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1: [Technology] Linux or GNU/Linux? (17) 2: ASS>BOOBS (19) 3: Are pedophilia and child pornography wrong? (20) 4: Debate should be deleted (6) 5: Is goodness of art objective or subjective? (8) 6: This board is a piece of shit (7) 7: Is there any point to space-travel? (11) 8: Smart (3) 9: It's okay to punch a Nazi (14) 10: ✨ Wonder Woman ✨ (3) 11: 8chan is down, is it over? (3) 12: [LGBT] Iceman is suddenly gay. What gives? (15) 13: exhentai is down, is it over? (4) 14: 4chan is down, is it over? (4) 15: Something must be done about /dqn/ (14) 16: Estonia??? NO SUCH NATION. (24) 17: The JS - "jewish solution" (7) 18: Lets discuss the Nazi heritage (160) 19: What do you think of illegal immigrants? (32) 20: Do you belive in miracles? (30) 21: The end of privacy. The Surveillance Society (4) 22: Nasty, ubiquitous and unloved (4) 23: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN !! (2) 24: What exactly is culture? (3) 25: Would you rather have the cure for tinnitus discovered or the cure for cancer discovered? (7) 26: NO, YOU (12) 27: I don't get this attitude (9) 28: Why Japanese do not be able to speak English? (6) 29: Your opinion on WoW addicts/addiction to similar online MMORPGs? (11) 30: Which state do you hate the most? (21) 31: im hungry. (6) 32: History of Suicide Attack (15) 33: What do you think of illegal immigrants? (40) 34: (´・ω・`)Why does Team Rocket buy a giant robot instead of a shitload of food? (15) 35: evo vs cre vs id (5) 36: Global Warming (13) 37: iIf you had the power to change humanity.. (3) 38: deneld drumpf of hiloli clitton (2) 39: social status, anxiety and hubris (1) 40: Legality of porn (8)

[Technology] Linux or GNU/Linux? (17)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-02 09:04 ID:zi/Fxmkr

Is the operating system "Linux" or "GNU/Linux"? What do you call it, and why?

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-01-22 06:11 ID:uNmJEjhu

GNU is the userland, applications like text editors, compilers, the user interface and so on. It is truly not Unix, because although it follows Unix conventions, it does not re-use any Unix code. However, it is possible for a GNU system to INCLUDE actual Unix, in the form of the kernel. The most common version of GNU is GNU/Linux, that is the GNU userland combined with the Linux kernel. Linux is not part of GNU, but likewise is Unix-like without using any actual original Unix code. However, there is such a thing as GNU/kFreeBSD, that is the GNU userland combined with the kernel from FreeBSD, FreeBSD being actual real Unix, as it is a development branch of the original Unix operating system from the 1970s, rather than a reimplementation from scratch like Linux is. So technically, a GNU/kFreeBSD operating system does include some real Unix code, however it does not invalidate the GNU acronym, since GNU is the userland, not the entire operating system. It wouldn't be entirely accurate to label it as a Unix operating system either, as the numerous userland utilities that come with most distributions of Unix have been replaced with their GNU equivalents. It may therefore be regarded as a fusion of Unix and non-Unix (GNU).

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-03-05 19:15 ID:QTqqfCZe

dicks out for Harambe

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-30 07:57 ID:S1n/mPUw

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-06-17 22:29 ID:MCAs//JK

I lean to GNU/Linux lately because there are a lot of attempts these days to wipe the principles of the FSF out of the picture in favore of a mere "open source" view that's more palatable to corporate plunderers, the same sort who push for more "liberal" licences rather than GPL so that they can grab cheap source code and roll it into proprietary products. A Linux without the principles of GNU behind it and with increasing amounts of unfree software worming its way in is little more than a crappy third Windows/MacOS. Preserve Free Software's freedom.

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-08-18 08:39 ID:mvmT+lxV

Ganoo slash Linox

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-08-22 03:45 ID:Heaven


14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-28 19:54 ID:xqBP3cYR

>> 10
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-28 19:54 ID:xqBP3cYR

>> 11
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

16 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-28 19:55 ID:xqBP3cYR

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-11-24 02:53 ID:Heaven


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1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-04-01 10:59 ID:ClztyOjg


10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-21 03:27 ID:8CDSeNPg

some ass and no boobs is better than some boobs but no ass. It just looks wrong

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-21 03:28 ID:8CDSeNPg

some ass and no boobs is better than some boobs but no ass. It just looks wrong

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-21 03:29 ID:8CDSeNPg

some ass and no boobs is better than some boobs but no ass. It just looks wrong

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-05-05 20:29 ID:Heaven

The quality has really gone down on this forum.
Look at the history of you don't believe me.

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15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-07-22 14:07 ID:UM4cP6cj

Boobs are way better. I already have an ass.

16 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-10-27 06:34 ID:2RgoiG/o

Ass is way better. I already have boobs.

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-09 02:01 ID:1oq2e1+4

Butt sex is best sex

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-12 05:38 ID:jyuXmbFy


Are you a girl? OH wait there are no girls on the internet lol.

