Racism in Japan (112)

1 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-13 14:55 ID:sVWGKoVl

so exactly how racist is Japan? how do different races such as koreans, chinese, flips, indians and blacks get treated?

i'm considering going to a university there and I wonder if I'll get pissed upon for being a dirty chinese.

2 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-13 15:10 ID:HpwrDTZO

I don't think anyone would really notice if you speak the language well.

3 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-13 17:40 ID:yMdqn+s7

I don't think anyone would piss on you either.

I don't know how much more racist Japan is than say... Norway.
Both are very civilized, well-managed, socially conscious democratic nations with a modest amount of immigrants.

Which is to say that there are the blatant racists on the fringe, and the majority of people don't really care. Sounds like most of the world to me.

4 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 03:35 ID:3IsIjurZ

>>2
wrong
>>3
way wrong/opinions/sure why not/kenya>norway

Japan has a mono-ethnic national identity; whether that's racist or not is up for debate.
China, on the other hand has a multi-ethnic national identity
This has a large part to do with geography, of course.

5 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 04:14 ID:9JMiAV7j

>>1

There are MANY Chinese studying in Japan right now, more than ever. Japanese schools are very welcoming to foreigners because many of them have a hard time filling up on students with the declining population. There should be a very active body of foreign students from China, Korea, and elsewhere.

6 Name: NAACP spokeswomyn : 2007-08-14 06:21 ID:YyEya/rB

They're not white so they are not racist.

7 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 15:02 ID:NTXNmKES

I don't think it's a problem so long as you're in a major city. The older generations may be more patriotic and racist but they are polite so they won't tell you in the face.

8 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-14 20:42 ID:9JMiAV7j

If I ever met an old Japanese racist, I would want to be a nice gaijin to prove whatever stereotypes he/she has wrong.
When you consider some of the stupid/rude things gaijin do when they come to Japan, I don't blame the conservatives for not wanting gaijin in their neighborhoods, biggoted prejudice though it might be. If I were them I wouldn't want such fucktards running around my streets either.
So be a polite gaijin everyone.

9 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-15 02:38 ID:3IsIjurZ

>>7
No, they'll just be very condescending.
>>8
I think you misunderstand the complete entirety of the situation.

10 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-15 02:43 ID:zOaw84mW

>>9
Mind explaining the true situation of the problem?

11 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-17 03:35 ID:Heaven

>>10
Yes, I would mind.

12 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-18 03:33 ID:w5hNoxQB

>>4

Ainu and Okinawans aren't really Wajin.

13 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-19 04:52 ID:2g3pIAT5

>>12
Nobody ever liked them

14 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-20 04:08 ID:CTW4iKt9

>>8
I suspect even being a "nice gaijin" wouldn't cut it, due to nonverbal social cues that are beyond your knowledge. For instance, maintaining prolonged eye contact generally makes a Japanese person uncomfortable; pouring soy sauce on your rice at a meal would be a blatant insult to the rice god; things like that. I may be completely wrong about those two examples, but that just goes to show, doesn't it?

There are a huge number of ways you can offend somebody simply by not being familiar enough with the subtleties of their culture, especially when they want to be offended and to resent you.

15 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-20 20:43 ID:0PgUNId4

>>14

True, I personally find I can't maintain eye contact with people for longer than a few seconds, so I wouldn't want to do that with anybody either. And most rice tastes better plain, besides soy-sauce breaks up the rice clumps so you can't even pick 'em up with your chopsticks afterwards.

16 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-26 05:29 ID:MaLfmfjn

Hey, at least they don't have KKK.

17 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-26 11:30 ID:B5a507i5

>>11
Ah. You know by being a dick, you're acting just as embarrassing, if not moreso, then the Japan-loving weeaboos you probably hate? I know that lovely feeling of superiority you get when you talk down to people and say, "oh, you don't get it. Japan just isn't LIKE THAT. I'm not gonna explain, though. You lowly weeaboos don't deserve my time," but seriously, there are better ways your huge ego and condescending attitude can be put to use. Might I suggest indie rock?

