> As for the whole abortion debate, where the hell did these overzealous Christians ever get the idea that utilizing some cells is the same thing as murdering another person... As far as the government is concerned, my date of birth was the day my mother pushed me out of her womb. I believe the government should not have any jurisdiction for any period before that.

what about the fact that if you murder a pregnant woman they try to charge you with murdering both the the woman and her unborn child?