Tech @4-ch

Tech @4-ch

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1: kek support (1) 2: future of piracy (48) 3: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN !! (3) 4: Bittorrent (32) 5: isn't he aggro (4) 6: turbo button (21) 7: Tor (7) 8: ITT, we try out Ubuntu Christian Edition (8) 9: Removing Ads from Xfire (7) 10: Trolls (14) 11: Hibernate settings/options (2) 12: Ebay ISSSUES (9) 13: Intel fakes playing a game demo when it's actually a pre-recorded video. (2) 14: I fucking hate my ISP (23) 15: Wow, this place isn't nearly as busy as it used to be... (23) 16: true color animated images? (16) 17: bold or italic on these boards? (5) 18: want to start usung linux based os (2) 19: Sankaku Complex down? (5) 20: Integrated in-car personal computer components, Suggestions please!!! (5) 21: Why aren't you using SadOS? (11) 22: Error Cannot Copy <filename> Invalid MS-DOS function (46) 23: No Internet, Only College (11) 24: Can any of you help out with this Linux distro? (8) 25: help topics for tips channel on youtube (3) 26: AMD INSIDE IDIOT OUTSIDE (4) 27: People are really fucking stupid when it comes to technology. (6) 28: How can cropping images make the file bigger?!? (7) 29: How will the failure of net neutrality effect online gaming? (4) 30: [HELP] Single questions & Help Thread [n00b] (354) 31: TRON project as original and newest OSs, Specifications and Concepts (68) 32: How does one download Wikipedia for offile reading, in Linux? (4) 33: learning through direct download? (4) 34: Chroms forking of Webkit, without the bullshit. (4) 35: Search Revolution (1) 36: The worlds first fully open-source tablet? (5) 37: Firefox OS continues to develop. [NEW PHOTOS] (3) 38: The Pebble e-Ink smartwatch is set to ship. (1) 39: Damn small computers (15) 40: 51cnnet is gone! (1)

kek support (1)

1 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-11-07 23:52 ID:2Ck1Mb2b

kek support

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future of piracy (48)

1 Name: captain morgan : 2006-08-25 06:21 ID:euZXhkQw

with windows vista and directx 10 games coming out do you think there will be far more advanced ways to protect media? Songs downloaded from Napster can't be converted - they have to be recorded using software like tunebite. Prince of Persia 3 uses starforce protection that leaves downloaders unable to play unless they disconnect the IDE cables for the disc drives. It seems like sophisticated media protection is the wave of the future.

I'll be honost, the only reason why I pirate is because its a)pathetically easy b)readily available from multiple sources on the internet c)saves me money d) lets me try just about anything digital (games I'm curious about, programs that I wonder are any good, etc. etc.)

If protection measures eventually make piracy obsolete I pray that at least companies provide demos of their products (as many do) so I at least can spend my money only on the things worthwhile.

thoughts? comments? yo-ho ho and a bottle of rum?

39 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-11 12:23 ID:sho8i83K

Effective signing of everything you create would require supporting PC hardware, software, network equipment and whatnot. Also, such a solution could not be allowed to work on or with legacy hardware, because that would be a security hole, that means not transferring from "safe" PC's to "unsafe" ones.

How realistic is it to assume that ALL MAJOR VENDORS would manage to agree on something that big, when you can't even get two companies to agree on a next gen DVD format, and what is the chance of getting basically all major businesses that use PC's to completeley rebuild their IT infrastructure? The recording/movie industry is powerful, and they have a lot of money, but some companies are more powerful have more money.

And then, if someone found a hole after everything was changed over, everyone would have to start over again.

40 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-11 15:54 ID:Heaven


You do realize most of these things are happening right now? Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray are built to (optionally) not support legacy hardware, and to implement a secure encrypted data path all the way from disc to display, and will refuse to work at full resolution if this is not provided? This includes the video playback framework in Vista.

41 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-11 18:17 ID:sho8i83K

Backward compatibility is there, Blu ray and HD-DVD are going to work in windows XP, using a software player, and software player means it can and will be cracked. Also, there's already devices on sale to filter out the HDCP from a HDMI stream (They recieve the stream encrypted and just output it decrypted). And key revocation? As soon as a key of an device that is spread far enoguh has been broken, the system is doomed.

