Books & Literature@4-ch

Books & Literature@4-ch

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基本的には英語の使用を強く希望します。ただ日本語板の場合は日本語か英語。
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1: "Writing is fifty years behind painting." (19) 2: [Applause]Everytime we finish a book we post here[Praise] (91) 3: [shortstories] Shortstories Online (14) 4: Should I let my personal politics affect whose books I buy? (16) 5: [Author] Mishima Yukio [Passive gay chauvinist] (8) 6: LOTR (10) 7: Good scifi thread (96) 8: Haruki Murakami (63) 9: Mystery Novels / Short Novels (6) 10: Audiobooks on Youtube? (1) 11: Was Philip K Dick right? (3) 12: story of O (5) 13: Return of the King - So what happens to Mouth Of Sauron after destruction of the ring? (3) 14: How you like your epubs? (5) 15: Places to get free books on the Web. (4) 16: japanese old boy (1) 17: The Fountainhead. Spoiler. (53) 18: Cat on the Table (1) 19: omniscient foresight network (2) 20: House Of Leaves [Book] [May contain spoilers] (3) 21: New Weird. (4) 22: Library.nu taken down [Academia] [RAGE] (18) 23: Avengers? (4) 24: Reasons why the Twilight series is an abomination in every sense of the word (55) 25: Ray Bradbury Dead! (4) 26: Should I get Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami? (4) 27: [Cao Cao]Romance of the Three Kingdoms[Liu Bei] (4) 28: What are you doing for you? (to university students) (16) 29: The Last Question (1) 30: what are some good to read? (5) 31: TAR (4) 32: NaNoWriMo writers, rejoice! (10) 33: Currently reading thread (12) 34: Books you started reading but just coun't get through. (63) 35: [Recommendations] Good fanfiction series [Fandom] (2) 36: [cyberculture] The tags say it all [recommend something] (2) 37: Trying to Find a Book (3) 38: Help Put My Novel, "A Burning Youth", In Print! (5) 39: GCSE English Concept (1) 40: [weaboo]The Asian Saga/The Noble House series (5)

"Writing is fifty years behind painting." (19)

1 Name: Artfag : 2010-09-27 12:18 ID:gr82mqjd

Prove me wrong.

10 Name: Bookworm : 2010-12-07 07:06 ID:zcrpoxle

>>8
Laws notwithstanding.

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14 Name: Bookworm : 2015-09-23 15:59 ID:7OhsyPXT

This is similar to talking about textboards vs imageboards

15 Name: Bookworm : 2015-11-26 14:51 ID:L5h8Da9J

... and humans were created by a flying spaghetti monster.
Prove me wrong!!

16 Name: Bookworm : 2016-02-21 04:17 ID:XFUkexwg

I am completely correct.
Prove me wrong.

17 Name: Bookworm : 2016-06-07 12:01 ID:JS+CdjLh

>>7
Video games do that and more.

18 Name: Bookworm : 2016-07-05 00:56 ID:2ccpFmXu

So books in the 2060s will be either totally indecipherable or commercial rot?

Western culture had a good run, I guess.

19 Name: Bookworm : 2016-07-25 18:13 ID:kiS4xuWQ

So... books in 50 years will be:

>Badoop
>fhgfhdhfdflhdglsadgfqwhuodghdzlfh
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA em em em DA!
>ping
>The end

I'm glad literature is still behind

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[Applause]Everytime we finish a book we post here[Praise] (91)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2008-06-11 06:20 ID:CwXuimoY

http://4-ch.net/games/kareha.pl/1206548566/
This is a nice thread. Let's have a book edition.

I just read my first book by Haruki Murakami, "The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle". Murakami gets a lot of praise in these parts, and after reading this book, I can confirm that it isn't unfounded. The book to me felt a bit weaker towards the end, but I really liked hearing the stories of Nomonhan, Siberia, and such.

