So I was looking at my university's psychology course materials today and I realised that null hypothesis testing is abused to the point of meaninglessness by social scientists and that's one of the reasons why psychologists aren't real scientists.
PROVE ME WRONG
we wouldn't need psychology if it weren't for the authoritarian bent of society
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>>1 is correct. Psychology generally and psychiatry particularly are not so much disciplines as collections of largely-unexamined assumptions. It is a field without scientific rigor, masquerading as a science. It may or may not have utility and merit of its own but as long as they continue wrapping themselves in white lab coats and pretending to be something they are not, I shall continue to point this out.
Neuropsychology is the sole portion of the field meriting definition as a science. As such, it is constantly denounced in the field's scholarly journals as "soulless biological reductionism," usually couched in PoMo lit-crit-speak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry is a good article but for some reason the moderators keep removing my edits, in which I mention that psychiatry and psychology cannot be sciences because no axiom in them meets Popper's criterion of falsifiability.
Skinner and Pavlov's most famous works aren't falsifiable? That's news to me.
As you say, Psychology is a big field of varying quality. You'll have more success if your criticisms are specific to subdisciplines and their associated theories. E.g., Psychoanalysis, which is what Popper specifically referred to.
Also, psychology and psychiatry are not one and same, even if they share some overlap.
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I hate it when people use the "Hypothesis, prove me wrong!" thing. It shows that that guy is lazy. Why don't you prove yourself right, before pompously asking me to prove it wrong?
And then if you don't come up with something in five seconds they'll say something like "Ha, see you can't prove me wrong. Therefore Im correct". Yeah, well how about FUCK YOU, I dont have a phd, so dont expect me to debunk your complex theory so fucking quickly!
I hate it when people use the "Hypothesis, prove me wrong!" thing. It shows that that guy is lazy. Why don't you prove yourself right, before pompously asking me to prove it wrong?
And then if you don't come up with something in five seconds they'll say something like "Ha, see you can't prove me wrong. Therefore Im correct". Yeah, well how about FUCK YOU, I dont have a phd, so dont expect me to debunk your complex theory so fucking quickly!
ITT rage.
> Why don't you prove yourself right, before pompously asking me to prove it wrong?
It's impossible to prove a theory true in the sciences. If you want that, stick to mathematics.
> "Ha, see you can't prove me wrong. Therefore Im correct".
That person doesn't understand how science works. See above.
As an example: for the longest time Europeans believed there were only white swans. But just because they had only observed white swans didn't mean all swans were white.
Lo and behold, when they discovered Australia, what did they find? Those dastardly black swans!
Just because scientists have always observed x happen doesn't mean that x will continue to always happen.
If I may quote from one of my favorite current scientific thinkers, Alan Schwarz:
"Science is mathematical modeling of reality, empirically constrained. Science strives for spareness of form with maximum generality."
So how do you know when the theory is wrong, as opposed to when the observations are wrong? The swan might have been painted black.
>>16
This is why scientists publish their findings, to allow others to repeat the experiment and check the observations.
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Any of the so-called "sciences" that apply to the maitenance of human beings are merely glorified witchdoctery. None of the medical sciences are as yet mature enough to join the ranks of the logical and infinitely predictable sciences that have developed around the observation of objects.
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Synthetic and pretty accurate, I think.
That's what she said?
In the end psychology would be a science, right? We've learned stuff about how people behave from studying them, that action thus being psychology. It's STILL being studied. Thus it's a science!
>>25 It's a pseudo science. There is nothing scientific about the subject (read up a little on Zimbardo's prison experiment and Milgram's obedience studies and you'll see why)
>>25
Nah. Psychology is what natural philosophy was before anyone had the means to verify their observations. You don't really think air, water, fire, and dirt which flow through luminiferous ether are what make up our universe, do you?
>>27 Straw Man logical fallacy.
Boring.
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My biology teacher said the almost exact thing as the OP, today.
Is it empirical? Is it positivist? Does it test hypothese through use of observations, which can be replicated experimentally? Is the scientific method used?
If not, then it's not a science.
>>31
Studying animal behavior is classified as biology (or zoology, perhapse more accurately) and nobody argues that it's a fake science. So why in the case of humans?
>>1
More accurate than scientology which claims to be the true path of mental health written by a science fiction author with a messiah complex who lied repeatedly about his military record then went on to write about our lord xenu who 75 million earth dropped billions of bodies around volcanoes, blew them up, then brainwashed their spirits into believing in the modern day religions and this is where all our problems come from.
>.>
Between the two, I'll take actual fruedian psychology courses at a high end college over regular college classes as they only ever give a basic outline of psychology and fail to truly get into the brain chemistry of it (Which is required for a full degree in the field I am told).