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1: Good Things About the US (21) 2: Which state do you hate the most? (26) 3: Why Japanese do not be able to speak English? (7) 4: Sex with kids (6) 5: Are pedophilia and child pornography wrong? (21) 6: Smart (4) 7: [Technology] Linux or GNU/Linux? (17) 8: ASS>BOOBS (19) 9: Debate should be deleted (6) 10: Is goodness of art objective or subjective? (8) 11: This board is a piece of shit (7) 12: Is there any point to space-travel? (11) 13: It's okay to punch a Nazi (14) 14: ✨ Wonder Woman ✨ (3) 15: 8chan is down, is it over? (3) 16: [LGBT] Iceman is suddenly gay. What gives? (15) 17: exhentai is down, is it over? (4) 18: 4chan is down, is it over? (4) 19: Something must be done about /dqn/ (14) 20: Estonia??? NO SUCH NATION. (24) 21: The JS - "jewish solution" (7) 22: Lets discuss the Nazi heritage (160) 23: What do you think of illegal immigrants? (32) 24: Do you belive in miracles? (30) 25: The end of privacy. The Surveillance Society (4) 26: Nasty, ubiquitous and unloved (4) 27: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN http://fart.ga/ !! (2) 28: Would you rather have the cure for tinnitus discovered or the cure for cancer discovered? (7) 29: What do you think of illegal immigrants? (40) 30: evo vs cre vs id (5) 31: History of Suicide Attack (14) 32: Global Warming (13) 33: iIf you had the power to change humanity.. (3) 34: deneld drumpf of hiloli clitton (1) 35: social status, anxiety and hubris (1) 36: I don't get this attitude (8) 37: Legality of porn (8) 38: What exactly is culture? (2) 39: [2011.03] good bye Japan [2011.03] (6) 40: What really happened on 9/11? (38)

Good Things About the US (21)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2010-12-27 01:17 ID:nCR+1UoM

Everyone is always deriding the US and focusing on its problems, all while ignoring the good things!

Compared to much of the world it's a pretty decent place!

Let me list off some good things about the US, just off the top of my head:

-Labor Unions
-Insurance
-Regulations on Corporations (I know they aren't perfect, but things could be SOOOOO much worse, it's not even funny)
-Right to vote
-Right to own firearms
-Right to protest
-Right to criticize the government/have aberrant opinions
-Right to own land

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12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2011-03-18 13:20 ID:864YsoCo

  • PUBLIC RESTROOMS. Need I say more? I think there are only two in all of Europe. There was one in Berlin, but the Soviets dragged it back to Moscow after the war and put it in the Kremlin for use only by Party officials.
  • Trash receptacles conveniently located. This goes hand-in-hand with our lack of terrorism. There's no one to hide bombs in trash cans, so we can keep them around.
  • The streets are clean: They are swept and there are no drifts of garbage everywhere. Nowhere will you find open sewers, packs of feral dogs, filthy begging children/gypsies, etc.
  • Traffic is orderly and we have traffic lights. Again, simple stuff, but it makes a difference. There are countries where there's no such thing as drunk driving, mufflers, seat belts, windshields, or tires with any tread left on them.
  • No closed circuit cameras on our streets (again, waiting for this to be invalidated).
  • We have building codes and civic planning. Other countries can say the same, but still, codes are a good thing. No hillsides covered in sheet metal shacks here. Our slums are called "trailer parks" and the sheet metal shacks are kept in orderly rows.

Sure I'm comparing us with the third world, but winning is easiest (and frankly, best) when you pick a weak opponent. USA! USA! USA!

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2011-07-25 23:57 ID:Heaven

>>12 no filthy begging children/gypsies

I laughed harder than I probably should have at that.

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-02-10 22:06 ID:HD+3Zodo

>>11, your covert anti-american agit-prop has been uncovered. Prepare for a lengthy stay at Gitmo, or any of the government sponsored secret resorts spread around the world.

15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-09-06 21:33 ID:j3U666zQ

>>6 He no doubt lives in some pathetic loser country.

Lots of different climates. It's pretty easy to find somewhere in America that fits your definition of beautiful weather, no matter what that may be.

Also, we can still mock our politicians, except for Obama, who we couldn't make fun of because he's black and that would be raaaaacist.