82 Name: Bookworm : 2014-10-19 12:50 ID:IIVJ6/D1

The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason by Sam Harris

OM[Undefined], we get it. Christian/Islamic fundamentalism is awful. We know. This book seems to insist we can be "spiritual" without any god and that mostly involves Buddhism. Sure, whatever dude. The Buddha gets his oranges and incense as part of my personal superstition, and I live your dream or not, or whatever. In the meantime, my adopted gods have obviously acquired a taste for Clif Crunchy Peanut Butter Energy Bars in addition to their favorite bananas, as evidenced by my good fortune in traveling the South Pacific. Watch me fail to give a fuck and continue to leave offerings for the good of my wayward traveling companions who give their offerings to the wrong piles of rocks. I guess this might appeal to you if you have never once heard of an alternative worldview. Otherwise: atheism, yadda, yadda, yadda, the most-logical option.

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84 Name: Bookworm : 2014-10-19 21:39 ID:IIVJ6/D1

Sorry, I can't believe there's such a market for these books.

85 Name: Bookworm : 2014-11-02 07:47 ID:IIVJ6/D1

The Russia House by John le Carré

Imagine James Bond told from the perspective of his accountants. It's kind of like that. Except imagine that the James Bond in question fell into spying after his career in banking fell through. Not sure why this was forced on me, but hey, it offers some highly fictionalized accounts of the everyday early Perestroika-era Soviet lifestyle and I dig that for some reason. An entirely bureaucratic spy novel.

86 Name: Bookworm : 2014-11-02 08:08 ID:IIVJ6/D1

The Vast Unknown by Broughton Coburn

It's about the first American expedition to the summit of Mount Everest. After having been beaten in the race to #1 in nearly everyone else by 1963, Americans seek to play catch up in mountaineering too. Notable for a few technical firsts, the expedition was otherwise routine, including the death of one member. As far as these books go, it's OK. The best part is mention of the Camel cigarettes tie-in promotion. Oh, 1963, you so silly.

87 Name: Bookworm : 2014-11-02 09:11 ID:IIVJ6/D1

The Greenlanders by Jane Smiley

Difficult to read if only because everyone has a difficult name. Gives a highly-fictionalized account of the many trials of the Norse Greenlanders in a style sort-of reminiscent of the sagas. Greenlanders were the hardest of Viking remnants, who managed to eke out an existence through primitive pastoralism in the worst theoretically-habitable place on earth. They did this for close to five hundred (miserable) years. They died out due to isolation, climate change, and invasion on two fronts. Take note, Western World! Or read about Rapa Nui, I guess.

Otherwise, cherish hilarious (in the Icelandic-sense, so not particularly) tales of St. Olaf the Greenlander and the various drawn-out stories of so-and-so's-dottir living a full and detailed life before suddenly dying by falling through thin ice while seeking out her lost sheep. If you're into misery porn, you might as well learn something from it! Read it!

88 Name: Bookworm : 2014-11-09 10:32 ID:IIVJ6/D1

The World Without Us by Alan Weisman

Taken from a series of magazine articles, it sure has that feel to it. Interesting stuff, most of which is plastic is bad, m'kay. If you deny the human influence on climate change, then buy six copies, have them delivered overnight air, burn them, read it on your good iPad and have a good laugh. Otherwise, it might make you a little nervous about the future.

89 Name: Bookworm : 2016-04-02 06:30 ID:IIVJ6/D1

Empty Mansions: The Mysterious Life of Huguette Clark and the Spending of a Great American Fortune. by Bill Dedman and Paul Clark Newell, Jr.

Las Vegas is in Clark County, Nevada. This story is about Hugette Clark. The woman inherited something like $300M, when that kind of money was a lot more than a Powerball prize. She used her fortune to live as a recluse in a New York apartment for thirty years and thirty+ more in a hospital room. All this while she owned sizable estates on the Santa Barbara and Delaware coasts that she hadn't visited in sixty years. Purely from an accounting perspective, this is a lot of fun!

