I was going to ask this question to the last poster in the Baby Human topic, but decided I should probably make atopic out of it.
Well, how do you survive? Live with your parents, work off the internet, live with other relatives, supported by girlfriend/friends, still go to school, still go to work, inheritage, participate in money farming?
Post your source of income here, along with your age, if you feel like it.
As for me: Age 21. I live with my parents, but most of my income comes from my community college (still trying to get through it). The rest comes from different things I've done online, like checks from those free Ipod sites and ads on sites I've ran.
What's money farming?
How do you get money from community college?
What is those free Ipod sites?
How much do they pay you for those free Ipod sites and ads for they put on your sites?
21?
You're still very young, are you planning to be like that for how long?
When I was around 17 - 23, I did nothing but go on the net, image boards and so on. I stayed in my room almost all the time. I'm 26, I still do now, staying in my room and going on the net for most of my time, being on the net becomes my life really.
Most of my life, is staying home. It just got worser after I moved, after 14 years old.
What are you doing in the community college?
I wish I could survive by making money on the net, I don't have skills nor talent to sell. I got some vague idea on making money on Ebay a while ago but as time goes on I drifted to other things. My mind flutters and attention focuses on different things for a period to fix my pleasure and depression. At one time, my mind sets me to want to this, then later on, it leaves off the previous desirable thing and goes on another thing. I have too many things I want to do but always never gets done nor take time to complete and carry it out.
I live with my parents and work in a factory. I don't know how long this will keep up, I always get fed up and feel I'm wasting my life while working. It's very depressing. And I turn my bitterness and blame towards my parents, no, I don't take it out on them, only in my mind when I'm working. I daydream and wonder about my life, thinking when would this end. I want to leave and run away. At some times, I comtemplated killing myself. Thinking if my life is worth living.
I was mild hikki when I was young, now I'm still consider one, just I work in a factory which I hate, no actually, any jobs i've been in I don't like but i need it for damn money. My parent aren't better off, sometimes I think if my parents are better off than they are now, I wouldn't be doing the work I'm doing now. Yeah I'm blaming for them i know, but I can't help it. You gotta know how shit it is when nobody wanna talk to you, and having social anxiety and social avoidance is a big problem in my life. When I muster the courage to talk to them, they won'tb talk to you or you getting the feeling they don't want to talk to you, like they avoiding social contact with you.
I have nowhere to go besides my room. I only go outside when I work or food and other nessicities.
I have things i want to do but at this rate, I won't be able to do until some years have passed.
Op, what do you want to do in your life?
I know this not my thread, but what do other hikkis/half hikkis/hikkis wannabe/would be, want to do in life?
Things you want to do for the rest of your life, things you want to achieve?
I want to establish a team, I'm not talented nor skilled though. In the future I want to start a business and get our own company.. i can't do this alone... I need people whom I trust.
I have a vague idea what I want to do.... i have many things I want to do which leads to the same interest.
I want to make my own Anime, but i know nothing about animation. No actually I also want to make games based the anime I make, in addition to my own manga which is basis for all of this.. I want to be an artist, yet i want to graphics designer.. game programmer... and sculpter so I can sculp my own characters figures and dolls.. like how the Japanese done them. You see, the Japanese makes anime for their market and they seem to protect themselves from outside competition, and their anime and related stuff they make all have to have their endorse in them. It seems like its a closed market... unlike open source. Their anime they make only gives the opportunity to themselves... not us... the gaijins.... there is no internation industry participation in it.. other than low jobs or jobs being not recognised internationally... anime always gives recognition to themselves. We can't participate as how the japanese do.. they have the privilege and we don't, it like it is a japanese thing only japanese can make it. I want break that and create anime industry internationally. Who knows maybe one day would be amateurs like us will become professional so we can sell our products. I feel like I want to make the otaku culture possible in my place. no more hiding.. we'll come out and proud.... i want everyone to know that we exist.
Does anyone have this in mind they want to do in life?
Though I can't draw (i was actually interested in drawing when i was a kid, i was praised by being good drawer for my age even my parent said i m a good drawer, but my parents said artist don't make money and i was discourage to pursue further. And now what? I became a hikki, are they proud of me?), I haven't started yet. I m still making decisions before i get started in this. I can't do this by myself, it doesn't help that i don't know anyone nor have friends.. all i can do is dream... and get depressed about not doing anything.
I live in Australia.... I don't anyone who I can trust or have this interest to accomplish.I posted this in the hope someone is interested in this. I'm not joking, this is something I'm set to in my life, I can't now, but i'll start this in somewhere in the future, I'll start even when im in my late 30's and will continue to do until I die.I'm really Otaku Hikki from the past.. if anyone ever read some of my post, you will probably get some idea about me.....
