Do you miss the internet of the 90s and the 2000s?
IRC isn't that dead. There are still plenty of active channels around. That being said, they are mostly full of old schizophrenics.
Probably not too different from fediverse in that regard, really.
>>33
that "weak connection" between irl and the net is key. That's what defined the old internet of the 90s and 2000s for me. What i experienced online during that time had very little consequence in the real world. And that era is never coming back. In fact its moving at hyper velocity the other way. We will soon be in a world where your real identity is tied to your online identity EVERYWHERE you go
That is too young to remember the old internet the late 90s zoomers were the last generation to see the old internet if you were born after 1999 you're too young to remember it.
Internet ages as they ended.
Ancient internet (1993) -----> Old internet (2001)*? -----> Mid internet (2007) -----> New Internet (2014) -----> Hell
The 2005-2008 era was the last good era of the internet and the last era where there was actually a disconnect between the internet and real life and you could actually log off the internet completely. When smartphones started becoming more common and affordable around 2009/2010 that was when everything started going downhill and people who didn't know how to use a computer now had access to the internet and by 2012 the old internet was dead.
>>35
That is strange. I'm only five years older but my memories extend way beyond 2007 (the analogous time window for me). My earliest memories of the internet are from 1999. I think Old Internet stopped being Old Internet for me around 2004 when I noticed that websites were completely different.
I do miss the older protocols. That shit was just about dead by the time I was old enough to use a computer, but they were still alive in recent memory at the time for me to experience them. I remember seeing Gopher links in 2001 and so on. I barely understood the purpose of FTP but I did go to FTP sites because I liked to look at folders and files online.
>I think Old Internet stopped being Old Internet for me around 2004
I think that was when the golden age ended and the climax of the final good days were 2005-Early 2010.
What was the beginning of "Web 2.0"?
>>49 What was it though? Is there something that can be pointed at like, that was the start of the chapter?
>>50
From a technical point of view, dynamically modifying webpages based on a server-side application's response to user input was made possible by the XMLHttpRequest JavaScript API, which was implemented started in mid-1999 in IE and late 2000 in Mozilla (though in both browsers it wasn't particularly mature until roughly 2002, and not a completely formal specification until 2006.)
"Web 2.0" as a term also was popularized by a conference in 2004 though it first appeared in someone's article describing the future of the internet in 1999.
I think the first widely used Web 2.0 application was Gmail in 2004 followed by Google Maps in 2005. There were earlier websites that made use of dynamic webpages but none became all that popular, or survived for very long (except for Microsoft's shit.)
fuck i want the old internet back so badly i don't even know how to browse for cool webpages anymore since the net is so centralized to huge websites now
i thought things were officially dead 2012 onwards what even happened in 2012 that caused the internet to be completely done for.
>>53
gangnam style hitting 1 bn views on youtube and being in everyones mouth; the signal that a critical mass of "normal people" were now on the internet
>>35
prob gonna get underageb& for saying this but Anon here was two years old in 2008. I barely knew how to use a computer in 2012, let alone browse things such as image and discussion boards(though considering the type of kid I was at that age and a few years down the line that was probably for the absolute best), though I have always had a bit of deep regret for not chinning up and browsing 4chan before the post-moot era instead of brushing it off as the website the news said was for nazis, so I could have gone down the net culture rabbit hole while it was still even a relic of its past. Even if I wasn't here for the best of our days, I'm still glad to be here with the oldfags to spread their wisdom from the times I was in diapers.
Stay cool, Channel4.
You're a fucking retard get the fuck out of here you're too young to remember the old internet and don't belong here anyone born after the late 90s is not old enough to remember the old internet or even 2000s pop culture as well i don't know why but there seems to be a tendency from people in their late teens and early twenties to be fascinated with the era they were alive in but too young to really experience.
Get the fuck out little kid you don't know shit about old internet culture you're a social media baby.
>>57
Lol this kid spending his time in a nursery home instead of playing football or fornite with his schoolmates.
I never pretended to; I even said in my post "even a relic of its past," as minuscule as any relic of the 90's and early 00's may have been at the time(if it even existed at all, which according to the general consensus of the thread wasn't the case, sorry). I know that 4chan culture isn't the whole internet, otherwise I wouldn't even be here. Read my post before replying.
>>48-51
I think the terms are a bit nebulous and depend on who you ask. Some people think HTML webpages with cgi-bin scripts are the beginning of web 2.0, and those sites date back to the late 90s. I think for most people though, web 2.0 is a design philosophy. The era of round corners, gradients, icons, user interaction, and so on. Social media is probably the biggest delineating point, but then again, blogs and forums and 2ch style BBSes fall into that category as well.
