Let's Eat Whales (100)

1 Name: Risa Kanaya 2006-02-20 12:20 ID:Heaven

I want to use this article to dispute about whale catch.
English only (for International use).

I agree whale catch because Whales eat a lot of fishes (4 times human) and we'll not be able to have rations from sea. Also, we'll not be able to have rations from land with surplus population.

Please comment here.

Risa Kanaya

23 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-22 19:48 ID:D2E8F8U5

>>22
if the culture interferes with matters that are relevant for many other countries and cultures, then you need to interfere.
Dogs are raised by humans, cats are raised and cultivated by humans. the species of wildcats and wild dogs are far fewer than the amount of manbreed races of either species. You can't compare those with whales. Dogs and cats are like cattle, in that aspect.

24 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-22 19:59 ID:xPAXXtPY

>>22
There are valid reasons when you can interfer with culture. If whales were hunted to extinction, that would effect everyone. Thus it is valid to have restrictions. Whale populations certainly have recovered over the years. The ecosystem is not going to be damaged unduely by having too many whales. If they cannot find food, they will starve. If there are too few whales, the problem is not easily resolved.

25 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-23 04:12 ID:oe//STh0

>>23
and, any objection to >>21-22??

>>24
Your logic is simply dualistic.
Can't you think of other choices but to eat whales to extincion
or to restirct all the whale catching??
and on top of which,

>The ecosystem is not going to be damaged unduely by having too many whales.
>If they cannot find food, they will starve.

The former statement has no reason,
and the latter is not like situation whales living
near Japan is facing.

26 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-23 04:20 ID:oe//STh0

correction:

wrong
>>21-22

right
>>20-21

27 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-23 11:14 ID:D2E8F8U5

>>21
Whales are NOT caught just outside japan.

http://www.panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/press_releases.cfm?uNewsID=1874
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/Nov%2098/110698d.htm

The two above links, amongst many other, say Japan is now fishing at the Southern Ocean. Sorry, I mean "researching" in excess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean
The southern ocean is the water surrounding Antarctica.

28 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-23 11:29 ID:D2E8F8U5

There are many kinds of whales being hunted. Some are seriously endangered, some are less so. Most of you people forget that far too often.

Critically Endangered
- Gray Whale
Northwest Pacific population)

Endangered

- Blue Whale
intermedia subspecies
- Fin Whale
- North Pacific Right Whale
- North Atlantic Right Whale
- Sei Whale

Vulnerable

- Beluga
- Blue Whale
musculus subspecies - Atlantic population
- Humpback Whale
- Sperm Whale

Lower Risk (Conservation Dependent)

- Antarctic Minke Whale
- Arnoux's Beaked Whale
- Baird's Beaked Whale
- Blue Whale
musculus subspecies - Pacific population
- Bowhead Whale
- Gray Whale
Northeast Pacific population
- Northern Bottlenose Whale
- Southern Bottlenose Whale
- Short-finned Pilot Whale
- Southern Right Whale

Lower Risk (Near Threatened)

- Minke Whale

Lower Risk (Least Concern)

- Dwarf Sperm Whale
- Pygmy Right Whale
- Long-finned Pilot Whale
- Pygmy Sperm Whale
- Melon-headed Whale

see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Whale_status_graph.PNG

list source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling#Conservation_status

29 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-23 12:30 ID:+mnF5SxR

there are about 1,000,000 of minke whales.

Japan catches about 1,000 of minke whales.
and only ten whales of other kinds are caught near antactica.

is that so dangerous??

what's more, the right for scientific research is
guaranteed by ICRW, Institute of Cetacean Research,
Article 8: 1. The reseach makes our grasp of whales
even more accurate.

Think again. How do you save the whales without knowing about them?

30 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-23 12:31 ID:+mnF5SxR

31 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-24 01:03 ID:D2E8F8U5

>>29
How is shoving an exploding harpoon each into 1000 whales going to help you with research? Seriously. You do not need that many corpses to go "Oh ah, they have neural nets like this" and so on. At the point of understandment we stand now at those creatures, you need live research of their behaviour in the wild, even if disturbed by humans, not more autopsies.

