What really happened on 9/11? (38)

1 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-05 17:13 ID:2NxGd2kl This thread was merged from the former /debate/ board. You can view the archive here.


I would like everyone here to watch this video careful, and give me some input. Please point out some fallacies in the video, because it was a very unsettling thing to watch.

2 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-06 06:13 ID:Heaven


3 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-07 06:11 ID:Heaven

That video really appears to be playing on peoples ignorance.


4 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-07 06:28 ID:Heaven

Loose Change claims
"(1)The buildings simply could not have collapsed from a plane impact or burning fuel: The

melting point of normal steel is far exceeding the burn temperature of aircraft fuel, and this     
steel was not normal. (2)And even if they did melt, resulting in collapse; the building
could not then have fallen at freefall velocities, as its own resistance would have slowed it

Scientific American rebuts
"For example, according to www.911research.wtc7.net, steel melts at a temperature of 2,777

degrees Fahrenheit, but jet fuel burns at only 1,517 degrees F. No melted steel, no collapsed
towers. "The planes did not bring those towers down; bombs did," says www.abovetopsecret.com.
Wrong. In an article in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals, and Materials Society and in
subsequent interviews, Thomas Eagar, an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, explains why: steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000
liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and
paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above
1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building. Temperature differentials
of hundreds of degrees across single steel horizontal trusses caused them to sag--straining and
then breaking the angle clips that held the beams to the vertical columns. Once one truss
failed, others followed. When one floor collapsed onto the next floor below, that floor
subsequently gave way, creating a pancaking effect that triggered each 500,000-ton structure to

Here is a video of molten metal streaming out of the impact area (raw footage, no insinuating commentary) :

5 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-07 20:20 ID:Rg1hcCGa

Not gonna watch an hour and twenty minutes of conspiracy nuttery, sorry. The thing to remember when dealing with conspiracy theories like this is that they'll make appeals to common sense, and common sense will be wrong. >>4 shows one example - the fuel may not burn hot enough to melt steel, but you don't need to melt steel to weaken it. If you just leave out enough facts, you can make any explanation seem unlikely.

To address the part that >>4 didn't:

> And even if they did melt, resulting in collapse; the building could not then have fallen at freefall velocities, as its own resistance would have slowed it considerably.

I didn't watch the video, but I'm guessing they're implying this means explosives were used. I don't know what kind of explosives they think would be capable of getting half of that giant building out of the way so that their free-fall theory would hold and not be noticed - you'd need something on the order of a nuke.

Once again, the truth would be that the common-sense arguments don't hold. I'm no architect or engineer, I can't say what exactly would go on in a collapse like this, but I imagine shockwaves would travel down the structure and destroy it faster than the top mass falls. There are any number of other complex factors to take into account too, which the consipiracy theorists conveniently ignore in favor of their appeal to common sense.

6 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-07 23:40 ID:Heaven

As I understand it, rubble fell much faster than the structure actually collapsed itself; hence the appearance of free fall speeds.

The scientific community at large rejects the various conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of the towers. There is only physicist who has gotten on board with the conspiracy theorists, one Steven E. Jones - The same guy who claims Jesus visited North America. I have a hard time believing all other physicists at large are brainwashed Bush lackeys.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories are in the same league as Holocaust denial, they both string in the ignorant with evidence that is easily disputed by educated people.

7 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-08 15:57 ID:Heaven

Though the towers collapsing has been a literal fucking boon to the american oil, military, security and prison industries. One has to wonder why exactly it is that the americans seem to care so much about what destroyed the towers, being as the effects of the "infinite justice" on U.S. society are plainly visible.

Mussolini would've been proud.

8 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-08 22:19 ID:kYsUmbIe

After hearing the conspiracy theories and the rebuttals, there's still one thing I can't wrap my head around: why did WTC 7 fall? It wasn't the only building in the area to get hit by debris, yet it was the only one to collapse. Why?

