I want to use this article to dispute about whale catch.
English only (for International use).
I agree whale catch because Whales eat a lot of fishes (4 times human) and we'll not be able to have rations from sea. Also, we'll not be able to have rations from land with surplus population.
Please comment here.
Risa Kanaya
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Saving&Eating whale can be Coexisting.
If we leave whales, the whales will be exterminated.
Saving whale way what green peace say is exterminating whales way.
They think the whale to be a weed.
Save whale by scientific way!
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Korean eats dogs.
Japanese eats whales.
Why whale is special ?
Answer simple and clear !
Call mistress ! (--;) / (++;)
Japanese understand some restrictions require to keep the number of whales.
However, we disagree that don't eat whales at all.
I wanna ask you again.
Why whale is special ?
(@^_^@)
white people eats beef.
People in India never eat beef.
Why white people are especially?
What do you do if Indian say,"Don't kill cows!"?
There are plenty of cattle to go around, though. Not so many whales.
We have vast, vast cattle farms. Does Japan have vast whale farms?
I think not! The Texan defense rests.
The whale is dericious,
The person who doesn't eat the whale is foolish.
The Korean eats the dog, the Chinese eats the monkey,
But this is culture, and this is not bad.
Heh, this is an odd thread
Who knew the Japanese would be so interested in being cultural relativists.
>>1
"Whales eat a lot of fishes (4 times human)"
Newsflash, kid: Whales are way bigger than humans. Whales eat NOTHING but seafood.
If the seafood for humans is too little, we can just eat other stuff, worst case scenario being that we can import more food from other countries. If the whales have too little seafood, they die.
What makes whales special?
Whales are intelligent creatures that have existed for far longer than humans. With science, we can learn a lot of interesting and useful facts about the creatures of the world. The amount of whales are decreasing, and if we actually hunt whales properly, they will become extinct. Although I seriously doubt anything ever will happen along the line of that star trek movie where the aliens came and wanted to have a chat with their old buddies the whales that were all dead, and almost killing earth in the process, it still would be a big loss for this planet. The eco system would be notibly affected, for the worse.
There are so few whales in comparison to humans, that we cannot afford to hunt them. People need to stop thinking in too short terms, just to satisfy their palate for exotic foodstuffs.
"Professor Daniel Pauly and Director of the Fisheries Centre at the University of British Columbia weighed into the debate in July 2004 when he presented a paper to the 2004 meeting of the IWC in Sorrento. Pauly's primary research is investigating the reasons for the decline in fish stocks in the Atlantic, under the auspices of the Sea Around Us Project. However this report was commissioned by the Humane Society International, one of anti-whaling lobbies. The report says that although cetaceans and pinnipeds are estimated to eat 600m tonnes of food per year, compared with just 150m tonnes eaten by humans (*), the_type_much_of_the_food_that_cetaceans_eat (in particular deep sea squid and krill) is_not_eaten_by_human. Moreover, the reports says, the locations where whales and humans catch fish _only_overlap_to_a_small_degree."
Yes, it was commissioned by anti-whaling people, still.
number of whales living near japan has increased.
so what's the problem about eating them??
of course we japanese can have limits on catching.
that's what you couldn't when you whites
caught whales just to get their fat for fuels.
or is it a piece of american joke to tell others not to kill
what you've killed almost all?? lol
I have heard that whales are tasty and nutritious. But they are too big to fit in my wok. IT IS A MYSTERY
>>10
It's not fact.
Your topic is old time.
Recently whales are a lot.
Now,too many whales are breaking food contamination over the world.
Don't you know?
Japan catch whales only near japan Island.
And Japan is doing a planning catch for impediment extermination.
Plan for balance is important,I think.
>>11
In World Cup in Korea (and Japan), restaurants of a dog dish were hide because many white people were coming to Korea.
Dog dish eating is the one of culture for Korean,but….
Farms,cultivate, are not point of this problem.
You shouldn't interfer another cultures.
>>22
if the culture interferes with matters that are relevant for many other countries and cultures, then you need to interfere.
Dogs are raised by humans, cats are raised and cultivated by humans. the species of wildcats and wild dogs are far fewer than the amount of manbreed races of either species. You can't compare those with whales. Dogs and cats are like cattle, in that aspect.
>>22
There are valid reasons when you can interfer with culture. If whales were hunted to extinction, that would effect everyone. Thus it is valid to have restrictions. Whale populations certainly have recovered over the years. The ecosystem is not going to be damaged unduely by having too many whales. If they cannot find food, they will starve. If there are too few whales, the problem is not easily resolved.
