Do you miss the internet of the 90s and the 2000s?
I do, modern Internet is crap. Nowadays there is no much difference between the Internet and the real world. They want to turn it into the new TV, preaching their "politically correct" hypocrisy.
I agree the internet used to be a place of fun and escapism from reality for the most part. Nowadays however the internet and real life are no different and the internet actually influences our modern society with websites like Twitter back in the 90s and 2000s the internet was just that the internet the world wide web and not this big corporate centralized social media that influenced our society and websites like this one are one of the last few good sites on the net these days.
Late 00s up until ~2012 internet was my favorite. More content than the 'early' internet while not as infested with retards like the modern internet.
The mid/late 000s was a great era but by the early 2010s the internet was already dead in my opinion.
People like to conflate the World Wide Web and The Internet to be the same thing; this is a big mistake to conflate the two ideas. You can have the Internet without the World Wide Web.
Very true the internet has existed since the late 60s.
I miss the 2006-2009 era when smartphones were way too expensive at the time so most people didn't have them. Back then most people still had regular dumb phones and still had to socially engage with others irl and have real conversations and because the internet was so shitty on flip phones most people still had to use their PCs to mainly access the internet back then it truly was a simpler time.
I regret that with today's network speeds and computational power, we could have everything load instantly, on any device and connection and any country in the world, if websites were made with the same constraints as 20 years ago (small files, low quality images /videos). Other than that, no. Society has changed whether we like it or not, old tech is still around cf. News, IRC, they just lost their users. Even this website exists. It's not a technology problem.
Yes it is a technology problem and society has been absolute shit since 2012.
JavaShit should have been killed with fire when it was born
>>11
Javascript is never a problem for me since I started using the LibreJS add-on for GNU Icecat. It lets me know about websites that are designed to be defective. When I know a website is defective by design, I am happy to avoid that website for being defective.
I miss the net.art scene but as long as there's sites that allow me to do whatever I want without any consequences (even the actions that do have consequences mean nothing if you have a VPN), then I'm happy with the internet.
>>1
Yeah I think that's pretty much what the topic of this site is
>>15
considering this site is a relic of the old internet, characterizing it as an "old internet nostalgia site" doesn't seem fair, if that is what you are implying.
while this site is definitely old, I think it's fair to call it "nostalgia" because it was already retro at the time it was created in... 2004-05?
discussion forums were a '80s and '90s thing, by the early '00s most English-speaking internet users had moved onto multimedia-centric and ego-stroking social networking sites like myspace and livejournal. 2channel was one of the very last pure discussion forums to arise (somewhat) organically, and that happened mainly because the Japanese internet as a whole resists innovation
if you call 4-ch "a relic of the old internet" you might also have to call, like, reddit "a relic of the old internet". unless the distinguishing factor is literally never getting any significant software updates
Not really there were still plenty of people on discussion forums in the 2000s and they were still pretty popular especially to discuss media at the time. 4ch is a relic of the old internet" because textboard culture both in Japan and the west is dying people prefer imageboards over BBS textboards and fuck off Reddit is not nor is in anyway "a relic of the old internet" Sites like Reddit Twitter Tumblr and so on may have came out in the 2000s but they didn't take off and get big until the early 2010s and by that time the old internet was already dead everything started to go downhill around 2008/2009 and at first it wasn't so bad but after early 2010 things got really shitty and by 2012 we completely lost everything.
Rest in peace the old internet 1969-2012
Do you think the old internet can be brought back? What would need to happen?
>>20
An apocalypse sufficient to destroy current corporate entities with a vested interest in web bloat/advertising but not so severe as to knock our tech level back below computer tech. A wide-scale return to dial-up type speeds and/or methods would probably help though.
still find it weird that people born the same year this site was set up are already doing porn and politics
That too it is kinda both Gen Z sucks at memes and i hate how they are obsessed with sex and think 4chan culture is the entire internet i hate the fact that 4chan culture spilled out into the rest of the internet.
>>27
Can we really give fault to them though? I mean, the first kind of internet they were exposed to was the commercial/capitalist one. I'm not sure about the part about being obsessed with sex since I think that may apply to most generations since the invention of tv(?), because ever since everything got sexualized and for a lot of people sexualizing everything has become normal because of that.