16 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-10-09 14:15 ID:Heaven

>>1
-Labor Unions
-Insurance

these two are only good if you play the capitalist game

-Regulations on Corporations (I know they aren't perfect, but things could be SOOOOO much worse, it's not even funny)

>but things could be SOOOOO much worse

the words of a slave

-Right to vote
-Right to own firearms
-Right to protest

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17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-09-08 03:49 ID:MN+vhl7h

The MIT is awesome.

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-12 14:33 ID:M1EHkzAX

>>8

>We don't have terrorism.

So why the hell do you need NSA for?

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-02-27 17:05 ID:nqcsRWq6

( ̄へ ̄) Hello. I am "Mr. Likes To Age Threads". I do believe this is a thread in need of Age, so I would like to age it. That is why my name is "Mr. Likes To Age Threads".

20 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-02-28 18:17 ID:1Q3T6FZm

> No violent protests. Say what you will about the lack of people being upset about the many terrible things going on here, but we are a just very polite people when it comes to politics. I haven't seen any angry mobs getting doused with water cannons here in a long time.

this aged poorly

21 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-03-05 20:49 ID:ImNz72yI

America SUCKS!!

xD

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Which state do you hate the most? (26)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2010-08-03 13:27 ID:mwrAU/tC

I hate Texas. I say give it back to Mexico.

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2011-08-26 02:59 ID:3lZeIolk

New Jersey, because of Chris Christi and what >>10 said. Buffer states can be fun sometimes, though.

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2011-09-06 16:39 ID:I7P8lL/x

>>14

>a rats ass
>rats in amerika
>Amerika: nation of rats

I understand, sensei

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2013-05-28 15:16 ID:WsfgWQVX

Personally I hate Mississippi the most. As a Texan I can understand where most would get their hate from. I live in a hick town and for a month or so I couldn't go a day without hearing some redneck go on about how it's a good idea for Red states to secede. Austin is a nice city by Texas's standards, it's kind of like the San Francisco of the state, filled with liberals and alternative culture eateries.

20 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-03-18 17:11 ID:eANvTro3

Rhode Island.
No one cares about Rhode Island. It could disappear tomorrow and no one would notice.

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22 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-01-04 17:09 ID:O9Ekb415

Texas is an easy answer but Alabama is probably worse.

23 Name: Anonymous : 2021-01-14 11:52 ID:y58XnTfF

I fucking hate California!

24 Name: Anonymous : 2021-01-14 11:53 ID:y58XnTfF

I fucking hate California!

25 Name: Anonymous : 2021-01-14 17:27 ID:y58XnTfF

California

26 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-01-31 00:00 ID:z3DHw8a/

California is a badass Mr. Bungle album though.

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Why Japanese do not be able to speak English? (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-07-17 07:02 ID:m1qgAkjO

Japanese are trying to speak English (;_;)
http://hayabusa.open2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1405572139/

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-07-20 09:29 ID:19qEkmcL

Oh, very easy. Because they want to use Japanese language for their emotion, simply reason.

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-07-22 15:59 ID:B8P/Z9R5

It is quite OK, I've seen much worse examples of Engrish.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-03 20:10 ID:bdGqkclK

Because their mother tongue is Japanese. The same reason why foreigners cant speak Japanese.

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7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-01-04 14:42 ID:IDeVlSx3

Learning to make certain sounds comes easiest at a certain stage of childhood. Japanese lacks a bunch of sounds used in English so most Japanese people don't learn them early, and learning them later means more difficulty getting them right.

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Sex with kids (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-12-30 07:58 ID:3VRicRne

Do you think kids can consent yes or no? also explain why.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-12-30 08:03 ID:v2jSLqxW

🙄

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-12-30 09:00 ID:3VRicRne

>>2
Fuck off spammer.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-12-30 14:35 ID:Heaven

>>3
Stop giving him attention!

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-12-31 18:35 ID:Heaven

>>3
Fuck off pedo.

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2021-01-01 02:45 ID:3VRicRne

>>5

But its good for you kiddie cunny is so yummy and tight.

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Are pedophilia and child pornography wrong? (21)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-05-12 00:28 ID:EoMyNKuq

I think that pedophiles get far too much of a hard time. Like other paraphilias and sexual orientations, many pedophiles cannot help how they feel. The press has a tendency to use "pedophile" and "child molester" synonymously, when they aren't always one and the same. Pedophilia is a recognized mental disorder, but many pedophiles are missing out on proper support because of the stigma and paranoia surrounding pedophilia. Is being a pedophile wrong in itself?

