faster wind speeds became. My memory gets a little vague from here on out.

Basically, the program moved on to trying to model these speeds, and was succesful, but when it went to model earth in the same way, it showed that we should be having waaaay huger winds than we do experience.

At the end of the program, they showed that the solution to the progblem was that earth had it's ice caps, which for some reason I don't remember really cut down on our wind speeds.

i'd love to watch this program again if someone knows what it's called or where to find it.

Does anyone remember this one?

2 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2010-07-25 02:29 ID:Heaven

sounds like bullshit. mars has polar ice caps, too.

3 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2010-07-28 13:01 ID:xbDtEZlH

Well I looked up Venus's weather for the hell of it and apparently the winds on Venus will circle the planet 4 to 5 times in a single Earth day, whereas Earth's winds move at barely 10% to 20% of its rotational speed.

Lets contrast the atmospheric compositions of the two planets:

-Venus:
Surface pressure 93 bar (9.3 MPa) or 9300 kPa
Composition ~96.5% Carbon dioxide
~3.5% Nitrogen
0.015% Sulfur dioxide
0.007% Argon
0.002% Water vapor
0.001 7% Carbon monoxide
0.001 2% Helium

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4 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2010-08-27 12:45 ID:5meSvUIm

Not sure if this has something to do with but temperature and pressure differences between atmospheric layers maybe affect the wind speed, considering how tornados and such are formed here.

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6 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2010-12-24 05:38 ID:5tLzHGY1

>>3

How fast does Venus spin on its axis? How fast is its revolution around the sun?

I'm thinking maybe since Venus is closer to the sun, the solar winds actually get to it? And by the time the solar winds reach Earth they're pretty much dissipated? I dunno. Astronomy and physics aren't really my thing.

7 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2010-12-24 06:35 ID:LSPho3rR

>>4
Yes, it does.

8 Name: JConner : 2011-03-19 10:01 ID:1IKkgkGP

Well, Skynet is supposed to take over April 21, 2011. The war is supposed to rage until 2029 when we destroy Skynet's master control. SO, you scientists and technogeeks need to stop posting random thoughts and GET BACK TO WORK! Be a part of the RESISTANCE, not the problem! ;)

9 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2011-06-06 08:56 ID:eoxsyW4N

>>6
Solar winds...? what?

Anyway, wind has to do with balancing the distribution of heat within an atmosphere. On earth, hurricanes/cyclones are basically heat energy flowing from the overheated tropics into temperate zones and tornadoes likewise spring from warm wet air meeting cold dry air. When two masses of air of varying temperature meet one another, bad things happen. Just bear this in mind briefly.

Every day, the earth rotates once. The surface will be exposed (on average) 12 hours a day over the course of the year. The other 12 hours a day (on average), we're in the shade. On Venus, things are quite different because the day there lasts 116 days. During this time, half of the planet is in daylight and the other half is in the shade. One half is having the worst summer day ever, the other half the worst winter day ever. You're going to get crazy wind as a result of the crazy temperature difference (relative temperature difference; Venus is on average hot as hell everywhere but moreso during the "day").

Turns out OP wanted the name of the program, not a discussion on this topic. Oops...

10 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-11-01 23:49 ID:MzWcioKW

Does methane wind blow over Uranus?

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U F O (31)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2011-03-15 03:15 ID:Cfe7sI2d

Hello, 4-ch.So, long story short. There's an UFO appearing in my neighbourhood almost every night.
https://twitter.com/blacklurker
Here's my twitter, you can read all the rest there. I will add more posts to twitter as soon as something interesting happens.
Also, I'm from southern Europe.