Making my own mangas, anime, figures and dolls ( attribute this to Rozen Maiden ), games/ gal games, fighting games like Melty blood (that one kinda inspired to me rethink about my decision in learning programming again from scratch), Right now, i know nothing about making them.... it;s really hard if not possible.... making anime , animation is technically the hardest to me. Think about doing all that under one company, with team of out own!
what do people think?
are they interested?
>>3 Won't work.
I'm just getting by at home, studying. No money though. D:
I can't wait till I manage to get another job. ._.
Anime is a lot of work.
"Hoshi no Koe" was made by a single person, his wife, and his Power Mac. It's 24 minutes long. It took seven months of work- not NEET quality 'work' either, full working days and probably overtime.
I doubt you'll be able to convince anyone to work under you without paying them a salary or at least pulling your own weight. Don't count on that.
The game angle is more likely. A lot of people have made great games entirely by themselves. However, it's still a lot of work and won't neccessarily bring in the cash you need. If you're truly dedicated to the hikki ideal, you'd be better off staying afloat with something guaranteed-payoff, instant-reward- such things are usually unsatisfying, yes, but that's the sacrifice you make.
I wonder about this a lot. I'm training to be a teacher (I already have a bachelor's degree). But I don't think I'm cut out for it, or any kind of full-time job, or any kind of job where I have to deal with strangers and people who act like assholes just because they can. I've considered being a private tutor, because then I could at least fire my clients. But I don't know how viable that is, and I probably couldn't get health insurance. Stupid extrovert-loving, socialism-fearing society I live in ...
I've also considered writing erotica, since I have a friend who earns money doing that. I really need to just give it a try. I don't know. Sometimes I despair of being self-sufficient. I guess it would be OK if I wanted to be a housewife and my partner were really rich, but no dice on either account.
There are a couple of books people might be interested in (mostly for the US and possibly Canada): Careers for Bookworms & Other Literary Types and _Careers for Introverts & Other Solitary Types _.
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http://l-o-j.net/en/forum-1-1.html
This is not the hikki ideal that you think I'm implying. I believe in the anime ideal. Imaginations and creations you conjured up in your mind and make them come alive. If you have seen the works of galge mads and galge intros, or any mads or music vidoes involving bishoujo, I'm very interested in that. I'm interested creating the arts like those in galges, up to the level like 夜明け前より瑠璃色な art, along with canvas2, shuffle, clannad, kanon, air, 君が望む永遠,水夏, D.C..etc..... if you have see some of the mads or intros... these examples aren't the only ones, there countless bishoujo intros and mads that are so beautiful.
I'm serious about this, I've been considering and evaluating my life, it always comes back to anime, and bishoujo happens to be the one I really want to do. I've never seen a gaijin outside of Japan created arts like those in galges and animes. But if were to make a manga.... it wouldn't stand out like anime. If I make a manga, I need to a game base from it, or the other way.... but making animation gets more attention. If I just designed and created character art and sculpted, it won't sell because nobody knows about it. They'll sell if there is a story to it, withing the story the character personality would be portrayed.
Now if i created a manga and a visual game and then sculpt those from both the manga and the game into a figure or doll, that would sell if people read and played it and actually become some sort of fan to it. This works but without making animation to it, it seem like it isn't as big, that won't bring too much attention to it.
It is very hard if not impossible. But I've considered my life very hard, I had a hard look towards my life. I know I will regret if I don't do this. That's why planning to save money to buy a house for future investment early in life, so I don't do this when I get older, otherwise I end up like the rest who just give up their life and live the normal way. After the investment is done, I can't concentrate my interest and pursue it without worrying about financial difficulties, though I still will get a part time job while I pursue it. But i need to do it quick before I end like the rest who give up. I will then continue to skill up my talent in this interest, and later on I start my company, that won't happen until i'm a bit old, but I m planning to do this until I die... and I won't retire... whats the point of retiring?
I'm not finish fighting... thats lot shit i want to change the way society thinks, it's endless battle.. if I just retire , its like I give up already.
It's hard to trust people, there all sort of liars and cheaters, and generally shit people out there who you wouldn't trust..
The important is to find thosee people who have the same interest and passion as you...and help eachother in their same endevours and are really looking to start company in the future... But you see you cannot guaranteed they won't change and leave and move on.. its hard to predict..lots of uncertainty.... I know I won't change.. I will keep on pursuing this.... Without others.. I cannot accomplish this. Some people aren't serious and would just do it for fun or as a hobby... I'm different.. I 'm serious and I want to make a name for myself and the company... I want to compete or as least stay in the commercial world or world of profesionals.
I want others to appreciate my work and them loving it. It's fulfilling to do what you want and having others love the work you do.
What do you love? What do you happy?
Do those that you love and find happy doing. Get a part time job while you do things you love.
This is a world of capititalism, at least for the most part it is and won't change for a long time.
Why would you want to be a housewife?
