Muslims in the United States have proven themselves to be loyal to their country and politically moderate. But around the world, especially in Europe, Islam is increasingly viewed as a danger, and young Muslims as unpatriotic. Is this an appropriate bias in dangerous times, or is it bigotry? And what makes the United States different?

>>126

The "they" you are attacking and advocating bombing to all hell are not the same "they" that started a war with us. That "they" is chillin out in northern pakistan and we are not attacking them. we left afghanistan to go to iraq while the Taliban (who did harbor al qaeda) has slowly retaken much of the country. Meanwhile, Pakistan says we are not allowed to send US troops to search for Bin laden. Ya, we really went after the right "they"....

As for japan's suicide bomber vs arab ones, the main difference is that in WW2, we were able to attack their "god" directly. The japanese Emperor was believed to b a living god but, in reality, was just a human being who could be intimidated. We also had the advantage of being able to attack their homeland

With the muslim extremists we can't do that. Point for me on the map where you see Allah's front door. please. ill wait... YOU CAN"T. The muslim god is imaginary (unlike the the phoney the japs had). you can't cow their imaginary friend into surrender by threatening to annihilate his land. These extremists also don't have a country for you to destroy. In their own apocalypse story, their holy lands are "destroyed by fire" so you would only play into their superstition that there is a holy war. and that would start world war 3. Its just stupid. There are 2 ways to handle these idiots who claim to "speak" for all the muslims of the world (pro tip: they don't!)

1. Get another Saddam Hussein. He was a needed evil that allowed us to do just what you claimed you wanted to do: ignore these people. He was our scape goat and he did all the dirty work to keep them in line. Why do you think every time al qaeda tried to get a foot hold in iraq, they couldn't. Despite being sunni, saddam told em to go fuck themselves because he liked his booze, cigars, and godfather movies too much to let bin laden turn his half assed country into afghanistan. We fuced it up by going in there at all. we shoulda just fomented another war between him and iran and that woulda kept both of them too busy to make any weapons.
2. get some natives to come over here, study islam in a modern theological school, become moderate clerics, and send them over to iraq to balance shit out. that would also be cheaper for us and deflect all attention to irAQ.

Besides, i dont think we should stay there. we should gtfo. If they kill each other, let them. Us leaving will not get the terrorists after us. they will be too busy having more sectarian fighting. remember, these extremists are all politicians manipulating religion. they wont tolerate each other anymore than they tolerate us because tis all about power. This is why you see sunnis killikng sunnis along with sunnis killing shias and muslims fighting our troops. they all wanna have the bigger dick. let them fight it out. its cheaper, easier, and it doesnt make us look bad. at this point, we can dump the blame on the iraqi government because they are already begging us to leave.

perhaps you should read the art of war to fully appreciate why your methodology faisl so hard and why in reality our military is only strong because of how much money we pump into it. brute force always looses to diplomacy and trickery. It is far more effective to use your enemy's own strength against him than to go full force against him and try to but heads becaus when you do the latter, pyrhic victories arise. With the former, losses are minimal and if the attempt fails, you still havent wasted any resources, where as your enemy is now winded. Think about it. If we used this mthod more, we wouldnt need to spend 1/3 a trillion dollars a year to accomplish what israel does i with 9 billion. we are inefficient and this stupid. your idea is a classic example of hubris and poorly planned warfare.

>>126

The "they" you are attacking and advocating bombing to all hell are not the same "they" that started a war with us. That "they" is chillin out in northern pakistan and we are not attacking them. we left afghanistan to go to iraq while the Taliban (who did harbor al qaeda) has slowly retaken much of the country. Meanwhile, Pakistan says we are not allowed to send US troops to search for Bin laden. Ya, we really went after the right "they"....

As for japan's suicide bomber vs arab ones, the main difference is that in WW2, we were able to attack their "god" directly. The japanese Emperor was believed to b a living god but, in reality, was just a human being who could be intimidated. We also had the advantage of being able to attack their homeland

With the muslim extremists we can't do that. Point for me on the map where you see Allah's front door. please. ill wait... YOU CAN"T. The muslim god is imaginary (unlike the the phoney the japs had). you can't cow their imaginary friend into surrender by threatening to annihilate his land. These extremists also don't have a country for you to destroy. In their own apocalypse story, their holy lands are "destroyed by fire" so you would only play into their superstition that there is a holy war. and that would start world war 3. Its just stupid. There are 2 ways to handle these idiots who claim to "speak" for all the muslims of the world (pro tip: they don't!)

1. Get another Saddam Hussein. He was a needed evil that allowed us to do just what you claimed you wanted to do: ignore these people. He was our scape goat and he did all the dirty work to keep them in line. Why do you think every time al qaeda tried to get a foot hold in iraq, they couldn't. Despite being sunni, saddam told em to go fuck themselves because he liked his booze, cigars, and godfather movies too much to let bin laden turn his half assed country into afghanistan. We fuced it up by going in there at all. we shoulda just fomented another war between him and iran and that woulda kept both of them too busy to make any weapons.
2. get some natives to come over here, study islam in a modern theological school, become moderate clerics, and send them over to iraq to balance shit out. that would also be cheaper for us and deflect all attention to irAQ.

Besides, i dont think we should stay there. we should gtfo. If they kill each other, let them. Us leaving will not get the terrorists after us. they will be too busy having more sectarian fighting. remember, these extremists are all politicians manipulating religion. they wont tolerate each other anymore than they tolerate us because tis all about power. This is why you see sunnis killikng sunnis along with sunnis killing shias and muslims fighting our troops. they all wanna have the bigger dick. let them fight it out. its cheaper, easier, and it doesnt make us look bad. at this point, we can dump the blame on the iraqi government because they are already begging us to leave.

perhaps you should read the art of war to fully appreciate why your methodology faisl so hard and why in reality our military is only strong because of how much money we pump into it. brute force always looses to diplomacy and trickery. It is far more effective to use your enemy's own strength against him than to go full force against him and try to but heads becaus when you do the latter, pyrhic victories arise. With the former, losses are minimal and if the attempt fails, you still havent wasted any resources, where as your enemy is now winded. Think about it. If we used this mthod more, we wouldnt need to spend 1/3 a trillion dollars a year to accomplish what israel does i with 9 billion. we are inefficient and this stupid. your idea is a classic example of hubris and poorly planned warfare.