Avatar the last airbender: Anime or not? (187)

1 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-03 18:42 ID:mhrif6U9 This thread was merged from the former /anime/ board. You can view the archive here.

Hi there!
Is Avatar an Anime or not and do you like it either way?

36 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-25 22:47 ID:6Wq62QR0

Except that in the rest of the world, 'anime' has acquired a different meaning: it means they were produced in Japan, and build upon some aspects of the Japanese animation techniques and culture.

There are definitely quite a few shows produced in Japan that wouldn't qualify as anime if they had been produced somewhere else.

But as to whether a show produced outside of Japan could be considered as anime, until now absolutely every one of them are horrible attempts at copying some of their superficial characteristics, and they never, ever rise above the uncanny valley territory.

If a cartoon produced outside of Japan became popular with otaku from Japan, then you could probably call it anime.
(Spoiler: this will never happen)

Otherwise, it's just an attempt at cashing on a trend.

37 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-26 00:20 ID:xAj7kZkO

> There are definitely quite a few shows produced in Japan that wouldn't qualify as anime if they had been produced somewhere else.

And among those are pretty much all of Japan's most famous anime, like Doraemon or Crayon Shin-chan.

38 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-26 10:01 ID:Heaven

Or Gundam. Oh wait.

39 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-30 05:16 ID:36+B+Qui

>>35 speaks the truth

40 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 03:57 ID:SkRztgH4

>>39 Agreed.

41 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 09:36 ID:XxWV6amT

yeah, that is what I tried to tell you all along....

that anime is a word for animation. Not a genre..... if it was a genre (type of animation rather than just animation) then it would stand for a type of "anime" like horror or action, but still all anime falls under the same name.
Why don´t they split up naruto from helsing and samurai champloo from one piece? It is all called anime....like animation, which tranlates into the english word "cartoonshow" or just show you know, the category under which avatar falls under. Now I know that lookwise there are major diferrences. family guy and simpsons differ a lot and the differ from avatar which differs from spongebob that differs from sailor moon and so on but all these shows are animated shows = anime = show.

Thanx for reading and sorry for long post.

42 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 12:10 ID:MO3VKr3F

Well certainly if you're using the Japanese definition, then it is. But most English speakers won't, so it isn't. And I don't think the distinction is style-based, it's based on where it's made. Or more precisely, where the designers are. I know Korea draws a lot of anime. ;-)

43 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 13:04 ID:aWG96l5j

>I know Korea draws a lot of anime.

If it originates in Korea then it's animeh, not anime.

44 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 20:01 ID:w94wnfex

well i think "we" from the west call it anime because well, the drawing style was new to us, but now that avatar (and I hope other western shows) start to look like anime-style the line gets blurred.
Besides, Avatar is also animated in korea if you didn´t know....
Does it make it a regular show if an anime is dubbed, then the language isn´t japanese plus it is made abroad, huh what about that? Is it anime just because some japanese dude came up with the idea? (no offense to japanese dudes) If it is , let´s say a person from spain living in japan who makes up a show and it is animated in korea, is it still anime? Or would you call it a show?

45 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 01:20 ID:aWG96l5j

>Is it anime just because some japanese dude came up with the idea?

Yes.

>If it is , let´s say a person from spain living in japan who makes up a show and it is animated in korea, is it still anime?

No.

46 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 12:54 ID:Heaven

>>43
You misunderstood what I meant. What I meant was that Korea draws a lot of anime which is designed in Japan. Which is to say they draw a lot of in-between frames.

47 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 17:04 ID:w94wnfex

>>45 but you never know if al the anime-creators are native japanese people, what if someone is adopted into japan and comes up with a plot is it anime then? It´s not like he chose his family or country, right?

48 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 17:39 ID:aWG96l5j

>>46 If the creator is Japanese then it's Japanimation, aka anime. If the creator is Korean then it's Korean animation, which I believe is called animeh/(animhwe?) in Korea.

