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4165007 No.1841  

Post gifs of cool moves, talk about your favourite matches or wrestlers, thoughts on different styles of wrestling...

Personally I don't “follow” wrestling, but I'm fascinated by the art and history of the business. In particular I find interesting the impact the Internet and video games had on changing the industry from the 90s onwards. I'd say that's the cut-off and catalyst between “old” and “modern” wrestling. It changed both the audience participation in/reception of the product, and the mindset of new wrestlers coming into the profession.

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>In particular I find interesting the impact the Internet and video games had on changing the industry from the 90s onwards. I'd say that's the cut-off and catalyst between “old” and “modern” wrestling. It changed both the audience participation in/reception of the product, and the mindset of new wrestlers coming into the profession.

The audience participation and a lot of the "modern" aspects are because of the revolutionary cult known as ECW, the fans pretty much made it and those polemic, western chants pretty much became widespread from it. That promotion getting popular combined with the internet making fans much "smarter" in an insider way, I think is what changed the western culture massively. I also think the internet is overly blamed by older fans for their perceived downfall of the product and its mainstream popularity.
It also spread the "anything but WWE/WCW" attitude that you see often to this day and made people defend things like Hogan/Bischoff TNA like cultists. The mindset of new wrestlers is something I can't comment on.

>> No.1849  

ENOUGH with roll ups and disqualifications please ENOUGH

>> No.1851  

It started out kind of poopy, but then it got right. It's a good little extreme. I thought Punk was going to poop again, but even with his basic moves, Randy Orton was a sight to behold. (****)

>> No.1852  

Disgusting shit. I don't like CM Punk, but even I think pulling this kind of shit is inhumane. It's a sin to call it wrestling. CM Punk's long run was a fucking waste. Punk didn't want to try. Rock is physically incapable of wrestling because he's just a pile of steroid mass. Kicking, kicking, jackknifing, wallowing and lying down, cringe-worthy blackouts. And it all ends with a secondary finisher, or rather a "clown elbow kick to the lying opponent. " (-***)

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>>1847 Yeah, that's what I meant, the Internet opened the gates for a lot more smarks, and ECW was the perfect environment at the right time for that to happen. Not that there weren't smarks or “audience participation” before then, I didn't necessarily just mean the chants and stuff. I agree with you about the Internet taking all of the blame; the Attitude era wouldn't have happened without ECW being extreme first, but I think one should take into account the wider cultural climate of the time, along with grunge, extreme sports, South Park, Jerry Springer, things like that, everything was grittier and more “radical”. Some just put the blame solely on Vince Russo for taking it that way and thus causing everything bad about wrestling today, but I don't think it was just him.

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As for the mindset of wrestlers today, what I meant was how 30 years ago they maybe came from either a wrestling background and trained as a wrestler all their life, or they came from amateur wrestling, or football/hockey, or bodybuilding. While that is still the case for lots of them today, there seems to be a lot of geeky wrestlers who grew up playing WWF No Mercy and the Smackdown games etc, and this is reflected in the matches they put together. They learned all the moves from Create-A-Wrestler mode and they want to do them all - their matches are full of devastating moves and all kinds of death defying stunts, which they get right back up from, unhurt. It's impressive seeing these athletic feats but doesn't make for a good cohesive wrestling match.

>> No.1862  

Only Jericho and his swollen little belly could show such fucked up shit in the debut match of one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Just a fucking shame, poor, poor AJ got involved with the pesky company bug who wanted his belly button on every screen in the country. (*1/4)

>> No.1867  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4jDrjveDao&t=9s
the comments of this video show a lot of varying attitudes regarding the current product. It's kinda weird how these people want things to look real but ignore the current wave of hardcore actually being alive again with ICW NHB, H20, GCW, etc

>> No.1868  
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My top 5 favourite matches:

Necro Butcher vs Samoa joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMU5S9VHhJM

Mick Foley vs Randy Orton
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x151y2f

Vince McMahon and Shane McMahon vs Shawn Michaels & God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGIXGpxT2Wc
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xyalm0

Rey Mysterio vs Psicosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15XPMvv3hM

Minoru Suzuki vs Takuma Sano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V48LNGX96Xg

>> No.1885  
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Check out this cool move

>> No.1888  

Here's one of my favorites
Losing Team Must Split Up Six Sides Of Steel Cage Match
America's Most Wanted (Chris Harris & James Storm) vs. Triple X (Christopher Daniels & Primetime) - TNA Turning Point 2004
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2f2t9d
This one of the best tag team matches I have seen in my entire life.
>>1868
>Necro Butcher vs Samoa joe
This one was so brutal that it sort of turned me off to hardcore stuff.