18 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-28 01:10 ID:Heaven

>>17
fail.

19 Name: Citizen : 2007-08-28 12:52 ID:AhbibzB3

What about other ethnicities, if not Chinese.

I've read about the Japanese people, especially the children, being very impressionable when it comes to foreigners. For example, I've read the case in particular of a certain black wrestler who has become quite famous there and as such people there see all black foreigners as him.

Any truth in this? What about Hispanic peoples in Japan? I imagine there aren't that many so I speculate that they have no opinion on them. However, their view on Hispanics might be shaped by their view on the Brazilian-Japanese and others from South America that are returning back to Japan.

20 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-01 04:37 ID:YkQTxgp1

>>14
With all due respect 14, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Foreigners in Japan are given a lot of latitude. Japanese are mostly pretty a nice and an interest in their language and culture will go a long way. Owari.

21 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-02 05:37 ID:R6LdNbGO

This topic is stupid. An intelligent Japanese person would not exhibit signs of racism. The other people are not worth dealing with anyways.

22 Name: 14 : 2007-09-02 07:55 ID:CTW4iKt9

>>20

> If I ever met an old Japanese racist, I would want to be a nice gaijin to prove whatever stereotypes he/she has wrong.

My post was in reply to this.
I did not mean to imply that all Japanese are racist.

23 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-02 19:29 ID:Heaven

Did I see a KKK there? NO.
Did I see a Hal Turner there? NO.
Did I see a Pro Race Group over there? Maybe.
But did I see a gajin fag suing over places that didn't allow him to come in for legitimate reasons? YAH.

My point is, THERE ARE HARDLY ANY RACISM THERE. Just exploitive bastards that need to be shot.

24 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-03 20:34 ID:AhbibzB3

>>legitimate reasons?
What "legitimate" reasons? You're not Japanese, you can't enter or use these services? You're not Japanese, I'm scared of you, you can't enter or use these services? You're not Japanese, I can't deal with you, you can't enter or use these services?

25 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-05 00:15 ID:R6LdNbGO

>>23

Just because you didn't see extremists doesn't mean they do not exist.

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27 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-05 16:42 ID:r1I1pHot

>>26

Probably not. Racism against black people in the US is very culturally ingrained. There's a deep societal rift that has yet to heal there. Black people in Japan are maybe a little exotic, but not much more than other gaijin, and the same stereotypes apply in most cases. You'd be a gaijin first and a black person second, which might be a big advantage.

28 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-09 06:05 ID:Heaven

>>23
the absence of people overtly pushing racism can also being indicative of systemic racism. i.e. it's already there so why advocate it?

29 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-11 06:28 ID:Heaven

>>28
Yay, create something out of nothing! The absence of anyhting can mean anything, folks!

30 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-13 13:14 ID:qXeb8x7f

Someone told me that Philippinos are to the Japanese what the Polish are to the Germans, easily exploitable and good for making the rough jobs. Truth or false?

31 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-13 18:52 ID:hfJSYmg0

How about Racism in Korea?
Koreans are known to actually point fingers at black-skinned people in public places, and have derogatory terms for them.
It's no wonder they were targeted by the blacks in the LA riots in 1992.

32 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-14 06:06 ID:3IsIjurZ

>>30

> Philippinos are to the Japanese what the Polish are to the Germans

I herd Philippinos:Japanese::Mexicans:Americans

> Koreans are known to actually point fingers at black-skinned people in public places, and have derogatory terms for them.
> It's no wonder they were targeted by the blacks in the LA riots in 1992.

LA is in Korea? Has The Big One© finally happened?

Yes, Korea is 'racist' too. This isn't ever argued however due to the lower concentration of Korean culture idolaters.

33 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-15 17:26 ID:vdY1/ZQR

chinese immigrants cause a good chunk of the murders in japan among other crimes. there's negative connotation against the chinese immigrants for that.