It's one thing to go "look, this many killed whales do not make a significant change, according to this and those real scientifical researches, so we can kill these", but to try to use scientific researches as an excuse is just plain rotten.

By the way.. about the amount of minke whales:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cetacea_range_map_Minke_Whale.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cetacea_range_map_Antarctic_Minke_Whale.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cetacea_range_map_Dwarf_Minke_Whale.PNG

"The total population of Minke Whales is estimated to be in the order of 184,000 (95% confidence interval, IWC Scientific Committee 2004) ) in the Central and North East Atlantic. As of 2005, there are no agreed estimates for North Pacific or Southern Hemisphere. In the early 1990s the IWC Scientific Committee, after analysing the available data, agreed that minkes in the Southern Hemisphere numbered 760,000, which the Japanese whaling industry uses as the current (2005) estimate. In 2000, however, the Committee withdrew this advice in light of new survey data suggesting population estimates 50% lower than in the 1980s (Branch & Butterworth 2001). The IWC IDCR/SOWER population surveys (1978/79-2003/04) will give a revised estimate to the IWC scientific committee at the annual IWC meeting in 2006. Minke Whales are widely distributed throughout the world, commonly found from the poles to the tropics but prefer the open sea."
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_Whales )

32 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-24 05:12 ID:Heaven

fuck you all, we shouldn't be eating any fucking animals whatsoever. Idiot japanese.

33 Name: Apprentice Chef 2006-02-24 13:43 ID:D2E8F8U5

>>32
That depends.. If you're gonna continue with "and then we need to stop make those poor animals eat eachother and make them live in peace", then I'll have to ask you to either go kill yourself or get a reality check.
If you're gonna continue with "because raising animals to eat takes up so much resources which could feed far more starving humans if we invested in a more diverse range of plants and such", okay, maybe. Once we've researched better plants and hardcore meat-eating countries like USA stop being so beef/pork obsessed. Far too many humans starve as it is, today.

However, the issue isn't Yes or No to meat, but Yes or No to Whaling of the extent that is practiced today + logical argument for why so.

34 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-02-28 19:37 ID:Heaven

>>33
I'd continue with #2 and not #1 of course :D

35 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-03-12 07:08 ID:KZShVEY6

There are 1,000,000 the minke whales and 2,000 the blue whales.
The minke whale population has increased almost 4 times than before stopping commercial hunting. On the other hand, the reserch has not detected any sign that blue whale population increased. Since the living spaces and the food both of the minke and the blue whales are overlapping, the increase of the minke whale population deprive the blue whale's food and living space and lets the blue whales endanger.
The Japan insisted to restart commercial hunting of the minke whales in order to protect not only Japanese tradition but also other species under the oceans.

The other word, Although the Japan is annually catching 0.1% of total number of the minke whale, the US and the Canada is catching the Right Whales, whose number annually reaches 1-2 % of all whale.

36 Name: Alexander!DxY0NCwFJg : 2006-03-13 05:04 ID:Heaven

>Since the living spaces and the food both of the minke and the blue whales are overlapping, the increase of the minke whale population deprive the blue whale's food and living space and lets the blue whales endanger.

Question: How did the blue whales survive for thousands (millions?) of years prior to humans very recently being able to impact the whale population? Did the evil minke whales eat humans back then or something?

37 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-03-13 21:16 ID:76xgHPze

>>36

>How did the blue whales survive for thousands (millions?) of years prior to humans very recently being able to impact the whale population?

Answer:

  1. They eat food, swim ocean, grow up, have a sex, have a birth then repeat many times.
  2. Once westerner whale hunaters (including Japanese) destroyed the natural blance of the whales population, now the whales thus are facing in the different situation from last millions years.
>Did the evil minke whales eat humans back then or something?

So you are saying... since human destroyed everything, human need to remove a billion of chinese, Indian and African population at first rather than the Japanese removes the minke whales in order to protect the blue whales, arn't it?

38 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-06-18 14:22 ID:WCdD0U4g

Whale taste good with mayo!