>>47 If the creator is Spanish then he's not Japanese. If he was raised in Spain it's likely he's familiar with Spanish archetypes and ignorant of the Eastern archetypes, and even more ignorant of the Japanese archetypes. The reverse is true: I heard of Korean animators being unable to animate simple concepts very familiar to Western continents and skipping drawing those scenes, or being very sloppy with them and that the scenes had to be redone.

49 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 20:19 ID:w94wnfex

>>48 I meant that a person born and raised in japan but with parents from another country who gets into making anime in japan, is it still called anime? I mean he isn´t japanese just raised like one....

50 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 20:39 ID:aWG96l5j

>>49 I dunno, give me a concrete example. Who was born and raised in Japan from foreign parents and who made an anime, and which anime was that?

Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

51 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 22:25 ID:w94wnfex

>>50 i am just sayin theoreticly

Isn´t it a little childish to state that only animation made by a japanese person is anime?
I can agree on anime coming from japan but if you are raised as a japanese person even though your parents are from another country and you make an animated show won´t it be called anime with the only reason being that you happen to have foreign parents?

52 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-04 10:08 ID:MO3VKr3F

This is why I have given up making the distinction and now call it "Japanese anime" to remove the argument. Comes in handy when thinking in Japanese too, since if you say "anime" over there that can apply perfectly well to anything animated anywhere.

53 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-04 17:10 ID:w94wnfex

>>52 thank you! See japanese people use the word anime for "anything animated anywhere" that is why I think we should either do the same (call all animated shows anime) or use our own words like animation, cartoonshow, show or whatev to name any kind of animated show. That means that we can still call japanese animated shows for anime AND shows like avatar for anime as well.....

54 Name: Valiant Ed : 2008-01-04 22:05 ID:6FmN7Enf

That is a good point.

55 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-04 23:21 ID:w94wnfex

Think of it this way: If a lets say swedish cook made a greek salad it would still be called a greek sallad because it would have the ingredients that are needed for making a greek sallad. It wouldn´t just be called a greek sallad only when a greek makes it (even though it it is originated from Greece). In the same way: A show that tries to look like anime should be called an anime even though it isn´t made by a japanese or from japan. Maybe we cannot call any show an anime because to us from the west anime isn´t just a show but a type of show, the type of show that looks like anime: Big eyes, big hair, small nose and so on and so forth.
But still: Avatar I think (And this is just my opinion) could be called an anime (even though it isn´t)

56 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-05 03:37 ID:aWG96l5j

How much panties shots, sex, blood, deaths, and other adult themes are there in Avatar?

57 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-05 06:59 ID:Heaven

You might as well ask the same question of Doraemon.

58 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-05 19:06 ID:w94wnfex

And sailor moon or what about pokémon?

59 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 05:44 ID:aWG96l5j

Sailor Moon got censored to death before it was allowed to air in the US. Several Pokemon episodes got dropped/censored too. Dunno about Doraemon.

60 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 15:13 ID:Heaven

>>56
You are just baiting people to provide a long list of japanese cartoons without all that.

61 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 20:07 ID:w94wnfex

>>60 you are kind of right, he/she is and well maybe that person is only watching "adult" anime and forgot about all the other shows that aren´t only about deaths and such.

62 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 20:21 ID:aWG96l5j

Americanime

A North American cartoon that attempts to mimic or copy japanese anime style, due to the increasing popularity of anime in North America. The characters are drawn similarly to usual anime, but the eyes are simpler. The characters' personality also attempt to mimic the exaggerated way anime characters act, and come off just looking dumb.

Person A: I love Totally Spies and Martin Mystery! The drawing style is so cool!
Person B: God, I hate that dumb americanime. It's just North Americans trying to rip-off regular good ol' anime.
Person A: ...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Americanime

63 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-07 17:30 ID:w94wnfex

Totally Spies? Was that thought of to look like anime?
I know boondocks and avatar look like anime but never heard of Martin Mystery....

Nice find by the way! I didn´t know that there actually was a word for anime made in america (or by americans)- maybe because I´m not living there....