>> No.1889  

>>1841
>Personally I don't “follow” wrestling
I also don't blame you. Internet fans at least, are some of the most negative fans of anything I have ever seen to the point where I wonder why some stick around and this is from someone who doesn't really watch the modern product often.
I think the dirtsheets being so easily accessible along with the fading popularity of it (even though the E still can set attendance records) has made an incredibly jaded fanbase.

>> No.1890  

Joe also grinned and bore it too much. He used to have an aura about him but TNA's bad writing by the end of his 2nd run kinda took any ability of the audience to take him serious

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>>1888 That was good, I hate handcuff spots but the hurricanrana off the top was crazy!

>Necro Butcher vs Samoa joe This one was so brutal that it sort of turned me off to hardcore stuff.
It's certainly brutal, it gave me nightmares for a while after I first saw it - the bits of his head dripping onto the floor aaaaaa XD

For me it was the opposite though. I remember hearing about CZW when I was younger, that they smashed glass and breezeblocks off each other, I thought that sounded really stupid. Later in life finding that Necro match, and discovering Cactus Jack before he was Mankind, then all the Tournament Of Death and King Of The Deathmatch stuff, kinda gave me a new appreciation in general for what wrestlers do. I have a weird admiration for these deathmatch guys bleeding almost to death for 20 people in some barn, passionate humans sacrificing their bodies for their art and to entertain the fans.

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>>1892
>I have a weird admiration for these deathmatch guys bleeding almost to death for 20 people in some barn
I get that. I even have been to a show like that but that's also sort of why I desperately miss ECW. A lot of wrestling is largely made by the crowd and some of these extreme wrestlers deserve more admiration and big crowd pops. That's why I like Goldberg even though he has very little actual wrestling ability.

Goldberg vs. Hulk Hogan - WCW World Title - Nitro 06/07/1998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF5LCyzf2nE
This is the other side of wrestling, the opening gives me chills

>> No.1898  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8dyVuQvv-I
They barely do anything here and the crowd is losing their shit, for fucks sake they got them to cheer for no-selling

>> No.1906  

I'm a fag so I like it but I dont get what straight dudes see in it.

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>>1906 I'm straight and I'll get on to the aspects that fascinate me later, but that general homoeroticism is in my mind sometimes when I watch matches. I'm watching and enjoying the technical skill of two expert wrestlers getting in and out of and reversing each other's holds, but at the same time I'm thinking, these big sweaty men groping each other all over, in any other context would be super gay. Think of the Undertaker, he chose to finish his matches with the Tombstone Piledriver or the Last Ride, both of which involve putting his face right into a sweaty gooch.

I watched this Pancrase match between Frank Shamrock and Minoru Suzuki the other day and thought it was great, but there are points where they're virtually 69ing, or using cock thrusts to get into better positions. At some points it seems like Suzuki's deliberately taunting him by humping him, getting Shamrock's face right into his balls and forcing him into sexual-looking situations and laughing about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmUIvHvezOA

This UFC fight stands out to me for a similar reason, they're pretty much humping on the floor for 40 minutes and a lot of people thought it was boring (they introduced a rule after this that the referee could make them get to their feet if the fight was getting too boring) but I thought it was really intense, just the concentration of them looking for their perfect spots and not making a mistake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDT44zT8JY

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>>1906
Because a lot of men find it cool/found it cool as a child and thus dissociate sexuality from it. Same for Rugby and tackle codes of football.

>> No.1931  

>>1923
I just like to see men's bodies rubbing against each other. That's the only appeal I have personally. Just find it kinda funny that straight guys can see past that. But I can respect the childhood memories. Never watched it myself but loved wrestling games on the n64.

>> No.1932  

>>1912
Also, damn, thanks for the links.

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We weren't allowed to watch wrestling at home because me and my brothers would copy the moves on each other. We also never had satellite TV so we only sometimes got to secretly watch Sunday Night Heat, but we played WWF Warzone, Attitude, and the first three Smackdown games to death. I learned all the move names

>> No.1953  
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Some people mistakenly call this the "Tope Con Hilo", because it was translated from the Spanish "Tope Con Giro" to Japanese then mistranslated to English in the games I think. I just thought that was quite funny

>> No.1954  

I think the split between "classic" and "modern" wrestling is slightly overstated. It feels like that at the beginning of every decade it's dramatically different than at the end. It also depends on the country the promotion is in, for example Britwres is much less football-like in atmosphere.