The 4chan thing is new to me, I think it depends on the places you frequent.
>>27
I also want to add that what a generation ends up consuming and using is mostly fault of the previous generations' inability to control and prevent low-quality/damaging content being fed to children. After all most of the content which is consumed by kids today and therefore the content they learn from is made by people older than them, so I think that older people(previous generations) have a big responsability in how tomorrow children and new generations will end up behaving and thinking.
On a side note I would like to point out that the modern internet doesn't really look different from the old internet, the only thing that changed are the big companies governing it. Can't really prevent the web from becoming a capitalistic tool, low contents and bad media orbit around things that make most money out of people's behavior and attention.
>On a side note I would like to point out that the modern >internet doesn't really look different from the old internet,
Not really websites like YouTube used to be more simple and basic with their layout/design but now it is a cluster fuck to look at with nothing but video playlist and ads all over the place.
> I mean, the first kind of internet they were exposed to was the commercial/capitalist one.
I think you meant corporatist because the internet has been commercial and capitalist since the beginning.
>>20
I doubt it. Also the "old internet" was not that much better where pseudonymous text posting is concerned; Usenet groups and BBS were flooded with autistic trolls who had nothing else to do than obsessively post there and cultivating their online "personas" as happens everywhere where anon posting is not encouraged. Not that different from reddit.
It is true that there was very weak connection between online and offline world, tha facebooks and instagrams and associated lifestyles are completely new. Horse is out of the barn tho, I can't imagine so many people would discard their entire "life"styles now.
I was born in 2000
I can't remember any internet before 2012 except outside what I was told about it.
I mostly use fediverse and *chan / *ch boards.
The main reason I use fediverse is because IRC is dead.
IRC isn't that dead. There are still plenty of active channels around. That being said, they are mostly full of old schizophrenics.
Probably not too different from fediverse in that regard, really.
>>33
that "weak connection" between irl and the net is key. That's what defined the old internet of the 90s and 2000s for me. What i experienced online during that time had very little consequence in the real world. And that era is never coming back. In fact its moving at hyper velocity the other way. We will soon be in a world where your real identity is tied to your online identity EVERYWHERE you go
That is too young to remember the old internet the late 90s zoomers were the last generation to see the old internet if you were born after 1999 you're too young to remember it.
Internet ages as they ended.
Ancient internet (1993) -----> Old internet (2001)*? -----> Mid internet (2007) -----> New Internet (2014) -----> Hell
The 2005-2008 era was the last good era of the internet and the last era where there was actually a disconnect between the internet and real life and you could actually log off the internet completely. When smartphones started becoming more common and affordable around 2009/2010 that was when everything started going downhill and people who didn't know how to use a computer now had access to the internet and by 2012 the old internet was dead.
>>35
That is strange. I'm only five years older but my memories extend way beyond 2007 (the analogous time window for me). My earliest memories of the internet are from 1999. I think Old Internet stopped being Old Internet for me around 2004 when I noticed that websites were completely different.
I do miss the older protocols. That shit was just about dead by the time I was old enough to use a computer, but they were still alive in recent memory at the time for me to experience them. I remember seeing Gopher links in 2001 and so on. I barely understood the purpose of FTP but I did go to FTP sites because I liked to look at folders and files online.
>I think Old Internet stopped being Old Internet for me around 2004
I think that was when the golden age ended and the climax of the final good days were 2005-Early 2010.
What was the beginning of "Web 2.0"?
>>49 What was it though? Is there something that can be pointed at like, that was the start of the chapter?
>>50
From a technical point of view, dynamically modifying webpages based on a server-side application's response to user input was made possible by the XMLHttpRequest JavaScript API, which was implemented started in mid-1999 in IE and late 2000 in Mozilla (though in both browsers it wasn't particularly mature until roughly 2002, and not a completely formal specification until 2006.)
"Web 2.0" as a term also was popularized by a conference in 2004 though it first appeared in someone's article describing the future of the internet in 1999.
I think the first widely used Web 2.0 application was Gmail in 2004 followed by Google Maps in 2005. There were earlier websites that made use of dynamic webpages but none became all that popular, or survived for very long (except for Microsoft's shit.)
fuck i want the old internet back so badly i don't even know how to browse for cool webpages anymore since the net is so centralized to huge websites now
i thought things were officially dead 2012 onwards what even happened in 2012 that caused the internet to be completely done for.
