moot sold 4Chan to hiroyuki nishimura, founder and former owner of 2ch
Did he sell it, or just give it away?
now that i re-read the newspost, i'm more inclined to believe he just gave it away.
There seems to be a panic about Nishimura-san's credentials to run a site, given the seemingly suspicious nature of how he left 2ch. Are the reasons he left - selling user data - genuine or is it just fearmongering? Maybe saying he left is even wrong, as it seems like he was partially usurped by Jim, the new owner of 8ch.
>>4
Almost seems like the two are doing some kind of "who can run the most messageboards" contest
Well he is now doing a Q&A on 4chan. He was asked this question:
"1. After facing many scandals before you left, 2channel has underwent major problems. Hiroyuki Nishimura's legacy is very controversial among 2ch users.
2. When 2ch.net was taken over, 2channel got mirrored to 2ch.sc. This used up a lot of bandwidth, which the webmaster claims cost him a lot of money.
3. What was your motivation to come back and manage Anonymous BBSes again?
Perhaps moot can trust that you have the experience, but can we, the userbase, trust you too?"
And he answered in this way:
"I made up text. so, I'll paste it here.
I'm happy that there is no stupid 4chan users who easily are deceived without any evidence.
First of all, NT technology, which is owned by Jim Watkins, were a hosting company which hosted 2ch.net servers.
Also, they provided domain privacy protection services.
I used their services.
"I" means (Packet monsters Inc. and I) in all later sentences.
One day, their credit card servers were cracked.
The 2ch pass service was made by Zero Inc. and NT technology.
They secretly stored user’s credit card numbers and users personal information.
And, Crackers leaked those information.
I didn't have any access to the 2ch pass servers.
And I’ve never known that they stored such information on their servers.
After the leaking, they wanted to make 2ch pass again.
But I couldn't trust them so that I declined.
And, they were almost bankrupt.
So, Jim stole 2ch.net domain and systems.
It is what happened.
If they don't tell a lie, they can explain that
"Who gave or sold the domain and system to you?"
"Is there any evidence like a contract?"
There are no such evidence because they stole.
Actually, I have sued them in Japan. The lawsuit starts on Nov.
If I do illegal things, why wouldn’t they sue me?
Instead of that, I have sued them because they are liars."
Oh Nichimura-san posted more in reply as well:
">What was your motivation to come back and manage Anonymous BBSes again?
I think last year.
moot came to tokyo and we have drunk.
Then he said he wanted to quit.
As he said, there are a few people, who such free speech space in the world.
He wanted to quit. But He and I want 4chan survive.
>* How did you raise the amount of money to compensate Moot?
I borrowed money.
>* moot may have wanted to give you the chance to start over fresh. He led 4chan with an ideal that people deserve a chance to start from scratch without reputations.
You users use 4chan. I want to keep it and look it.
What I need is you guys. not newly ideal pioneer or something like that."
>>8
He's denying it right now on 4chan's /qa/ and asks for anyone to present actual evidence
>>9
Great, we're going to end up in a game of "he said she said" between the idiots who run 4chan and the retards who run 8chan now.
>No, he was the one stealing data
>No, it was really him! I did nothing!
This is really stupid and I feel bad for anyone who is believing either side. They're both con artists and you can't trust them.
So m00t passes the reins to some clueless nip who uses google translate to speak to his people.
Greeeeeeat.
>>12
There are a lot of clueless people here.
The founder of 2ch isn't one of them, just you wait.
>>14
Is Jim a nice guy? How would we know? Did he steal 2ch or not?
This post is written by codemonkey, the lead developer of 2ch who was involved in removing the tracking software Hiroyuki had inserted into 2ch.net
Things to know:
* 'Hiroyuki' recently purchased 4chan from Moot.
* 'Hottolink' is a Japanese big data analytics and data mining company. They specialize in mining and selling the data behind social media, blogs, and bbs/forums. They currently only provide service to Japanese and Chinese companies, utilizing data from 2ch, twitter, weibo, blogs, etc. Services they provide are product performance analysis and marketing solutions based on social media data.
* 'Niconico Douga' is Japan's equivalent of youtube. Hiroyuki is some kind of employed with their project. Hiroyuki's company Brazil Future Search provides the search solution for Niconico douga.
* '2ch.sc' is Hiroyuki's pirate site of 2ch.net. Hiroyuki made 2ch.sc to fulfill his contracts to Hottolink which provides him with millions of USD per annum according to Hottolink's published financial report[1].
* 'Brazil Future Search' is Hiroyuki's search engine company specializing in real-time search solutions. They currently provide search for Niconico Douga and 2ch.sc and others.