42 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-11 21:30 ID:sho8i83K

This secure path does not enable you to copy data from medium to medium/PC to PC and to convert it to different formats, which is something you'll want to do with your own documents/data. It was also made to work only with certified OSes and players, and only needs to work with video streams.

The problem that HDCP is trying to solve is the creation of high quality digital rips, it's not trying to uniqueley identify every single part of every single disc (be it audio, video, text or whatever) that is created, which would be a tad more complex.

43 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-09-11 23:56 ID:Heaven

I concur with >>40, and I think >>41 is missing the point: so what if it has a backward compatibility for now?

It's once all the required pieces are in place (both hardware and software) that things will become problematic. XP has a lifecycle, and will eventually be replaced by Vista and Vista's successors on all machines that matter. Same with OSX. Once all the required components are in place will the race be on.

You're thinking too short-term.

> As soon as a key of an device that is spread far enoguh has been broken, the system is doomed.

Unless the network is involved, similar to Steam. The current Steam can be broken, but mainly because the hardware is insecure. What happens when both pieces are in place?

I can see it already: We're sorry. Your system has not been certified, so to protect other users you cannot sign on. Please take your computer to your nearest certified IT professional, et cetera.

44 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-12 11:46 ID:Heaven


I didn't say it did. I said that your arguments for it being impossible to do are invalid, because an effort of similar difficulty is being made right now. The aim is somewhat different, but it could easily be done again, especially when a lot of the stuff that's being put in place can be reused.

45 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-20 16:51 ID:EGzyLXNm

Dude, put down the tripcode and take a deep breath. Like I said, this isn't slashdot.

Reverse engineering a modern microprocessor is cheaper than building one from scratch. Second, your understanding of the PSP's security model is clearly lacking. They've got all the bits you suggest in there in the current revisions: a TPM analogue, signed software components all the way up from the BIOS-equivalent (it being a MIPS-based system, so no x86-style BIOS), hardware verification and attestation, you name it. Hell, even the original Xbox had signed software components and hardware verification using an "onion" model, and look at what happened: some MIT dude puts a FPGA-based bus analyzer on top of the cpu-to-northbridge wires and BOOM.

My point is that if you understand at all how many distinct factors go into making a system secure (well, actually, "more secure than the one before that", being as security isn't like being pregnant), the tradeoffs become readily apparent. Certainly Sony could rewrite all code that goes into the PSP in Haskell or some such verifiable language in which stack smashing or integer overflows didn't happen or were caught in hardware, but then you'd have issues with algorithm level bugs and the way verification-oriented languages tend to result in code that isn't appropriate for systems that have use for that 60% of cycles that the runtime tends to slurp up for its own use. Like, uhh, a handheld game console for instance.

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46 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-09-21 05:00 ID:Heaven

> Dude, put down the tripcode and take a deep breath. Like I said, this isn't slashdot.

You're right, it isn't. So why the patronizing tone?

> Reverse engineering a modern microprocessor is cheaper than building one from scratch.

Yet it's still expensive, and only becoming more so. Make it expensive enough and protected by a legal framework, and then what?

> a TPM analogue

Analogue could mean anything. A strong implementation is strong, and weak is weak. It looks like PSP's wasn't strong enough, which says little about future attempts.

> using an "onion" model
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48 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-10-13 00:41 ID:xwUcoxcx

we got always online shit now :C

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1 Name: THE FUTURE OF TEXTBOARDS, IN !!PLn6PKe7 : 2017-04-11 01:32 ID:W+dU0KgG


2 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-08-31 18:54 ID:1kdsb4Gy

3 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-10-02 18:41 ID:12T4RS+I

those boards are deader than Harambe

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Bittorrent (32)

1 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-07-31 00:56 ID:fX4AB1ou

So I use bittorrent primarily for unliscensed anime. The problem I have with it is I have a cable modem with a very good connection speed. I end up uploading as fast as my computer can handle and downloading very slowly. I always end up uploading 4 times or more information then what I download. It's pathetic to see myself downloading 4k a second and uploading 50k a second. What's worse is because bittorrent uploads as fast as my connection can handle my upload rate lags anything else I try and do. I can't play any games while using bittorrent which means I can only download while I vend in games or sleep. Any solution to this?