>>53
gangnam style hitting 1 bn views on youtube and being in everyones mouth; the signal that a critical mass of "normal people" were now on the internet
>>35
prob gonna get underageb& for saying this but Anon here was two years old in 2008. I barely knew how to use a computer in 2012, let alone browse things such as image and discussion boards(though considering the type of kid I was at that age and a few years down the line that was probably for the absolute best), though I have always had a bit of deep regret for not chinning up and browsing 4chan before the post-moot era instead of brushing it off as the website the news said was for nazis, so I could have gone down the net culture rabbit hole while it was still even a relic of its past. Even if I wasn't here for the best of our days, I'm still glad to be here with the oldfags to spread their wisdom from the times I was in diapers.
Stay cool, Channel4.
You're a fucking retard get the fuck out of here you're too young to remember the old internet and don't belong here anyone born after the late 90s is not old enough to remember the old internet or even 2000s pop culture as well i don't know why but there seems to be a tendency from people in their late teens and early twenties to be fascinated with the era they were alive in but too young to really experience.
Get the fuck out little kid you don't know shit about old internet culture you're a social media baby.
>>57
Lol this kid spending his time in a nursery home instead of playing football or fornite with his schoolmates.
I never pretended to; I even said in my post "even a relic of its past," as minuscule as any relic of the 90's and early 00's may have been at the time(if it even existed at all, which according to the general consensus of the thread wasn't the case, sorry). I know that 4chan culture isn't the whole internet, otherwise I wouldn't even be here. Read my post before replying.
>>48-51
I think the terms are a bit nebulous and depend on who you ask. Some people think HTML webpages with cgi-bin scripts are the beginning of web 2.0, and those sites date back to the late 90s. I think for most people though, web 2.0 is a design philosophy. The era of round corners, gradients, icons, user interaction, and so on. Social media is probably the biggest delineating point, but then again, blogs and forums and 2ch style BBSes fall into that category as well.
It's just one of those things that you know when you see it. The details are a bit murky though.
Is "Web 2.0" even an accurate term anymore? Considering how the web seems to have moved on from open APIs to walled garden social media stuff (and phone apps) as well as the trend towards fewer gigantic sites, should we maybe have a new term for it?
>The era of round corners, gradients, icons, user interaction, and so on.
Yeah, for me Web 2.0 is a design philosophy. When websites switched to html with basic colors, backgrounds, gifs, and fonts to everything having to fit in a circle or have round corners. I miss browsers having everything default to a inset/outset border and text looking all pixelated.
>>68
I have heard the numbers go all the way up to Web 5.0 at this point. In some sense we're showing our age by speaking exclusively of 2.0. Though frankly, 3.0 and beyond never were as popular in the discourse and not many people really care to distinguish. Old vs New is good enough for most people.
im new here. idk what to do
Lurk more lurk for months or years if you don't know about old internet culture especially textboards do some research.
>>74
Years? Is this a language? Why would someone lurk for YEARS?
It helps you not look like a dumbass and eventually fit in.
Heh, don't mind me. Just browsing the ol' Chill-web.
I assume you just want to me redirect to the board so people can see the bump you just made in the speech bubbles thread, but for any real newcomers out there looking for pointers:
https://4-ch.net/ascii/ AA Bar
http://aachan.sageru.org SJIS collections
>>51,67 Cheers. Yeah it was the technical perspective I was interested in. I know the difference from a design perspective as you guys mentioned, and I remember the general atmosphere of the Net changing from "1.0" to "2.0" I just wondered if there was a particular turning point that stood out, or a certain technological advancement that allowed the design philosophy to proliferate. So thanks!
>>68,71 Hmm, really? That's mental
Pseudonymous forums and such were actually hella lame. The way most people heard of them was through some kind of magazine, they were usually a cliqueish circlejerk of people with similar subcultural/retardcultural affinities. Which were heavily moderated by the host himself and gatekept to keep a bunch of losers in an autistic bubble. It is why anonymous communication became such a big and influential thing. Usenet which actually goes back to the 80s could be pretty cool though.0
Literally WHO DOESN'T?
