Okay, I've come back to this after a day and I see we've reached the point where you agree that your arguments rests on the Christian God being right and not just any God. This makes logical sense because logic was coming from just any old god, such as the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then anyone could claim to be divinely inspired.

How about this, Proofthatgodexists: Let's forget about silly hypothetical things, because we don't need flying spaghetti monsters to disprove your argument.

I MYSELF know what is moral and what is not, but I do not believe in God.

How is this so? Because my morals come from myself. When I read the Bible, I see Jesus says a lot of smart things, but when I read Buddhist teachings or medieval Muslim expositions I recognize a lot of the same truths.

There are a few responses to this. The first is: "If you know which morals are correct, obviously you didn't come up with this yourself, because these morals came from the Christian God." No. Because the Christian God says things such as "an eye for an eye" and ordered killings of the Jews' enemies back in ancient times, and I don't believe those are moral.

The second, which I think is closer to what you're getting at, is: "Sure, you might think you know what's moral. But if you disagree with the Bible on anything, then you are wrong." How would you expect to argue logically with a Muslim on that point? He would say you're wrong, and you would say he's wrong, and you would resolve nothing.

You think you have divided up your argument into two separate things: first prove that God exists, then prove that the God is the Christian God. But actually you have proven nothing. What you have effectively proven is that "MORALS COME FROM SOMEWHERE," and if atheists say "morals come from the individual," making up silly hypothetical cases about child abuse is just as helpful to your eventual cause of converting us to Christianity as pointing out the immorality of jihad is to a Muslim.

And why is this so? Because while atheists recognize that child abuse is morally abhorrent, this does not conflict at all with our view that morality is determined by the individual and has numerous outside influences. In fact, it's helpful for us, because it allows us to view the judicial system as something that's supposed to remedy problems rather than punish people for disobeying God; and thus, murder is a high crime in agreement with the Ten Commandments, but rape (not mentioned in the Ten Commandments) is just as bad a crime, and adultery (mentioned in the Ten Commandments) is usually not a crime at all because we recognize that it is often its own punishment, and we feel no need to put someone to death for adultery just because God says so. And child abuse, or the Holocaust, are both crimes not because of Jesus or God, but because this is our society and we say so.