23 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-25 21:50 ID:Heaven


A decent uncluttered GUI would be a start.

24 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-26 08:22 ID:Tnvy0J7V

I don't use utorrent because it lacks these things:

  • Support for any operating system not windows.
  • Ability to run headless.
  • Publicly available source code.
  • Some sort of remote-control interface, preferably one that works with low bandwidth.

Then again, I'm a power user and a little bit of an open source nazi ^_^;; Whatever works, I guess.

25 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-28 22:34 ID:RErMm/2R

This is probably a bit of a thread derailment, but is it possible to run bittorrent in an effective manner (none of this "outgoing connections only" bullshit that gives me the red frowny face or whathaveyou) if you're behind NAT and have no way to forward ports?

26 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-29 00:28 ID:MZH4rJM7

BitComet can do NAT Traversal ( ), though I haven't tried that since I can forward. I think there was also a fork of azureus that could do it.

Also, your NAT device may be able to do UPnP or Nat port mapping (Which is basically automatic port forwarding), many clients support UPnP, some can do portmapping.

27 Name: schala1 : 2006-08-29 13:05 ID:v9LXE9ZA

when you put pictures on cd, does it have to be cdr, or cdrw? for some reason my puter wont see the disk in the drive! does anyone know whats wrong?

28 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-29 13:32 ID:Heaven

When you post a question, does it have to be in a specific thread, or just anywhere?

29 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-30 01:41 ID:Heaven

>>28 is a funny sonofabitch

30 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-09 06:36 ID:59biKN6I

I used to use Azureus on my W2K3 server, but it would often lag, whore memory, and just close itself for no reason. Upon investigation, the only reason that could be found was "Java is shit". Whether it is or it isn't is irrelivant now - I switched to µTorrent and could never go back.

31 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-11-21 13:14 ID:nmjm31SM

Im using azureus and always have and it never gave me any problem/ram hog or crahses.

I also found out that i download the fastest with Azureus after configuring it in Advance mode :D

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isn't he aggro (4)

1 Name: isn't he aggro : 2013-04-03 03:57 ID:wn4OH2PI

Surely we should have neurophysiological support systems by now.


I want my nutrition blender that reliable supports my body and brain!

Easy immortality as long as you don't get disease or cancer!


2 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2013-04-04 14:11 ID:uvA88oVl

I just want food in pill form.

3 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2015-07-23 01:33 ID:Heaven

Pills won't fill you, you'll still get hungry..

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turbo button (21)

1 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-19 05:00 ID:SQ9SrXqc

anyone know what those "turbo" buttons on the old pentium computers actually did?

12 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-06 04:35 ID:zr522rjy

Because when you push it your computer goes faster. Is it really necessary to ask?

13 Name: 11 : 2006-09-06 09:01 ID:bB0QjoVV

The default is fast though, you push it to make it go slower.

14 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-07 02:33 ID:zr522rjy

No, that depends on the computer. On some pushing means faster, on some it means slower.

15 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2006-09-07 06:58 ID:Heaven

I think it was a marketing gimmick. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

One state of the button had the CPU going at full clock, and the other at half. So now the manufacturers had a choice:

Will people buy a computer that has a Slower or a zOMG Turbo button? Don't forget that Turbo buttons became mainstream about the time that Turbo cars were all the rage.

16 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-07 18:37 ID:zr522rjy

You're right about it being a marketing gimmick, but they had to call it something. It did have some uses, as a lot of software was heavily dependant on processor speed for its timing, especially games. That's why later on slowdown utilities became necessary to run old games on win9x. It's also why on Dosbox you have a parameter to adjust processor speed.

Not that there weren't exceptions. Most office software would only benefit from higher speeds. Alley cat, a CGA game from the early 8086 and 286 days, was programmed well enough that it could still run normally at CPU speeds of 200MHz and higher.

Slowing down a computer can still be desireable today. If you cut the clock cycles you can cut the heat dissipation, potentially allowing the computer to run without all the loud fans necessary to cool components in modern systems. Would you buy a computer that has a Silent mode button?

