>>32 nyahaha ol geezer, you haven't won this debate yet. this is gettin fun! Are you suggesting that we stop all embryonic stem cell research, putting it to a complete standstill, and just plop back and patiently wait for human morality to catch up to its intelligence? That ain't happenin, cause humankind has never been able to fully reconcile itself. Anyways, if we completely put a standstill to research, then our knowledge in medicine and science will never get anywhere!! I loathe this old fashioned saying, but it applies-how can we know if we never try? If we fail, then at least we know it won't work, and we can try something else. The potential in germline cells is just too tantalizing! At the risk of sounding ad hominem, I'm going to say that you must be appealing to Darwinism, or survival of the fittest. So those that don't possess advantageous genetic traits, such as superior strength or immunity to certain diseases, are bound to be outcasts. What about kids with Down syndrome, who will never get a chance to be "normal"? without research, they've got no hope for the future!!