>>86
I don't know about the 80's but the late 90's usenet felt stiff and neckbeard-y for a teenager (the then-equivalent for a zoomer). You had almost the same content as if on a pseudonymous web forum with the problems you mention (which are easier to see now in retrospective), but with arcane system of posting and formatting conventions on top of that. A lot of nerds posted with real names, proud of that as like it was an achievement and flamed each other to death, sometimes offline too. And then you had moderated groups, which were dying already as the admins had disappared in many cases and therefore it was entirely impossible to post there.
So I started a new hobby awhile back I created a new folder on my computer and started saving and collecting as much old internet material I could find. This is going to take a few years to complete because I have to dig under a lot of 2010s garbage to find what I am looking for because a lot of stuff has been lost overtime. I plan to release this folder at some point it contains stuff from the early 90s up until 2009.
>>90
It's not technically from the internet but you might check out archives like this. http://textfiles.com/bbs/
Also old FTP sites. This place lists a shitload of them. https://www.mmnt.net/
have any of you heard of heyuri?
Fuck off Kuz nobody cares about your shitty attempt at trying to create a imageboard similar to 4chan in the 2000s. If you're gonna do that at least do it right fix your broken buggy slow ass website and stop trying to bring zoomers to it as well because you're desperate for traffic.
>>93,94
Heyuri is nice, no need to give him so much grief over it
>>94
I think it'd be really sweet if he changed his imageboard to be similar to 4chan on June 21, 2004 actually
>>58
Probably noobs that at least semi-realize that the current internet is shit and desperately want something else.
javascript:show('options1599910673')>>20
We could just start anew with another section of the internet entirely, such as the gemini protocol, gopher again, matrix chat. If we can't reclaim this territory(which we can't with how much money there is in it), we can at least find a new home.
also faicking captcha
>>95
I love it but i dont like how the entire "old 4chan style culture" is spamming tomo and going overboard with the language by using words like "teH SuxORz!" every sentence. It feels forced. I also don't like how much they praise their admin, it feels like a circlejerk and it is annoying
That's because Kuz only allows people on his site who will suck his dick he cannot take any form of outside criticism. Whats funny is that the original Heyuri was ran by a zoomer born in 2002 who is not even old enough to remember the old chan culture and Kuz was a ban happy SJW mod on that site.
EKSKUSE ME HAF ANY OF YOU PERHAPS MAYBE HEARD OF THIS PLACE KNOWN AS HEYURI
>>99
Agreed, but I think moving to the darknet makes more sense. It aids the anonymous ethos and many corners of them already feel like the old net.
Who knows and who cares he was a faggot just like nigger Kuz they are both shitty people.
>>105
how is he a pedophile? if i remember correctly he was the one who immediately instated the ban on lolis. Also why are you so angry? Did he cross you?
>>103
All we really need to revive the "old internet" is to have participation. It doesn't matter what protocol it is, what the aesthetic of the website is, darknet or clearnet, we just need people to break away from social media and free hosting and content aggregators and start their own servers. What really made the "old internet" was the decentralized aspect, it wasn't 3-4 single platforms that everybody posted on, but everybody effectively had their own service on the internet.
Hosting is cheaper than ever. Domains are less than $10 a year, a little Raspberry pi server is about $40. Right now I run a web server, a gopher server, ftp, and email from my house.
>It feels forced.
It IS forced. No one actually types like that because they think l33t corruptions are so funny, they type like that because it makes them think that its some "old internet" revival and that they are oldfags because they talk to each other in that way. Its all a big LARP because they don't actually understand anything about the "old internet" or how to "revive" it. They try to cover this using superficial means, but it doesn't work.
>>108
It's funny and ironic how they act like the one thing they try not to be
I'm probably responsible for the majority of the l33tsp33k and old catchphrase abuse (among other things) over on The Site That Shall Not Be Advertised. I do it because A: it's fun, and makes a change from being the miserable faggot I'd previously become, B: I'm a member of the generation that abused it to death the first time around, and C: I'd rather the younger users there adopt that style of netspeak over the LOLcat and "doremi speak" garbage they were using before.
A chunk of the userbase is obviously on the younger side, but I don't really care. Virtually everyone on this side of the internet was once the "annoying kids on the internet" themselves, and I appreciate any level of enthusiasm shown towards an era I remember fondly. When I was younger I would always look up to the old guys; I loved hearing all their tales about the "old days" that I'd missed out on, and I would try to emulate their mannerisms to better "fit in"; so I can't hate young people doing the same thing 20 years later.
