Why is Korea and Korean loved all over the world today? (345, permasaged)

1 Name: Citizen 2005-12-24 16:29 ID:mydMM+kt This thread was merged from the former /politics/ board. You can view the archive here.

I think korea is the greatest country in the world.

Korea beated Japan in WW2,and got independence by their own hands.

Korea is contributing world in all.

I am American,but Iwant to be Korean!

201 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-02 17:25 ID:Heaven

>>200

Shh, he was hoping nobody would notice.

202 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-03 03:17 ID:93aNVKQE

CRAZY 「NEW YORK TIMES」(Onishi and YOSHIMI)Korean with Japanese name
CRAZY NEW YORK TIMES MAKES FUNNY TO ALL JAPANESE IN THE SITE.
About ONISHI http://asahi.kirisute-gomen.com/onishi.html
I do not understand about Korean like to use hatred Japanese Name at oversea.
Comfort women problem during WW2.
Korean does not have and find any evidence in data, document…etc for sex slave. Only three former comfort women testimonies…but two of them are liar. >>59 The other hand, it was very strange about no document, data, witness…etc anything for evidence. even if Korean say many victims ( I do not know how many…Korean always say different.)Korean government also said「All material evidence was vanished by Japanese Military after WW2 」but it is easy to know about impossible after WW2. Korean had to find a document for proof … over 60 years, Korean finally find a document for Japanese military.
>>55 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/world/asia/31yoshimi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
「募集等ニ当リテハ派遣軍ニ於テ統制シ」→Military control to wanted of comfort women.
「実施ニ当リテハ関係地方ノ憲兵及警察当局 トノ連繋ヲ密ニ」→Military and Police need constant communication to do.

                   It sounds is real sex salve system. 

OK   Let’s me read Japanese Original.
件名 「軍慰安所従業婦等募集ニ関スル件」(軍の慰安所従業婦等募集について)
副官より、中国北部方面軍、及び、中国中部派遣軍 参謀長宛の通牒案 日中戦争における慰安所設置の為、募集業者が慰安婦を募集する際、“日本軍の名義・権威を利用し、その結果 日本軍の威信を傷つけ、庶民の誤解を招く事例”や“従軍記者、慰問者などを通じて、不統制に募集し、社会問題 を惹起する事例”や“慰安婦を募集する業者が相応しくない場合、誘拐に類した方法を使い、警察の検挙・取調べを 受ける事例”など注意を要する事例が少なくない。 将来、慰安婦の募集に関しては、派遣軍がこれを統制し、慰安婦募集業者の選定を周到・適切に行い、慰安婦募集 に際しては、関係地方の憲兵、警察当局と協力すること。
日本軍の威信保持、また社会問題上、遺漏のないよう十分配慮することを依命、通牒する。
                                 1938年3月4日
???wha ha ha ha OINK~
This document show evidence about Japanese military has not done anything to sex slave. I do not understand New York Times, Do you help Japanese? How do you think about your miss fabrication story? … In New York Time non one can read Japanese?? Bad circumstance and bad prostitution brokers (we know all of prostitution broker were Korean).so Japanese Militarily had to give their place and check comfort woman by interview.(I know Japan also check their health)
Hey! New York Times! There are many evidence data and documents, that’s Korean Military have done sex slave against North Korean women. Then we know New York Times have been controlled by Chinese and Korean by bribe.
Hey Korean! You still attack to CNN? We know all Korean have stalker power to bankrupt or control company.

203 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-03 03:38 ID:93aNVKQE

I want to ask Korean.
How is a latest Korean fabrication story about 「FIRST AIR PLANE was made by Korean」(Professor and Media level Issue)
I know, Korean give up to material proof, and shift to novel story evidence.
In Brain Evidence?? All Korean believe and support it, right?
OINK

204 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-03 03:47 ID:93aNVKQE

Korean Car
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         ノヽ`∀´>
   ∧_∧ ('''-o 》》o    ∧_∧
   <ヽ´Д`> < /フ||:|」   <ヽ`∀´> 
~ (つエニニニニニニニニOエ  )エ
   , ヽ Y    ||      , ヽ Y
   し'(_)   ◎      し'(_)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fhZhx39tiU&mode=related&search=

205 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-09 08:06 ID:mo3A6PTg

>>204

Dude, Japan invented the rickshaw, those things were all over Tokyo. I do think the rickshaw is cooler than this korean unicycle though.

206 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-10 02:57 ID:Heaven

I'm not wapanese enough to hate Koreans

207 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-12 22:45 ID:mNQyniqP

>>205

The chinese invented the rickshaw.
Now they attach bycycles to them.

kthxbye

208 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-13 04:27 ID:07lfBM8B

Japan did invent bukkake, and that is alright by me.

209 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-17 22:10 ID:MeRV+xYf

lol, u tk him 2da bar|?

210 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-18 12:03 ID:rPwUAmvS

211 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-18 20:26 ID:nNOtCLQa

212 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-18 20:43 ID:nNOtCLQa

Koreans pathological mentality is driving people in Taiwan, Japan, and China to their wits' end...