* 'Effyis' is a company that runs boardreader.com. They were recently bought out by Hottolink as the first expansion into the US market.
How Hiroyuki will sell 4chan data:
Step 1: Brazil Future Search will make a real-time search engine for 4chan text data only. They will forgo images because images are not important in data mining.
Step 2: The new 4chan search engine will provide data to Effyis (boardreader.com).
Step 3: Boardreader.com will add 4chan search to their board search.
Step 4: Effyis (boardreader.com) will provide a firehose of data to Hottolink (their parent company) to use in data mining.
Step 5: American companies will begin purchasing analytics data from Hottolink.
Step 6: There is no step 6, you have already had your data sold to the highest bidder.
After Hiroyuki's initial announcement of purchasing 4chan, Hottolink stock has risen 60 points. This is likely due to insider trading; Hottolink has yet to publicly announce anything regarding 4chan.
You can read Hottolink's strategy in their published English financial report:
[1] http://www.hottolink.co.jp/pdf/english/ir20150828.pdf
Good day.Hiroyuki selling data is absolutely undeniable, considering that hottolink has admitted to doing so in a press release. Selling data isn't even the worst offense though. Hiroyuki was also deeply involved in deleting posts for money. One of his clients was the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan.
Codemonkeys prediction has already come true. Hottolink has just partnered with some american companies, and hiroyuki said in his QA that the first things he wanted to do was to implement a search engine for 4chan. He doesn't seem to be aware of archive.moe, but if he is, I think the site will be taken down.
I'm mostly angry 4channers keep themselves deluded Hiroyuki is this "retard moe" guy who hasn't done anything wrong.
Let's say I am a datamining company. With only the text data on 4chan, I can get a general idea of what a number of people are interested in, but I can't correlate it with other posts to get a sense of "X likes Y, buys Z, holds political position A about topic B" because all posters are anonymous.
Now let's say I have a deal with the site administrator. He allows me to get the text data of all posts along with the IP address... or a hash of the IP address. All of a sudden I can gain access to analytical data on millions of people on a top 1000 site. I can know what people like by location, etc...
Now, a clever person might say, "oh, well you can't tie this to me personally without subpoenaing my ISP to get my IRL info." To this, the answer is, "who says 4chan is the only site they're datamining from?" You ever find yourself searching for a product on one site, and then finding an ad for it on a totally different site? Your 4chan posts will be providing ammunition for targeted advertisements.
Furthermore, because 4chan will be generating profit based on number of posters, the smart thing for a profiteering Hiro would be "get more newfags." Suddenly 4chan becomes filled with cancer all for the sake of a few extra bucks. Hiro did borrow money to buy this site, did he not?
also if the site administrator is willing to tie your purchase information (name, address, ect.) to your postings, your data becomes far more valuable than if there wasn't an IRL name.
>He is kinda cute
People think a sarcastic guy with a jew nose and fish lips in his thirties is cute? There must be hope for me then.
I can't wait for him to fuck everything up.
Seeing 4chan burning down must be fun.
>>23
He's actually 41
He's older than probably 99% of 4chan's userbase.
I won't deny that Mr. Nishimura is up to some shady business, but as someone with not a lot to hide, why should I be concerned about data mining? And besides, it's not like he has any choice. 4chan's userbase continuously uses Adblock on 4chan, knowing that it hurts the much needed revenues necessary to keep the site alive.
Mr. Nishimura is a businessman and not at all an unreasonable man. He knew what he was getting into when he bought 4chan. He knows perfectly well that more ads and ad spaces will not be enough to generate profit.
>>26
Data mining would fundamentally destroy anonymity on any chan. The whole premise is to target particular real-life people with adverts. That goal cannot be achieved without long-term IP address storage (not to mention that it would be linked to every post you make), therefore ruining the (relative) anonymity and ephemerality of posts and IP addresses.
>>27
You cannot target IP addresses with advertising, unless they're using your service. So the only ads that I'll be targeted with are the ones that appear on 4chan or on other sites owned by Nishimura's company, or whatever third-party shareholder they sell the data to.
Regardless, even if big time companies like Google or Microsoft were getting their hands on this data, how does this affect me personally besides getting advertisements catered to my tastes? It's a machine sifting through keywords, not a person actively reading what I post. There are no personal repercussions on my end from having keywords from my posts collected and used for the purpose of advertising.
>There are no personal repercussions on my end from having keywords from my posts collected and used for the purpose of advertising.
Surely you can't be this naive.
