I'm not voting for any candidate that supports warantless wiretapping and other NSA shenanigans. So I'm probably voting Green in 2016. Look at these tie-dye hippies. Ugh. :(
Granted my single vote means absolutely nothing, let's go ahead and talk about reality. Democrats are probably going to have Biden and Hillary battling for first place. I'd prefer Biden if only because I really like Biden, personally. Hillary is a great politician, but she's so eager to toe the party line and speak highly of the NSA and every other bad decision our country has made lately that you might as well just go ahead and vote for Big Brother. Biden's equally guilty, but let's hope it's him just for the potential comedy that will accidentally flow out of his mouth at every press conference. It's unfortunate that the party hasn't bothered to cultivate anyone else at all.
The Republicans' best chance is Christie and I wouldn't be afraid for the future of our country should he get the nomination and win. However, he won't because the Republican party is ruled by a minority of lunatics. Thankfully it can't be Ted Cruz because HE'S A FILTHY CANADIAN. Will it be Rand Paul? That's a Democratic wet dream right there, so here's hoping. Another Bush? Are we really that stupid as a nation? Probably. Who else do they have?
Hillary hasn't actually done anything. No leadership, no actual accomplishments of note, and as Benghazi shows, she's even bad at covering up her own incompetence.
She's got my vote!
>>4
She was a senator and secretary of state. How is that not leadership? Don't get me wrong, I don't really care for her all that much, but I still think she's qualified to hold the position. Besides all that, she was pretty much the unofficial vice president for eight years.
Will bridge-Gate end Christie's chances? Has Christie peaked too early? And if he isn't the nominee then who? 2016 is still a long way away.
What's the point of voting? I bet everyone who voted for Obama feels like an idiot because they believed there would be change. Obama's one chance to step up (NSA revelations) and he came out with some bullshit about "absolute privacy".
We deserve better than this. Every politician is full of shit.
And now for some NON Hillary/Christie news. The senate agrees to raise the debt ceiling despite a filibuster by Ted Cruz.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/cruzs-latest-fillibuster-threat
Needless to say Mitch McConnell and some of his fellow republican senators were somewhat chagrined by Cruz' actions.
H. Cinton fired for ethics and moral issues early in career:
http://digitaljournal.com/article/252624
Should be behind bars
Breaking NON Hillary/Christie news!
Eric Cantor Stunned By Tea Party Challenger Dave Brat In Massive Upset!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/10/virginia-primary-results_n_5479472.html
HERE WE GO
Rand Paul is actually a good candidate.
A GOOD CANDIDATE.
WHAT THE FUCK, WE HAVE AN ACTUALLY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT.
>>18
Probably, that sounds like a Rand Paul thing to do.
man, I really hate the US's lust for Israel. ~500 politicians in congress and all of them are so desperate to prove they love Israel more, not because any of them give a shit, but because their constituents think god needs the jews in that area for his magic trick where he reappears.
And its super sad when its compelling people to try and fuck over a deal with Iran. Seriously, we get Iran to destroy all but their medical centrifuge, they can finally buy shit to get their unused nuclear power plant running, we can buy oil from them, and US businesses can sell them shit; which as a very westernized middle eastern country, their young people really want our goods.
prediction: Bernie Sanders will win in the Democratic primary, but Hillary will be the nominee by some bullshit. Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee, and everyone will complain about how both candidates are horrible. More than 90% of voters will still choose to vote for either of those two candidates.
And now for the first news of the 2016 election!
Fox News announces 10 candidates for Thursday’s prime-time debate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fox-news-announces-gop-candidates-participate-first-debate
making the cut:
Real estate mogul Donald Trump
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
Neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson
Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas
Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida
Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie
Ohio Gov. John Kasich
and for those not invited:
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry
Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal
Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
Former New York Gov. George Pataki
Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore
Bernie Sanders would be a fine candidate and I would gladly vote for him if he won the primary. Polls show he does better when given the choice of him or one of his republican opponents. But then I'm also fine with Hillary, as at this point I just want the Democrat who has the best odds of becoming president.
for the liberals Obama was a great candidate, a good old black boy with a crazily multicultural background who did all sorts of borderline commie communal collectivist shit in his community center, Hillary though would be a mistake for reasons already mentioned, they need someone more like Obama
>>17
Is there any candidate who doesn't? Even Bernie Sanders is a fucking Zionist.
On the plus side it looks like Obama now has the votes to uphold his nuclear deal with Iran. But how will Rand Paul vote on the issue?
And now Obama has 41 senators on his side, enough to filibuster any attempt from the Mitch to derail the Iran deal. Looks like we won't need Rand Paul's vote after all.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/supporters-iran-deal-cross-another-key-threshold
We should just take away Israel's nukes. Iran wouldn't have any reason to build their own nukes.