It's just one of those things that you know when you see it. The details are a bit murky though.
Is "Web 2.0" even an accurate term anymore? Considering how the web seems to have moved on from open APIs to walled garden social media stuff (and phone apps) as well as the trend towards fewer gigantic sites, should we maybe have a new term for it?
>The era of round corners, gradients, icons, user interaction, and so on.
Yeah, for me Web 2.0 is a design philosophy. When websites switched to html with basic colors, backgrounds, gifs, and fonts to everything having to fit in a circle or have round corners. I miss browsers having everything default to a inset/outset border and text looking all pixelated.
>>68
I have heard the numbers go all the way up to Web 5.0 at this point. In some sense we're showing our age by speaking exclusively of 2.0. Though frankly, 3.0 and beyond never were as popular in the discourse and not many people really care to distinguish. Old vs New is good enough for most people.
im new here. idk what to do
Lurk more lurk for months or years if you don't know about old internet culture especially textboards do some research.
>>74
Years? Is this a language? Why would someone lurk for YEARS?
It helps you not look like a dumbass and eventually fit in.
Heh, don't mind me. Just browsing the ol' Chill-web.
I assume you just want to me redirect to the board so people can see the bump you just made in the speech bubbles thread, but for any real newcomers out there looking for pointers:
https://4-ch.net/ascii/ AA Bar
http://aachan.sageru.org SJIS collections
>>51,67 Cheers. Yeah it was the technical perspective I was interested in. I know the difference from a design perspective as you guys mentioned, and I remember the general atmosphere of the Net changing from "1.0" to "2.0" I just wondered if there was a particular turning point that stood out, or a certain technological advancement that allowed the design philosophy to proliferate. So thanks!
>>68,71 Hmm, really? That's mental
Pseudonymous forums and such were actually hella lame. The way most people heard of them was through some kind of magazine, they were usually a cliqueish circlejerk of people with similar subcultural/retardcultural affinities. Which were heavily moderated by the host himself and gatekept to keep a bunch of losers in an autistic bubble. It is why anonymous communication became such a big and influential thing. Usenet which actually goes back to the 80s could be pretty cool though.0
Literally WHO DOESN'T?
>>86
I don't know about the 80's but the late 90's usenet felt stiff and neckbeard-y for a teenager (the then-equivalent for a zoomer). You had almost the same content as if on a pseudonymous web forum with the problems you mention (which are easier to see now in retrospective), but with arcane system of posting and formatting conventions on top of that. A lot of nerds posted with real names, proud of that as like it was an achievement and flamed each other to death, sometimes offline too. And then you had moderated groups, which were dying already as the admins had disappared in many cases and therefore it was entirely impossible to post there.
So I started a new hobby awhile back I created a new folder on my computer and started saving and collecting as much old internet material I could find. This is going to take a few years to complete because I have to dig under a lot of 2010s garbage to find what I am looking for because a lot of stuff has been lost overtime. I plan to release this folder at some point it contains stuff from the early 90s up until 2009.
>>90
It's not technically from the internet but you might check out archives like this. http://textfiles.com/bbs/
Also old FTP sites. This place lists a shitload of them. https://www.mmnt.net/
have any of you heard of heyuri?
Fuck off Kuz nobody cares about your shitty attempt at trying to create a imageboard similar to 4chan in the 2000s. If you're gonna do that at least do it right fix your broken buggy slow ass website and stop trying to bring zoomers to it as well because you're desperate for traffic.
>>93,94
Heyuri is nice, no need to give him so much grief over it
>>94
I think it'd be really sweet if he changed his imageboard to be similar to 4chan on June 21, 2004 actually
>>58
Probably noobs that at least semi-realize that the current internet is shit and desperately want something else.
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We could just start anew with another section of the internet entirely, such as the gemini protocol, gopher again, matrix chat. If we can't reclaim this territory(which we can't with how much money there is in it), we can at least find a new home.
also faicking captcha
>>95
I love it but i dont like how the entire "old 4chan style culture" is spamming tomo and going overboard with the language by using words like "teH SuxORz!" every sentence. It feels forced. I also don't like how much they praise their admin, it feels like a circlejerk and it is annoying
That's because Kuz only allows people on his site who will suck his dick he cannot take any form of outside criticism. Whats funny is that the original Heyuri was ran by a zoomer born in 2002 who is not even old enough to remember the old chan culture and Kuz was a ban happy SJW mod on that site.
