I certainly am. I also despise democrats and their left wing lies.
Oh I'm sorry...is anti-Communism too real for you?
Is anti-communism crazy, or is it so sane that your head is spining!
....oh my god what a bunch of left wing assholes you guys are.
God go back to your starbucks and read your damn NY times paper and talk about Hilary clinton, who you love so much.
I'm crusading against communism and mexicans, so leave me be.
Hillary Clinton is a whore.
The NY Times is better off as toilet paper.
Starbucks tastes like poo.
Capitalism sill sucks.
DILEMMA
No YOU'RE a towel, a beaner towel
WTF you're nothing but a bunch of fucking left-wing liberals who are so far fucking left that the left liberal fucking left left fucking fuck liberal fuck.
The left wing lie I despise the most is when they say that the game is Battletoads when it is clearly Doom 3.
Communists believe that all materials belong to everyone in the society. It seems very logical, but I'd have to disagree on it. It all began with Karl Marx. =o
God you communists are commieying up my fuck-awesome thread!
gb2N.Korea assholes
I'm not Communist. More like anti-government altogether. It's still interesting to study the various types of governments though.
>>2 What the hell is your fanaticism with hatred towards Mexicans? Sure they are poor, will work for anything, and are coming in illegally, but you have to realize that they are human beings just as you and I. We are all brethren, disregarding "race" or color. Plus they are actually helping the economy, unlike the immense number of lazy Americans who do nata.
As for Democracy, yes, it is a VERY unstable government. I prefer a monarchy or dictatorship where there is stablility.
I am pro-communist. I am in favor of a worldwide communist dictatorship.
Communism is like heroin, at first it seem's really cool, but a year or so down the road, you start to realize how bad it is for you, and everybody else you know.
Actually, Communism is like sex; it might be painful, and awkward the first few times, but you'll get it right if you keep trying.
Communism is like an express train: It smells good, but you really have no idea where you'll end up.
ガツ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dunno, Marx saw the crap going on in the factories in Europe during the 1870 and 1890s. I can't blame him for wanting something that worked for the common man. Problem is people are greedy, even the common man. It's just hard to motivate someone when you tell them society benefits when you do more work and I guess you do too . . . in the long run. So will you please plow your fields? Of course you get paid the same s--- whether you do or don't but please? Will you for us?
Communism is sick.
There are no communists in Valhalla
There are so many communists in Hell.
you guys are retarded.. you make a b&w distinction between the left and the right. you live in a simple world and others suffer for your stupidity. think with your own head! don't be absolutely left or right O_O. you should see things as a whole.
b&w thinking is so american.. it's no surprise with shit going on in the world. where I live extreme christians aren't even funny cuz they are too openminded to argue with xD
Yeah...whatever communist.
>>45
So,What should I think about communizm?
Communizm was totally failed and sparkling jewel in the crown are just contamination human and radio sweeps floating on sea.
Regime with blood purge is good or bad?
Of course NON.
In my opinion
US Republicun party is good.
US Democratic party is no good.
Because,US Democratic party is too soft for chi-com and dictators of Middle East.
make no mistake,His policies are not perfect.
But regarding him as Hitler is too excessive.
Don't you think?
So,Why do you think Mr Bush is bad guy?
Tell me logical reason.
>>50
Making innocent people suffer in the Middle East and spending money on war on terror, while everything is not fine in the US either. There is a big gap between the rich and the poor. The problems in society are swept under the carpet. The rich elite are the only ones who benefit from this by making profit for large companies. Poor people in the US and Middle East are the victims.
He's doing the same thing as Hitler, but by different means and scale.
And so that some people are not mistaken.. No, I'm not saying people should own the companies (after all I'm not a communist!). I'm just saying they are too greedy for money and do not value human life.
Yeah yeah more Communist talk.
I'll take a Hitler before I'll take a Stalin or a Mao.
>>53
Stahlin, Mao, Hitler, Bush and extreme islam leaders... they do have 1 thing in common. Their followers are ignorant, fanatical idiots with no will of their own.
Why divide people in left and right when you can divide people into warm, human, friendly, openminded and cold, murderer, selfish, narrowminded.. (an example)
>Their followers are ignorant, fanatical idiots with no will of their own.
Actually, that statement pretty much covers anyone who holds any sort of political affiliation. Politicians are dogs and the people are sheep.
>>56
I think normally people don't just follow one politician blindly without asking why. People have to follow fanatical leaders because the society puts pressure on them.
