>>681 I meant to comment on the OE thing. I know a lot of Old Etonians. There are I think 7 in my workplace, of about 60 barristers. They are to a man polished, elegant, well spoken, perfect English gentlemen. They exude empathy and have been taught to listen, to be polite and to respect the views of others (which makes them such good barristers - clients understandably love this) (and politicians - Cameron exuded empathy and convinced everyone he was somehow ordinary Dave chillaxing with a box set, which could not have been further from the truth).

But they are also by and large incredibly laid back. These men have been told from age 13 that they are the masters of the universe (and many of them are, societally, economically and intellectually). They know where they are, and it's at the top. As such they are rarely strivers. That feeling one gets with TH - that he absolutely busts a gut to do everything, from career advancement to being a great gentleman - is not a classic OE thing at all, in my experience. They make it look effortless.