22 Name: a : 2011-06-26 05:58 ID:Gm2a5C5A

インドア派とアウトドア派の脳の違いって
太陽光の電磁波で脳細胞の電波受信部が麻痺しているか
そうでないかの違いだけだったのね

23 Name: a : 2011-06-26 06:12 ID:Gm2a5C5A

脳細胞自体がどんな捕食の仕方をしているか
わからないため必要なのは、人類でも捕食できるパソコンだな
金属と基盤痛すぎ

24 Name: a : 2011-06-26 06:21 ID:Gm2a5C5A

後、生物系コンピュータの製造過程でできる
ウイルスみたいな生物をどうするかが問題だな

25 Name: a : 2011-06-29 03:56 ID:Gm2a5C5A

呪術か動物を使った何かだけど(家が変化する呪術)
電波は確実に突き抜けてるね
やってる奴の家から10キロ以上はなれた家で
無線LANの個別データが検出されるし

26 Name: a : 2011-06-30 04:02 ID:2brWrJ0A

呪術でできた異空間って、扇風機程度で簡単に壊れるのねw

27 Name: : 2011-07-07 04:56 ID:s2tH0yDW

28 Name: a : 2011-07-11 11:09 ID:+0A27uBQ

日本人だけど知らなかった日本の常識
生ものよく食べるから寄生虫がいるのが当たり前になってたらしいんだけど(笑)
最近は、人のせいにすると治るって都市伝説がかなり前から流行ってる(笑)
人の真似をすると治るとか、あの人のせいで治るとか(笑)

俺が、住んでいる所本当に日本だよな~?

29 Name: J : 2011-10-08 14:27 ID:ZiIDmevu

In rural Japan
Simply changing the configuration of the X-BOX360 on the Internet
I've got a place to change the house

What it was announced that I exist in a world of double planet somewhere in the American universities?
I think the Internet World
I'm able to visually confirm

30 Name: J : 2011-10-08 14:34 ID:ZiIDmevu

Did I announced that the world exists on earth is double the American College of
I'm also in rural Japan

If you change your Internet settings for XBOX360
Home changes

Internet World that
Nuisance can be checked visually from

What can stop the waves disappear and even temporarily What is it?

31 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-10-11 00:41 ID:ldBzvoIJ

fag

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CP-violation (8)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-04-24 19:58 ID:pemWrSRv

ITT, we discuss CP.

2 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-04-24 21:28 ID:ZOXQ0PX7

Cerebral palsy? I hear they've made great advances recently in stem cell treatment for it using umbilical cord blood.

Also I read a pretty cool autobiography by someone who has it, "I Raise my Eyes to Say Yes" by Ruth Sienkiewicz-Mercer.

3 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-04-25 09:21 ID:Heaven

How exciting of a life could someone with cerebral palsy be?

Day 13,867: Well, I didn't choke to death on my own tongue today. It took me three hours to write this sentence.

4 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-04-25 14:10 ID:Heaven

CP is non-progressive so it's not a primary cause of death, and if you've got it bad you can't even commit suicide.

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6 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-05-01 15:57 ID:qlP68Oym

CP? u gonna get V&

7 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-09-30 00:38 ID:nFtOWqlW

gooby plz

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gaynal sex (1)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-08-21 00:05 ID:BqmGl1Of

gaynal sex

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When will they come out with a 256 bit OS or 1024 bit CPU? (66)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2008-08-06 07:47 ID:eXui/RyR

So how long do you think it will be before such technoloogy is widely availble to the public?
10 years? Maybe 25?

57 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2013-03-26 03:15 ID:Heaven

>>56
s/640/10120/

58 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2013-10-03 21:13 ID:Nzcs6YYK

>>55
Proof that if you are going to fail, you might as well fail superlatively.

59 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2013-11-11 01:31 ID:Heaven

>>57
if 10120 bits is enough for the whole universe, then it definitely should be enough for anyone.

60 Name: original poster : 2014-01-14 22:59 ID:uQRonXMy

This probably should have been posted to the tech board rather than here. Would it be possible for a moderator to move it?

61 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-01-28 05:51 ID:Heaven

>>60
this thread has been on this board for about 5.5 years. why move it now?

62 Name: atom : 2014-06-20 07:39 ID:AtBBl8va

hey if you get satisfied with this how can you be called science lover .

there is no certanity that homo sapiens want more than they got in every field if they want more if they want to store their memories in full hd from their mind to hard disk where is the problem real track deployment videography should be an alternative

63 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-03 17:12 ID:S0Vcz3Lt

>>59
Except an atom is not the smallest unit, so that's as arbitrary as saying "the universe is made out of 2 halves, so 2 bits should be enough for everyone!"