>>28
Of course, Constitutionally speaking, Obama needs sixty-seven (67) Senators to approve the treaty he and Kerry have just negotiated with Iran.
And yes, any international agreement with the signatures of heads of state is a "treaty." Obama can call it a "deal" and say that means he doesn't require Congressional approval. If a cat gives birth to a litter of kittens in an old oven, I can call them "biscuits." It doesn't make it so.
Not that it matters if the spineless, gutless pseudo-opposition in the Senate continue just rolling over for him and doing whatever he wants. Constitution? What Constitution? That moldy piece of paper that some dead white guys signed? Get hip to the times, boys and girls. The only thing that matters in the New Century is the Fuehrerprinzip.
And Rick Perry is first republican to bail! who will be next?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rick-perry-drops-out-2016-race
(really, 'meth'? What kind of captcha is that?!?)
The second debate line up is much like the first except that this time Carly Fiorina will be at the main event and Jim Gilmore didn't even get enough for the mini debate, also Rick Perry will likely not be making an appearance as his campaign was suspended.
Great Scott! Another one bites the dust! Walker also bails!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/scott-walker-drop-out-presidential-race
At this point I want trump to win just for the lulz.
This is our alternative to 4chan? A dead board?
>>38
probably from some shitty place where they think volume is more important than SNR.
Biden is out! Hillary is now unstoppable!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/joe-biden-not-running-president
Lincoln Chafee also calls it quits!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/chafee-quits-presidential-race
This leaves only Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Martin O’Malley running in the Democratic party.
>>41
we all know it's going to come down to hillary vs. bernie. why would anyone else bother to stay in the race?
And now Jindal is out!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bobby-jindal-ends-2016-presidential-campaign
And Lindsey Graham is also out!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lindsey-graham-ends-presidential-bid
George Pataki is out to!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/pataki-ending-2016-bid
Sarah Palin backs Donald Trump in Republican primary!!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sarah-palin-endorse-donald-trump
He probably got the idea to run from her appearance on 'Saturday Night Live' where she mused to Jerry Seinfield that she would choose him as her running mate. Maybe the Donald can thank Palin for her endorsement by making her his vice president pick!
4chan's /pol/ doesn't know what they're talking about
#Bernie 2016
And now for the Iowa caucus results!
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia
On the republican side, Cruz wins!
candidate % delegates
Cruz 28% 8
Trump 24% 7
Rubio 23% 7
Carson 9% 3
Paul 4% 1
Bush 3% 1
Fiorina 2% 0
Kasich 2% 0
Huckabee 2% 0
Christie 2% 0
Santorum 1% 0
And Huckabee bails out
On the Democrat side things were a lot closer with Hilary at 50% and Bernie at 49%
She got 24 delegates to his 21
and O'Malley also calls it quits.
And now Rand Paul calls it quits!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-suspends-presidential-campaign
Santorum is also out! But he gives his endorsement to Rubio.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/rick-santorum-dropping-presidential-bid/index.html
New Hampshire Primary results!
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/nh/
On the republican side, Trump wins!
Trump 97,276 35% 10
Kasich 43,414 16% 4
Cruz 32,164 12% 3
Bush 30,418 11% 3
Rubio 28,930 11% 2
Christie 20,501 7% 0
Fiorina 11,415 4% 0
Carson 6,297 2% 0
for the Democrats Sanders wins
Sanders 144,391 60% 15
Clinton 92,191 38% 14
And now Christie and Fiorina are out!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/chris-christie-suspends-2016-presidential-campaign
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carly-fiorina-suspends-presidential-campaign
Mr.Trump is terrorists
Gilmore drops out (who?)
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gilmores-withdrawal-shrinks-gop-field-six
Donald Trump Wins South Carolina Primary!
And he gets ALL that state's delegates!!
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/sc/
Trump 239,851 32.5% 50
Rubio 165,881 22.5% 0
Cruz 164,790 22.3% 0
Bush 57,863 7.8% 0
Kasich 56,206 7.6% 0
Carson 53,326 7.2% 0
Bush bails out!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jeb-bush-leaves-behind-party-he-can-barely-recognize
And in Nevada Clinton beats Sanders 52 to 47...
Trump Wins Nevada!
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/nv/
Trump 34,531 45.9% 14
Rubio 17,940 23.9% 7
Cruz 16,079 21.4% 6
Carson 3,619 4.8% 1
Kasich 2,709 3.6% 1
Christie endorses Trump!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-reactions-christies-endorsement-trump-show-splits
And now for the super tuesday results!
Trump wins Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Vermont, and Virginia!
Cruz wins Alaska, Oklahoma, and Texas!
Rubio wins Minnesota.