17 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-08 09:40 ID:Heaven

Well they should just cut the dishonesty and marketing gimmicks and call it a "slow" button if they do include it.

18 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-09 06:12 ID:Heaven

How can it be a "slow" button when, if pressed, makes the computer "go faster" using magical megahurtz?

19 Name: Albright!LC/IWhc3yc : 2006-09-09 06:51 ID:i2DlzqLM

>Would you buy a computer that has a Silent mode button?

Intriguing question. Yes, I would. The fans on the computer I built are always running, regardless of its activity level (I tried setting on the intelligent fan manager thing in the BIOS, but it doesn't seem to help). I'd gladly have a button to turn the fans off and quarter its clock rate for times when I'm not doing intensive work, but I want it to be done in silence.

20 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-11 07:26 ID:+30s+Rqc


Or get fans that adjust their speed as dictated by the temperature coming from their temperature sensor? Thermaltake make some like that, iirc.

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Tor (7)

1 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-20 11:30 ID:INDYV+pi

Anyone can tell me how to configure Tor, Vidalia and Privoxy to bypass my college proxy?

2 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-21 02:26 ID:zr73vwAK

Bumpity. Torpark doesn't work at school, it can't find the port or a connection. So I'd love to get an answer ^_^

3 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-21 17:23 ID:Heaven

try setting ReachableAddresses in your torrc. or you can use the deprecated FascistFirewall and FirewallPorts options, but they are deprecated, so i'd recommend using ReachableAddresses.

FascistFirewall 0|1

If 1, Tor will only create outgoing connections to ORs running on ports that your firewall allows (defaults to 80 and 443; see FirewallPorts). This will allow you to run Tor as a client behind a firewall with restrictive policies, but will not allow you to run as a server behind such a firewall. This option is deprecated; use ReachableAddresses instead. 

FirewallPorts PORTS

A list of ports that your firewall allows you to connect to. Only used when FascistFirewall is set. This option is deprecated; use ReachableAddresses instead. (Default: 80, 443) 

ReachableAddresses ADDR[/MASK][:PORT]...

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4 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-26 12:40 ID:bgm6xhJn

can you explain more please

5 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-26 22:43 ID:Heaven


  1. Open your torrc file in a text editor.
  2. Add a line like this: ReachableAddresses :21-23,:25,:53,:80,:110,:119,:143,:443,*:995
  3. Restart Tor.
  4. ???
  5. Profit!!!

6 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-26 22:48 ID:Heaven


  1. Open your torrc file in a text editor.
  2. Add a line like this: ReachableAddresses *:21-23,*:25,*:53,*:80,*:110,*:119,*:143,*:443,*:995
  3. Restart Tor.
  4. ???
  5. Profit!!!

7 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-03-06 20:25 ID:1O+Mf4jv

dicks out for Harambe

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ITT, we try out Ubuntu Christian Edition (8)

1 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-31 18:07 ID:U/JcObrL

> Ubuntu Christian Edition is a free, open source operating system geared towards Christians. It is based on the popular Ubuntu Linux. Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support.
> The goal of Ubuntu Christian Edition is to bring the power and security of Ubuntu to Christians. Ubuntu Christian Edition is suitable for both desktop and server use. The current Ubuntu release supports PC (Intel x86).
> Ubuntu Christian Edition includes more than 16,000 pieces of software, but the core desktop installation fits on a single CD. Ubuntu Christian Edition covers every standard desktop application from word processing and spreadsheet applications to web server software and programming tools.
> Along with the standard Ubuntu applications, Ubuntu Christian Edition includes the best available Christian software. The latest release contains GnomeSword, a top of the line Bible study program for Linux based on the Sword Project. There are several modules installed with GnomeSword including Bibles, Commentaries, and Dictionaries.
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2 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-31 22:05 ID:zDeabVSC

>to market it to minorities?

Hikarunix. Need I say more? ( )

Also, I think this is pretty cool, I'm not going to download it but this is certainly nice for very religious people or people learning about religion. The developers should also have pretty good arguments for making people use it, with sharing stuff with others being a good thing to do for christians.