Im anti democracy. For a start it dosent work - why should a majority of complete spastics have the right to decide my fate? Democacy is necessary but must be restricted via a constitution. Communism is a streak of piss. The majority of people in the world are stupid emotive bastards who dont know anything other than whats in their own little world.
Now,Communizm is dying or turning into aristocratism .
Cuba,that was tragedy.
I can't critisize cuban people who supports Castro.
They just hoped humanistic life and their children to have decent job.
The reason,communzsm cuba is simple.
USSR gave good life to people.
But as you know China,Cambodia,USSR,North Korea,
Communizm killed and lied and winded up.
If you wanted to know about communism,
Read "1984"
>>58
Would you prefer a minority of complete spastics, or a single complete spastic, had the right to decide your fate?
Why can't we just be fascist?
Workers! Drop your tools and learn to properly wield the bayonet! The coming struggle of class warfare requires that all members of the proletariat are prepared to die for the glorius cause of global socialism!
Most of you have no idea what communism is. The closest any nation has ever gotten to it is socialism. Even then they always get fucked over by a nation with more weapons. True communism, as stated up this thread is a utopian society. There is no government as we know it. There are no dictators. A communist dictatorship is an oxymoron. China and Russia have always been very far from communist. I despise political leaders who claim they are communist. Pick up a copy of The Communist Manifest, or read it online. It's worth a read , even if all you get out of it is a better understand of communism.
>>64
Communism doesn't doesn;'t work because it is a bad system, it doesn't work because it doesn't take into account the need for liberty. It just expects the military leaders who overthrow the government not to become despotic themselves, it ignores the self-evident and totally true philosophical precepts that make up democracy. Marx has a pathological hate of democracy because it wasn't perfect which persists today, he completely forgets that democracy never claims to be perfect and that no one is omnipotent and no one can ever create the perfect system. Democracy reduces the crime of tyranny considerably, but it doesn't reduce crime. The reason why the closest anyone has ever got to communism is democratic-socialism is because such nations were a democracy to begin with and had the stability to implement a few policies that are associated with communism, whilst leaving people to right to own property.
Long story short, communism is a policy, not a government system and the natural state of govenrment is tyranny and tyranny has little reason to implement communism as a policy, so come the russian revolution all you got was another tyranny.
>>64
You say communism doesn't work because it expects military leaders.... etc. Communism doesn't have military leaders. Like I said communism has never been seen in this world. Your arguement is against a form of socialism not communism.
>>66
Having a real communist nation would be a great thing. Sadly, I don't see how such a nation could ever be created or sustained. Humans are not made in a way that they will just accept that all other people should have exactly the same rights and property as them. When a communist system gets too big, it blows up and you get china or soviet russia. Once you need people who work exclusiveley to keep the System running, and people who control those people etc.., there will at some point be some people who abuse their power. Maybe, communism can work, but not on a large scale.
Communism can NOT work because it presupposes that I actually care.
Democracy is for the Weak. Communism must be killed on sight.
Hail Fascism. Hail the new dawn.
Communism is just for social insects. People are status seekers and will exploit any system to get an advantage for themselves.
In Capitalism -- you get screwed by the man
In Communism -- you get screwed by the government
In Socialism, it depends on who gets more power, but either way, you'll be dropping your economic pants for somebody.
In fact, as long as people are doing business with each other, someone will be dropping economic pants.
YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THE 4 STAGES OF COMMUNISM!
Communism implies that everyone is equal which is a contradiction with reality which everyone is not equal. The utopian society is just like the fountain of youth a pipe dream that drives humans mad.
Fascism hopes to destroy the preceived weak, corrupt, and undesired peoples within and outside its borders. It's fate is that it will be destroyed by those it hoped to destroy or enslave. If not now then in a thousand years. It will eventually be destroyed in the very game it initiated survival of the fittest.
Democracy's greatest strength is it's greatest weakness by giving all an equal voice regardless of class and educational level. If free loving people think with their heads the systems is difficult but it works. If people with a sence of entitlement become too corrupted and too many the system eventually collaspes on itself.
Anarchy which it has so many preceived ideals and definitions by those whom think it's a great idea for human society is a lack of a system that will destroy everything else until the Lord Humungus takes what is rightfully his by force.
>>72
so, democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried?