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-12 05:39 ID:jyuXmbFy


Still 6 years later this guy is absolutely right.

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Are pedophilia and child pornography wrong? (20)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-05-12 00:28 ID:EoMyNKuq

I think that pedophiles get far too much of a hard time. Like other paraphilias and sexual orientations, many pedophiles cannot help how they feel. The press has a tendency to use "pedophile" and "child molester" synonymously, when they aren't always one and the same. Pedophilia is a recognized mental disorder, but many pedophiles are missing out on proper support because of the stigma and paranoia surrounding pedophilia. Is being a pedophile wrong in itself?

What about child pornography? From what I gather, most child pornography isn't Uncle Bill raping his niece, but rather "child modelling" photographs from where/when it is/was perfectly legal. The children and their parents consented. For material that has already been produced, should mere possession be illegal? Will it encourage further production and increased child molestation, or will it give pedophiles an outlet for their desires? What about lolicon, which is increasingly being covered by the same laws in many countries?

11 Name: >>7 : 2012-06-28 09:28 ID:jAufVJai

Bah, I keep forgetting to reset the post formatting. URL should be obvious enough though.

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-09-07 12:03 ID:b2DG0wLP

Being a pedophile? No.
Molesting children? Yes.
Getting your rocks off at CP? No.

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-10-09 14:05 ID:Heaven


14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-08 04:17 ID:odIPlsin


15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-03-10 18:40 ID:rOdBxs6C

dicks out for Harambe

16 Name: Anonymous Hebe Fan : 2019-01-15 22:06 ID:AVg2Cg4A

Agreed but what about loli. I mean I know shota is absolutely haram but Stanley Kubrick. True Story?

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-02-08 14:35 ID:wPXiDWba

There's way too many people crying "pedophile" on the internet these days that it's starting to lose its meaning. While there are legitimate cases of actual child abuse, porn, and grooming being inflicted on real children through places like Twitter, Tumblr, and Discord, it becomes a joke when people use said cases to justify their argument on why loli and shota should be banned.

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-17 03:27 ID:lw6DklXe

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-16 14:51 ID:dB4XClka

>MCMICHAEL claimed this post was a joke

20 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-08-06 16:13 ID:Cg1K9ML5

This p. much, "pedophile" is to the right wing what "Nazi" is to the left wing, i.e. a lazy mud-sling for "people I disagree with who are therefore evil incarnate regardless of the (in)applicability of the term's actual meaning".

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Debate should be deleted (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-11-18 01:30 ID:tmu/DOZx

Debate is dead and therefore not used and therefore should be deleted.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-05 12:38 ID:7s79S2VP

That doesn't mean people won't want to use it at all and it's getting some activity now; it should stay.

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-02-25 08:09 ID:geLK7vn9

I agree.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-10-26 03:18 ID:OHWaxf4o


5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-10-20 07:01 ID:/a2grVCw

dicks out for Harambe

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-06-21 21:31 ID:CouaOo7j

delete my anus

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Is goodness of art objective or subjective? (8)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-05 12:30 ID:PTEEp0Tf

Do you think there are any cases in which certain pieces could be considered objectively better than others and why?
I especially want this person to answer.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-07 22:35 ID:Heaven

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-08 07:40 ID:Heaven


4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-27 13:51 ID:Heaven

What is and how?

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-17 23:44 ID:equKB5It

he means that he dislikes 8chan, and linking to it even more so

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-05-05 20:24 ID:Heaven

If >>5 is true, answer:
8chan overall is shit I agree, but what about that particular thread?

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-01-06 18:10 ID:Pp0pshAr

Bumping because I think it's an interesting topic

I've found that it is objective, but not in the way people think it is. The vast, vast majority of people will generally perceive art the same way. If a movie is dramatic and does a good job being dramatic than everyone will see it as such.

If we apply this to the theory that art is communicate, than it should follow that good art is art that the public agrees on the artist with.

In other words, the value of a work is subjective, but the clarity of it is objective.

If someone tells a bad joke, the joke isn't bad because it is a joke or even because it was a joke about something you don't like, it's bad because he paced it wrong.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-03-17 08:36 ID:DGB9BdwA

Supposing that goodness in this context means: value, worth, importance.

The way I see it, the concept of goodness is purely a product of human mind.
Since "goodness" is not measurable objectively, it is subjective.

The answer could vary a lot depending on your definition of "goodness", of course. If it is effort taken to create something, you could probably measure that. Or, perhaps, like the other anon said, clarity. Human reaction is measurable, too.
The thing is, however, your definition of "goodness" and the criteria used is still based on subjectivity somewhere down the line. The question is, where exactly? It's based on your values, of course.

OP is asking: "Do you think there are any cases in which certain pieces could be considered objectively better than others and why?"