Total delegates:
Donald Trump 298
Ted Cruz 203
Marco Rubio 100
John Kasich 23
Ben Carson 7
On the Democrat side
Clinton wins American Samoa, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia!
Sanders wins Colorado, Minnesota, Oklahoma, and Vermont!
Massachusetts was pretty much a tied with slight edge for Hillary.
And now Carson is out! He will be missed.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ben-carson-officially-suspends-his-presidential-campaign
It's not often that you get a candidate who admits to trying to bonk his mom with a hammer.
I still don't understand what Carson's qualifications were aside from "a smart man."
Also, I sure am glad someone else decided they were in charge of this thread this time around.
Kansas Republican Caucus Results: 40 delegates in contention
✔Cruz: 48.2% - 24 delegates
Trump: 23% - 9
Rubio: 16% - 6
Kasich: 10% - 1
Source: CNN
Kansas Democratic Caucus Results: 33 delegates in contention
✔Sanders: 67% - 23
Clinton: 23% - 10
Maine Republican Caucus Results: 23 delegates
✔Cruz: 45% - 12
Trump: 32% - 9
Kasich: 12% - 2
Rubio: 6% - 0
Source: CNN
Trump wins Kentucky and Louisiana!
Sanders also wins Nebraska
Clinton wins Louisiana and American Samoa
American Samoa isn't even a state! How do they get any say in this?
Unfortunately, it's looking more and more like Clump will win.
Delegate totals to date:
Republican: (1237 needed to win)
Trump: 389
Cruz: 302
Rubio: 126
Democrats: (2383 needed to win)
Clinton: 1138
Sanders: 483
Next:
Today: Maine Democrats, Puerto Rico Republicans
3/8: Hawaii Republicans, Idaho Republicans, Michigan, and Mississippi
3/12: DC Republicans, Guam Republicans, and Northern Mariana Islands Democrats
Rubio wins Puerto Rico
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/pr/
It seems they didn't appreciate the Donald's comments about Mexicans, though Trump still managed to beat Cruz
tuesday two!
On the republican side:
Trump wins Michigan, Mississippi, and Hawaii!
Cruz wins Idaho!
On the Democrat side:
Clinton wins Mississippi in a landslide!
Sanders squeaks out a win in Michigan.
Fiorina endorses Cruz!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carly-fiorina-endorses-ted-cruz
Carson endorses Trump!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ben-carson-endorses-donald-trump
On Tuesday, the most important race of the election cycle takes place: The Northern Mariana Islands Republican Caucuses. Up for grabs are nine whole delegates in a winner-take-all contest that's sure to decide once and for all who the Republican candidate will be in 2016. As the saying goes, in some alternate reality where Saipan is comprised of gold nuggets and sits atop the world's largest petroleum reserve: SO GOES THE NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS, SO GOES THE NATION!
There are no opinion polls, which is a shame because it would be a pretty easy poll to conduct. Around 53,000 people live on the islands, almost all of them on Saipan. Last time around, Mitt Romney won 87% of the 848 votes cast (and his son actually traveled to the island to campaign on his behalf!).
Interestingly, Donald Trump of all people (or at least his writer) bothered to mention them here:
They also got some press from Carson's people, but he's out of the race and I closed that tab, so too bad.
It might be worth mentioning that a media buy in the Northern Marianas is an extremely efficient use of campaign dollars. One Republican delegate in the CNMI represents 5,890+/- people (not necessarily Republicans, just population). In contrast, a California delegate represents 227,500 people. The two terrestrial television stations are simulcasts from Guam, but there are ten local radio stations and two daily newspapers. Satellite television dominates viewing hours, but likely primary voters tend to be radio listeners and newspaper readers. Just a thought if you're running for president four years from now!
Rubio wins District of Columbia
Cruz wins Wyoming!
Donald Trump wins the Northern Mariana Islands, taking 73% of the vote. Cruz came in second with 24%. Other contenders barely show.
Trump wins Florida, besting Florida Senator Rubio. Rubio is out.
Kasich wins Ohio, his home state. He's staying in.
Trump takes Illinois, Missouri, and North Carolina.
Clinton takes Ohio, Florida, North Carolia and (probably) Illinois. Missouri still too close to call.
With Rubio out that just leaves Kasich as the last hope of the establishment to beat the Donald! Will he be able to get a contested convention or will Trump seize the win? And what of Cruz? Will sit idly by while the establishment gives the crown to Kasich or will he put up a fight and run as an independent?
Delegate totals to date:
Republican: (1237 needed to win)
Trump: 640
Cruz: 405
Kasich: 138
(All non-Trump combined: 725)
Democrats: (2383 needed to win)
Clinton: 1568
Sanders: 797
No official winner in Missouri yet, where only 1,531 votes separate Sanders and Clinton. Missouri: the Florida of 2016.