What about child pornography? From what I gather, most child pornography isn't Uncle Bill raping his niece, but rather "child modelling" photographs from where/when it is/was perfectly legal. The children and their parents consented. For material that has already been produced, should mere possession be illegal? Will it encourage further production and increased child molestation, or will it give pedophiles an outlet for their desires? What about lolicon, which is increasingly being covered by the same laws in many countries?

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-09-07 12:03 ID:b2DG0wLP

Being a pedophile? No.
Molesting children? Yes.
Getting your rocks off at CP? No.

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-10-09 14:05 ID:Heaven

>wrong

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-10-08 04:17 ID:odIPlsin

Yes

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16 Name: Anonymous Hebe Fan : 2019-01-15 22:06 ID:AVg2Cg4A

>>12
Agreed but what about loli. I mean I know shota is absolutely haram but Stanley Kubrick. True Story?

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-02-08 14:35 ID:wPXiDWba

There's way too many people crying "pedophile" on the internet these days that it's starting to lose its meaning. While there are legitimate cases of actual child abuse, porn, and grooming being inflicted on real children through places like Twitter, Tumblr, and Discord, it becomes a joke when people use said cases to justify their argument on why loli and shota should be banned.

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-06-17 03:27 ID:lw6DklXe

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-16 14:51 ID:dB4XClka

>MCMICHAEL claimed this post was a joke

20 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-08-06 16:13 ID:Cg1K9ML5

>>17
This p. much, "pedophile" is to the right wing what "Nazi" is to the left wing, i.e. a lazy mud-sling for "people I disagree with who are therefore evil incarnate regardless of the (in)applicability of the term's actual meaning".

21 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-12-27 09:28 ID:ZcqLtDOX

>>12

Pretty much this.

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Smart (4)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 09:56 ID:1edKrmxU

Harvard Professor Howard Gardner’s brilliant conception of individual competence, known as Multiple Intelligences theory, has changed the face of learning and development. Professor Howard Gardner (Harvard University) has identified eight intelligences including musical–rhythmic, visual–spatial, verbal–linguistic, logical–mathematical, bodily kinaesthetic, interpersonal, intra-personal, and naturalistic.

In recent years, MIT can potentially include existential intelligence and pedagogical intelligence too. Tens of thousands of educators & researchers have explored the practical implications and applications of this powerful notion, that there is not one type of intelligence but several, ranging from musical intelligence to the intelligence involved in self-understanding!

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-10 20:14 ID:ULCpvX4k

2 get

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-11 05:09 ID:ULCpvX4k

btw is there a shitposting intelligence?

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[Technology] Linux or GNU/Linux? (17)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2012-06-02 09:04 ID:zi/Fxmkr

Is the operating system "Linux" or "GNU/Linux"? What do you call it, and why?

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2017-01-22 06:11 ID:uNmJEjhu

>>3
GNU is the userland, applications like text editors, compilers, the user interface and so on. It is truly not Unix, because although it follows Unix conventions, it does not re-use any Unix code. However, it is possible for a GNU system to INCLUDE actual Unix, in the form of the kernel. The most common version of GNU is GNU/Linux, that is the GNU userland combined with the Linux kernel. Linux is not part of GNU, but likewise is Unix-like without using any actual original Unix code. However, there is such a thing as GNU/kFreeBSD, that is the GNU userland combined with the kernel from FreeBSD, FreeBSD being actual real Unix, as it is a development branch of the original Unix operating system from the 1970s, rather than a reimplementation from scratch like Linux is. So technically, a GNU/kFreeBSD operating system does include some real Unix code, however it does not invalidate the GNU acronym, since GNU is the userland, not the entire operating system. It wouldn't be entirely accurate to label it as a Unix operating system either, as the numerous userland utilities that come with most distributions of Unix have been replaced with their GNU equivalents. It may therefore be regarded as a fusion of Unix and non-Unix (GNU).

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10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2019-09-30 07:57 ID:S1n/mPUw

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-06-17 22:29 ID:MCAs//JK

I lean to GNU/Linux lately because there are a lot of attempts these days to wipe the principles of the FSF out of the picture in favore of a mere "open source" view that's more palatable to corporate plunderers, the same sort who push for more "liberal" licences rather than GPL so that they can grab cheap source code and roll it into proprietary products. A Linux without the principles of GNU behind it and with increasing amounts of unfree software worming its way in is little more than a crappy third Windows/MacOS. Preserve Free Software's freedom.