That domain name is beyond awesome, IMO.

3 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-31 23:08 ID:U/JcObrL

I found out about a few minutes after posting >>1 - it's like the kubuntu of UCE.
But unlike UCE, it doesn't even try to pretend to add any value at all, and visiting the homepage is more a "LOL" experience than UCE, which would be more a "WTF" experience, because of some gems like these on the ichtux homepage:

> It is based on Kubuntu in order to provide the best desktop environment of the moment, together with Christian programs and settings

Christian settings? lol what
And among the 9 features on the homepage: "a Christian emoticons theme by default in Kopete".

> That domain name is beyond awesome, IMO.

I think their actual domain, but I just had to link to that one.

I think that's pretty cool how there are distros for very specific uses - I recently used an installable livecd made for ruby on rails development ( ) on an old laptop to have a quick development workstation while on vacation.

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4 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-01 03:37 ID:0SgCQ1mA

jesus approves

5 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-01 12:17 ID:usaLnAiL

>Christian emoticons theme

You know, I'm so downloading this now. I mean, christian emoticons? Thats one awesome feature!

6 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-01 19:37 ID:U/JcObrL

> I mean, christian emoticons? Thats one awesome feature!

screenshot here BTW:

Also, UCE already managed to attract a (not very funny) parody site,

7 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-01 20:29 ID:usaLnAiL

Some of the facts are quite funny, my favourite:

> Ubuntu Christian Edition has got a modified version of fsck that
> prints the message "this is a good moment for praying" if
> launched in automatic repair mode on a corrupted file system.


Because, you know, I do that even when there's no message telling me to do so. In fact, I believe the last time I prayed was when my raid array got fuxed.

8 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-03-05 19:18 ID:TUJuKzLv

dicks out for Harambe

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Removing Ads from Xfire (7)

1 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-21 21:00 ID:+Tz2YCMO

I know it's possible to remove ads from the AIM client. Is the same true for Xfire? I just don't like having flashing shit on my desktop.

2 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-25 21:27 ID:Heaven

Don't use it. Problem much solved.

3 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-27 07:30 ID:+Tz2YCMO


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4 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-30 07:20 ID:rDXRabtZ

use trillian or miranda

5 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-30 16:43 ID:g6/KiZpp

Trillian doesn't work in-game though, as far as I know.
Isn't Miranda an AIM client? I already use GAIM.

6 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-09-03 16:10 ID:Heaven

GAIM has an xfire plugin.

7 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2017-03-05 19:17 ID:1VME6vn2

dicks out for Harambe

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Trolls (14)

1 Name: TokyoJapan22 : 2006-08-08 23:28 ID:xA/4SrSq

Who here is so sick of Trolls! They just pop out in the middle of a forum and bug you.

5 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-10 05:54 ID:lejPQ2VH

>The only way to defeat a troll is to not feed him. Therefore, what I'm sick of is self-important dinks who can't resist asserting themselves even in the face of an obvious troll.

Fixed & QFT'd.

6 Name: Redhatter : 2006-08-11 05:40 ID:Heaven

Meh... just feed the trolls /dev/null... All they'll get out of me is a big fat EOF.

7 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-11 19:19 ID:Heaven

>>6 is unix weeaboo

8 Name: Redhatter : 2006-08-16 09:11 ID:Qsjfv1ac

Of course... if that fails (e.g. someone feeds the troll), there are things you can do to disarm the troll.

Some of them (like one last night... see the link) are very easily caught offguard.

9 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-19 00:02 ID:Heaven

This thread is full of idiots. Sage.

10 Name: : 2006-08-22 05:34 ID:Heaven

Opera sucks sure there's an ebuild for opera but it just get dropped to /opt, it's statically linked, and it's CLOSED SOURCE, which means that it is a BINARY package.

11 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-23 12:28 ID:Heaven

I like how you say "CLOSED SOURCE" and "BINARY" as if normal people would also be afraid of those words.

12 Name: Redhatter : 2006-08-25 00:49 ID:Heaven

>>10 And this is relevant how?

13 Name: 4n0n4ym0u5 h4xx0r : 2006-08-27 07:31 ID:Heaven

This is copypasta, durr

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