Pareto (4)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2021-05-06 19:08 ID:ka+Bbduq

First of all I have only just glanced at titles of the different volumes of this guy's multi-volume magnum opus. You can make fun of me for that if you want to; I just wanted to make this post. Also, fair warning, this will be a bit political, or a lot political. Thus, if the mods do not like this, then feel free to delete.

I took a stats class and this guy came up. He seems to be quite exquisite despite the whole influencing fascism thing. Anyway, one of my friends basically stated the same thing that Pareto did in his four-volume text on society, that is, logical fallacies have entered into the domain of discourse of politics so that everything is now a sore subject and nothing really makes sense anymore with regards to the former. I know that I am not qualified for the following undertaking, but I would like to revisit Pareto's text with another sociological text constructing a scenario where a kakistocracy takes power and

a). Ruins lives with their shitposting;
b). Tarnishes the national discourse on everything;
c). Possibly endangers human life itself if the cabinet takes power at a critical point in human history;

yeah. This last bit is quite grandiose, but do you recall how Euclid basically wrote his Elements with the end goal of constructing the Platonic Solids, and thus the entirety of the cosmos as it was seen at the time? Yes, he actually did this, but I was thinking, "What if we did this same thing, except with Trump at the end?" Yes, I see after writing that I sound essentially as crazy as the "lost gospel of Trump" if you get my drift, although I doubt many will get that reference (I do NOT support that obscure entity I referenced). Any thoughts, or should I just "go back to reddit" or something?

2 Name: Bookworm : 2021-05-11 08:05 ID:Heaven

What exactly would be the purpose of such a text? Trump has not demonstrated to be particularly worthy of such a grandiose text.

This thread is also poorly named, I can't see much discussion about Pareto and his work occurring here considering your focus on writing a "lost gospel of Trump." You would have been better off calling it just that, "ITT we write the lost gospel of Trump." Much more attention grabbing too.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2021-05-11 18:08 ID:ka+Bbduq

>>2

A much kinder response than what I would have received elsewhere. Thank you for your response.

To be clear, by "the lost gospel of Trump" I meant some dreck that came from 8chan/8kun. The lost gospel is a reference to the hypothetical Quelle Gospel. Certainly you must understand now, although I have to assert again that I do not support that conspiracy theory trash.

Point taken with regards to Trump being undeserving of being the subject of the text. I should look into reading Pareto, and in retrospect it would have been best to have read his books before actually making this thread. To be frank I am feeling somewhat lonely and wanted to post on this board since the culture is a bit more friendly than its counterpart on 4chan.

As for Pareto, his sociological text is titled The Mind and Society, in English, and details how most social issues are grounded in logical fallacies. The first volume is dedicated to the discussion of this subject. Some of the rest of the text aligns liberals to foxes and conservatives to lions, and details how they "eat each other" over time, as in there is a cycle in terms of popularity between the two. That is, at least what the wiki states.

The purpose of the hypothetical text is provide a means to reform society so that we would not have to contend with another inflaming presidency in the future. But then again the resultant text would not do this at all, it would merely be a record of Trump and his antics. Furthermore, the text would probably be relegated to an "outsider" status; rejected by academia since the premise is so ludicrous and unread by the masses.

However, that is the result from not doing any research and just making a fool of oneself. Trump is irrelevant with regards to a more proper handling of the idea behind the text and how it is presented. It seems that building a realistic scenario where a kakistocracy comes into being and does what it wishes is a much better idea, yet I don't know how extensive it could be. The revised premise of said text would be to figure out ways to prevent tyranny after the advent of the kakistocracy. Tyranny is after all, a subject in the canon. There are quite a few global examples of such administrations nowadays to examine, though, so I sense an opportunity to come to understand them better.

Honestly this subject seems to have so many facets that I think they would have to be listed out. I am going to try and do that.

4 Name: Bookworm : 2021-12-13 05:29 ID:Heaven

>>3

>the lost gospel of Trump

Even before he took the biggest of risky gambles, announcing he would run for president in June 2015, Donald Trump already had one very successful business venture going.

A building filled with unit 627m skyscrapers -- just blocks from Times Square, near Madison Square Garden -- it is home to some of the highest-paying condominiums and clubs, marketed as home for the cosmopolitan and elite.

Its highest category, his "Gold" category, has become a calling card of Trump's highly-regulated real estate empire, either a tribute to his wealth or proof of its understatement.

Either way, Trump Tower has the attraction: glass walls lead to gold-leaf fountains connected by gold chandeliers, windows filled with velvet upholstered furniture and gold-plated grille doors opened by gold-plated elevators to private plush living quarters and such gilded highlights as family gazebos and gargoyles.

Using the shiny reality of high-end homes "King Kong Tower," "Bad", or the "Epicin", as Trump has used his real estate promotional software, sends powerful messages, aides say.

Image copyright Matthew Lloyd/REUTERS Image caption Trump Tower is the third version built on a completely unimproved urban lot near Times Square in New York

"That's kind of the Trump brand in a nutshell. Always out of the box," one adviser explained.

While South African President Jacob Zuma succeeded, Trump works in small-town America

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - a constant presence, lately toting a megaphone for other Trump's speeches - claims Trump should know his local implications better than other presidential candidates of his status. "Trump has a totally unique, firsthand understanding of the potential impact of making, no particular region," says Giuliani. "The hotels, buildings, taxes, infrastructure, and whatever else."

Trump's appeal, critics say, is like Gordon Gekko's scams, and Robert Mueller would need less larceny expertise to uncover his tax returns

Fortune thought it over, but declared this year that Trump has his "self-branding," implicitly absorbing the low esteem reporters assign to him (low for Melania's eyes), adding "that bad."

On Wednesday Mr Menosky once again expressed himself on the matter, courteous but biting: "It is entirely a result of him being narcissistically devoid of critical thought or emotion or compassion or a sense of value beyond his own interest.

"As such, he doesn't offer anything substantive which is commensurate or lends itself to further political or intellectual discourse," Menosky added, as he wrestled with why a toned-down message does not seem better, reasonable or compelling.

Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Republican opponents of Mr Trump launch insults

He wants immigration stinginess

Immigration and manliness are President Trump's most favoured immigrant leanings. An argument ending in soft-mouthed patriotic fudge, fake tears for everyone you have deported, no visas except for "real" Mexicans.

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