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>>1954 I think it depends on how you want to split it. It wasn't that long ago that a lot of people thought it was all real, but now everyone knows it's scripted. I think that's the key turning point, and I think it's fair to say a big part of that is due to the Internet reaching everyone's homes. That had a bigger effect than say, the end of the territory days when Vince Jr. took over the world. In terms of wrestling style, some regard the Dynamite Kid and Bret Hart as great innovators really changing the face of wrestling, influencing the way matches and finishes were put together after them. That and as mentioned earlier itt, the impact ECW had in introducing other styles of wrestling to American audiences.

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>>1954 I'd say wrestling video games have also had an impact, both on the style of wrestling and on wrestlers too, you can see in the likes of Kevin Owens, Kenny Omega, lots of guys on AEW, that they spent a lot of time growing up playing the games. You can see what older guys mean when they talk about how the young guys just do a bunch of moves to each other and the matches don't make much sense as stories, compared to how uhhh "proper" matches tell a story in the ring.

I think you can also see what the veterans mean when they talk about how soft the new generation of wrestlers are, but that maybe goes with my first point about changing audience attitudes. They don't need to convince them that they're really tough guys with real beef, so they think it's okay now to get silly in the ring and it's all a laugh. And there's people that like that and that's fair enough, but it turns away all the people who want to see "actual" wrestling. They'll say "oh, everyone knows it's fake, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, it's supposed to be entertainment" but I think that misses the point, creating the illusion of a serious exciting fight is part of the art of being a wrestler.

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>>1956
>You can see what older guys mean when they talk about how the young guys just do a bunch of moves to each other and the matches don't make much sense as stories, compared to how uhhh "proper" matches tell a story in the ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwXPNwKVL4I Is a good example of a "proper" match. Everything is told through ring psychology but aside from this it is a very dated match, less was more back then and I don't think it's ever going back to that.

I agree with what you're saying about changing attitudes and I think the "video game" crowd sees it more as an actual sport with the narrative being a minimal part of the enjoyment, and matches are seen as a routine/dance more than legitimate combat. Independent shows being stereotyped as having no angles at all isn't entirely without merit.
Old school fans tend to lean towards the drama/soap opera side. The most famous "big" matches from the old school like Hulk Hogan vs Andre are very limited in actual ring work. I think Lucha Underground, regardless of what you think of it, shows that you can combine the two. Hardcore/deathmatch fans are a strange gray area because what they like about the genre depends on who you ask.

This transition and how dramatically the business has changed is fascinating, I can't think of any other business "on-screen" that has changed as much in the last 30 years.

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>>1956
>>1957
Man, Dustin would do really shitty gimmicks as his career went on

>> No.1966  

boring

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>>1962 Goldust was my favourite when I was young, along with Kane and Mankind. But since my main impression of them was formed from the PS1 games (basically their entrance, moveset, costumes and voice catchphrases) I didn't know much about them other than that they were really weird. Especially that green bikini red-hair gimp look he had, I was like whaat?

>> No.1977  
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10-year-old me rubbing my nipples at the teachers

>> No.1978  
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Cut to shreds by the shards of my shattered dreams

>> No.1981  

Peg me liv

>> No.2014  
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When you and your brother pick the same character:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19bjb1

La Parka vs. LA Park for the right to use the name La Parka. LA Park (the bigger one with the shoulder pads and stripy legs) was the original La Parka, who left AAA in 1996 for WCW and became more famous in USA. AAA owned the trademark on his name and gave the gimmick to another guy. He just died last year, after diving out of a ring and hitting his head and being paralysed for months. The original La Parka is at MLW now

>> No.2015  

https://youtu.be/EZNw_KAhn_w
The best PPV

>> No.2030  
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PSYCHO CLOWN vs PAGANO | Mask vs hair match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ryJVHl5KV0
Pretty crazy

>> No.2040  

>>1868
>Necro
I sometimes wonder if something is broken in dudes like him. I know deathmatch wrestlers usually have few options, but, like, he let nobodies get too much offense in. Taking a potentially life-changing bump can be respectable but not as often as he did!
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81xasn
This is the first round, christ.