34 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-16 10:08 ID:jGUA/Kl2

>>32
Korea is one of the most racist countries in the developed world.

I can understand that they have an inflated sense of nationalism after what the Japanese did to them not so long ago, but you should hear some of the things they teach their children.

Nationalism doesn't have to involve hatred for other nationalities.

They should also realise that other countries have had much harder times than them and they don't constantly cry about it.

Why are they demanding apologies from innocent people? I don't expect apologies from all German people because most of them did not commit those atrocities.

Sorry for rambling...

35 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-16 22:16 ID:Heaven

>>34

>Korea is one of the most racist countries in the developed world.

Sorry, they aren't even in the "developing" country category, let alone "developed"
They are still aspiring to attain homo sapiens status...

36 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-17 02:44 ID:Fr04Yuwh

>>34

Exactly. Hell, the people TRY to be American (and by that, I mean the bad way.). Fucking Pussies.

37 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-17 04:17 ID:Heaven

>>34

> Nationalism doesn't have to involve hatred for other nationalities.

It does by it's very nature.

> I don't expect apologies from all German people because most of them did not commit those atrocities.

They've already made amends, regardless, multiple times to the reasonable satisfaction of everyone involved.
>>35

> They are still aspiring to attain homo sapiens status...

Whoops! YOU'RE RACIST!

38 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-19 17:52 ID:Heaven

>>35

>They are still aspiring to attain homo sapiens status...

Well said!
Let me add that Koreans eat dogs
because dogs are more loved by humans than Koreans are
and they are REALLY jealous of that fact.

39 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-20 00:39 ID:Heaven

>>38
Your owner should not let you use the internet, it's for people only.
...How did you learn to type with paws, anyway?

40 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-21 01:47 ID:R6LdNbGO

>>38

Dogs are delicious. I would like to eat them every day.

41 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-21 02:30 ID:Heaven

42 Name: ViolentAJ : 2007-09-28 11:29 ID:PVzq0Ba5

Yeah, Japanese hate Black people. All races are welcome in Japoan except for Blacks. If you are not Black, you will be welcomed with open arms (and legs). It's no wonder latrinos and japs mix so much, given then fact that both hate Blacks.

43 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-28 14:39 ID:Heaven

>>42

>It's no wonder latrinos and japs mix so much, given then fact that both hate Blacks.

whaht?

44 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-28 16:21 ID:3IsIjurZ

>>42
That's news to me, last time I check Japanese Nationals were most prejudiced toward nationals from neighbouring countries (and vice-versa).

>>43
Obviously, he's from socal, or another US state with a high number of Asian and Hispanic immigrants

45 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-29 05:55 ID:Wgjymd40

not as bad compare to others countries
>>42
how did you know they hate black people?

46 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-29 23:41 ID:ouLZYhbR

I've come to the conclusion, that given the current status of racism, biggotry, and racial conflict in the world, Japan isn't any more racist than your average European nation, and probably less so than many other countries, including the USA.

47 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-30 04:57 ID:Heaven

>>46
Apples and Oranges

48 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-30 20:06 ID:ouLZYhbR

>>47
Bananas and Apricots?

49 Name: Citizen : 2007-09-30 20:09 ID:3IsIjurZ

>>48
Mangoes and Kiwi!

50 Name: ViolentAJ : 2007-10-02 09:05 ID:PVzq0Ba5

Nazis and spics

51 Name: Citizen : 2007-10-03 16:52 ID:4vYwMRuc

in japan , discrimination against men exists.
there are 'women only car' in japanese train.

52 Name: Citizen : 2007-10-03 23:37 ID:3IsIjurZ

>>51
I am sorry that all opportunities for anonymous sexual assault have been denied to you by this appalling discrimination.

53 Name: Citizen : 2007-10-04 00:42 ID:H8B4GL9n

lol

54 Name: Citizen : 2007-11-30 16:28 ID:FmK+Bse/

Korean are most hated in Japan.
Chinese are secondly avoided.