All I really want these days is an active, lighthearted, vaguely anime/otaku-oriented imageboard where the main goal is to have fun and entertain each other, as opposed to the usual enclaves of grouchy twenty-somethings taking themselves way too seriously, or masses of braindead retards seeing who can piss each other off the most. For better or for worse, and despite its flaws, that site is the closest thing I've found to my "ideal". I'll probably continue posting there until it either implodes (again), or I come across something better.
Behold: The angry oldfags are angry at people for existing
You don't even know where that phrase/meme comes from you're too young to be on here get the fuck out and an hero i hope pedobear rapes you.
I am so confused. 110 tries to have a lighthearted conversation, and then immediately insults the first person to respond. Twice. What is going on?
JEFF K discovered itt
have any of you chaps, perhaps, maybe heard of a strange place, which i dont think we have mentioned here before, its called.. what was it?.. ah yes, heyuri. sound familiar?
black penis
Unpopular opinion but it wasn't smartphones and big companies that killed the internet they were only part of the problem. It was actually all the people who acted like assholes on the internet back in the day and thought internet culture was about being a edgy racist sexist pedophile who bullied people with autism because they found it funny. These types of people ruined the fun for everyone else back in the day and are one of the big reasons why we have a no fun allowed internet nowadays.
>>125
I agree that old internet edginess was lame as fuck, but you're underselling the reality of corporate changes on the internet, you can't say they were only "part of the problem" when the problem you point to has nothing to do with that
y'all need to stop cumming your pants over a time gone by and move on lmao. all this does is give immature 30+ year olds an even more unwarranted sense of self importance.
The end of the "old internet" was enabled by none other than tech nerds themselves, who 'embraced' the web 2/3.0 stuff for so long that corporations had only to show up and buy their souls with the promise that they will improve everything by writing more code. They then summoned the "modern web" by themselves, often in free overtime and amidst their own chants praising the virtues of modern browsers. The old ie6 -compatible web was toothless in comparison.
On behalf of all lurking zoomer anons, I apologize for >>111. Please don't think he represents all of us.
>>134
No need to apologize for anything that triggers OP, it's hilarious.
Sheeeit I didn't even realize this T78JPCAK fella was OP
>>125
you sound autistic, and I as a racist sexist pedophile am here to bully you
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You don't belong here GTFO kid you're too young to remember the old internet also fuck off with the tripfagging nobody likes trip/namefags on any message board.
>>141
Nope you don't belong here anymore your time has passed. Be at peace. LOL.
i got internet for the first time yesterday, still getting new to this whole message board thing. Im literally 14 btw, whats up dudes!!
Someone reminded me the other day of how malicious popups used to be, and I don't miss that. Remember when popup blockers first became a thing?
Of course, the fucktards that make web coding added those newfangled popup things that you can't block these days, because they're dribbling shits, but at least the new ones don't spawn new windows in an infinite loop.
The internet in the 80s.
launching internet missiles at ur position while listening to the c&c soundtrac
people seem way more cynical humorless and sometimes malicious these days
>>157
Or were they always that way & you just noticed it?
http://living$tingy.blog$pot.com/2008/12/unwritten-social-contract.html?m=1
This is very true i think smartphones and social media are partly to blame for that as well as todays political culture as well. Back in 2005 the average normie was a lot more polite on the internet and it was a lot easier to make friends unlike today.
^the internet went to shit when you started using it
I beg to differ i started using it in the late 90s.
why chill so hard here
it s like you re hiding stuff
man
this is all too gay
holy shit
Check out myspace & tumblr. Yeah.
>>166
Our Digital Pasts Weren’t Supposed to Be Weaponized Like This
A recent firing at The Associated Press is the latest example of the way in which our digital pasts are never far from the present, despite what early internet evangelists thought.
By Kashmir Hill
May 29, 2021
The internet is a fossil machine. It preserves our thoughts, our political positions, our jokes, our photos, our triumphs and our mistakes in silicon amber, just waiting to be dug up. And that has led to a kind of modern sport: Find an outrageous piece of a person’s past that can be weaponized, put it on display for all to see and hope for the worst.