90 Name: Bookworm : 2016-04-28 00:37 ID:uK1l8L95

Man I need to start reading again

91 Name: Bookworm : 2016-07-05 01:09 ID:IaD7nxEl

The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo



A Japanese woman obsessed with throwing things out and organizing (she admits to reading home magazines from age 5 for tips) tells you that you will be happier if you do the same. Essentially, you are to go through all of your possessions, hold eat item in your hands, and if it doesn't "spark joy," discard it. Gets wierder as you go along; at one point she advises people to thank things for their service as they are discarded. Heretical animism aside, she has a decent method. It won't change your life, but I was motivated to get rid of some things.
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[shortstories] Shortstories Online (14)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-04 00:11 ID:pnLGppJR

ITT we post links to short stories by notable authors that are available online.

I'll kick this off with "Super-Frog Saves Tokyo" by Haruki Murakami
http://www.geocities.jp/yoshio_osakabe/Haruki/Books/Super-Frog.html

ps. request borges if you have any

5 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-04 21:02 ID:Heaven

>>4
Maybe he's thinking of Takashi Murakami? Different guy.

6 Name: 2 : 2006-01-05 20:39 ID:Heaven

>>5
I'm thinking of Haruki Murakami.
>>4
Haruki Murakami = no.

7 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-05 22:59 ID:Heaven

>>6
Your terseness is puzzling; explain.

8 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-13 23:18 ID:TJB4q+tj

age for explanation about >>2

9 Name: 2 : 2006-01-17 08:43 ID:Heaven

>>7-8
http://4-ch.net/book/kareha.pl/1133796016/8-10
Repeat after me:
Haruki Murakami is a no.

10 Name: 2 : 2006-01-17 09:06 ID:Heaven

I tried to nip the presence of Murakami here in the bud, but obviously failed.
My conjecture that the presence of Haruki Murakami will invariably ruin everything was proven by http://4-ch.net/book/kareha.pl/1133909234/42. It took only one link to a Murakami story to achieve this.
Thanks.

11 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-18 02:27 ID:Heaven

>>9-10
For fuck's sake, dude, just stop speaking in riddles and tell us why the fuck you hate the Murakami guy. I'm sure the problem would go away if you just stopped being an abstruse asshole and told us what your stupid problem is!

12 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-20 05:56 ID:Heaven

Yeah, just saying "no" doesn't convince anyone. Actually, it makes me want to like Haruki Murakami. The superfrog story at >>1 was entertaining.

13 Name: Bookworm : 2006-02-04 04:07 ID:Heaven

>>10 failed.

By being circumscribed you manage to make the thread damn near all about this guy, whereas I don't think people would have cared to much otherwise.

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Should I let my personal politics affect whose books I buy? (16)

1 Name: German Bookworm : 2011-03-21 17:52 ID:ScStXWjs

So, um, where to begin? A while ago some Google ads next to a GMail conversation about my reading material (mostly about David Weber and other Baen Books authors) led me to a site advertising a German alternative-history series of military SF called "Kaiserfront 1949". The basic premise is that Germany narrowly won WWI against France and is a major world power with its own military alliance by the year 1949 (WWII did not happen, nor did the Nazi regime or the Weimar republic - the Kaiser is still in power). It is also the only country owning nuclear weapons and wants to keep it that way. The publisher's site provides the first book as a free PDF download, so that's all I've read so far.

Apparently these books aren't self-contained stories, they literally end with a German "to be continued". What I read was not too awful, but a bit boring. The author seems to have decided that German technology roolz, all other tech droolz, so German planes can often simply fly above the maximum range of their enemies, German tanks are unharmed by a direct hit from a Russian shell, but fire one shot at the Russian from the same range and the tank is reduced to molten metal, etc etc. What did annoy me a bit was the way almost all German soldiers were portrayed as honorable people, whereas the Americans like torturing their prisoners, the British lack any troop morale, and the Russians love attacking without any formal declaration of war.

When I looked at the publisher's other offerings, it quickly became apparent that their books are largely aimed at the German-speaking right-wing xenophobe market. One novel set in the mid-21st century, for example, depicts Europe as firmly under the yoke of Islamic oppressors, who have instituted sharia law everywhere but the Vatican, with just a few valiant Germans to resist them.