55 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-07 21:49 ID:RpW8+v4+

Aside from the serious problems between Japan - South Korea and Japan - China, racism really isn't that prevelant in Japan. There may be some kind of trendy "racism" theme among the youth culture -- such as people cosplaying Nazis -- but that's just a smaller part of a complex identity issue going on.

56 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-07 21:51 ID:RpW8+v4+

"there are 'women only car' in japanese train." - I believe that's actually a safety precaution due to sexual perversion. You can't even walk down the street in a mini-skirt without being harassed.

57 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-08 12:24 ID:QT05DLlL

>>52
On the contrary, it's become easier. If a woman is on the non-women-only car, it means she is available for groping.

58 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-09 03:51 ID:dWGu+G/p

>>44

because socal is a US State, right?

59 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-09 22:00 ID:Heaven

>>58
Right.

60 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-10 03:32 ID:bd9WG2Tj

Go to Japan and count all the "Japanese only" signs you see at restaurants and other businesses.

61 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-10 06:46 ID:Heaven

>>60
I asked Debito Arudou and he said there is over eight thousand.

62 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-10 08:17 ID:eyRN15Dn

>>61

WHAT EIGHT THOUSAND?

THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

63 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-10 08:22 ID:Heaven

The thing I don't like about threads like these is they make Japan seem like a "racist country" when really Japan isn't necessarily more racist than any other country, and actually considerably more open and liberal than most. It has its particular brand of racism, so does Norwary, France, and Germany, and like everyone else's brand of "ethnic identity", it has both positive and negative aspects.

64 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-10 19:37 ID:5/CsxxsN

>>63
I haven't heard of european restaurants/businesses segregating customers by ethnic group...

65 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-10 21:41 ID:eyRN15Dn

>>64

Well, foreigners don't stand out as much, so you can't segregate them as easily, but try getting a job in France if your name is "Mohammed".

66 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-15 01:42 ID:f39D7S+b

>try getting a job in France if you're unable to speak the local language, have an extensive criminal record and your culture prohibits you from doing business with infidels

fixt

also i loled how the gooks think sandniggers "don't stand out as much" in a white community

67 Name: Citizen : 2007-12-15 14:49 ID:Heaven

>>66

Racist in a racism thread.

68 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-01 16:24 ID:kNv02XIV

>>60 Go to Japan and count all the "Japanese only" signs you see at restaurants and other businesses.

Have you ever seen restaurant at that sign?
I never seen that (general ?) reataurant.
All of such a restruants or bers are hostessclub(very expensive system for only drinks with girls ) or Prostitution business.
That's all non-Japanese could not understand payment system.
So they want to avoid travel.

and all of you must know such s business (sex business and hostess club) have beeen occpied by Korean.(ZAINICHI)

69 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-10 13:34 ID:FidtQkVk

im a white australian. in japan people wouldnt sit next to me on trains, and i was avoided. sometimes people would stare until i looked at them, then they would turn their heads as if they never saw me.

70 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-10 20:16 ID:tycdUlDY

>>69
I think all of us that are in the ethnic majority of our respective countries should experience this kind of treatment at least once in their lives.

71 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-11 14:59 ID:INZ+gmd7

Most of my Japanese friends(mostly teenager) said, that most Japanese begin to like also Chinese and Korean people. Maybe only older people still have this racistthinking, or retarded obsessed ones. But i don't really think that it is still a big problem there..

72 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-12 08:46 ID:FidtQkVk

>>69here. another example was when 2 youngish jap chicks (probs aged between 20 - 30) refused to get into a cable car with me and my friend. how do i know this? i speak the language and understood every word of what they said. it was probably a one off thing tho. ive heard the same as what >>71 said, and i also agree with >>70 on this issue as well.

73 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-14 11:42 ID:k1+3sKfr

>>72
Maybe because you're a weird looking nerd that refers to them as Japs.