39 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-06-18 15:18 ID:X1po5Gia

We human by nature eat both meat and veggie
(forgive me in advance for the ecological stuff)

but in the natural world usually there is a up and down curve that constantly balance out between prey and preditor

I believe we should be about to eat just about any animal so long as we keep it controlled and not over do it.

when prey level increase population of preditor increase, as preditor increase population of prey decrease to a point were they are harder to find thus preditor level decreases and the trend repeats itself

40 Name: 39 : 2006-06-18 15:18 ID:X1po5Gia

the problem with a lot of human/prey curve is that its just one way, as prey population decrease we don't decrease and as they get harder to find we seem to just find more way to eliminate them.

use the canadian passenger pigeon as an example in the 1800s they used to fill the whole sky to the point were it almost darkens it, a few decade later due to overhunting (shooting) they were extinct. Cod fish were overfished too well after fishing stopped it sorta recovered a lil not too much though because of bycatch laws.

anyhow the point is I think we can probably hunt whale so long as we understand more about them to make sure we don't make any more species go extinct

Whales have a long lifespan and gestation period also a long time before they reach maturity this makes it a bit dangerous to hunt because once K-stratigist species fall below a certain number in population it is very hard for them to recover.

41 Name: 39 : 2006-06-18 15:21 ID:X1po5Gia

>>1
about your comment about whales eating more fish than us. actually worldwide number of fish comsumed annually by human far exceeds the amount of fish consumed by all species of whales combined (unless you were talking about a local area and a specific species of whale if so then I apologize)

plus they were eating fish long before the humans even began seafaring and fishing, so who is taking who's food?

but ya about eating whales which for me applies to all others animal we human consume

its find as long as we don't go overboard trying to wipe out a species for now I guess regulated hunting of minke whales should probably be fine however as we don't have all the facts I believe the long term on going study should be continued.

42 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-07-31 18:58 ID:hCAU7K8g

They should have whale breed farms at sea

43 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-08-06 16:30 ID:Pu/bs65t

...I want to be sure I understand, people are still eating whale meat? I know the Inuit have always done so, but they have never been a numerous people and it would surprise me if they had any significant effect on whale populations.

I thought that the minke whales the Japanese whaling fleet brings in were rendered for their fat, which they use to make soap and shampoo and cosmetics. The meat itself, I thought, they used to make pet food for export. People are eating it?

Any recipes for whale tempura? The whale is too big to fit in my wok! o.O;

44 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-08-13 15:17 ID:gzDSZmyN

>People are eating it?

are eating, or ate

I think Japanese started to eat vast amount of whale meal just after WW2 when many people starved, although eating whale is their culture all the time as fishermen. Hunting whale was a good solution at the time, because one whale solved many mouths.I suspect GHQ(=US) might've recommended it....

I myself don't think whale is tasty, tuna and sardine is better.

45 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-08-26 10:45 ID:fTOsCG79

salmon is the best!!

46 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-09-25 06:42 ID:dYcUG9xp

Americans:
used to hunt enomous amounts of whales just for their fat as fuel. Every other parts is WASTED. They never thought of extinction.

Japanese:
hunt whales but not too much, using every part of whales: no wastes.

Today, Americans blame Japanese for eating whales.

47 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-10-05 14:47 ID:V50dBxYT

48 Name: Esperlia : 2006-10-06 11:37 ID:/+v6lGw3

I don't support this at all.

49 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2006-12-16 01:30 ID:nZ41u0JI

I'll eat anything!

I don't have a problem with anyone eating whales...

It reminds me of this strange and funny video I found though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oab01fIGrTw

50 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-01-02 05:25 ID:mDs2iUfp

Food is food. First its the whales then it will be people screaming about others eating too much vegetables. If we werent meant to eat things they would not be edible. This whole conversation will be one continuous struggle so its just better to leave it alone.

51 Name: Oily Skin : 2007-01-03 08:00 ID:CFlWiqxV

.. Leave the whales alone.. let them eat fish.

the thing is, it's the humans who have destyoed everything so just shut up and eat stone.

52 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-01-03 09:27 ID:IVVjd/xj

tastes just like chicken

53 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-01-03 18:25 ID:Heaven

I guess if you're eating a species that isn't endagered it's as acceptable as eating any other fish.