(1) Koreans were once insisting that Ichiro was a Korean. But, their tone suddenly changed when Ichiro said at the WBC preliminary matches in Asia, "We want to outgame opponents to the degree of leaving the impression that Japan is unbeatable coming 30 years." (Ichiro said like that, but intentionally or inadvertently his remark was misleadingly translated in Korea.) Many hyper-reactive anti-Japanese Koreans literally hyper-reacted at his remark. They appears to have felt that they got mocked, and they are still with the feeling of being abused.. In fact, Ichiro didn't mean any insult to anybody. He just wanted to express his enthusiasm for WBC to inspire the team as the team leader. But, since then, many pathological Koreans have harbor deep-seated hatred against Ichiro too persistently.. Interestingly, they suddenly stopped rewording Ichiro was a Korean. Instead, their endless quest to diminish Ichiro began. They cannot stop. Koreans pathological persistence has been sickening Japanese people in every way. This is just one of those examples.

(2) Koreans insist that every shining Asian individual should be a Korean. That's their diseased fancy or pathological idiosyncrasy. In Taiwan, Taiwan people are really dismayed to know that Korean people are now insisting that Chien-Ming Wang (NYY) is a Korean. That made the big TV news in Taiwan, and Japan. Of course, Wang is not a Korean.

(3) In China, the same kind of trouble is happening right now. Koreans are now insisting that Confucius was actually a Korean, and trying to apply for their own ceremony dedicated to Confucius with the UNESCO World Heritage!! Not only this, but they are also insisting that it was the ancient Koreans that invented the Chinese writing system. They are also trying to apply for this surprising allegation with the UNESCO World Heritage in a serious manner. Chinese people are really pissed.

(4) Other hard-to-believe Koreans assertion.. you may laugh.. but they are serious believe it or not...

  • David Beckham is a Korean. British people are descended from Koreans.
  • Carl Lewis is a Korean.
  • Korea is the root of the ancient Mesopotamian, Indus, Egyptian, and Chinese civilizations.

It's only a matter of time that Koreans starts asserting that Jesus Christ was a Korean. This is not a joke. SERIOUS!!

Personally, I suspect that their pathological mentality of this sort is the reflection of their inferiority complex.

213 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-18 20:57 ID:nNOtCLQa

anti-American sentiment of south korea

Look!

http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/world_wars_isode2_03.htm

215 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-20 05:33 ID:Svd9hYRc

I am the innards of my kimchi.
Chinese cabbage is my body, and red pepper is my blood.
I have created over a thousand pickles.
Unknown to Poor.
Nor known to Rich.
Have withstood pain to create many fermenteds.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, unlimited kimchi works.

216 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-20 16:02 ID:FQ4odKo0

Hideyoshi is good!!

217 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-21 09:13 ID:e75W3IwE

218 Name: one : 2007-04-21 14:02 ID:gbpboZ6y

South Korea was given the independence by the USA , not thier own power .
In fact , they have been given money and Apology by Japan already , but their govement didn't announced people .
It made some silly problems after that .

219 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-21 16:11 ID:nNOtCLQa

220 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-25 16:09 ID:86pkHAWy

韓国の新聞を日本語に訳してあります。
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/pandiani/e/d20b95bbd4caba3163fb1e4406fe552b

221 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-25 16:15 ID:86pkHAWy

これは韓国の新聞の
元ネタになった記事です。
この記事を読んで
アメリカ人のみなさんは
犯人が悪いのであって
韓国人社会が悪いんじゃない!と
かばえますか?
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/international/2007/04/22/0607000000AKR20070422000900009.HTML

222 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-28 23:41 ID:RG5Yb5CX

Neither the apology nor amends that tens of thousands of Vietnamese people are
in miserable eyes in the Vietnam war in the slaughter and the rape by the South
Korean are done.
The disgrace ..United States.. is received ..that.. instead and Korean people
that it will be made doing enormous compensation is an inborn horrific killer.

223 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-28 23:42 ID:RG5Yb5CX

70 percent of the South Korean is a mental job.

224 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-28 23:43 ID:RG5Yb5CX

35 percent of the South Korean is credit card-caused bankruptcy.

225 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-28 23:43 ID:RG5Yb5CX

As for 25 percent of the South Korean, the character cannot be read.

226 Name: Citizen : 2007-04-28 23:46 ID:RG5Yb5CX

The South Korean young person did some comments and the gestures in a regional high school in Bridgetown, a toy gun was brandished in the school and the residential area in Bridgetown, and arrested Annapolis RCMP (Canadian royal Mounted Police) announced on Friday.

227 Name: Lemon : 2007-04-30 00:51 ID:OexC9WjV

I do not believe that a people who enshrines and worships "CONVICTED WAR CRIMINALS" should have a right to speak.