74 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-14 18:09 ID:x09/STii

>>72
Get a cane and pretend you're blind, see how much the staring increases.

75 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-14 22:23 ID:7S/IpazF

lol @ jap apoligists

76 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-15 11:45 ID:FidtQkVk

>>74 hahahah ive always wanted to do that actually. think of how much of a perv you could be. heheheh

77 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-18 05:14 ID:4cFYADL9

You little crackas think it's tough being honky in Jappan, try being a brother just about anywhere else. Nigger, nigger, nigger, that's all I ever hear, and once I even heard it from a guy so pale he must of been half white. Now that's a racist. You don't know racist till you been a big black spook and walked where I've walked.

78 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-20 11:10 ID:DCPWIQ20

>>77 I believe it actually.

79 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-21 03:44 ID:tycdUlDY

>>77
Maybe if you stopped calling everyone 'crackas' and 'honky' they wouldn't reciprocate with 'nigger'.

80 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-27 21:11 ID:KZu7yCar

>>46

>Japan isn't any more racist than your average European nation

You must be North American or live under a rock. Europeans are very very racist.

I worked on a TV show once titled Globe Trekker/Pilot Guides/Lonely Planet). In this show, an adventurer is sent to a country in the world with a small camera crew to experience life, sights, sounds, culture, food et cetera. They hardly ever sent an Asian, Hispanic or Black to any European country due to racism, yet have sent whites to African and South American countries.

81 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-27 21:58 ID:tycdUlDY

> They hardly ever sent an Asian, Hispanic or Black to any European country due to racism, yet have sent whites to African and South American countries.

That is in no way racist.
A show targeted at and produced by whites is going to feature whites at the forefront.
The same with any race or culture.
Turkish media is filled with Turks.
India's movie industry is dominated by Indians.
Japanese television is saturated with the Japanese.

82 Name: Citizen : 2008-01-30 03:22 ID:Heaven

>>81

I think you misunderstood. What I mean is, for example, an African American host would not be sent to Poland due to racism from whites there.

83 Name: Citizen : 2008-02-07 05:27 ID:Heaven

>>82
Sorry, I wasn't aware the show ever had any Black hosts.
(Don't you mean African British?)

84 Name: Citizen : 2010-03-01 20:26 ID:H0rhPhxT

There are no Japanese racist in Japan.

However, unfortunately, Koreans and other few foreign nationals are racists.
Thats all.

85 Name: Citizen : 2010-03-02 16:23 ID:kG7saxqI

>>84
Have you ever visited both Japan and Korea?
From my experience (btw I'm Norwegian),
I have been mistreated hell a lot more in Japan and I'm sick of it.

Foreigners think that Japanese are polite and kind and yada yada yada,
but that is SO WRONG.
The thing about Japanese are that they PRETEND to be polite.
They are just unconcealed.
Like what someone else mentioned, they do give you a long hard stare until you give them a stare back.
They will also start slagging you off from behind once they notice that you don't understand Japanese.

I've been treated like that for 2 years.
I'll never go back to that stupid country full of cold blooded monkeys.

86 Name: Citizen : 2010-03-02 16:25 ID:kG7saxqI

I mean "concealed."
Sorry.

87 Name: Citizen : 2010-03-02 22:24 ID:B/av6ZwS

kG7saxqI said

>I'll never go back to that stupid country full of cold blooded monkeys.

They don't want racist like you to be there anyway.lol

88 Name: Citizen : 2010-03-02 23:16 ID:kG7saxqI

>>87
Yeah, I guess turned me into one great racist... lol
I'm sorry if any of this made good Japanese fellow fed up,
but please understand that these racist stuff is truly happening in Japan.
I don't know why, but there are so many Japanese who do have two faces.