54 Name: Person who hates dummies : 2007-02-10 22:42 ID:pGeWIF1F

whales don't eat fish they eat creel* or however you spell it dumbass bitch

55 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-02-12 02:45 ID:grLfZcYa

>>54
Only some whales.

56 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-02-13 10:44 ID:Heaven

A significant amount of the fish whales eat are the kind of fish we never would have harvested anyway.

>>46
I'm not american. My country never hunted whales. Countries have nothing to do with it.
Who did what in the past doesn't matter, except for ensuring that they aren't allowed to do any of it any more. That doesn't make it right for others to continue to hunt, regardless of if they use a tiny amount or a huge amount of the animal.
The problem is that there are several whale species that are endangered, yet they keep getting hunted because they're not "seriously" endangered.

>First its the whales then it will be people screaming about others eating too much vegetables.

Let's use this comparison:
There's an endangered plant species X, their roots work as nutritious food for humans. This plant requires delicate conditions to continue living, and can only be spread via newly formed lumps of the roots being planted. Do we let people finish eating up the few remaining roots, and kill the species, or do we let them spread and prosper, and then consume only a highly regulated amount every other or third year that varies accordingly to how well they've survived in that time?

The first way will get people that kind of food for that year, the other way will give less food per time unit than just eating it all up, but for centuries and millennia to come, unless we blast ourselves to bits. This unlike getting a large amount of food for a few years and then nevermore of it. I don't want Whale-species going the same way as Dodos.

57 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-02-14 02:59 ID:s2O2pqOs

Why can't humans catch and eat whales that aren't endangered? Humans have been doing it since a long long long time ago. Is it because there are a bunch of whale loving, sentimental big wigs on the board that governs the whale catching industry? Or has Greenpeace infiltrated the board and placed one of their activist? Conspiracies, conspiracies.

58 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-02-14 07:57 ID:Heaven

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/13/japan.whaling.valentine.reut/index.html
Ahahahahaa. Silly and stupid.

>>57
Most whales are endangered. Some species are "not endangered", but that by a horribly small margin. If you compare the amount of whales now to what existed in the past, you will see a huge difference in numbers.

59 Name: 57 : 2007-02-15 14:45 ID:9yJkVoLZ

>>58
What past do you mean? Like a 100 years or so? I know that whales like blue whales ARE endangered but why not hunt those other not endangered whales and keep the hunting strictly monitored like what they are doing in other fisheries?
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20070215p2a00m0na021000c.html
IF you ask me, I say that those anti-whaling countries are trying to stop those pro-whalers because of monetary gain. The US with its beef exports to Japan for example. If the Japanese have another source of food, they might eat less beef that are coming in from the US. Japan would depend less for imports on food items. And remember Japan's ban on US beef imports? The US threatened economic sanctions on Japan if they would not lift the ban.

60 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-02-15 21:35 ID:Heaven

>>59
There was a beef ban, was there not? No American beef allowed for a long while. I heard people still complained about the lack of American beef for their beef bowl. I do not believe whales have anything to do with beef. People who want beef will want good beef, not whale meat. People who want whale meat will want whale meat.

I am not concerned about countries, to be honest. I do not care where whale-hunters come from at all. I do not care how many people before them there was. I care about what they do. I do not feel strongly about whales being hunted. People hunt and eat a lot of other intelligent animals, why single out whales for intelligence? I do however feel strongly about any species being hunted with a too small margin. We have a lot of fish-species that are seriously endangering getting almost extinct, thanks to humans overfishing them. Based on all I've read, it seems as if most (though not all) whale species risk heading the same way. A too small margin is not practical, especially if some disease or other problem randomly strikes and takes out a smaller chunk of the population. With a small margin, that may seriously damage the populations and put our use in grave danger. With a larger margin, it might just be a minor problem for a few years only, because there was a larger amount as backup.

We must be careful with what we do to the ecological system. We may be good at surviving in a wide range of environments, but that is no excuse to make even more of our environments too harsh on us. We are not cockroaches, and will not survive every bad event that happens on this earth. We are exponentially becoming more and more people on this planet. This makes it even more vital for us to not destroy large amounts of useful resources.

62 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-04-14 09:35 ID:2O2ptAep

I kind of like my tuna and halibut and talipia
What they don't make up in size, they'll make up in numbers

63 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2007-04-14 17:41 ID:i2WKy/xg

whale as in fat wimminz?