228 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-01 02:34 ID:PgRyGCSM

229 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-01 09:29 ID:WY1eOra6

230 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-02 18:33 ID:XmWr4bLm

ttp://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/02/asia/AS-GEN-SKorea-Japan-Collaborators.php
SKorea to seize assets of collaborators in Japanese colonial era for first time
The Associated Press Published: May 2, 2007

AP:韓国は併合時代の親日派の財産没収を始めて実施

SEOUL, South Korea: The South Korean government announced Wednesday its first-ever
plan to seize assets gained by alleged Korean collaborators during Japanese
colonial rule as part of efforts to reconcile with its past more than 60 years
after the end of the peninsula's occupation.
韓国政府は60年以上前の日本への併合時代の親日派韓国人の財産を始めて没収すると
水曜日に発表した。
(中略)
Committee head Kim Chang-kuk said in a statement that the seizures, the
first of more to come, are "historically meaningful as the first visible
success" of government efforts to punish alleged collaborators.
この問題を扱う大統領委員会のトップであるKim Chang-kukは、文書を発表して親日派
財産の没収は今後引き続き実施すると述べ、親日派を罰する政府の政策の最初の成功は
「歴史的な意味がある」とした。

231 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-02 18:36 ID:XmWr4bLm

Such efforts will enable South Korea "to recover our people's dignity that was
violated by Japanese imperialism and those involved in pro-Japanese and anti
-nationalistic acts," Kim said.
それらの努力は韓国にとって「反民族的で親日的な日本帝国主義への協力者によって汚
された民族の尊厳を回復することを可能にする」
(中略)
In 2004, South Korea passed a law enabling investigations into alleged "anti
-national" activities of people who served above the rank of second lieutenant in
the military or who worked as police or military police during the Japanese
colonial era.
2004年に韓国政府は併合時代の警察官、憲兵、少尉以上の軍の階級にあったものなどを
対象とした「反民族的行為」の調査と追求を行なう法を成立させている。
(後略)

232 Name: Johnny boy : 2007-05-03 07:59 ID:Asjs+qwH

Too funny. Nobody cares.

233 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-03 15:32 ID:FyRYryoM

COMFORT WOMEN ISSUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VFiNPe4do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWB-sc1wGV4
Why they did not talk about all prostitution broker were Korean.
Evidence (Korean AD, Korean Broker name.)
http://www010.upp.so-net.ne.jp/japancia/index.htm
(There is no evidence to Japanese has go profit by comfort women)
Korean prostitution AD ( For UN military from Korea City Office)
http://bbs.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=thistory&page=2&nid=1839518

234 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-04 03:11 ID:LOvPNru8

235 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-15 02:27 ID:2s5fJP/Q

236 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-21 17:08 ID:hdSD82IO

237 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-22 22:44 ID:Heaven

No one cares. Not even you, be honest.

238 Name: Citizen : 2007-05-31 16:25 ID:iddXwaod

The massacre of the Virginia Tech is the reason. Mr. Cho is our national hero. YAY

239 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-01 04:57 ID:g2p213HG

Some Korean claims Korean people are Englishperson's distant ancestry.

The website "Ancient Art of Korea", along with other sources, claims Koreans are the ancestors of English people (and yet, ironically, the website misspelled the English word ancestor as ancester).

Quote "Uriginal"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriginal

240 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-06 01:13 ID:y6smL0pK

China>vietnam>korea>thailand>taiwan>Singapore>nipponland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<USA

241 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-07 03:42 ID:Heaven

>>238

Some dude moves to the US when he's eight-- I don't consider him a SOUTH KOREAN. He's some f'ed up dude in America; South Korea had nothing to do with that kid's damage.

242 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-08 08:20 ID:Heaven

>>239
Englishperson? What the fuck is that anyway?

Also sage because I don't give a shit about Korea. Not that I dislike it or stuff, I just don't care.

Those debates "who is superior to who" are annoying.

243 Name: Stranger : 2007-06-10 02:25 ID:iRkw2Wae

The Allied beat Japan in the WWII, not Korea. you idiot. You are American? "beated"? very nice English. Hah!

244 Name: Stranger : 2007-06-10 02:30 ID:iRkw2Wae

Name: Citizen : 2007-06-06 01:13 ID:y6smL0pK [Del]

China>vietnam>korea>thailand>taiwan>Singapore>nipponland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<USA

In Asia...
Japan> Singapore/HK > Korea> Taiwan>>>>>>>Vietnam

245 Name: none of your conern : 2007-06-14 00:57 ID:140/jKuQ

Please people, FIX UP YOUR DAMN FRAGMENTED SENTENCES.
I can not believe what I am reading. Although it is something to laugh about, IT IS ABUSING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Yeah, I'm asian, but at least I can write more coherently than you simpletons. You call yourselves English people? It's preposterous... How can an Asian person write more coherent English than English people? It doesn't make sense.

NO RACE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. OK? Get that through your head.
Korea has made some mistakes in their lives, ok? Now let me ask you something about the United States. Which race founded the KKK? The whites. We should all be fond of this statement. After all the chaos that the KKK has unfolded onto America, do Asian people start ranting about how white people are faggots? NO, THEY DON'T. In world history, Asians have screwed up less than any other race, and yet, when we make one insignificant mistake, the whole world starts derisions. Why? - Because you guys feel so inadequate of your flaws that you use Asians as scapegoats. Deny this fact and call it erroneous; I don't care because I know it's true.

