Inheritance (72)

1 Name: Citizen 2005-12-05 23:09 ID:vbaE8izG This thread was merged from the former /politics/ board. You can view the archive here.

I don't see any threads discussing what I think is an important difference between Capitalism and Socialism, namely Inheritance.
I don't see any moral reason why children deserve to Inherit the money that there parents made. Is there an economic reason I'm missing?

2 Name: Citizen 2005-12-06 00:18 ID:DVX1LKNe

There are enough practical reasons, at least. It encourages people to work hard now to know that their children will be better off than them.

3 Name: Citizen 2005-12-06 02:49 ID:uUAelgqF

You and I are so different, it's like we are on from different solar systems. Seriously.

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5 Name: Citizen 2006-02-08 12:16 ID:HOm/xNE1


Stupid question, stupid thread. So if your parents would be rich (or at least doing well) you wouldn't want to inherit money from them?

6 Name: Citizen 2006-02-09 05:18 ID:Heaven

And after I use thier money to buy my own island, I will beat you with a pipe and sodomize your children, because that is what I want to do.

7 Name: Citizen 2006-02-09 08:41 ID:Heaven

original thoughs... i wonder what's in the next thread.

8 Name: Citizen 2006-02-10 14:28 ID:Heaven


But I don't have kids...

9 Name: Citizen 2006-02-14 04:21 ID:J0cGVTiP

I may want to, but why do I deserve to, any more than I deserve free money in general?

10 Name: Citizen 2006-02-16 02:36 ID:vEiW1Hw9

If the money doesn't go to family, then it goes to the state. Work hard, accumulate money, then give it to the state. Wonderful idea.

11 Name: Citizen 2006-02-16 03:28 ID:vbaE8izG

You aren't giving money to the state. You aren't giving money to anyone, because you are no more. You have ceased to be.

12 Name: Citizen 2006-02-16 13:44 ID:Heaven

Also, "the state" doesn't take that money and put it in a big pile somewhere. They use it to make life better for everyone. This is the theory of taxes in most modern societies.

Also, >>1 asked for an economic reason why inhertance should be allowed. You gave the reason "but I wanna!", which isn't exactly economic. Can you give an answer to >>1's question?

13 Name: Citizen 2006-02-17 14:17 ID:rdvJocSy

There isn't much of a reason not to keep it as it is. No inheritance can be legislated but it's impossible to implement. How are you going to stop parents from giving things to their children without denying them the ability to raise them up as normal people?

14 Name: Citizen 2006-02-17 18:30 ID:DywmDbmd

I think Marx's idea of a 100% inheritence tax is a terrible idea for just the whole demotivational aspect, but some inheritence tax is necessary to prevent aristocracy since wealth is power. An inheritence tax is necessary to push us towards meritocracy where more wealth is generally only gotten for harder work and greater contribution.

If we ever do abolish the inheritance tax, we should call the bill "The Paris Hilton Empowerment Act."

15 Name: Citizen 2006-02-18 02:19 ID:Heaven


Raising children and inheritence don't seem all that related to me. Please expand on this.

16 Name: Citizen 2006-02-18 16:30 ID:PUyi3xQC


You can give your stuff to your kids before you die. Inheritance problem solved.

17 Name: Citizen 2006-02-18 21:16 ID:vbaE8izG

Limit how much stuff you can give to your kids before you die. Inheritance problem problem solved.

18 Name: Citizen 2006-02-18 21:27 ID:vEiW1Hw9

So what. His family is still alive. His family could be financiallyl dependant on him. If he doesn't write a will, in your world the government would just take all his money and land. Imagine this: a bunch of govt. officials telling someone that he has to leave his house because your father didn't write his will. The govt. is the owner of the house now. I guess, in your world, the govt. gets the house even if the father did write his will.

19 Name: Citizen 2006-02-18 21:28 ID:vEiW1Hw9

>>18 *his father

20 Name: Citizen 2006-02-19 04:35 ID:Heaven

That’s not an argument against the elimination of inheritance; it’s an argument against taxes in general; and an incoherent one at that.
Hint: The government doesn't take your capital and burn it. Those leaving behind more assets than the mean average (therefore well under 50% of the population) would have the fraction of their estate beyond the average distributed among those estates that are below the average, such that each person received an equal inheritance.

21 Name: Citizen 2006-02-19 11:28 ID:y6Ecoy/6


How are you going to do that without turning over the social order and make everyone a communist?