What about shows like batman, superman, spiderman, x-men (all somsething-man) and turtles - are they called something special in japan? (like in the same way we call their style anime and american anime for americanime)

I was just wondering.

Oh, and just because a show looks like anime (like americanime) doesn´t make it good, nor if it is anime. (not all anime or shows are good just because they are counted as anime or show)

64 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-07 20:53 ID:aWG96l5j

>Totally Spies? Was that thought of to look like anime?

Well, it borrows a bunch of the visual Japanese conventions, like the sweat drop.

>What about shows like batman etc.?

I know these is a term for comics (コミック I think, in katakana), so maybe カートゥーン for cartoons. But the line is very blurry in Japanese, one should put "American" before "cartoons" to narrow the search. I heard that they are hard to find in Japan, but that they are some specialized shops where you can find them.

65 Name: bobby hill : 2008-01-08 02:25 ID:pjdGppm/

I had a little lulgassem, bare with me,kill your self, its not anime, you have butt hurt, Doremon was the shit, to be a anime IT DOES HAVE TO ITHER
A.) come from japan
B.)carry not just a animation style, but similar elements all around the bored

so that explain why you should kill yourself?

66 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-08 15:47 ID:w94wnfex

>>65 What? Sorry I don´t understand what you mean (not trying to be rude)

67 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-08 15:56 ID:w94wnfex

Sorry for double post but I guess that the main conclusion of this thread (in my opinion) is that:
In Japan: Anything animated is called anime
In the west: All animation "from" Japan is called anime and the rest is called cartoon/show, except for shows that try to look like anime that apparently are called americanime.

So at least those are the definitions as of today.

They may be changed in the future but that would/will be an "issue" for the future then.

As the thread creator I must say that I am happy to have cleared this up. Thank you all for contributing into reaching this answer.

(Don´t let this post be the end of this thread, if you have something to say then say it)

68 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-08 16:30 ID:Heaven

>>65
learn to english plz

69 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 11:20 ID:po3E1YAO

Americanime... I predict it won't catch on because it's such an unwieldy word.

70 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 14:15 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

well it seems to be more or less the "official" word but that doesn´t stop people from refering to anime-inspired shows as just cartoons. But I guess it is just a faster way of explaining that a show is trying to look like anime and is made in america.

71 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 14:18 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

>>64 Hi! I was just wondering how you do to quote just a line like you did there.

I am kind of new here so I have no clue...

72 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 17:19 ID:UdXAjEd8

73 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 17:45 ID:aWG96l5j

>Hi! I was just wondering how you do to quote just a line like you did there.

Just add a ">" manually.

74 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-13 18:20 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

>Just add a ">" manually.

75 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-13 18:21 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

Oh ok thanx!

76 Name: Cam : 2008-01-14 02:55 ID:OoiYD68/

well, whatever, I called anime a cartoon, and some fag tard decides I am an idiot for calling his precious moving pictures which is a cartoon, a cartoon, I'd say if it ain't real people running around doing shit, its a cartoon, Japanese people call it anime cuz thats how they say cartoons over there, while we in Canada and the US call most of our own stuff cartoons, I'm going with it all as a cartoons, however cartoon could be the big header of the folder and anime and whatever can fall under as some sub header, but who really cares, all cartoons to me anyways.

77 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-14 12:02 ID:Heaven

I call the top-level folder Animation. Under that I have Anime, Cartoons, Ero Anime. This makes far more sense.

78 Name: Oh no, not again. : 2008-01-16 19:56 ID:JPuqb3/u

NOT an anime. This shouldn't even be a question.

79 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-16 23:26 ID:dOMuCRhl

>>78 apparently it is an americanime....how about that? (said jokingly)

80 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 05:42 ID:Heaven

OK guys, I'm gonna sum up this thread so we can never discuss this again:

Word 'Anime' in Japan = animated shows from anywhere
Word 'Anime' in the rest of the world = animated shows from Japan
Using the Japanese definition in the rest of the world = trolling
"Americanime" = Cashing in on a fad.
Avatar and other shitty shows = lol

Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna throw up. Thread over.