Taking >>7 anon as an example, he essentially says "if art should communicate, then art should have clarity". If you accept this, then indeed it is a case where one piece of art could be considered better than another one. (not sure if it could be called objective)

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This board is a piece of shit (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-08-27 23:38 ID:NA9SIaAi

Prove me wrong.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-09-03 02:52 ID:UpSAgmHi

Yes but there are boards shittier than this

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-14 03:57 ID:k5bPeSA8


The important question is : does anyone in this planet even know the existence of the board in the first place?

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-15 23:01 ID:+LSl8rVK

Wonder Woman does.

5 Post deleted.

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-12-01 17:35 ID:gBK1oce2

The more important questing is: do you WANT more people to know of the existence of this board?

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-12-02 17:44 ID:gBK1oce2



Fuck, I meant "question".

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Is there any point to space-travel? (11)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-09-08 03:54 ID:dNB93Xj+

I can't see any reason to waste any time on it. In the end, isn't all we need already here? Would life in space even be sustainable?

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-09-17 14:25 ID:K5nDobr+

I agree with you
fuck space

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-06 15:08 ID:dUOv/Xr0

To let the human race live on and not end it with the unavoidable end of the world.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-03-12 13:29 ID:Imvv6CJV

dicks out for Harambe

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-05-19 14:35 ID:MVJAEr3s


pls read something about black holes

the death of our universe is inevitable

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-02-10 15:50 ID:FlQCwswK

The moment that humans leave Earth is the moment that they get cancer from space radiation because humans haven't evolved to withstand the true effects of the Sun due to the Earth's Ozone later.

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-04-30 00:28 ID:qLOQHfR8

Let me put it to you this way. No matter what happens, as long as we live , our very existence dooms this planet. now matter how many farms we plant, no matter how many mines we dig, we will never sate the devilish thirst of man. If we do not expand into space (which is an entirely possible prospect) society will collapse in on itself, our need for resources greater than our means to provide them. The sooner we are able to expand into space the sooner our we are able to meet our unstoppable and inevitable demand for resources, and the sooner we can preserve human life, prosperity, and our planet.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-04-30 00:31 ID:qLOQHfR8

Srry for typos. Poor editing skills//

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-05-10 01:16 ID:qLOQHfR8


Yes the universe will surely collapse in on itself before our sun dies and we use up all of our resources. How moronic.

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-05-14 18:52 ID:Heaven

Human life is not worth preserving

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-28 07:54 ID:nJd1RU+y

Haven't you seen Star Trek? Space is pretty cool bro.

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Smart (3)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 09:56 ID:1edKrmxU

Harvard Professor Howard Gardner’s brilliant conception of individual competence, known as Multiple Intelligences theory, has changed the face of learning and development. Professor Howard Gardner (Harvard University) has identified eight intelligences including musical–rhythmic, visual–spatial, verbal–linguistic, logical–mathematical, bodily kinaesthetic, interpersonal, intra-personal, and naturalistic.

In recent years, MIT can potentially include existential intelligence and pedagogical intelligence too. Tens of thousands of educators & researchers have explored the practical implications and applications of this powerful notion, that there is not one type of intelligence but several, ranging from musical intelligence to the intelligence involved in self-understanding!

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 20:14 ID:ULCpvX4k

2 get

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-11 05:09 ID:ULCpvX4k

btw is there a shitposting intelligence?

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It's okay to punch a Nazi (14)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-10-30 23:31 ID:I+G9D4rt

It's okay to punch a Nazi

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-04-19 08:04 ID:TkopAkk6

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-04-21 21:25 ID:TkopAkk6

It is okay to deport an illegal alien.

7 Post deleted.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-04-26 13:51 ID:TkopAkk6

The teaching of history should convey only facts and be free from political motives, personal opinions, biases, propaganda, and other common tactics of distortion. Every claim that is made about history should also be accompanied by documentation proving its basis. Only responsible scholarship and teaching should be permitted. Those who intend to support particular political interests and agendas should have their biased historical interpretations criticized for lacking proof.

9 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-05-16 14:11 ID:Heaven

It's okay to punch back!

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-05-17 17:43 ID:kQiuLueB


11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2018-08-15 21:47 ID:FD2Hkt/5

its okay to punch your wifes kid

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-03 08:10 ID:e5xdRAOJ


Aren't they part of the history book and in graveyard? So how do you attack the past and the dead?

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-05 22:48 ID:8ZR5tdwH

It's okay to punch a Wonder Woman spammer like >>12

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 07:25 ID:1uRdeYpO


Maybe Trump is the best target instead?

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✨ Wonder Woman ✨ (3)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-12 07:09 ID:hEDk+PNJ

With the powers of a god and the fighting spirit of an Amazon, Wonder Woman is Earth's fiercest defender. On Themyscira, Diana was trained from birth to be a warrior. Her skills in battle are unmatched, as are her bullet-stopping bracelets and Lasso of Truth. Now, relive her greatest triumphs!

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-13 06:14 ID:4fhSobh5


3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-03 08:09 ID:ih8ydDo+

Wonder Woman : "I have a beautiful generous body and I really like intimacy in all its forms. Cum see for yourself and give me that orgasm I need!"
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