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7 Name: pirate : 2014-10-13 06:34 ID:70DFju8V

Don't buy the books. Try to find somewhere that they can be downloaded for free. If your library has them read them there.

8 Name: Bookworm : 2014-10-18 12:46 ID:AxfZSp6x

Or buy them used?

9 Name: Bookworm : 2014-12-12 18:20 ID:RXsT0gDB

Never. Exposing yourself to opposite yourself would be one of the best things a person can do for yourself.

10 Name: Bookworm : 2014-12-15 08:55 ID:Gu67V/kT

anyone know where i can download lewis 'scooter' libby's "the apprentice" for free? i don't want to give him any money for it but am afraid if i get it used the pages will all be stuck together with old semen

11 Name: Bookworm : 2014-12-27 18:23 ID:+JbvY8Ye

>>9
I was drunk when I wrote this. I'm sorry.
What I mean is exposing yourself to opposing ideologies is one of the best things you can do for yourself.

12 Name: Bookworm : 2014-12-27 21:07 ID:xvRcR8YR

>>11 Of course.

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[Author] Mishima Yukio [Passive gay chauvinist] (8)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2005-12-14 21:45 ID:BAJldss0

Anyone here read and enjoy Mishima Yukio's books and for that matter, plays?

I do. I've read The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea twice, and am attempting to slog through Forbidden Colours.

I like his descriptive and insightful style -- even in the more sailor-story-esque parts of The Sailor..., I found myself enjoying how he linked sailing and the sea to male sexuality and masculine feelings. I have a soft spot for his sexism, too, especially in Forbidden Colours, where a young gay man who loathes women joins forces with another, older hetrosexual man who seeks to destroy those women who have 'wronged' him. Very romantic, in a destructive kind of way.

2 Name: Bookworm : 2005-12-20 21:58 ID:Heaven

2GET

3 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-10 20:00 ID:82AK7mjc

I still consider "Onnagata" to be one of his best short stories. The unspoken of shock of it's main charakter at the end, when he realizes that he is competeting for the attention of a crossdresser with another man is deliciouse.

But, as I've read very little appart from his short stories and Book two and three of the "sea of fertility" I'd like to ask if his other romans have such outstanding endings too?

I've read parts of one of his No-plays, the one with the drawer. It was interessting and new, but not as beautifuly heart-wrenching as Zeamis tales of samurai ghosts.

4 Name: Newoz : 2007-01-18 23:24 ID:Heaven

I have read Mishima's first book, Confessions of a Mask.
Possibly one of the best pieces of literature I have ever read o_o

Extremely dark, twisted, scary and awe-inspiring.
When it first came out, people were shocked by the strange characters (people thought it was a short novel, back then), plot and descriptions. A few decades later, someone asked if the first book he made was autobiographycal. He said yes. And the public was 100000 times more shocked. Anyway, this book kind of describes a part of Mishima's obscure nature: unique and hurt.

I read a translated version from a translated version from the original japanese book, so some of the awesome metaphors and comparisons are kind of faded or strange ._.

5 Name: Bookworm : 2007-11-06 05:39 ID:D1Ly1rYr

Thread necromancy!

I've read Spring Snow twice now and it's one of my favorite books. Tragic love story at its finest. This book taught me that indecisiveness and too much pride will fuck you up.

6 Name: Bookworm : 2007-11-07 01:33 ID:Heaven

I've only read his short story "Patriotism," which was quite interesting. Thanks to >>4's commendation, I think I'll look up some of his other works.

7 Name: Bookworm : 2015-09-06 18:12 ID:3MVnOCJ1

I recently got Young Samurai: Bodybuilders of Japan, a Tamotsu Yato photography collection Mishima writes the introduction for. I look forward to reading the books mentioned in this thread.

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LOTR (10)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2014-03-27 04:56 ID:T+AmmFo7

Best. Series. Ever.

Am I wrong?