>>31
Is that a fancy way of saying "I have no real argument" ?
>>32
Surely you can't be this naive.
You are incorrect in the way you characterize the advertisers and the trackers. They do not think like you and I do. We see information as a way to gain something more, be it understanding, insight, or to obtain a goal. They seek information as an end in and of itself. They have a pathological need to slurp up as much data as possible. They are data junkies. To them, the quality doesn't matter, only quantity. They dump their data in the pits of their data centers and run the latest data mining code on it, then they go back for more. They are like pigs at a trough. They will gorge and gorge on the food in front of them until they are so fat that they can't move, at which point they get to enjoy the bliss of having it shoved into their mouths. It's almost a sexual drive with these people. Do you think Google operates all these free services just to sell pixels on a webpage? Of course not. They sell ads as a side benefit to collecting all this data.
Also if you seriously believe "there are no personal repercussions" from there being a large database about everything you do on the Internet that is accessible to anyone willing to pay then you must be fucking stupid.
>Also if you seriously believe "there are no personal repercussions" from there being a large database about everything you do on the Internet that is accessible to anyone willing to pay then you must be fucking stupid.
You've been data mined by Google, Microsoft and whatever else services you use for years. Has someone blackmailed you after viewing that data? No. Has someone found out where you live based on that data? No. Has someone doxed you based on that data? No. Has someone used that data for anything other than selling you shit by giving you ads along with their services? No. There is literally nothing to be paranoid about. Get over yourself and put down the tinfoil hat.
>Get over yourself and put down the tinfoil hat.
This guywwwwwwwww
>>38
Let me guess, you also believe that there's a Jewish plot to destroy the white race?
Trying too hard ワロス
>There is literally nothing to be paranoid about.
But didn't you just said you're datamining us..
>You've been data mined by Google, Microsoft and whatever else services you use for years.
>There is literally nothing to be paranoid about. Get over yourself and put down the tinfoil hat.
Uhh
baby learned how to use AAs wwww
Shitty thread.
>>45
You got BTFOd and now you denounce the whole thread as being shitty.
ｗｗｗｗｗ
>>47
BTFOd? What kind of lowly language is this?
You didn't even use the Sasuga Brothers correctly.
>>47
Back to 4chan, please!
>>46
Yet, inevitable and arguably an important topic.
Hiroshimoot finally added a new board.
And it's just another porn board.
Everyone will be attracted back to 4chan now because of new controversy, this board has nothing to worry about
>>53
That's not how it works
Hiring someone that scammed 2channel usually provokes an reverse reaction.
>>54
isn a school shooting announcement the new controversy?
>>54
4chan is full of naive idiots, anyway. Also,
http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3256735/Don-t-school-tomorrow-northwest-Disturbing-warning-message-appears-4Chan-night-shooting-Oregon-college.html
>>56
I thought you meant him coming to 4chan, woops.
Meanwhile on 4chan:
https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22946144/#22948712
"Moot2" is probably having a good time.
>>57
Damn, this guy really knows how to keep 4channers by his feet.
>>58
As if it was hard.
>>57-59
"I'm happy that there is no stupid 4chan users who easily are deceived without any evidence."
-- Hiroyuki, 2015
>>57
Is archive.moe dead?
>>61
4chan went down today, not sure why archive.moe followed.
Hiro added a picture of a space shuttle to the home page.
hiro said he thinks the site engineers might be working on textboards.
http://boards.4chan.org/qa/thread/310926
I like how active he's been so far.
Here's the actual post.
http://boards.4chan.org/qa/thread/310926#p312489
Hiro added a history board.
so?
>so?
It's related to the topic of the thread faghomo.
>>68
Textboards have been on 8chan since 2014, so I really doubt that 4chan adding the textboards they had since 2004 back after a year would really hurt textboards if 8chan hasn't ruined them already.
>>72
What is an 8chan? Nevermind, sounds cancerous.
>>72
8ch's textboards are just imageboards without pics.
>>72
Except if Hiro really readded the textboards he'd add a link on the blotter, which absolutely everyone from any board would be able to see.
>>75
I know that you're new to 4chan, but for the longest time they were linked under their respective board names like /a/ with /anime/ and there was even a time that they were next to the boards on top.
>>68
How would him re-adding textboards affect textboard culture anywhere outside of 4chan?
>>68
Idk about that. The textboards will always have significantly less traffic than the imageboards on 4chan.
apparently some people are still proud they've been on 4chan for longer than others, huh
They don't want to feel bad they've spent most of their lives on such a shitty website.
Why not bring back the rapidshare catalogue?