Japan - During the mid 1500's Japan attacked Korea so they can access the resources available in China. THEY DID rape the korean women. I'm not sure if they apologized.

Korean women are slobs?

  • Dude, every race has slobs. Go judge yourself and your own race before you start criticizing others, moronic hypocrites.

246 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-14 16:07 ID:YfzyVzmy

Is there something obtained raping mean Korean people?Please do such a remark after neatly studying a historical fact. It was not a rape and it bought it. The salary was being paid to Korean people. Moreover, the salary is a Prime Minister level in a Japanese country at that time. Such good story. It is a fabrication operation of the forte when losing a war. When the history of Korea is studied, it is interesting. A different again country always helps when defeated counting on another country. In the slave country of indeed 2000, the done thing is different.

http://dansyaku.moe-nifty.com/

247 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 20:54 ID:Heaven

ITT Trolls and weeaboos

248 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-16 21:20 ID:Heaven

>>247 newcomer.

249 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-17 21:21 ID:DQYQNutH

GOOK SLOPE GOOK SLOPE
NIPONS GUNNA RIDE YOU

250 Name: Citizen : 2007-06-24 04:44 ID:IUlkK9F0

Barbaric acts of Japanese emperor which prohibited a Korean strange custom.
(During Japanese annexation)

1. [A trial stomach]
In Korea that "is only the tool that a woman bears a child" "a tool (a woman) must not be a defective article". Thus, I let a man saying with "a kind man" violate a daughter to prove that it "is this street, the body which can become pregnant" and let I am in condition to have become pregnant and put a sedan chair. Korea governor-general's office prohibited it so that a right of inheritance of a born child became a problem.

2. [a lick shit]
A folk remedy to judge that I have human feces, and physical condition of the person improves if the taste is bitter, and physical condition turns worse if sweet. It was forbidden after Japan-Korea merger to be in sanitary.

3. [Defecation on a street]

A figure of the common people playing the stool in the British traveler's diary that visited Korea of last years of Rhea Dynasty is recorded. The Korea governor-general's office gave an order to prohibit defecation on a street many times, but there was not the effect.

4. [A weak constitution dance]

Traditional arts laugh of the people whom I pretend to be a physically handicapped person and a sick person exaggeratedly and make a physically handicapped person and a sick person laughing stock, and watched it. It was prohibited from it being preferable for a Japanese sense with Japan-Korea merger promptly, but revived after independence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svade36WH7k

5. [Topless Chima Chokoli]

According to the reputation, it is the Chima Chokoli which let a chest crop out.  

Because wearing was forgiven only by the woman who delivered the eldest son who was an inheritor, it was a pride for a Korean woman before Japanese merger.
http://blog.joins.com/usr/f/a/fabiano/9/195104.jpg
http://3.csx.jp/peachy/data/korea/korea2.html picture before and after Annexation

251 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-07 20:39 ID:Heaven

>>1
because they are close to japan's superiority, cultural collectiveness and economy.

252 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-08 23:00 ID:lstfi32Q

I like Korea and I like Japan. When you consider the situation, the conflict is usually always political, not cultural. The Japanese like Korean cultural imports, and the Koreans have been embracing Japanese culture since the 90's and before. But, when the highly politicized nationalists start attacking the culture of the other nation for political reasons, that's when it gets really ugly.

I guess you just have to pick a side and be happy.

253 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-10 20:44 ID:AIvnW84Q

>>252 AND THEN STARCRAFT AND CHEAP BROADBAND CAME!

254 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-11 02:53 ID:3eX7ZZrI

>>253

hells yeah.

MSL Finals go down this week.

BISU!!!!!

255 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-11 09:55 ID:dvMQDnli

I am Korean but I like both Japan and Korea. There's nothing wrong with both of them so shut it. Besides... Have you ever visited their countries and learned more about them?? Have you?? Don't just blurt out the things that you THINK IT MIGHT BE TRUE. OF course there are flaws in those countries (I mean look at America) but that doesn't mean the are 100%.

Conclusion= We are all humans in one big planet called Earth.

256 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-12 08:01 ID:Heaven

>>255 tree hugger.
I guess they teach a bit more nationalism in Japanese schools. I mean, look at the above post.

257 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-13 09:22 ID:dvMQDnli

It's so true some japanese friend told me that they don't teach much shameful things for japan in their history book. She didn't knew much about Korea and japan war... I was like wow... I was shocked. Mmm but at least japan and korea are more friendly lately.

258 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-13 15:43 ID:lstfi32Q

>>256

I'm not so sure about that, have you seen some of those Korean textbooks?

Some of the more conservative Japanese ones may white-wash WWII, but at least they don't depict their whole of history in one gushing, unified, nationalistic tone. And at least they're not written by the government.

259 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-13 20:23 ID:ADBvLdnf

>>258

They are not? I really thought they were.

Still, I believe there is more nationalism and sense of unification in Japan then Korea. Korea is just a bubble economy of the great USA against North. Look, USA even gave fucking 50000 barrels of crude fuel oil to south so they can ship to north.

Where do you think all the adsl came from? SOuth Koreans themselves???