2 Name: Bookworm : 2014-03-29 09:38 ID:YxgX+VeD

It was alright, I don't remember much of it, the last time I read it was when I was in elementary school I think. I recently reread the Hobbit and that was pretty good though.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2014-04-04 16:36 ID:4s39pJkD

>>2
I read it first in elementary school, then I reread it last year and realized how fucking awesome it actually is.

4 Name: Bookworm : 2014-05-10 02:23 ID:j6lGrkhW

Rereading the series. Just finished the second book. Agree with >>3.

5 Name: cockjizz : 2015-05-07 21:57 ID:U1Zx0DHz

>>1

Yes you are wrong. It was good, but definitely not the best. Still, it's a matter of opinion.

6 Name: cockjizz : 2015-05-07 21:57 ID:U1Zx0DHz

>>1

Yes you are wrong. It was good, but definitely not the best. Still, it's a matter of opinion.

7 Name: Bookworm : 2015-06-18 23:46 ID:EP43V4eR

I read The Hobbit and then LOTR when I was a teenager in the 80's. Some parts of the trilogy were really slow-going, and I didn't fully grasp everything, but still enjoyed it a lot. The Hobbit was completely enchanting, and I couldn't put that book down. I'd stay up late through the night to read it, over and over again.

But I also greatly enjoyed stories by Robert E. Howard (Kull, Conan), Moorcock (Hawkmoon, Elric), Lovecraft, various other pulp-era stuff that was later compiled into book format, and last but not least, the great Jules Verne.

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Good scifi thread (96)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2006-01-31 02:40 ID:iCCThARF

Well?

87 Name: Bookworm : 2015-05-05 16:36 ID:22JcR2tb

The Ender Quartet. Ender's Game is meh, but the other three are FANTASTIC. Read it, it is not shoot n' toot sci-fi, it's actual quality literature, it's beautiful.

88 Name: Bookworm : 2015-05-31 20:09 ID:AAyIZPaA

>>87
Isn't that a series about a boy who kicks other naked boys in the balls and kills them?

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91 Name: Bookworm : 2015-06-19 00:26 ID:+OacWUQL

What are some good "generation ship" SF novels? I'm trying to find a book I read decades ago, but don't remember the author or title. I don't even remember anything about the story! Just that it was pretty good (hey I was barely a teenager, give me a break!)

Anyway my favorite SF stories:

The Time Machine (H.G.Wells)
A Wrinkle in Time (M.L'Engle)
Alien (A.D.Foster) - I read this first before seeing the movie
Rendez-vous with Rama (A.C.Clarke)
From the Earth to the Moon (J.Verne)
Snow Crash (N.Stephenson)

92 Name: Bookworm : 2015-08-13 00:28 ID:buNgkBtJ

>>91
Wolfe's "Book of the Long Sun" might count.

Pretty much everything I've read by Wolfe that's science fiction should count for this thread. "The Death of Dr. Island" was one of the most enjoyable reads I've had in a long time. Some of his stuff (e.g. "Tracking Song") is frustratingly opaque, however. Sometimes I finish one of his stories and feel as though I have just witnessed a master craftsman deliver the punchline to a fantastic joke I didn't realize was being told. This feeling is heightened by the fact that he has a reputation for doing this sort of thing (e.g. "Fifth Head of Cerberus", although he shoves many of that one's highlights in the reader's face).

Following the line of generation ships (although this one is a severe stretch of the term), Frank Herbert's "Destination: Void" has one of the coolest moments of any novel I've encountered (provided you don't spoil yourself). His non-Dune stuff, while completely eclipsed, is still worth a read, especially if you're looking for what comes between western science fiction's 1950s "robots and laser guns and babes with skin-tight space suits" and 1970s "let's take copious amounts of drugs and write metaphors for the human condition".

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96 Name: Bookworm : 2015-11-12 18:25 ID:Heaven

>>88
The first book contains a scene of that, and very much follows the idea ‘Children fight dirty’. The remaining books of the series, however, take place after a timeskip, and just happen to share the characters and setting.

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Haruki Murakami (63)

1 Name: Haruki Murakami : 2006-02-15 14:37 ID:Rn2srQyI

Did you know that there is a story by Haruki Murakami in this week's New Yorker? (feb. 13-20)
I won't spoil it for you, but I can see how someone would hate him now!