The most surprising thing, though, is that this is still happening.
The latest target of adversarial archaeologists is Emily Wilder, 22, who was fired by The Associated Press just three weeks into the job after the Stanford College Republicans surfaced her pro-Palestine activism and social media posts while in college. Though she was based in Arizona, her old posts caught the attention of national political figures from the right who amplified them, arguing that her views compromised her employer’s ability to accurately cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The A.P. contends that the firing was for social media conduct while Ms. Wilder worked for the media outlet, but it seemed to Ms. Wilder and her supporters that the incident was triggered by the years-old Facebook posts.
We’ve been living with social media — and its powers of preservation — for nearly two decades now, since Facebook came into existence in 2004 and gradually convinced a billion of us that it was a good idea to leave a digital trail online attached to our real names. This is a cycle so familiar that the progression from unearthed post to contrition or firing feels lockstep. It almost makes you forget that it wasn’t supposed to be this way. As more and more people documented their lives online, so that our whole selves, past and present, were visible, society was predicted to become more empathetic and forgiving. But instead the opposite has happened.
People were thinking about this a lot a decade ago. During an August 2010 interview, it was on the mind of Eric Schmidt, then the chairman of Google, the creator of the best fossil-digging equipment out there. Mr. Schmidt predicted, “apparently seriously,” according to The Wall Street Journal, that young people would change their names upon reaching adulthood in order to escape their digital pasts. The prediction was widely mocked for its impossibility.
The same month, another prominent data scientist, Jeff Jonas, offered a more utopian prediction: “I hope for a highly tolerant society in the future,” he wrote on a legal blog called Concurring Opinions. “A place where it is widely known I am four or five standard deviations off center, and despite such deviance, my personal and professional relationships carry on, unaffected.”
>>167
I remember this prediction because I cited it a decade ago when a 28-year-old woman had her Congressional campaign upended by a “scandal,” one that seems quaint by today’s standards but was a glimpse into our future. The woman who provided it was named, coincidentally, Krystal Ball.
Ms. Ball was running as a Democrat for a House seat in Virginia at the time; a conservative blog got its hands on decade-old photos from a post-college Christmas party, where Ms. Ball was dressed as a “naughty Santa” and her husband at the time was Rudolph with a red dildo for a nose. This sounds ridiculous, but the “raunchy party photos” fueled news stories across the world. I thought that what she was experiencing was notable for its limited shelf life: As more and more people got smartphones and flocked to apps like Instagram and Twitter that encouraged them to thoroughly document their lives and thoughts, this sort of shaming of people’s past selves would surely stop, because the throwing of stones would become hypocritical and dangerous.
Ms. Ball thought so too. She lost that long-ago Congressional race and is now a media commentator and the author of a book about the new political age. She said in a recent interview that she thought her so-called scandal would be a temporary blip before society adjusted and “that people would grow more accepting” of photos or problematic comments from the past.
“It’s the polar opposite,” she said. “It’s more reactionary and judgmental than it’s ever been.”
Why haven’t repeated calls to replace digital shaming with empathy and compassion resonated? Or at the very least, why hasn’t a fear of mutually assured destruction set in?
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“I think it’s because it’s worked, so partisan operatives and actors are going to continue to use the technique,” Ms. Ball said. “They ginned up this outrage to get Emily Wilder fired. And then they have the temerity to cry about ‘cancel culture.’”
That is the current phrase used by the political right to describe punishing people for “wrongthink.” According to Pew, a majority of Americans are now familiar with the term, but feelings are mixed about whether it’s beneficial, leading to a more accountable society, or a cruel form of punishment, willfully taking people’s actions out of context.
Part of the problem is how time itself has been warped by the internet. Everything moves faster than before. Accountability from an individual’s employer or affiliated institutions is expected immediately upon the unearthing of years-old content. Who you were a year ago, or five years ago, or decades ago, is flattened into who you are now. Time has collapsed and everything is in the present because it takes microseconds to pull it up online. There is little appreciation for context or personal evolution.
And it’s not just happening to journalists and politicians, whose jobs invite frequent public musings, but to high school students and business executives, because we are all now online so much of the time.
>>168
Some see the benefit in this shift. In the same Pew survey, of over 10,000 people, more than half approved of calling out people for their behavior on social media, saying it helps hold people accountable. “People look closer at their actions, forcing them to examine what they are doing, why they are doing it, and what are the consequences of said actions,” said one of the people surveyed.