>>23
and, any objection to >>21-22??
>>24
Your logic is simply dualistic.
Can't you think of other choices but to eat whales to extincion
or to restirct all the whale catching??
and on top of which,
>The ecosystem is not going to be damaged unduely by having too many whales.
>If they cannot find food, they will starve.
The former statement has no reason,
and the latter is not like situation whales living
near Japan is facing.
>>21
Whales are NOT caught just outside japan.
http://www.panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/press_releases.cfm?uNewsID=1874
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/Nov%2098/110698d.htm
The two above links, amongst many other, say Japan is now fishing at the Southern Ocean. Sorry, I mean "researching" in excess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean
The southern ocean is the water surrounding Antarctica.
There are many kinds of whales being hunted. Some are seriously endangered, some are less so. Most of you people forget that far too often.
Critically Endangered
- Gray Whale
Northwest Pacific population)
Endangered
- Blue Whale
intermedia subspecies
- Fin Whale
- North Pacific Right Whale
- North Atlantic Right Whale
- Sei WhaleVulnerable
- Beluga
- Blue Whale
musculus subspecies - Atlantic population
- Humpback Whale
- Sperm WhaleLower Risk (Conservation Dependent)
- Antarctic Minke Whale
- Arnoux's Beaked Whale
- Baird's Beaked Whale
- Blue Whale
musculus subspecies - Pacific population
- Bowhead Whale
- Gray Whale
Northeast Pacific population
- Northern Bottlenose Whale
- Southern Bottlenose Whale
- Short-finned Pilot Whale
- Southern Right WhaleLower Risk (Near Threatened)
- Minke WhaleLower Risk (Least Concern)
- Dwarf Sperm Whale
- Pygmy Right Whale
- Long-finned Pilot Whale
- Pygmy Sperm Whale
- Melon-headed Whalesee also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Whale_status_graph.PNG
list source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling#Conservation_status
there are about 1,000,000 of minke whales.
Japan catches about 1,000 of minke whales.
and only ten whales of other kinds are caught near antactica.
is that so dangerous??
what's more, the right for scientific research is
guaranteed by ICRW, Institute of Cetacean Research,
Article 8: 1. The reseach makes our grasp of whales
even more accurate.
Think again. How do you save the whales without knowing about them?
>>29
How is shoving an exploding harpoon each into 1000 whales going to help you with research? Seriously. You do not need that many corpses to go "Oh ah, they have neural nets like this" and so on. At the point of understandment we stand now at those creatures, you need live research of their behaviour in the wild, even if disturbed by humans, not more autopsies.
It's one thing to go "look, this many killed whales do not make a significant change, according to this and those real scientifical researches, so we can kill these", but to try to use scientific researches as an excuse is just plain rotten.
By the way.. about the amount of minke whales:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cetacea_range_map_Minke_Whale.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cetacea_range_map_Antarctic_Minke_Whale.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cetacea_range_map_Dwarf_Minke_Whale.PNG
"The total population of Minke Whales is estimated to be in the order of 184,000 (95% confidence interval, IWC Scientific Committee 2004) ) in the Central and North East Atlantic. As of 2005, there are no agreed estimates for North Pacific or Southern Hemisphere. In the early 1990s the IWC Scientific Committee, after analysing the available data, agreed that minkes in the Southern Hemisphere numbered 760,000, which the Japanese whaling industry uses as the current (2005) estimate. In 2000, however, the Committee withdrew this advice in light of new survey data suggesting population estimates 50% lower than in the 1980s (Branch & Butterworth 2001). The IWC IDCR/SOWER population surveys (1978/79-2003/04) will give a revised estimate to the IWC scientific committee at the annual IWC meeting in 2006. Minke Whales are widely distributed throughout the world, commonly found from the poles to the tropics but prefer the open sea."
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_Whales )
fuck you all, we shouldn't be eating any fucking animals whatsoever. Idiot japanese.
>>32
That depends.. If you're gonna continue with "and then we need to stop make those poor animals eat eachother and make them live in peace", then I'll have to ask you to either go kill yourself or get a reality check.
If you're gonna continue with "because raising animals to eat takes up so much resources which could feed far more starving humans if we invested in a more diverse range of plants and such", okay, maybe. Once we've researched better plants and hardcore meat-eating countries like USA stop being so beef/pork obsessed. Far too many humans starve as it is, today.