260 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-14 05:03 ID:xiR8V6S1

Well it's true that S.Korea is under more demographic pressures than Japan.

They have a much more diverse religious situation, it's one of the more pluralistic industrial societies when it comes to religion, with Buddhism, Atheism, Catholicism, and a kind of folk Shamanism all sharing space. There is the North to always worry about, and although I'm not as familiar with the political system in S.Korea, I know the multi-party system is still young (since the military governments ended in the '80s) and I think things are a little less predictable or stable than Japan's steady LDP dominance. Really, with a civil war as traumatic as the one fought against the North, I think Koreans NEED this kind of unifying nationalism to maintain cultural pride and political cohesiveness. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, they're birth rate is lower and their population is aging faster than Japan's, which is saying a lot. That's a pretty big demographic challenge for Korea's future, as well as Japan's.

261 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-14 08:53 ID:dvMQDnli

That is true I agree to 260s statement.
And about North Korean and South Korea, when I learned that they were seperated like that because USA and USSR taking half of each korea and implementing their politics in to them. I think that is the biggest mistake that the two countries made back then. They should have not split them and just have them as one country, because of that the North Korea is causing problems now (Even back then... Korean war A.K.A. 6 25). I know past is past but that was a really bad mistake in my opinion. I hope this problem will be solved though.

262 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-14 17:41 ID:lstfi32Q

>>261

Yes, but it's a situation like that that shows you that WWII is a war of battling empires. The USSR and the USA were more interested in getting their share of political influence in the Pacific than keeping Korea in one piece.

"Yippee! Let's all divvy-up the spoils we snagged from Japan!"

263 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-14 21:12 ID:2Cem4B+g

>>1
Maybe you have mistaken "kolea" for pepsi because of myopia and the inability to open your eyes properly. The koreans stole Pepsi's logo to use in their flag you know...

264 Name: sdf : 2007-07-20 06:02 ID:Jwv0hqlN

265 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-20 17:06 ID:pFqsJtGA

Today's Korean in Japan (ZAINICHI)
http://oriharu.net/jjinsin.htm
Korean makes Japanese girl to be sex slave.
But Japanese police dose not arrest them.
(You can know from 「Miss Luice Blackman 」)

        English girl was killed by ZAINICHI in Japan.

and All sex Broker was Korean around WW2.

266 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-23 00:51 ID:vMssaZd/

Association of Korea sightseeing PR
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=uZCFoBQRho4
You can see Chinese culture and Japanese CIty.(SHIBUYA in Tokyo)

267 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-23 09:59 ID:GY15MrH0

>>265 Today's news.(Korean makes Japanese girl to be sex slave.) http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/2007/07/23/k20070723000110.html NHK

268 Name: Claus : 2007-07-24 11:54 ID:DYorhTPm

I hear that the idea of Japan invading Korea is the commoest which has been taught all over the world.
I think I must start my augment from that point.

Near the end of the Goryeo Dynasty, general YiSeong-gye seized power in a coup, in 1392.
The country had been a tributary to China for 500 years, untill the Shimonoseki Peace treaty (1895), in it's article one states "China recognises definitibely the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and , in consequence, the payment of tributr and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the fouture."
As you can easily see from this, there was no sovereignty residing in Korea.

Secondly, 一進会 had been the biggest political party in Korea from 1904 to 1910. The party aimed strongly at modernaizing the country, realizing much more advanced technology that foreigneres had posessed. Furthermore, the party was disillusioned by a struggle for supremacy within the Imperial Courts. Having seen Japanese trimpth in Sono-Japanese war, 一進会 confidently supported Japan in Russo-Japanese war.
However, in 1909, a terrorist 安重根 assasinated Japanese prime minister Hirofumi Ito (伊藤博文) which made 一進会 to see that the Imperial Counrt no longer had a chance for reconstruction.

December 4th 1909, in the name of "一進会会長李容九および百万会員"(一進会and the 100 thousand members) 一進会 insisted on the affiliation.

Lastly in this writing, I add that, in June 16th 2005, the last hair of Imperial Court, Lee Eun died in Japan at the age of 76.
He got married with 梨本宮方子, who was a member of the Imperial family of Japan.

Untill I did serious researching, I believed that Japan did Korea wrong without giving it a single chance of doubting.
Please, I ask to all of you, do not believe what's commonly told without checking.
Doubting is one important step.
If any of you would like me to add more imformations that's recently have been uncovered, I'll be more than happy to.
As a one who has love and passion for History and Philosophy,
I must ask all of you for onece again, please you all are better than being controlled by some stupid goverment's tactics of using ficional history to unite it nations.

269 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-24 15:55 ID:Heaven

>Japan invading Korea

With Self Defense Forces? Lol.

270 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-24 21:09 ID:h+Itv935

>>268

I agree with most of what you say. However, you should consider that, though Korea was in a sorry position before Japan annexed it, it wasn't doing much better under Japanese colonialism either. It's people were exploited, second-class citizens. During the war, many Koreans were mistreated and drafted into camps. More importantly, Japan was trying to destroy Korean culture in its education programs and through its propaganda. You can't expect a nation to not resist this kind of treatment. This is why a large part of modern Korean nationalism is forged around anti-Japanese imperialism; a sense of resisting Japanese tyranny and supporting a distinct, strong Korean cultural force.