No not by far, democracy can become mob rule if it gets out of hand and be just as tyrannical as any form of government. A democracy with the proper rules and regulations on the government to form a Republic while allowing a free but competitive market and allow the people to decide their own futures despite social and economical backgrounds is a far better system than anything socialism, fascism, or anarchism could ever come up with in their doctrine. Government that is given permission by the people to carry out local, state, and national interests such as trade laws, road construction, and national defense is still accountable to the people should the government try to take power. Democracy can fail but when it's done right the people retain the right to own property, self defense, form the government, and freedom to travel. If you had read my statement all of the other systems Communism, Socialism, Fascism, and Anarchism are doomed to fail where a properly formed Democracy that fully protects human rights has the better chance to survive if the people take their responsibility to themselves and their country to heart it will last as long as the fire of freedom burns. But if there is no upkeep and the fire burns out then they are left to wander in darkness.
That's quite a lot of words you used there to say "I didn't get the joke, which is ancient and well-known".
the creater of this topic supports fascism, and hate the idea that people can disagree with him.
Quotes are fanciful but only a small part of a whole person and their ideals. Too often, quotes are abused by those trying gain the moral high ground with weak arguments. Plus it helps that a passage be attributed to the quoted person otherwise there is a risk a plagiarism resulting in a weaker position.
>>74
I wouldn't say that either fascism or socialism are "doomed to fail," partially because neither is very well-defined but also because there's no evidence of this. None of the socialist states of northern Europe are failing in any sense, and I can't think of a truly fascist country that wasn't defeated in open war.
when we read what the governments of USSR and allied nations did to their people during cold war, the notion we get is "Communism is the worst form of governance". But was that really communism, i doubt, just because some government puts on a Comm. tag we cannot call them communist.
What is Communism- It simply is Rule by community, an individual has nothing there is no government, no ruling body exists in communism and there is no dictator, USSR and allied nations violate this they are nothing but a distorted form of communism, distorted socialist nations nothing more and nothing less.
Communism is no evil it was a solution to world governance problems someday, as most of the premitive societies were communist in nature and there are still some societies that are truly communist. The notion of private property has been ingrained into our mind and certainly communism is not a current worlds economic solution. But we never know it might become someday.
and i am no anti communist and i hate fucking Soviets and Maoists
So if Democrats are Communists, what does that make Republicans? anarchists?
>>84
The wealthy men and religious leaders that Communists would imprison or murder should they violently seize power.
Fuck Communism.
Fuck Democracy.
Fuck Fascism.
Fuck anarchy.
Hail Capitalist TechnoImperialism.
I personally, wish people would give China an easier time. I think they're doing an exemplary job of reforming and developing their country into an open, wealthy, progressive, and technological leading nation, bit-by-bit, despite their potentially cumbersome single-party government. I think this last one too, has the potential to be reformed and developed into something more liberal and democratic, and it is, slowly, peacefully. I say give it time. I think China knows what's good for China, and for the rest of the world.
When you consider how dangerous and violent liberal democratic republics and constitutional monarchies-turned fascist have proven themselves to be or become, over the past century, it's stupid and hypocritical to be suspicious of China just because of its relatively stable and recently successful (oh how frustrating) single-party govt.
It's not like a Democracy is inherently safer or "better".
It all depends on circumstance.
My biggest worry about China is energy use! From what I read, they are an environmentalist's nightmare. And that while still being a "developing" country... It has the potential to get much, much worse.
I hope China can "develop" without reaching the insane per-capita energy use of, say, the United States. If they do grow that energy-hungry, our planet will be charred ashes.
BTW, I haven't done much research on this, so if anyone can authoritatively (citing sources) either agree or tell me to get lost, I'd love that. I'm just going on a bar graph I saw once.
Well, like it or not, as a planet, with our current technology, if we want to improve our standard of living for the billions of people who are still in the developing world, that means a massive increase in emissions. I don't think we can get around this, not yet, which is why placing fierce priorities on capping emissions now when we desperately need to increase them seems a bit quaint. To a certain extent, asking a country like China to curb its emissions is like asking sweating workers to stop breathing.
That said, the energy-use-per capita of the US is much bigger than it has to be. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smarter electric use, and maybe space heating and good insulation, and less wasteful industrial processes, (there's always room for improvement) And we've got something much more sustainable.
I'm ironically anti-communist.
Regarding this current discussion, if it's possible to sustainably bring China and South Asia and Africa into the first world, then let's. But if it isn't, fuck 'em. Why would we want to ruin everything? That's not compassion, it's idiocy.