However, the issue isn't Yes or No to meat, but Yes or No to Whaling of the extent that is practiced today + logical argument for why so.
>>33
I'd continue with #2 and not #1 of course :D
There are 1,000,000 the minke whales and 2,000 the blue whales.
The minke whale population has increased almost 4 times than before stopping commercial hunting. On the other hand, the reserch has not detected any sign that blue whale population increased. Since the living spaces and the food both of the minke and the blue whales are overlapping, the increase of the minke whale population deprive the blue whale's food and living space and lets the blue whales endanger.
The Japan insisted to restart commercial hunting of the minke whales in order to protect not only Japanese tradition but also other species under the oceans.
The other word, Although the Japan is annually catching 0.1% of total number of the minke whale, the US and the Canada is catching the Right Whales, whose number annually reaches 1-2 % of all whale.
>Since the living spaces and the food both of the minke and the blue whales are overlapping, the increase of the minke whale population deprive the blue whale's food and living space and lets the blue whales endanger.
Question: How did the blue whales survive for thousands (millions?) of years prior to humans very recently being able to impact the whale population? Did the evil minke whales eat humans back then or something?
>How did the blue whales survive for thousands (millions?) of years prior to humans very recently being able to impact the whale population?
Answer:
>Did the evil minke whales eat humans back then or something?
So you are saying... since human destroyed everything, human need to remove a billion of chinese, Indian and African population at first rather than the Japanese removes the minke whales in order to protect the blue whales, arn't it?
Whale taste good with mayo!
We human by nature eat both meat and veggie
(forgive me in advance for the ecological stuff)
but in the natural world usually there is a up and down curve that constantly balance out between prey and preditor
I believe we should be about to eat just about any animal so long as we keep it controlled and not over do it.
when prey level increase population of preditor increase, as preditor increase population of prey decrease to a point were they are harder to find thus preditor level decreases and the trend repeats itself
the problem with a lot of human/prey curve is that its just one way, as prey population decrease we don't decrease and as they get harder to find we seem to just find more way to eliminate them.
use the canadian passenger pigeon as an example in the 1800s they used to fill the whole sky to the point were it almost darkens it, a few decade later due to overhunting (shooting) they were extinct. Cod fish were overfished too well after fishing stopped it sorta recovered a lil not too much though because of bycatch laws.
anyhow the point is I think we can probably hunt whale so long as we understand more about them to make sure we don't make any more species go extinct
Whales have a long lifespan and gestation period also a long time before they reach maturity this makes it a bit dangerous to hunt because once K-stratigist species fall below a certain number in population it is very hard for them to recover.
>>1
about your comment about whales eating more fish than us. actually worldwide number of fish comsumed annually by human far exceeds the amount of fish consumed by all species of whales combined (unless you were talking about a local area and a specific species of whale if so then I apologize)
plus they were eating fish long before the humans even began seafaring and fishing, so who is taking who's food?
but ya about eating whales which for me applies to all others animal we human consume
its find as long as we don't go overboard trying to wipe out a species for now I guess regulated hunting of minke whales should probably be fine however as we don't have all the facts I believe the long term on going study should be continued.
They should have whale breed farms at sea
...I want to be sure I understand, people are still eating whale meat? I know the Inuit have always done so, but they have never been a numerous people and it would surprise me if they had any significant effect on whale populations.
I thought that the minke whales the Japanese whaling fleet brings in were rendered for their fat, which they use to make soap and shampoo and cosmetics. The meat itself, I thought, they used to make pet food for export. People are eating it?
Any recipes for whale tempura? The whale is too big to fit in my wok! o.O;
>People are eating it?
are eating, or ate
I think Japanese started to eat vast amount of whale meal just after WW2 when many people starved, although eating whale is their culture all the time as fishermen. Hunting whale was a good solution at the time, because one whale solved many mouths.I suspect GHQ(=US) might've recommended it....
I myself don't think whale is tasty, tuna and sardine is better.
salmon is the best!!
Americans:
used to hunt enomous amounts of whales just for their fat as fuel. Every other parts is WASTED. They never thought of extinction.
Japanese:
hunt whales but not too much, using every part of whales: no wastes.
Today, Americans blame Japanese for eating whales.
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http://www.kujiraya.co.jp/dish/alacart.html
I don't support this at all.
I'll eat anything!
I don't have a problem with anyone eating whales...
It reminds me of this strange and funny video I found though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oab01fIGrTw