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-08-18 08:39 ID:mvmT+lxV

Ganoo slash Linox

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-08-22 03:45 ID:Heaven

GLUninx

14 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-28 19:54 ID:xqBP3cYR

>> 10
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-28 19:54 ID:xqBP3cYR

>> 11
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

16 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-28 19:55 ID:xqBP3cYR

>>12
Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

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ASS>BOOBS (19)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-04-01 10:59 ID:ClztyOjg

PROVE ME WRONG

10 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-21 03:27 ID:8CDSeNPg

>>9
some ass and no boobs is better than some boobs but no ass. It just looks wrong

11 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-21 03:28 ID:8CDSeNPg

>>9
some ass and no boobs is better than some boobs but no ass. It just looks wrong

12 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-21 03:29 ID:8CDSeNPg

>>9
some ass and no boobs is better than some boobs but no ass. It just looks wrong

13 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-05-05 20:29 ID:Heaven

The quality has really gone down on this forum.
Look at the history of you don't believe me.

14 Name: 開店祝い フラワーギフト屋 : 2016-06-15 10:09 ID:Wat2bFsI

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15 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-07-22 14:07 ID:UM4cP6cj

Boobs are way better. I already have an ass.

16 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-10-27 06:34 ID:2RgoiG/o

Ass is way better. I already have boobs.

17 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-09 02:01 ID:1oq2e1+4

Butt sex is best sex

18 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-12 05:38 ID:jyuXmbFy

>>16

Are you a girl? OH wait there are no girls on the internet lol.

19 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-09-12 05:39 ID:jyuXmbFy

>>2

Still 6 years later this guy is absolutely right.

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Debate should be deleted (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-11-18 01:30 ID:tmu/DOZx

Debate is dead and therefore not used and therefore should be deleted.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-05 12:38 ID:7s79S2VP

That doesn't mean people won't want to use it at all and it's getting some activity now; it should stay.

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-02-25 08:09 ID:geLK7vn9

>>2
I agree.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-10-26 03:18 ID:OHWaxf4o

Penis.

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6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-06-21 21:31 ID:CouaOo7j

delete my anus

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Is goodness of art objective or subjective? (8)

1 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-05 12:30 ID:PTEEp0Tf

Do you think there are any cases in which certain pieces could be considered objectively better than others and why?
I especially want this person to answer.

2 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-07 22:35 ID:Heaven

3 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-08 07:40 ID:Heaven

>>2
disgusting.

4 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2015-12-27 13:51 ID:Heaven

>>3
What is and how?

5 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-04-17 23:44 ID:equKB5It

>>4
he means that he dislikes 8chan, and linking to it even more so

6 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2016-05-05 20:24 ID:Heaven

>>3
If >>5 is true, answer:
8chan overall is shit I agree, but what about that particular thread?

7 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-01-06 18:10 ID:Pp0pshAr

Bumping because I think it's an interesting topic

I've found that it is objective, but not in the way people think it is. The vast, vast majority of people will generally perceive art the same way. If a movie is dramatic and does a good job being dramatic than everyone will see it as such.

If we apply this to the theory that art is communicate, than it should follow that good art is art that the public agrees on the artist with.

In other words, the value of a work is subjective, but the clarity of it is objective.

If someone tells a bad joke, the joke isn't bad because it is a joke or even because it was a joke about something you don't like, it's bad because he paced it wrong.

8 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2020-03-17 08:36 ID:DGB9BdwA

Supposing that goodness in this context means: value, worth, importance.

The way I see it, the concept of goodness is purely a product of human mind.
Since "goodness" is not measurable objectively, it is subjective.

The answer could vary a lot depending on your definition of "goodness", of course. If it is effort taken to create something, you could probably measure that. Or, perhaps, like the other anon said, clarity. Human reaction is measurable, too.
The thing is, however, your definition of "goodness" and the criteria used is still based on subjectivity somewhere down the line. The question is, where exactly? It's based on your values, of course.

OP is asking: "Do you think there are any cases in which certain pieces could be considered objectively better than others and why?"

Taking >>7 anon as an example, he essentially says "if art should communicate, then art should have clarity". If you accept this, then indeed it is a case where one piece of art could be considered better than another one. (not sure if it could be called objective)

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