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>>2040 Yeah, that seems to often be the case from what I gather. There are two good documentaries about Sick Nick Mondo (Unscarred and The Trade) and it's talked about in them, about how for a lot of deathmatch wrestlers there is an aspect of self-harm and punishment from mental health issues. That's why I love the Necro Butcher, because he's happy to almost die for the entertainment of a few fans, he always seems to give it his all.

That's one of my favourite matches that you posted, the full version used to be on youtube but it doesn't seem to be there anymore...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcA2njtApjY amazing he's not dead

>> No.2054  

wtf Sick Nick Mondo is in Pro Evo 2017 and 2018!?
imdb com/name/nm1511783/

I'm going to try and find this imdb com/title/tt3526198/

(imdb links trigger spam filters?

>> No.2056  

>>2040 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1jt5JSG7V8

>> No.2067  
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How is it even physically possibly to move that fast???

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This was my initial introduction to Slavoj Žižek (I soon found out it was a spoof)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dskq_zMjHMM
Thanks clonepa!

>> No.2155  

Let's wrestle!

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What would your finishing move be >>2155 ?

>> No.2161  

https://youtu.be/yc6cIoDlbgA

>> No.2213  

Motherfucker admin, suck Corbin's cum-sucking dick. Slanderer, where did I insult wrestlers and promotions? Where's the trolling, son of a dog? Tell me how Will Ospreay made his WWE debut. To me what matters in wrestling is ring-skill and some mutually exclusive traits. I wish you a dick in your holey mouth. Motherfucker. The only thing that looks pathetic here is your moaning about how I devalued your beloved Jay White. I shake hands with Lesnar and Wyatt. Kissing Bliss, Morgan, Bayley, Ito, AJ Lee, Bayley tenderly on their belly button and tummy. Sucking on Miz's throat. Feeding turtle shit to Minora Suzuki. You kiss Jericho's belly button in the mimosa, I punch him in the stomach afterwards with all my might for his bastard matches. Becky Lynch will come back with a red belly, because I've been stuffing her abs. Think next time how to slander for nothing. My favorite promotions are PWG and Stardom, faggot. I'm a fan of spotfestes and joshu. You're a fucking psychology fanatic, motherfucker. Fuck you, you dumb fuck. I respected you, but now, you go fuck yourself animal. Goodbye, I won't be on this site anymore.

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Never seen these before, two sick Ric Flair vs Mick Foley matches, one in WWE and one in TNA
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3w68i9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx1xvUqVuNU

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SHININGU WIZAAAAAAAAARUDO!

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>> No.2264  

>>2261
Off-topic but women's football always looked way more brutal than men's

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>>2264 I actually got that gif from a post saying just that. ( wandrlustrr. tumblr /post/119471259969/can-we-talk-about-how-much-more-hardcore-womens My own feeling is that there are equivalents of all that in men's football and that post was from someone who hasn't watched much men's football, but then again I've hardly watched any football since the 90s - it seemed rougher then with less diving, and the millionaire cissy players today are part of why I lost interest I guess

Here's a nifty hip toss armbar thing to be on-topic

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>>2270
They always compare it with diving cunts though.
Gif related would have great selling skills! Im surprised WWE havent gotten him for a celebrity match at mania.

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>>2271 Hehe here's another good one

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Cool move with a cool name: the Cattle Mutilation
youtube.com /watch?v=mzyz424uvfg

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Look at the way he's bracing for the chop. Kingston's gotta have one of the hardest chops right now.

>> No.2304  

This whole video (the picture, the people and the low audio quality) and the comments are extremely DQN quality

>> No.2305  

>>2304
Due to spam filters, the card has been changed, please refer to >>663 in QUALITY VIDEOS, thank you.

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>>663 here is a A++ post too, for anyone who missed it I really recommend checking it out

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youtube .com/watch?v=q6XJ9_QD0qY Edited to just the hits

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I enjoyed this "Glass Crush" deathmatch between Jun Kasai and Masashi Takeda
youtube /watch?v=nVwY8eBwgL4

>> No.2355  

dailymotion .com/video/x3yx09j
dailymotion .com/video/x3yx0bu
One of my favorite ECW matches starts at 37:00 and is continued in the second video, that whole PPV is great, really.

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>>2355 Yeah that was really good! Taka Michinoku is the one I'm most familiar with there, because he was in WWF Attitude, but I know the great Sasuke too. That Thunder Fire Powerbomb looked painful



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