I'm not saying that Japan should not have annexed Korea, because that's an irreplacable part of both country's history that defined them in our present area, but you should recognize why many Korean nationalists harbor violently anti-Japanese feelings today.

271 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-27 07:19 ID:K9w0sAkv

This is usual Korean Brain. We do not surprise.
Calgary skyline ripped off [Is this our city, or a South Korean economic hub]
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=241472ca-74ee-468a-8239-2bc679b360a5&k=54634

272 Name: Citizen : 2007-07-27 14:21 ID:pyYemllE

south Korean christian missionary 1:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G07u0x82aQw

273 Name: Claus : 2007-08-02 14:01 ID:DYorhTPm

to 269.
Japan had an Army untill 1947, the constitution of Japan had become a foundation legal document this year.
It is in this document, Article 9, that self defense force first appeared in the world.
As you can see, you are confused Army for the self defense forse.

to 270.
Thank you very much for your opinion. I respect yours as you did mine. I will take your opinion and study from different angles once again.
Now I'd like to move to my opinion.

I suppose you are reffering to The Hangul.
Hangle was established in 15th Century. It was set in "Hunmin-jeongeum" (訓民正音)
In the first paragraph of this document, the king Sejong reveales his motivation for creating Hungle.
(You can even find this in wiki...)

"Bacause national language is different from that of China,it does not match. Therefore, when the ignorant want to communicate,many of the cannot achieve it's intentions. Because I am sadnned by this,I have newly made 28 letters."

Hangle was called 諺文, reffering it as letters of ignorants.
10th king of the Joseon Dynasty, Yeonsan-gun(1476-1506))issued orders forbidding Hangle.
11th king, Jungjong, closed the office of 諺文.
At the end of the Joseon Dynasty, extreamly low literacy rate had become a formidable issue.
In a case of women's literacy rate, it marked around 8%.
As you can see, Hangle once was rejected by it's very people.

However, a Japanese schlar,Yukichi Fukuzawa 福沢諭吉 began publishing newspapers which were written in a mixture of Kanji(漢字) and Hangle.
(This news paper was called 漢域週報(1886))
This reminded the importance of Hangle among people.
Immediately after the annexation,in 1911, the Governor-General in Korea established studying organization of Hangle and issued it as requierment to teach at schools.
(issued in "普通学校用諺文綴法")
Many textbooks useds in this era still remains, proving that it was the Governor-General(I trust that you know very well about this organization)that had extended Hangle.

It is often misunderstood, for the Governor-General, in 1938 ,had given the right of choosing what language to teach to each headmasters.
Before the annexation, there were around 100 schools in Korea.
After the annexation, the Governor-General increased it's number to 5000.
There were both Japanese and Korean headmaster taught in these schools.
The Ratio of Japanese headmasters to Korean headmasters were about 1/10.
Japanese headmasters remained teaching Hangle, considering the demands from parents, while many of Korean headmasters began teaching Japanese as sycophancy.

Moreover, untill 1939, The Govenor-General had arranged special fee for encounragement of teaching Hangle.
Even in Japan, for 30 years after the annexation, scholars encouraged Japanese students to lean Hangle.
(This is similar to teaching Spanish,French,Latin,in Amarican schools)

I could estend to after independence,
but I believe this notes will pretty much explain confusions.

to 270,
Please feel free to comment

274 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-02 14:36 ID:jAzwNZBE

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708020009.html
When God created the world, he found a trash heap that couldn't be used for anything useful, so he threw it down to the earth and turned into Afghanistan, a story goes. Afghanistan is such a desolate and forlorn land. Taliban, grant "salaam" to the innocent young people who arrived in the most barren land in the world to help it become a land of peace.

275 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-05 22:02 ID:HLUiVbAR

I would like Korea only if THEY DIDN'T PAINT THEMSELVES WHITE.

276 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-06 03:53 ID:5KcjuJkZ

this thread is weird

hangeul is pretty cool tho.

im under the impression that the japanese did a lot to improve infrastructure and industry in korea under their administration but also fucked over a lot of koreans in favor of their own interests. confirm/deny?

277 Name: Claus : 2007-08-06 14:08 ID:DYorhTPm

Thank you for your reply.
Often times, Japanese relationships during war times, with Korea and China, are thought the same or at least similar.

However it is the point that we must focus attention first.
You must be reffering to what is commonly called "the rape of nanking"

I do not, and cannot ever possibly say Japanese was innocent
However, it is also true that China and Korea, by this I mean the Governments are using fictional history as their political tactics.