22 Name: Citizen 2006-02-19 11:36 ID:ioYssL2J

>>21 again

I forgot to say what you described is still inheritance

23 Name: Citizen 2006-02-19 17:51 ID:J0cGVTiP

I think >>14 has it, people will be motivated to work harder if their wealth goes to their children.

24 Name: Citizen 2006-02-21 04:18 ID:vbaE8izG

there are lots of things that motivate people, that doesn't mean they are a good idea.

25 Name: Citizen 2006-02-21 06:11 ID:LdPCDlg0

The economic reason is that we don't want to be welfare or worse communists. This is a moral reason too; history shows how oppressive communism is.

26 Name: Citizen 2006-02-21 13:00 ID:Heaven

> The economic reason is that we don't want to be welfare or worse communists.

This is a personal and emotional reason. Try again.

27 Name: Citizen 2006-02-22 13:30 ID:rdvJocSy

OK how about this.

Inheritance is income. No inheritance (or all assets go to government) is effectively 100% tax. You don't tax anything 100% and if I have to say why then you need to go study the basics.

28 Name: Citizen 2006-02-22 13:42 ID:FOFvTI39

> in·come (ĭn'kŭm')
> n.
> 1. The amount of money or its equivalent received during a period of time in exchange for labor or services, from the sale of goods or property, or as profit from financial investments.

Doesn't sound like inheritance to me.

29 Name: Citizen 2006-02-22 13:55 ID:rdvJocSy

It's income. Go ask your professor.

30 Name: Citizen 2006-02-22 15:15 ID:FOFvTI39


Ok. I think all the money you pay to the government should be paid to me instead. That's income, but the government takes all of it, thus it is 100% tax, thus BAD!

31 Name: Citizen 2006-02-22 19:13 ID:XPQMhDLI

There is no good moral reason, it's just a lot more convenient.

32 Name: Citizen 2006-02-22 23:13 ID:vbaE8izG

A liberal goes to college and gets B.S. in math or science.
A conservative goes to college and gets a B.F.A. in... Something else... I think it starts with an "E".

33 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2006-02-23 03:05 ID:Heaven

34 Name: 30 2006-02-23 13:28 ID:Heaven


I posted both of those.

35 Name: Citizen 2006-02-24 23:17 ID:Heaven

>>33 >>34
I posted both of these.

36 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-03 01:39 ID:I/iYFG+z

lol at you if you think there are so many liberals in math and science.

37 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-03 04:49 ID:Heaven

I'm guessing your from 4chan. Please don't make troll posts, or as it is said in your language, STFU.

38 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-03 22:01 ID:p2xwgGpV

Why do children inherit the money of their parents? First of all, those who make the money deserve to decide where it finally ends up. It was THEIRS in life, and their final wishes (if they had any) should be respected completely. Second of all, as mentioned, people want to inherit their money, and parents want to give it. It is only natural that laws reflect these desires.

Someone mentioned that a tax would help the people in general. To be frank, why should one give a fuck about some blood-sucking tick living on welfare, or even a legitimately poor person? One has a moral right to send what was theirs where they want to, to people whom they actually care for.

39 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-04 00:09 ID:Heaven

natural != good

40 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-06 21:59 ID:Heaven

this whole tread is troll

41 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-07 05:23 ID:Heaven

This whole post is troll.

42 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-07 14:20 ID:Heaven

>>38 is one more person who fails at reading >>1 and providing an actual economic reasons and not just an emotional one.

PS: You care about others because you have basic human compassion, which overrides the simple animal greed.

43 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-08 06:37 ID:De/r/9Wj

So what is a good reason for 100% inheritance tax that cannot be compared to 100% tax on income?

44 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-08 14:46 ID:Heaven


Because you did no direct work for the inheritance, unlike your normal income?

45 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-08 21:59 ID:De/r/9Wj

It could be considered income. Isn't income supposed to be just transfer of moneys, financial gain?

46 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-09 04:05 ID:mzXWj7aW

A 100% estate tax is not a 100% income tax. Its a 100% tax on a fraction of your income, a fraction that you don't deserve.

47 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-09 04:19 ID:p2xwgGpV

The government no more "deserves" the money than the dead person's family.

48 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-09 06:45 ID:Heaven

The government is of, for, and by the people. Troll harder.

49 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-09 14:28 ID:G9TcbHje


Semantics. It should be pretty obvious that normal income and inheritance are very different things, and even if you stretch the meaning of the word "income" to contain both, that changes nothing.


If you want to go that way, nobody deserves anything. So we can't use that as an argument either way. That leaves other arguments, such as economic ones, which people are pretty much failing to produce.

