[Debate] Is God real? [Religion] (445)

1 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2007-07-01 19:02 ID:4LYwyQQi

To start off on a debate since it is allowed, I am going to go with one of the main subjects that appear in most people's discussions. Is God real?

RULES
-No flaming or trolling. Emphasis on flaming. Keep the argument down to a mild level.

-Back up what you say. I know it's hard for this, but don't just say something like "God is fake". Tell WHY you think God is fake, and use science to back it up if you have to. If you want to say "God is real", then the same goes for you. If you are going to use sources, then make sure they are credible, not just from someones blog (unless they source on that, and THAT source is credible).

-Keep this as mature as possible. This is basically like repeating the first rule, but don't let your emotions/beliefs get in the way of your argument. It makes you and your whole case look childish.

STARTING ARGUMENT:
God is not real because there is no scientific proof that he ever existed and did what he did (create people, make the world, etc.).

161 Name: Anonymous Scientist : 2007-09-30 03:29 ID:Heaven

>>160
While refreshing my memory of the work to answer that silly question, I found a passage a little more pertinent to your argument as stated in >>45. Rather then playing games of semantics, shall we revisit the original subject of this thread?

"They are still more frivolous, who say, that every effect must have a cause, because it is implyed in the very idea of effect. Every effect necessarily pre-supposes a cause; effect being a relative term, of which cause is the correlative. But this does not prove, that every being must be preceded by a cause; no more than it follows, because every husband must have a wife, that therefore every man must be marryed. The true state of the question is, whether every object, which begins to exist, must owe its existence to a cause: and this I assert neither to be intuitively nor demonstratively certain, and hope to have proved it sufficiently by the foregoing arguments." - Part III, Sect. III; please read it for the 'foregoing arguments', it's a little long and I do not want to copypasta it all

If you disagree with Hume's proof that not all beings must be preceded by a cause, please answer me this: What is the cause of the effect known as God? Would it not be more proper to pay our respects to that cause instead of its avatar?

If you do not disagree, why is it any less valid to postulate that logic, morality, or the physical world have always existed than it is that God has always existed?

162 Name: proofthatgodexists.org : 2007-09-30 04:59 ID:Heaven

>>161
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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