Now, I am still searching for the best way to lay the facts.
For this, you see voluminous researchings are required.
Luckly, I found a very good comments on the matter in this site.
Please take a look at 13:"The fake of nanking"
(Personly I did not think this is the best title, but sure, it is catching)

Again,I thank you for the reply

278 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-06 15:58 ID:07lfBM8B

> Please take a look at 13:"The fake of nanking"

otherwise known as the 2-ch equivalent of JEWSDIDWTC

279 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-08 23:52 ID:mLzJDuW7

I'm a regular Japanese girl that moved to US 6 years ago...
Personally, I really hate looking at Japanese and Koreans fighting....and it's mostly only on internet. When I went to high school here in US, Atlanta, I had lot of Koreans friends...they were just fine. I didn't have any bad feelings, and they didn't show me any hatred towards me because I'm "Japanese". The only thing I couldn't stand about them was the kimuchi...it was real smelly, and I don't like hot food (^_^;) but everybody has different taste... I bet there is some Korean person not liking our food.

I agree with >>116. Us and Koreans share lot things in common. We shouldn't fight like this... Japanese government should just hurry up and make a real official apology or what ever. It is there fault to drug this WW2 problem this long. and although Japanese did bad thing in the past, Chinese and Koreans government shouldn't try to plant anti-Japanese seeds to kids and tell them to hate Japan and all the Japanese people though the TV, media, and education.... I saw lot of pics on internet of Koreans & Chinese burning Japanese flag....there face looks like devil. So much hatred... It's really scary. That's something I never saw in Japan.

It takes both sides to Chinese & Korean & Japan to be friends.... Does anyone agree?

280 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-09 03:52 ID:HLUiVbAR

>>279

How about Hmong people?

281 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-09 04:32 ID:iDtKIhON

>>279

Deal with it. While I agree that people should forge a mutual friendship, flag burning and hatred isn't exactly unique to this situation. Look at how many people burn US flags everyday; they probably have factories churning them out 24/7.

282 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-09 04:36 ID:iDtKIhON

>>280

They're either Chinese or south Asian. Many of the countries that Hmong people lived in were not affected that greatly by WWII.

283 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-09 07:14 ID:5KcjuJkZ

I'm kinda curious, do minor Asian countries like Laos and Cambodia feel left out due to lack of people hating them over the internet?

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286 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-09 16:41 ID:lRXS63d3

Nah, they have enough hate amongst each other. XD

287 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-10 04:00 ID:NwNRBFTb

>>279

I agree, it takes at least two people to fight and it also takes at least two people to make peace.

However, I don't know if many Japanese feel that it is right for them to "apologize" for the events of WWII. They've already issued apologies and reparations, and should the current generation/government be considered responsible for those huge events that helped shape the modern political world? Having Japan apologize again is like having it pay tribute again to a victorious party. It just drags us back into the mud of that war.

However, I do think Abe and his friends should apologize for their stupid comments about comfort women, Nanjing Massacre, and the Okinawan surrender issue. They should also retract any of their programs to revise history textbooks. That's just dumb. Every specialist knows about these things, the first thing to do is except they happened, and to try to understand why. How else can a society improve itself? I think if it wasn't for this mentality of denial amongst nationalists, nobody would have any problem with Yasukuni shrine or the core sentiments it attempts to convey. Some of its ideas seem very outdated though, it's like a little museum for ultra-nationalist, propaganda-prone mentality. Today's Japanese are too smart to fall for this sort of thing, I should hope.

On the other side of things, some liberals say stupid things, like that if the nationalists were to rearm the country, Japan would make war on China/Korea. That's just dumb, they don't seem to realize that the only reason Japan as a nation can afford to keep its beautiful, ideal pacifist constitution is because it lives under the USA's missile shield.

Japan in the 1930's wasn't, it had to fend for itself, and in that age of empires and national ideals, and centralized military governments that felt the health of their empires was more important than the human rights of its citizens, did what they felt they should, and playing the role of villains in the silly dramas we like to make out of history, they forged the modern, postwar era in the rubble of Nanjing and the furnaces of Auschwitz (not that I would compare the two genocides too closely).

If Korea/China/Japan can do this sort of thing together, coming clean about everything and working out all their crimes, creating transparent institutions to protect international justice, great progress can be made in foreign relations.

288 Name: Verg : 2007-08-10 04:55 ID:kYkINSeN

>>287
I second those thoughts.

289 Name: 279 : 2007-08-10 21:43 ID:mLzJDuW7

>>287

>>On the other side of things, some liberals say stupid things, like that if the nationalists were to rearm the country, Japan would make war on China/Korea. That's just dumb, they don't seem to realize that the only reason Japan as a nation can afford to keep its beautiful, ideal pacifist constitution is because it lives under the USA's missile shield.

hahaha...yeah I know. I grew up in Japan so I know this, but I never heard about people talking about invading China or Korea....

at history class in school what every teacher repeats is "war is bad, Japan did bad thing, lot of people suffered during the war, we should never do this again".....

I do admit, that teachers focused more on how Japanese people in Japan had to suffer during WWII because of no freedom of speech, brain-washing, and poorness, then what Japanese soldiers did to non-Japanese people like Koreans & Chinese. (It does still get mentioned though.) but my point is, They do teach that war, colonialism, Imperialism is a bad thing...

So when I hear some people say "In Japan they teach kids that Japan did good thing in WW2" I'm like...."What????" lol hell no.... that's not true at all. I don't know what text book or history class they are talking about.