Ms. Ball remains hopeful that things will change. “The reactionary culture is damaging and unhelpful and just really brutal for everybody involved,” she said. “A lot of our society wants to see ourselves as believing in forgiveness, believing in redemption, believing in the ability of people to learn and grow and get better.”
She pointed to the backlash against Ms. Wilder’s firing; dozens of staff members wrote an open letter to The A.P. expressing dismay.
“The less successful it is, the less that it works,” she said, “the less interest in it people are ultimately going to have.”
After a pause though, she added: “A lot of that comes down to how corporate H.R. departments handle themselves, which is not a great place to place your hopes.”
For Ms. Ball herself, the unearthing of her party pics, and resulting “scandal,” ultimately provided a professional boost. Cable news programs invited her on air to talk about it, and then, impressed at her performance, invited her back to comment on other political happenings, leading to her current role.
“I was very fortunate,” she said. “The only reason I ended up with a career in media was because of this attempted, like, cancellation.”
>>169
Kashmir Hill is a tech reporter based in New York. She writes about the unexpected and sometimes ominous ways technology is changing our lives, particularly when it comes to our privacy.
Internet always changes...
>>132
That made me visibly cringe, that's like reading "teh internets are WinRAR!!" but at least that's funny, the latter is just sad
insert phone modem noises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNaR6FRuO0
>>35
>>57
I'm a 1998 baby and lucked out in that my mom loved reading atheist forums on craigslist in like 2002 and was given a lot of autonomy for a toddler, so I had lots of early access to internet content. It ``helped'' that my shitty home situation got me a laptop in the third grade because I was moving so much. The unfortunate result of all this is a young and far too early introduction to imageboards. Now I'm here with you geriatrics, all because I started visiting this site that I viewed as a cultural continuation of /jp/ c.2010
I hate being a loser
The old internet was never that good. Stop looking at stuff through rose tinted glasses. You want to go back to the era of dial up where it took a week to download an image? Fuck that shit. What killed the old internet was that everybody began using it and using it all the god damn time. The average ugg boot wearing normie succubus spends most of her day browsing on her smartphone, browsing useless shit, texting her whore friends, or looking at truce crime videos so she knows which serial killer she wants to masturbate to next. And when ordinary society begins using the internet like a crack cocaine addict you need to dumb shit down to make it accessible and convenient, you’ve got to centralize and organize it, you’ve got to give it a slick presentation and let it feed their narcissism by allowing them to create stupid online profiles where they can showcase the mendacity of their preened and fake lives (or whatever passes as “life” these days). The result is a mass of brainwashed zombies, nothing more than organic bots that populate the entire internet spewing their hatred and whiny bitchiness.
>The old internet was never that good.
And then you proceed to explain why old internet was good and modern internet is bad?
>>170
Shame is such a utilized tool in human society. Imo the internet facilitates our worst behavior, no doubt shaming will be with us forever. A tolerant society is impossible.
>>57 Possibly the best troll in history right here.
>>75 I lurked 4chan for about 3-4 years before actually making a post in like 2012 dude. Coincidentally one of my first posts was a comment in the thread Adam Lanza posted on /b/ before he went Gamer Mode. They got me in the screenshot, too.
The only people nostalgic for those days are people who never lived through them.
>>181
The only people claiming this are people who never lived through them.
>>177
The old internet was shit, it was just less shit. back then the internet was like 60% good 40% trash while today its like 90% trash. its like a sewer, as long as there is balance between shit and water everything flows smoothly, but today there are so many normies and mindless zombies using crapping into the system we are reaching a critical mass of shit. still id rather not go back to the days of dial up internet.
>>183
Define good.
Majority of the old internet was boring, you had to find things like flash websites, photoshop image forums and especially imageboards via word of word of mouth or by getting lucky with google searches.
>>185
That's a part of what made it good. Only people who were interested would find your nichè, it keeps the "followers" away. Nowadays a hobby can be changed overnight simply by just some popular social media person on the internet getting into it and hundreds of thousands of people flocking to the hobby at the same time completely clueless of culture and permanently changing the hobby.
It was a natural form of gatekeeping that everything was hard to find.