54 Name: Bookworm : 2011-03-29 05:39 ID:BH7BQ/bt

>>53
I'm Japanese.
I think some sort of thing that represents the national anthem is going away nationally. We Japanese people can imagine that scene easily because that was everyday routine before. Maybe it had been true roughly, even Murakami remade it a little.

55 Name: Bookworm : 2011-07-29 10:55 ID:lTFQt2jr

I personally love Murakami, he is probably one of my favourite authors. I've read most of his books and am looking for similar authors. So far on my list of books to read are:
Hotel Iris
The Crimson Labyrinth
Salmonella Men on Planet Porno

If you can recommend any others, please do!

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57 Name: Bookworm : 2011-09-04 04:09 ID:fMcV2qJv

>>55

>Hotel Iris
>If you can recommend any others, please do!

Also by Yoko Ogawa: The Diving Pool. A must-read.

58 Name: Bookworm : 2011-12-16 21:11 ID:Heaven

>>52
Metamorphosis was totally metaphors and shit. I personally feel it was about the inhumanity of living your life exclusively for work. But I had a Lit teacher who made a pretty compelling argument about how Gregor Samsa wants to fuck his sister.

59 Name: Helpful : 2011-12-20 21:48 ID:hpNndP6b

Anybody read 1Q84 yet?

60 Name: Bookworm : 2011-12-21 17:41 ID:6ETfqlrB

>>59 currently in the christmas gift list

61 Name: Bookworm : 2011-12-28 22:34 ID:T/oyU0eX

Maybe I'll read some of these books. I got a nice new nook for Christmas so ebooks are a bit more pleasant to read.

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63 Name: Bookworm : 2014-10-11 10:21 ID:cqZXz8je

>>59
I was really really disappointed

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Mystery Novels / Short Novels (6)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2009-10-29 07:23 ID:rGH0FZU/

Thriller / Mystery / Suspense

It's probably my favorite genre next to science fiction and I was wondering if anyone knew of any good books that are easy to get (@ Barnes and Noble, Borders or something of the sort; nothing out of print).

I'm currently reading "Out" by Natsuo Kirino and I finished the translated Short Novels by Nisioisin "Zaregoto" and "Death Note: BB Murders"

Note: It doesn't have to be translated Japanese novels, it just so happens those are the most recent books that I have read because a friend recommended them.

2 Name: Bookworm : 2009-11-18 20:14 ID:tlDMOLmg

Sherlock Holmes, I'm not even kidding they're fucking good. Start with "A Study in Scarlet", it's the first one.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2009-11-20 06:55 ID:IGwTaKWG

What about agatha christie?

4 Name: Bookworm : 2009-12-09 00:12 ID:DzaJvEX2

Edgar Allan Poe
HP Lovecraft

5 Name: Bookworm : 2014-09-06 00:33 ID:FJU3DcYf

Perry Mason novels are great. Especially if you like "Phoenix Wright" games.

6 Name: Bookworm : 2015-08-13 00:59 ID:Heaven

For unadulterated noir, Dashiell Hammett and Raymond Chandler are damn fun to read.

For solid, interesting mysteries, I don't think the Nero Wolfe stories can be beat. All the right lessons were taken from Holmes, and without the somewhat strained "and then there was A VERY MYSTERIOUS THING THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A CLUE" of other famous authors. Even without the mysteries, though, I'd read the stories simply for the interaction of the primary cast and the atmosphere. I cannot recommend these highly enough.

I guess these fall under the category of mysteries as well (although they would as easily fit parody, fantasy, and science fiction), but Randall Garrett's stories of Lord Darcy are top-notch. His alternate universe (magic was scientifically studied, electricity wasn't) is good, the actual mysteries are good, when he's lampooning something and you understand it, it's very good.

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Audiobooks on Youtube? (1)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2014-08-17 14:14 ID:i/ufCnUJ

Trainspotting - Irvine Welsh: http://youtu.be/tzWPj6X081o

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