81 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 14:53 ID:dOMuCRhl

>>80 well that was a semi-nice way of ending this thread...

Except the part about throwing up, that´s not very nice you know, for you at least. (Hehe)

82 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 14:55 ID:dOMuCRhl

>>80 OH, I just wonder if it is ok to call anime a cartoon since that´s what it is you know?

83 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 19:29 ID:Heaven

>>82
Yes

84 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 23:07 ID:dOMuCRhl

ok then, good.
have a nice day!

85 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 23:09 ID:Heaven

Very no.

86 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-19 08:33 ID:9euxNDgV

>>22
Common in the Southern Romance languages and nearly all of the Slavic languages. Mostly because they were far more heavily influenced by Greek which originated the construction than, say, High German or Norse.

The "and" at the beginning of the second sentence in that post as well as the lack of an article before "future" give away that the post probably wasn't made by an English-learning Mexican, though.

87 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-19 16:34 ID:dOMuCRhl

Sounds good, I guess.

88 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-22 11:05 ID:Heaven

no

89 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-22 12:52 ID:4HrlHNBF

ok

90 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-22 12:57 ID:4HrlHNBF

ok

91 Name: Moot : 2008-01-23 03:26 ID:4pyrKsUi

mmmmmm, not anime, but really, who cares?

92 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-23 09:05 ID:KGABaPA8

"americanized" anime...'nough said

93 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-23 11:53 ID:Ag4S1GiM

it's a miserable little cartoon! how can there be any question?

94 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-23 23:24 ID:4HrlHNBF

Well some may wonder either way in general, not just about this one show.

95 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-24 06:14 ID:Heaven

Everyone, shut up. We're done with this thread.

96 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-24 14:03 ID:4HrlHNBF

that is what I thought too but maybe someone wants to know if it can go on some more

97 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-25 13:48 ID:Heaven

Stop your crappy attempt at trolling. No new argument has been introduced in this thread in the last 2 months. There is an overwhelming consensus that when used in the English language, the word 'anime' can only refer to animated shows from Japan.

People who don't like that fact said so, they were rebutted, then stupid trolls wanting to see some wapanese indignation just reformulated the exact same thing.

No show made outside of Japan (+ international outsourcing) has ever been called 'anime' by people who actually watch anime frequently, and who are therefore the people who shape the meaning of that word.
If you disagree, bring a new argument to this thread or suck it up.

98 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-25 23:39 ID:4HrlHNBF

Well I thought that that already was the conclusion of this thread. We don´t need to repeat ourselves all the time.
It was fun while it lasted but there is an end to this now.

Have a nice day.

99 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-11 04:04 ID:lAgX9pRp

NO its not.
Anime = japanese animation
Avatar = somewhere not in japan
Therefore, avatar is NOT an anime

100 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-11 11:54 ID:Heaven

101 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-11 15:24 ID:Heaven

>>99

Wow, nobody has yet expressed this opinion in this thread! We all thank you for your razor-sharp insight!

102 Name: Lurk More Anon : 2008-02-13 20:39 ID:6ct5kcy1

Airbender = Lame Bitchfucked 'Art' demoralized, deficated wanabe anime.

Airbender Sux Ass!

103 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-15 11:15 ID:Heaven

>>102
Do what it says on your username you idiot.

104 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-18 16:04 ID:t7OBS5Ke

Can people please stop writing in this thread now?

It ends here and now. No more.

Thanks!

105 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-18 20:20 ID:Heaven

ur doing it wrong

106 Name: H.K. : 2008-02-19 07:28 ID:LLZvm8cs

No, I would never consider it even close to anime.
My step-bro calls it Chiname. LMAO!! lol CHINA-ME lol.

107 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-19 22:48 ID:BdIV36cH

>>106 LMAO

It is better then most anime though, hell i like it more then naruto, at least avatar uses motion capture aaaaall the time and naruto is just crappy anime&quality

108 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 07:30 ID:LD5mOwYW

anime is a shortened word for the american word animation. therefor, all animation is anime. now, is it japanese anime? nope. is it anime? yes. all animation = anime. not all anime = japanese anime.