64 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-05-25 12:57 ID:to27EGnM

whale is healthy.

65 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-06-06 05:29 ID:YKUFhYDM

>>64
Whales have excellent fitness programs.

66 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-10-26 11:25 ID:XLI2Csib

best food in the world!

67 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-10-30 08:42 ID:Heaven

thats right.

68 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-12-18 16:27 ID:GvziG340

Australian FM discusses whaling with Japan

Australia's Foreign Minister Stephen Smith has raised the federal government's opposition to Japanese whaling during a meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister in Tokyo.

Mr Smith again flagged the prospect of legal action against its ally over the issue.

After meeting the Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, Stephen Smith told the ABC he raised the issue of Japan's whaling in the southern ocean.

"I also made the point that the Japanese whaling fleet has sailed again," he said.

The Australian Foreign Affairs minister says he warned the Japanese Prime Minister of the possibility of a clash between anti-whaling activists and the Japanese fleet during the hunt.

Mr Smith says Australia wants to resolve the issue diplomatically, but is not ruling out taking legal action against Japan.

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/200812/2450691.htm

69 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-12-22 17:17 ID:VPCWfctY

i really want to try sometime.

70 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2008-12-22 22:19 ID:bodM/K7M

>>69

Sometime is okay, but whale is better.

71 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2009-02-03 16:30 ID:8VEzMZ7b

whale is the best :D

72 Name: corn shit : 2009-05-12 04:36 ID:raSwsF7z

so does anyone want to share a recipe for whales? do you cook it as you would for say, a blue marlin? how does it taste? come on and share a recipe you guyz

73 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2009-05-13 19:18 ID:t5NK/RBr

We eat the whales
With Forks we greet tham
If you free Willy let me warn you now,
we're gonna eat him.

74 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2009-05-15 13:53 ID:gViRHv79

OP is worst freaking troll ever.

75 Name: corn shit : 2009-05-15 15:43 ID:raSwsF7z

>>73 poor willy, he'll be free alright in the after life. so does orca.

76 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2010-01-06 17:29 ID:N5Rc5glH

Sea Shepherd Ship Collision - シーシェパード妨害船が日本調査船に衝突

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_KnBKriGog

78 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2010-01-24 16:55 ID:N5Rc5glH

"Eco-Terrorist" Sea Shepherd and Australian Media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7GDq4FLSI

79 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2012-05-21 12:27 ID:8vwYQYtC

We eat the whales. very good1

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81 Name: The Whales : 2012-07-16 18:11 ID:Pu/bs65t

;~;

82 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2014-09-16 03:52 ID:AXrL1Ck/

age

83 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2014-10-02 04:05 ID:wf/b0AEe

yum

84 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2015-10-12 07:19 ID:I/2kNred

very healthy

85 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2016-09-12 11:10 ID:L/TFwZ2i

( ,_ノ` )y━・~~~

86 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2016-10-16 03:30 ID:d2UBmoPw

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88 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2016-12-09 09:39 ID:tv4XKB9Y

89 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2017-08-29 20:31 ID:4HfUIuvg

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Takasago Journal‏ @TakasagoJournal · 11時間11時間前

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90 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2017-09-24 03:50 ID:WjoFVKYM

Does dork mean whale penis?

91 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2018-06-07 11:18 ID:gQTWxwJx

92 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-06-27 08:04 ID:tH6Oh1yC

let's eat frogs

93 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-07-10 14:23 ID:gmvb9wCX

let's eat bats

94 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-07-12 03:37 ID:tH6Oh1yC

kuso pig food

95 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-10-07 20:06 ID:Q6VMLa1e

don't eat whales, whales are smart as hell, it would be like eating a human

96 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-10-07 22:56 ID:VJ9lp1YS

Let's Eat Humans

97 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-10-10 15:52 ID:2JvQhe1A

>>96
as long as we don't eat whales, sure >:)

98 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-10-23 18:02 ID:Heaven

let's eat cum

99 Name: Anonymous Chef : 2020-11-03 01:23 ID:VJ9lp1YS

>>98 that's your mom's job

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