EKSKUSE ME HAF ANY OF YOU PERHAPS MAYBE HEARD OF THIS PLACE KNOWN AS HEYURI
>>99
Agreed, but I think moving to the darknet makes more sense. It aids the anonymous ethos and many corners of them already feel like the old net.
Who knows and who cares he was a faggot just like nigger Kuz they are both shitty people.
>>105
how is he a pedophile? if i remember correctly he was the one who immediately instated the ban on lolis. Also why are you so angry? Did he cross you?
>>103
All we really need to revive the "old internet" is to have participation. It doesn't matter what protocol it is, what the aesthetic of the website is, darknet or clearnet, we just need people to break away from social media and free hosting and content aggregators and start their own servers. What really made the "old internet" was the decentralized aspect, it wasn't 3-4 single platforms that everybody posted on, but everybody effectively had their own service on the internet.
Hosting is cheaper than ever. Domains are less than $10 a year, a little Raspberry pi server is about $40. Right now I run a web server, a gopher server, ftp, and email from my house.
>It feels forced.
It IS forced. No one actually types like that because they think l33t corruptions are so funny, they type like that because it makes them think that its some "old internet" revival and that they are oldfags because they talk to each other in that way. Its all a big LARP because they don't actually understand anything about the "old internet" or how to "revive" it. They try to cover this using superficial means, but it doesn't work.
>>108
It's funny and ironic how they act like the one thing they try not to be
I'm probably responsible for the majority of the l33tsp33k and old catchphrase abuse (among other things) over on The Site That Shall Not Be Advertised. I do it because A: it's fun, and makes a change from being the miserable faggot I'd previously become, B: I'm a member of the generation that abused it to death the first time around, and C: I'd rather the younger users there adopt that style of netspeak over the LOLcat and "doremi speak" garbage they were using before.
A chunk of the userbase is obviously on the younger side, but I don't really care. Virtually everyone on this side of the internet was once the "annoying kids on the internet" themselves, and I appreciate any level of enthusiasm shown towards an era I remember fondly. When I was younger I would always look up to the old guys; I loved hearing all their tales about the "old days" that I'd missed out on, and I would try to emulate their mannerisms to better "fit in"; so I can't hate young people doing the same thing 20 years later.
All I really want these days is an active, lighthearted, vaguely anime/otaku-oriented imageboard where the main goal is to have fun and entertain each other, as opposed to the usual enclaves of grouchy twenty-somethings taking themselves way too seriously, or masses of braindead retards seeing who can piss each other off the most. For better or for worse, and despite its flaws, that site is the closest thing I've found to my "ideal". I'll probably continue posting there until it either implodes (again), or I come across something better.
Behold: The angry oldfags are angry at people for existing
You don't even know where that phrase/meme comes from you're too young to be on here get the fuck out and an hero i hope pedobear rapes you.
I am so confused. 110 tries to have a lighthearted conversation, and then immediately insults the first person to respond. Twice. What is going on?
JEFF K discovered itt
have any of you chaps, perhaps, maybe heard of a strange place, which i dont think we have mentioned here before, its called.. what was it?.. ah yes, heyuri. sound familiar?
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Unpopular opinion but it wasn't smartphones and big companies that killed the internet they were only part of the problem. It was actually all the people who acted like assholes on the internet back in the day and thought internet culture was about being a edgy racist sexist pedophile who bullied people with autism because they found it funny. These types of people ruined the fun for everyone else back in the day and are one of the big reasons why we have a no fun allowed internet nowadays.
>>125
I agree that old internet edginess was lame as fuck, but you're underselling the reality of corporate changes on the internet, you can't say they were only "part of the problem" when the problem you point to has nothing to do with that
y'all need to stop cumming your pants over a time gone by and move on lmao. all this does is give immature 30+ year olds an even more unwarranted sense of self importance.
The end of the "old internet" was enabled by none other than tech nerds themselves, who 'embraced' the web 2/3.0 stuff for so long that corporations had only to show up and buy their souls with the promise that they will improve everything by writing more code. They then summoned the "modern web" by themselves, often in free overtime and amidst their own chants praising the virtues of modern browsers. The old ie6 -compatible web was toothless in comparison.
On behalf of all lurking zoomer anons, I apologize for >>111. Please don't think he represents all of us.
>>134
No need to apologize for anything that triggers OP, it's hilarious.
Sheeeit I didn't even realize this T78JPCAK fella was OP