Anti-communists rarely know the meaning of the word.
At the end of the day,
isn't that true of most anti-'s?
This thread is filled with siberiatic tenderness of comrade Stalin.
COMRADE! YOU KNOW ABOUT KGB?
NO COMRADE! I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT KGB
YOU LIE. TAKE COMRADE TO SIBERIA PRISON
Fuck Communism.
Fuck Democracy.
Fuck Fascism.
Fuck anarchy.
Hail Capitalist TechnoImperialism.
this is no a meme, I agree with it.
Communism created Zangief, dude. That's AWESOME.
>I certainly am. I also despise democrats and their left wing >lies.
They are not Communists, no Communist supports Dems. Just because there's a little economic intervention under Clinton does not make him a Communist, any more that Bush's infamous foreign adventures make him a Fascist.
>he completely forgets that democracy never claims to be >perfect and that no one is omnipotent and no one can ever >create the perfect system.
Communists are not utopian. I have seen no Communist that claims to solve every problem, but it's better than what the Capitalists have come up with; contrast China's development of Africa with the Western Liberal foreign aid, which tends to end up in the hands of warlords. One could even say that your "Democracy" is utopian itself.
>So,What should I think about communizm?
>Communizm was totally failed and sparkling jewel in the crown >are just contamination human and radio sweeps floating on sea.
>Regime with blood purge is good or bad?
>Of course NON.
Because everybody knows that all Capitalist revolutions were peaceful and democratic. 9_9
Lenin lived,
Lenin is alive,
Lenin shall live!
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A lone troll grows into bloom
>>1 is DQN
leftists hate freedom
vast commie conspiracy
logic is flawless
Well, yeah, the people who most stridently trumpet for Political Correctness do hate freedom.
i hate you pee see
let us say 'nigger' freely
and ban flag burning
men are good at heart
give them equal salary
why are we all poor
we are free to choose
we are the greatest
why is there no peace
we are free to choose
we are the greatest nation
why is there no peace
Argument between
commie and classical lib.
Just what makes a right?
I'm a communist. Hi.
>>109
Good question. According to the logic of nearly everyone in the center and on the right, and a good portion of the left right up until the end of the Great War and for a while thereafter agreed that international peace would be attained when the world powers were fewer in power, as there would be fewer conflicting national interests.
Hitler said he was fighting to create a world that could sustain peace, as a powerful mononational Germany with a primarily agricultural and locally fed manufacturing economy extending across Europe and without nautical ambitions would supposedly have no conflicting interests with the other nations; Italy's interests would be in its natural domain around the mediterranean, Britain's across the seas, and Scandinavia and France local. This makes sense, though it is unreasonably cruel to the populations he meant to let die out. Say what you will about him, but Hitler was skilled at reading political winds.
And yet as power consolidated in the hands of the West after the dissolution of the USSR conflicts seem to have <i>increased</i>
>>111
Be careful you don't say that in a position of power. Even today the US government and its little friends all fear revolutionary ideologies, and people who make it clear they do not agree tend to be neutralized if they hold any power, or if that fails have largely unreported accidents.
>>112
Well, I'm glad I live in Scotland then.
I don't think I would get involved in party politics if I was in the US because it just wouldn't be worth it, whereas here the party I'm a member of was in parliament until it split in two.
> Hitler said
I'll just leave this as is and let everyone see what's wrong on there own.
> international peace would be attained when the world powers were fewer in power
Well, it is pretty quiet now...
> And yet as power consolidated in the hands of the West after the dissolution of the USSR conflicts seem to have <i>increased</i>
...if we consider not number of conflicts, but intensity and casualties.
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GO TO HELL, CHINAZIS!
Free Tibet, & china Free!!
What's with all this "THE SKY IS FALLING" nonsense? There will be wars here and there, economic depressions and groups will convince themselves they are oppressed, but history has always slowly improved regardless. The most major events in history have been irrelevant on the larger scale of things. If Marx and Engels didn't invent communism someone else would have generated a similiar mysticism and people would use them to rouse peasants into rebellion, as has been done thousands of times throughout history beforehand under different banners.
What are the theorems of communism considerred intellectual anyway? Rich people own everything? Poor people have to work for them to earn enough money to eat? Excuse me whilst I jerg my rank nice and hard at how superior in intelligence I am for noticing this.