109 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 12:36 ID:Heaven

>>108

Did you bother readint the thread at all before replying?

110 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 13:33 ID:Heaven

PERMASAGE PLZ

111 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 13:49 ID:Heaven

>>109 Whether they did or not, I completely agree with them and am glad to see the number of votes increase.

112 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-22 08:55 ID:LD5mOwYW

>>109

fuck no i didnt bother to read the whole thread! i saw what post 1 said. I gave my answer. All animation is anime. Little Mermaid = anime. Mickey Mouse = anime. All animation is anime.

113 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-22 13:11 ID:Heaven

>>112
Then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Your unoriginal opinion has been expressed 50 times at least and we are sick of this thread.

114 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-25 22:49 ID:t7OBS5Ke

This was not a nice way of ending this thread so here is a better one:

Thank you all for reading this and trying to answer a (as it seems) pretty hard question (since times are changing).

But now this thread has come to an end since the only things that are said are repeating what has already been written. So please stop postinh here.

Consider this thread closed.

Thank you very much and have a nice day!

115 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 03:38 ID:Heaven

Use sage dammit.

116 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 10:46 ID:sgaqMVKY

this thread has nice pants

117 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 12:12 ID:+flaX1sq

>>114
that was not a better thread ending.
It's an easy question to answer: no. it is not. not all animation is anime. only animation from japan is anime. avatar is a crappy little cartoon, and nobody likes it.

118 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 15:58 ID:xlQOuyMb

>>117 I said it is hard because everyone has their own opinion and can keep it since all kinds of opinions have been said.

The thread end here and now.

119 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-27 23:52 ID:bwqYbX0w

it ends when i say it ends, biyatch!

120 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-28 18:57 ID:Heaven

It ended months ago you dumbshit

121 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-01 11:58 ID:7j6+KoCc

it continues!!!!!!! waah wahh wah
It was pintless to begin with, and it's even more pointless now.

122 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-02 12:20 ID:Heaven

And more pintless too!

123 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-04 05:05 ID:HbuSSn1O

NEED A COUPLE MORE PINTS FOR GAMGEE AND THE BOYS... WHAT'S THAT, BAGGINS? YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY DRINK ANYMORE?! NONSENSE!

124 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-04 08:51 ID:Heaven

This thread is now a continuation of http://4-ch.net/anime/kareha.pl/1200279461/ and is only to be used to discuss our love for Feito-chan. Please do not get off-topic.
So anyway, I love Feito-chan.

125 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-03 15:23 ID:z8Y6txm6

do not want avatar.

kthkzbai

126 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-03 20:55 ID:Heaven

>>125
Please do not get off-topic. This thread is about Feito-chan. You may also mention Nanoha or Arisa, but only if it is relevant to the discussion.
Anything else is threadjacking.

127 Name: chefmoogles : 2008-04-18 07:45 ID:k++7O7FJ

would we consider hentai anime then

128 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-18 09:37 ID:Heaven

>>127

would I consider you fat
yes

129 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-22 18:54 ID:QFO40L3z

fatter than fat could ever be

130 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-23 13:18 ID:Heaven

This thread is not about fatness, please, it is about Feito-chan, which for the record isn't.

131 Name: Red Elliot : 2008-04-24 05:58 ID:KKt6rrXt

It's an animation made in America. Cartoon.

132 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-24 11:15 ID:Heaven

>>131

Thank you for this totally original point of view which certainly hasn't been expressed already in this thread. A hundred times.

133 Name: LOVELYSTAR : 2008-04-24 12:54 ID:X/+X6DxT

Avitar the last Air bender is not an anime. It has the reminence of a cartoon, and so far as I know is not played in japan and never was/will be.

134 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-24 16:30 ID:jqyyl7th

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135 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-27 02:26 ID:d5hCkQtp

in terms of what Anime means then Avatar is Anime along with Looney Toons and Futurama.

in terms of if its Japanese Animation then its not, Avatar was animated in Korea and Produced and written and such in America.

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