89 Name: Citizen : 2010-03-03 16:38 ID:6Efono/k

Sorry to say this, but If you are truely Norwegian,
it's just a matter of cultural gap, not racial problem.
Because Japanese don't have custom that strangers smile
each other like western people do.
It's just misunderstanding or cultural gap to feel uneasy
about being stared.
And I hate to say this but, the attitude of Japanese toward like korean is not racism. Because korean are hating Japanese,
attacking Japanese, abducting, and so on.
Surely, none in the world likes people who hate him.

90 Name: Citizen : 2010-04-03 22:34 ID:8UgLypC5

>>85
I totally agree with you.
Japanese are racists and what's worse they are not aware of the fact.
They think and behave as if they are superior race over other
Asian nationals for no reasons.
Just find any Japanese girls and ask if they were Chinese or Koreans,
then they certainly get offended for being mistaken for an inferior race.
If you ask them if they were Westerners then you'll find a
wonderful smile.

91 Name: another viewpoint : 2010-05-05 20:48 ID:Dvn6xXPZ

Isn't that because girls want to be judged as trendy and also 'classy', and China and Korea are still behind in terms of socio-economic development. Nothing inherent to race, in terms of physical body. Think the other way- Japanese girls have no problem pointing out I look Japanese, after I tell them I'm Chinese. In their mind, this in no way 'tarnishes/degrades' their image of Chinese vs. Japanese, conferring 'Japanese physical identity' onto a Chinese.

92 Name: a japanees : 2010-05-07 11:47 ID:Ek+LKuan

eh\ can i write ere?

93 Name: a japanees!.7epshKtLc : 2010-05-07 11:52 ID:Ek+LKuan

isn't it annoying everytime we need to write Verification?
Are we racist? this is the topic here as I understand.
If we are racist, Norweigians or these Caucasians, what should we call them? It maybe Super Racists in hell.
ha. yes we stare at Gaizines and we have racial prejudices but we don't treat them badly like Caucasians does in Hotel front or Restaurant. THe end

94 Name: Citizen : 2010-05-11 06:03 ID:Heaven

95 Name: a japanees!81o66ZVmaI : 2010-05-17 04:03 ID:Ek+LKuan

>>94
debito is a typical example who says "Japanese are racist" thing.
He always pricks about Japan but pretend to forget about their own arrogant attitude in Japan.

I forgot the password so changed it.

You Caucasians are the REAL RACIST. so many example to list ha.

96 Name: Citizen : 2010-05-18 06:36 ID:Heaven

>>95
"Your countries are racist too" is not an excuse. Nobody should be racist. This thread happens to be about Racism in Japan, feel free to start a thread about Racism in USA or elsewhere. I can't deny it exists in my country and you shouldn't deny it exists in yours.

In any case, by linking Debito I was just disproving your statement:

> yes we stare at Gaizines and we have racial prejudices but we don't treat them badly like Caucasians does in Hotel front or Restaurant.

97 Name: a japanees!81o66ZVmaI : 2010-05-19 08:06 ID:Ek+LKuan

Whatever you say, Japanese are not racist at all.
Weve never traded African People as a "Slave".
Your people "Exported" and "Imported" humans.
This tell it all.
You really uses stupid sophism, eh?
Debito something is horrible. dont worth reading.

98 Name: Citizen : 2010-05-19 19:07 ID:Heaven

>>97
Japan didn't have African slaves but they traded their own people as 奴婢 (nuhi). Those were both long before either of us were born, though, so why bring it up?

If you do want to get the past involved, let's talk about 穢多/eta and 非人/hinin. Maybe they weren't slaves, but that's because no one even wanted to look at them. We may have done reprehensible things to Africans but we didn't go so far as to label them "filth" or "non-humans."

Oh, and even though the caste system was abolished nearly 150 years ago, let's not forget you're still discriminating against their descendants as 部落民/burakumin.

99 Name: Citizen : 2010-05-23 13:04 ID:Ek+LKuan

>>98
Okay, youare an ignorant asshole.

100 Name: Citizen : 2010-05-23 22:03 ID:Heaven

>>99
Care to explain what I'm ignorant about?

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