64 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-11 00:20 ID:D2eP3OXa

I think it would be separated that the PCs for citizen and the PCs for (Technical) Workers.
People not need such a High Speck Computers for their daily laisures.

65 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-20 08:29 ID:wOQYAa8S

It can be required the thread for this board?

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The science of economics (pro). (8)

1 Name: Percival!kH5oK7qo82 : 2014-05-01 06:34 ID:QoHhvuSp

Thread for those who are inclined to research and learn about the economy of this civilization we find ourselves born into. Principally the stock market.

2 Name: Percival!kH5oK7qo82 : 2014-05-01 08:16 ID:QoHhvuSp

Yelp Inc. (YELP) has successfully grown to dominate a niche on the internet, a cross between the yellow pages and social networking.

2013 was a major bull market but tech appears to have stalled somewhat. It is feasible there may still be growth for tech stocks like YELP, some basic research on YELP is a good place to start this thread, it shows some of the resources I use for looking up basic info on a company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelp,_Inc.

latest annual report (10-K)

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/yelp/sec-filings

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=YELP+Key+Statistics

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=YELP+Interactive#symbol=YELP;range=2y

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3 Name: Pablo : 2014-05-02 16:17 ID:9Zkvxc3I

So, what is this?

4 Name: Percival!kH5oK7qo82 : 2014-05-02 16:20 ID:QoHhvuSp

>>3
This is a forum to discuss science is it not? And what more utilitarian science is there than the science of obtaining capital?

5 Name: Percival!kH5oK7qo82 : 2014-05-10 05:53 ID:QoHhvuSp

In March and April the tech sector stalled and many bubbles burst, this may have dragged down a few innocent companies with it, that may now be excessively undervalued and bounce when investors realize the error.

FEYE is a possibility, also GOOGL. I've had a little looke at FEYE prompted by a thread in /biz/ that may still be up

http://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/325820/investments-general

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101652513

> David DeWalt, FireEye chairman and CEO, says he's focused on growing the business and discusses how the market digested the company's quarterly numbers.
> DeWalt's optimism didn't satisfy Brian Kelly of Brian Kelly Capital who had recently sold a losing position in FireEye.

Who is right?

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6 Name: Percival!kH5oK7qo82 : 2014-05-10 06:57 ID:QoHhvuSp

> FireEye Reports Financial Results for First Quarter 2014

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1370880/000119312514184813/d722841dex991.htm

7 Name: Percival!6ytVDvPN/E : 2014-06-22 00:42 ID:ap1OkolF

>>31450070
I use it to gain power in general, power gives you more options whatever your motivations. You might want to become biologically immortal, you might want to help alleviate suffering, but you can't do any of this without wealth or power.

Knowledge is useless if not wielded by the wise, and I am aware there is more to it than that. There is a kind of information economy, you need information about information to determine the chances of it being useful in the practical sense which presents an interesting dilemma, since now you also need information about information about information about information, there are some parallels with calculus, this sounds like borderline autism but I am not obsessed with this or anything, it is just an observation I have made, when it gets to this point I usually just rely on good old human common sense and approximations to make the best decision. For instance if I am looking up penny stocks and I come across a dodgy company dumping millions of shares on the market with red flags everywhere when I go to their site, I know there is no longer much point in me spending more time on this, I go to the next one. If I next find a biotech startup and there are no red flags I have to decide whether it is worth trying to understand the drug they are trying to develop myself, I have to try and determine how long it would take and the opportunity cost of spending time on it or researching more companies. Through these means I can figure out how to make reasonably effective use of my time, how to valuate companies, risk and returns and the opportunity cost of various options.

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8 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2014-07-27 08:17 ID:WnTlBeHM

What if I told you that economics is a pseudoscience, and that all the phenomena you're trying to model in such painstaking detail are random chaotic herd behavior?

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