9 Name: Citizen : 2006-05-09 05:37 ID:Heaven

10 Name: Citizen : 2006-06-28 20:43 ID:Heaven


11 Name: Citizen : 2006-12-28 05:11 ID:hM9a49O1

The EXCLUSIVE BRETHREN had a hand in 9/11

12 Name: Citizen : 2006-12-31 20:41 ID:JDX0mlqv


If there was really a conspiracy, the elitest superstructure would have killed anyone talking about it.

13 Name: Citizen : 2007-01-01 18:19 ID:Heaven

>>12 like DQN? ^^

14 Name: Citizen : 2007-01-03 01:12 ID:JDX0mlqv


Maybe I have a different idea of "elitest superstructure". What I mean is the people who are in charge of government. You could call them "Bohemian Grove" or "Masonic Lodges", "Illuminati" WTF.

15 Name: Citizen : 2007-01-03 17:50 ID:5PoO0dwo

This makes about as much sense as http://jewsdidwtc.com/ .

16 Name: Citizen : 2007-01-03 19:09 ID:JDX0mlqv


I think I would be more inclined to think DQN did it...

17 Name: Citizen : 2007-01-03 21:35 ID:KZupMcKD

This tragedy was the sole result of our slothful, lethargic bureaucracy. The US had so many air traffic assets at their disposal it's not even funny, and yet at least half of these were ignored, or destroyed due to lack of action. Also, the US Gov't is responsible for inflaming the issue, race-baiting does NOT help to diffuse a crisis.

18 Name: Citizen : 2007-01-04 16:30 ID:Heaven

I agree, Bush's mom needs to get scared and say "you're movin' in with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air."

19 Name: Citizen : 2007-02-08 17:23 ID:v5dW0n++

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20 Name: Citizen : 2007-02-08 17:23 ID:v5dW0n++

Jews did it.

21 Name: Citizen : 2007-02-08 20:06 ID:1U5qjbvl

Simple test: If there was anything at all 'wrong' with the official account of how the towers collapsed, where are the thousands upon thousands of building engineers, architects, and physicists who would be able to know or determine for themselves that something else happened?

22 Name: Nanoviper : 2007-02-09 20:10 ID:i62TWhzQ


23 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-11-17 19:41 ID:lShWQ1fR

DQN DID 9/11

24 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-11-17 21:51 ID:74awIska

>After hearing the conspiracy theories and the rebuttals, there's still one thing I can't wrap my head around: why did WTC 7 fall?

There were basically two major problems: structural damage and uncontrolled fire. This page/podcast sums it up pretty well.

25 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-11-18 05:38 ID:F4y6Z+aW


26 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-11-24 06:20 ID:Ltd0nL25

27 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-11-27 07:31 ID:5FKPZtXH


28 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-11-27 20:22 ID:Z3x70GPa

I did it.

29 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2008-12-03 03:42 ID:Heaven

( ・-・)This thread needs to take its pills

30 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2009-04-04 13:34 ID:Rq35aLS6

i dont know what wrong with the building but all i can say is


31 Name: ZhaoYun : 2009-04-19 01:04 ID:knHvKt+E


I am so sick of paranoid conspiracy theorists confusing people. Occam's Razor people. Does anyone really believe that every one of the large number of people necessary to carry out something this big could actually keep their mouths shut. Or that there are technologies so sophisticated that normally trained professionals wouldn't sniff out the truth right away? Conspiracy nuts can be as bad as christians and muslims.

32 Name: bump : 2014-06-09 07:29 ID:iU9nOxB1

I think there were planes involved

33 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-06-11 02:53 ID:WQOrO5b4

KGB did it
I masterminded it

34 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-06-11 08:03 ID:wh8BG9Kb

No Usama did WTC
(KGB just sponsored him ;) )

35 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-06-12 15:05 ID:kWYcQTtS

Usama wasnt killed in Pakistan, actually he lives in Moscow now :)

36 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-06-13 04:01 ID:Heaven

KGB did WTC? What a bullshit

37 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-07-27 08:00 ID:rhlwbDxs

38 Name: Anonymous Speaker : 2014-11-22 22:17 ID:vjDwpy9N

Saudi bombed NY

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