Next:
3/21: Democrats Abroad
3/22: American Samoan Republicans, Arizona, Utah, and Idaho Democrats
With Rubio out of the running Nikki Haley changes her endorsement to Cruz!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nikki-haley-says-its-my-prayer-ted-cruz-can-defeat-trump
Florida governor Rick Scott endorses the Donald!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/florida-governor-calls-gop-unite-behind-trump
Mitt Romney also endorses Cruz!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/mitt-romney-says-he-will-vote-ted-cruz
Missouri went to Clinton. Final score: 49.61% to 49.37%. Another dominating performance by the Clinton camp, granted you don't know what numbers mean.
>A recount would probably not affect the number of delegates awarded, [Sanders] told AP. He would "prefer to save the taxpayers of Missouri more money."
Clinton gets 34 delegates as a result, and Sanders gets 32.
Democrats Abroad global primary results: (13 delegates at stake)
✔Sanders: 69% - 9
Clinton: 31% - 4
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-wins-democrats-abroad-primary-215621700.html
Today is what CNN has dubbed "Western Tuesday" because 2.5 Western states and half a territory are voting today. Arizona and Utah vote for both parties. American Samoa and Idaho Republicans are voting too.
Trump wins Arizona!
Cruz wins Utah!
Sanders wins Idaho and Utah!
Clinton wins Arizona!
And Jeb Bush endorses Cruz to!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jeb-bush-endorses-ted-cruz-urges-gop-reject-donald-trump
Washington goes to Sanders.
✔Sanders: 71% - 24
Clinton: 28% - 6
Source: CNN
Alaska also goes to Sanders too:
✔Sanders: 79.2% - 12
Clinton: 20.8% - 3
Source: CNN
Delegate count to date:
Republicans: (1237 needed to win/contest)
Trump: 742
Not Trump: 788
Democrats: (2383 needed to win)
Clinton: 1733
Sanders: 1039
Upcoming:
4/1 - North Dakota Republicans
4/5 - Wisconsin primary
4/9 - Colorado Republicans, Wyoming Democrats
Wisconsin governor Scott Walker also endorses Ted Cruz!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-backs-ted-cruz
Sanders and Cruz win Wisconsin!
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/wi/
Giuliani endorses the Donald!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rudy-giuliani-says-hes-voting-donald-trump
The Unwashed Masses
I am so tired, tired spiritually and emotionally of it all. I know I am not the only one. Bernie and Trump are manifestations of the people's discontent with the system. I am so sick of being labeled. We label everything. We sit back and critique and criticize while we do.... nothing. Our country is dying. I can't even let my children watch american cartoons anymore, it is THAT bad.
the whole world sees us for what we are. They see our government for what it does and what it destroys. I think it has come to the point that even with choices that maybe aren't that great, so long as they are anti establishment we flock to them en mass.
We are the ones keeping this system going, so many of us are disillusioned groups do rash things like taking over nature reserves. Things here have degraded so badly that the people, the collective consciousness of America is starting to wake up and lash back. We have to fix this and the only way we can is to DO SOMETHING. we have to change our government before it devours us all. I love the term "unwashed masses".
It makes me chuckle. we unwashed masses keep your computers running. We grow the crops that feed your family. We build the things you use to make your everyday life that much more enjoyable yet we are racist, sexist, ignorant fools who don't matter until we begin washing over the system with waves of change. Then we are relevant because we are "so backwards" we will "make it worse".
It's already worse. Our course is unsustainable. I walk down the halls of my work everyday and see people of every race color and creed and i do not judge them. they do not judge me. we speak kindly we say "hello" "how are you today" "hey how's it goin!" yet if you watch any of the divisive junk on tv you would think we walk the halls glaring waiting for a turned back so we can beat the person because of their skin color, shoot them because we are rednecks. This is not how it is. WE the UNWASHED MASSES are not just the cogs in the machine, we ARE the machine. we make it work, we maintenance it, if care for it and for our troubles we have had an establishment destroy us, rob us, degrade us everyday in pop culture news and tv. destroy our foreign relationships, give away our nation to unaccountable corporations whom then pay lobbyists to pay off and bribe those supposedly representing us.
I think we could bounce straight into fascism. But if we do it is because we were handed the ultimate betrayal by a system that is already cannibalizing us. Not because we are the problem, because THEY are the problem.
It's Do-Or-Die-TUESDAY, the first time in a long time that the New York primary has been anything other than a victory lap.
Opinion polls (average by way of realclearpolitics.com)
Democrats: Clinton: 53.1%, Sanders: 41.4%
Republicans: Trump: 53.1%, Not Trump: 40.9%
Let's see if those numbers hold up!