>Yeah, when 4chan didn't have as many terrible users as it did today.
So according to you, it was just 2015 that made 4chan terrible? Because the textboards were around until last year you fucking idiot. I can also guarantee I've been here longer than you, so telling me to go back to 4chan is hilarious. Keep parroting things you hear others say in an attempt to make yourself look cool, though.
>>83
I don't think you belong here.
>>83
Take it easy.
>>84
okay mr "lol epic"
keep playing pretend oldfag on 4-ch
the -fag suffix is so 4chanish
Nishimura's pathetic attempts at reaching out to the 4chan community through mainstream memes is rather disheartening...
See: 4chan's homepage
Oh god, it honestly is like seeing an old man attempting to do some skateboarding in front of a bunch of teenagers.
And doing some sick ass tricks
not really, no
sounds like someone can't do any sick ass tricks
i did a sick ass trick on you're mother
4channers are gullible little fuckers.
They started sucking Hiroyuki's dick the second he showed up, too.
I am so happy there are no stuped 4-ch'ers who believe without evidence
Suddenly 4chan people seem to know more about Hiroyuki than 1/3 of the Japanese population!
To be fair, the Japanese population is pretty dumb.
But then again, so are 4chan people.
100 get
>>99
Main problem is that they're not very well informed about the whole thing. They don't even know parts of the story that were translated into English, and much less about the new stories that are only written in japanese.
Also, anyone know where you can see Hottolink stocks? I heard there was a raise after Hiroyuki got 4chan.
>>102
It's a thread about 4chan, it's par for the course.
why would you age this
Apparently Hiroyuki added a news "textboard" to 4chan. It's just an imageboard except he disabled images. A few hours latter he added the ability to post images in the OP. So now it's just an imageboard with no image replies. Turns out people complained about not being able to post images in a textboard. This is after pleading for Hiroyuki to add textboards back.
>he added the ability to post images in the OP
So, more like one of the older imageboards built off of the futallaby script.
That sounds perfectly fine to me. The main difference between the 4chan imageboards and every other textboard is the fact that you can post unrelated images in a thread in order to selfishly and unfairly garner attention to your post, or else just to derail the thread.
>>110
Go back to 4chan.
>>109
The main problem isn't allowing images, it's the culture behind it. "Avatarfagging", reaction faces, unrelated pictures, etc.
>>111
Unable to face criticism are you?
>And textboards are pure because there's no way to give yourself unfair attention
...When did he say that?
>>114
Geez.
For someone complaining about 4chan, you sure aren't very smart yourself.
>>116
That wasn't me, ``lmao''.
>>110,115
Like greentexting but using AAs.
>>118
That AA was used in the same way 2channel users use it.
I swear, this crowd is so misled that they think everyone is a 4chan. Is it because of the influx of 4chan/8ch crossposters lately?
>Is it because of the influx of 4chan/8ch crossposters lately?
Yeah, they're pretty gross.
this is nice thread
nice and kind to each other
>>120 explain
What do they do that you don't like?
>>24
For starters, they go to 4-ch internet addicts board and start asking people to lurk for them.
Like you did just now.
What's with 4channers still defending their shithole?
What do you think will happen once 4chan gets shut down? It's not like 4chan is or ever was run by a large company, like other social media sites, so outside forces could very well compel the site's shutdown.
And after that, what will happen to the user base? Will they just dissipate, settling for more popular social media sites? I suspect the vast majority will, but, as we can already see, there's a growing number of alternative image boards and textboards, and their user base, though most of it migrated to 4chan at the height of 4chan's popularity, seems to be returning.
Is his the advent of a new era for textboards?
>>126
Retards from 4chan are already shitting up the most well-known textboards.
>>127
Why is it everyone on here is so snobbish?
Do I have to remind you that there are hundreds of imageboards out there that are virtually ignored?
And some of the most active textboards outside of 4chan, 420chan, 8chan have some of the most unique and insular userbases, like /what/, which is practically all /jp/.
Why do you act like you have absolutely no control over the websites you browse? do you think that there's no alternative? Because the fact is that, of the existing textboards, 4-ch is hardly the most active.
>>129
You can hardly call /jp/ (or old /jp/, whatever) 4chanesque.
>>129
can you hook me up with the best textboards?
I was thinking about 4ct yesterday and felt kinda bad for not going there
>>132
Besides 4-ch I like to post on http://bienvenidoainternet.org/, but it's in Spanish.
Apparently, Hiro's posted on hispachan.
>>136
Shitty place that tries really hard to imitate 4chan.
every image board is trying to imitate 4chan