About anti-Korea Japanese people recently....they are just losers.... even Japanese people think they are stupid.... it started on internet, and I don't know, I guessed they felt like they are worse something first time in there life....being Japanese?.... talking about how advanced culture Japan has compare to Korea. but it's not like they are the one that created, or helped Japan to have a "great culture". Most of them are people called "NEET" (Not in Education, Employment or Training) in Japan. So if there is any Korean person here that was bothered by those people, don't worry because they are just big time losers....

290 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-10 22:46 ID:iDtKIhON

>>287

I agree with most of this, but there are several things that I do not agree with. Even though Japan has apologized many times for many issues, many people do not see these apologies as acceptable because of the attitude of Japan's society and government.

In the same way that a person can apologize without actually meaning it, many people believe that Japan's apologies have been more or less hollow. Now, I believe that there is true remorse and regret in Japan, but at the same time, there is still an element of indifference, self-victimization, and denial.

A good apology isn't just words, but also actions, and I don't mean just monetary compensation. Using other nations' apologies for various historic grievances further highlight Japan's unsatisfactory apologies. In the US, for example, slavery and civil rights for black people were massive human rights violations in the past. The US government has apologized many times, and for the most part, Americans have accepted these things to be products of a time far more barbaric than ours. What makes the US's apologies different than Japan's is that the victims can accept it. They accepted it because America's society and government (for the most part) did not send ambiguous messages and clearly moved towards equality.

Looking at Japan, however, one can understand why some victims of Japan's atrocities have not accepted the country's apologies. Controversial events, such as Yasukuni Shrine visits and the textbook revisions, combined with offensive comments made by prominent politicians, have smeared the apologies that it had made. Imagine if politicians in the US visited the symbolic graves of KKK members and approved textbooks that whitewashed slavery; most of America would not stand for such insensitive and damaging behavior.

I believe that the current generation of Japanese people have no responsibility for the atrocities of World War II, but knowledge and compassion of their historic wrongs are essential to the mending process (and likewise for citizens of the victimized countries). I also believe that the path towards reconciliation can be started only by Japan, and this involves unambiguous apologies that reflect Japanese government and society that the victims of Japan's atrocities can accept.

291 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-11 01:48 ID:LNqZYjDp

Korea didn't beat Japan, but saved their nation by allies.

292 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-11 17:15 ID:dmmwA/mo

>>290

hmmm.

Still, I think if anyone is going to apologize it should be the nationalists who are making offense to China/Korea as individuals.

I don't know if it is right to ask Japan to apologize as a nation. I know I wouldn't want to. I hate this whole business of "you apologize!" "No you, Why should I??"

Neither state or government ideology, or representative who fought that war on either side are alive or in power today. So apologizing is like prostrating yourself for your national identity, and to concede that your nation is in the wrong. A secular, democratic state should not have the right to apologize for the people, since they represent the people. What is the meaning of these government "apologies" anyway?

It's like a form of tribute.

There's too much pride to apologize, even though the more I type, the more I realise that Japan's formal "apology" would probably help international affairs greatly.
It's painful business.

293 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-11 20:02 ID:iDtKIhON

>>292

I think that in a liberal democracy, the government represent the people, so an apology by the government is an apology on behalf of the people. Though Japan has progressed very far from its imperialistic and militaristic past, a meaningful apology is necessary. It's not the apology itself that is important, but the attitude of society that it reflects.

Post-war Japan didn't begin anew from its barbaric past, and the atrocities of WWII are still part of modern Japanese history. Though the Japanese are not responsible for the atrocities, they do have a responsibility to clearly state their position and denounce their brutal past. Nationalistic fervor and denial does not help settle the problem.

There are still abusers and victims alive from WWII, so the healing process is stopped if the victims do not accept half-hearted apologies. From a victim's point of view, if the perpetrator does not give a proper apology, what chance does the victim have of putting the past aside and moving towards the future? Apologies show the sorrow and regret of a nation's past.

This is not a uniquely Asian thing, and many nations have committed atrocities and sincerely apologized for them. Japan would be wise to follow the footsteps of Germany.

294 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-12 23:09 ID:4XxczzNj

I think in our current era, apologies should be issued by individuals to individuals.

This "national apology" stuff is embarrassing.

295 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-13 00:27 ID:5KcjuJkZ

>>294
no state acts without the will of the people

296 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-13 20:21 ID:iDtKIhON

>>294

You're forgetting the fact that Japan is a democracy (rule by the people), and that an apology from a nation's government is equivalent to an apology from most of the people in that country. It's highly impractical for individuals to apologize for an injustice committed by many in the past. Meaningful apologies for atrocities on the grand scale is the only way for reconciliation.

297 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 03:30 ID:07lfBM8B

> democracy (rule by the people)

ha

298 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 04:17 ID:kjZ0UjX8

>>296

So, by that logic, why should today's generation apologize at all?
These "apologies" aren't about people and their feelings, they're about political image and ego.

299 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 06:20 ID:Rw2bdW5T

>>297
And I suppose communism is any better?

300 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-15 02:42 ID:07lfBM8B

> communism

facepalm

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