50 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-10 03:43 ID:De/r/9Wj


51 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-03-10 05:54 ID:Heaven


52 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-10 06:34 ID:nYTEg49J


LOL 100% tax IS the economic reason. You just don't tax 100% cos the government will get nothing from the tax since people will just blow all the money before they die or find a loophole (ie they don't actually 'own' the stuff).

53 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-10 07:16 ID:De/r/9Wj

hey guys, do banks need to pay taxes when money is transferred from one person to another? serious question.

54 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-03-10 11:50 ID:Heaven

> people will just blow all the money before they die

That's a remarkably good way to get the money back in circulation.

55 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-10 13:06 ID:Heaven


As has been repeatedly pointed out, that argument is just silly semantic games. And as >>54 points out, there's not necessarily anything wrong with the outcome you suggest.

56 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-10 20:20 ID:Heaven

Internet Marines never give up!

57 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-10 23:08 ID:joPxlBBE


No. They will report any sizeable transaction or repeated transactions, however, and the IRS will come down on you like a sack of bricks if you screw up. Why do you think money laundering is such a big deal?

58 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-11 05:12 ID:p2xwgGpV


The average man cares not one fuck for the government, nor the complete strangers it protects. The government did not earn the money in question, and thus has no right to determine where it should go upon its maker's death.

59 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-03-11 12:30 ID:Heaven

> nor the complete strangers it protects.

Not in my back yard, amirite? Somehow it's okay to benefit from shared wealth when it benefits you, but if it benefits others...

It seems to me that having all the money reenter the economy would do wonders. It would ensure that people work for wealth they desire, promote a more egalitarian society, and promote investment in the individual.

> The government did not earn the money in question,

What if the government represents the people? Someone wealthy is wealthy because of society, not despite it.

> and thus has no right to determine where it should go upon its maker's death.

Why not?

Also, see >>12.

60 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-11 19:11 ID:De/r/9Wj

Offshore accounts is one way to bypass taxes.

61 Name: Citizen : 2006-03-13 12:43 ID:Heaven


By "average man", you mean yourself, right?

62 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-03 03:05 ID:UJWV4iub

I think parents should be allowed to provide a future for their children. Creating a legacy is a part of societal evolution. The strongest/smartest people will become successful, and the weakest members of society will starve and die. The supirior people should be able to pass on their success to their inherently supirior children.

63 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-03 04:01 ID:c6rwwe+1

People should be free to give people any money they want, whether it is economical or not.

Overpopulation is the largest benefactor to poverty in the world.

Eugenics does not have to be inhumane, institutions can be developped where people can go to have procedures done so their children will be healthy and intelligent. I don't see any problem with me not passing on my genes if it will cause unecessary sufferring, I am allergic to nickel. It is possible for scientists to take genes from embryos produced in a test tube from my future wife's egg and my sperm and choose an embryos which does not have the nickel allergy gene.

64 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-03 18:17 ID:L0ruXSCf

> People should be free to give people any money they want, whether it is economical or not.


Does this also include giving bribes, or funding illegal activities?

65 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-09 01:15 ID:H6hgMQLm

It's not the bribe that causes the damage, it's the action by the politician.

If I were a politician I'd accept all bribe, but make the proceedings public and give all the cash to cancer research and child protection funds. If people get arrested for accepting money then people will die of cancer and children will get raped. So in otherwords you support the raping of children by disagreeing with me.

66 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-09 13:26 ID:Heaven

> If I were a politician

You aren't. Factor this into your answer.

67 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-27 07:57 ID:Heaven

>So in otherwords you support the raping of children by disagreeing with me.

Ever heard of argumentum ad baculum?

68 Name: Citizen : 2006-08-27 21:52 ID:qGpUJQbw

Taking >>65's argument to its logical conclusion, every one of us supports the raping of children by failing to donate our entire income to child protection funds. (Unless, of course, these funds only accept donations of bribe-money from radical libertarian politicians.)

69 Name: zaphod : 2006-08-28 00:53 ID:3QtJHgWg

If they want to give their kids money when they croak is their choice....

But if i get to be successful god knows i wont leave my kids squat because i dont want them to turn out like paris hilton :P

70 Name: Citizen : 2006-09-18 01:13 ID:BI+kCw24

The whole concept revolves around the government recognizing families. Can they regulate transactions between family members or something like that?

71 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-09-18 02:50 ID:Heaven

> The whole concept revolves around the government recognizing families.

Been married lately?

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