You can still fulfil your desire to pass done your genes without being tied down to being a housewife. This is coming from guy like me.
Self-sufficient, I know a thing about this.. Its because you are a woman...and generally society view and treat you like you have to rely on men.. but the thing is you don't have to think like that! Don't worry about that, it's slowly changing.. laws , education, etc are helping to shape the view of women. I know how you feel, it's because generally guys are physically stronger than women, if you were fighting, men would win,, but don't forget there is law and justice. Men take advantage of their physical strength, ownership, positions, traditions, and social views ,etc to make you think like that. Laws are there to help you, if are being abused or harrassed, tell your lawyer and solicitor. Don't think yourself as a woman, maybe because others gives you the impression that you need to be one, this pressures you to be one, otherwise pschological problems starts to fuel in you.
>Careers for Bookworms & Other Literary Types and _Careers for Introverts & Other Solitary Types _.
Dammit, where were those books when I was in high school?
Be a mercenary/private contractor.....
if you make it you can make enough to be Hikikomori for a while.....
I agree... be a ninja for hire. That way nobody will want to be your friend anyway.
just
kidding!
Actually I work, But my job is in accounting so it involves the computer all the time and not alot of contact with people. SO I don't know if this really counts as I DO leave my house, but I spend about 10 -17 hours on the net. SOmetimes two three days at a time with no sleep! while working, chatting MSN whatever... inbetween that time I do my anime stuff. I am married, and we have a great life. being on the net, checking in on it while talking to him, having anime playing or reading while he's working... it's all good. My thinking is that you can be a hikokomori (meybe not a true sense of the word) and still survive in the normal land. Perhaps you should find a job like i didthat does not involve alot of people interaction.
on a side note i went to school for education at first too, and realized I would die if I actually taught! oh... I'm turning 32 in a few months ^.^
>What's money farming?
I believe money farming is selling in-game items in MMORPGs for real money, but I'm not completely sure, though.
At the moment I don't, but I can if I learn and practice the art. I used to have talent in drawing when I was kid.
If I start a course in Arts or multimedia, etc, at the end of the course I have to work for a company which I doubt would have the work I wanted to do or I work by myself and create a company on my own. If its the former, I rather not do it, since it just a waste of time doing the art I'm not interested in doing, thus I would end up leaving sooner or later. If it is the latter, I don't have enough experience to start my own company on my own, and I can't do everything by myself. I don't expect myself to join a company which I love to work for. I wish to create anime related works, but I doubt I could get into that area without starting out on my own. Like I said I can't start on my own, I need a team dedicated to this before I start the course. I need everything planned to make this decision. If I finished the course, at the end of the day, if I can't do the arts I want to do, then what is the point? I don't want to work for a company that does the art I don't want to do. If I can't establish a devoted team with the same interests and ambitions, it won't work, I can't do this on my own.
I may have ideas on to seek the people with the same interest and ambitions as me, I may find them in anime clubs, art courses, cons,etc. But I have my doubts. People are hard to trust, and it doesn't help I'm not good at making friends and general socialising.
The only people who be interested are devoted, ambitious, passion, venturous otakus, who are committed and are not afraid to start up their own business. And most people I find are either don't take it seriously, or they are too young.
In other words, I need dedicated and committed otaku who will volunteer to go through this together and journey in their life to last and be loyal to creating a company and succeed in our common areas of interest and objectives.
Without this, it would be uncertain.
If I get serious with this, I'll learn to draw pretty quick, although there are number of guidelines to learn to draw, and I'm aware of them, in drawing figures, such as proportions, perspective, skeletal frames, muscles, gesture drawing, shadows, depth and tones. If I need to draw I need to study these.
I'm interested in character design. I'll make that my speciallity if I get serious into this.
Are you sure you want to be with a dedicated Otaku who would go through the journey with you? I think life needs balance. AS I said before I am going on 32. No, that does not mean I have a mountain of experience. But lets just say my journey through life began when I dropped out of school at the age of 15 to live with a man who was 21. After that little oops I did not stop to look back, I went on to do worse things. No, no drugs or prositution, but sometimes giving up your body for nothing more than a mere embrace is worse >.<
Through these years which seem like a lifetime, though it has only been 17 years since then, I am on my second marriage with children and everything. My first 'husband' ugh was like me, alot like me in many ways and unlike me in other ways, was an Otaku. We were too similar, which left a big hole in our lives that no one was fulfilling. People need change and like to experience new things, even Otaku's. That's why we get waaaaaaaaay excited when we see a new awsome Anime that we just gotta buy, so we go to the store at like 9 a.m before they even shelf it to buy it. Sometimes getting there a few minutes early looking like a stalker! heeeyaaaah! So even we like new things and change.
Being with someone just like you will only backfire! My husband, though he likes anime, is not an Otaku nor a semi-hikki like I am, which is a good thing. He brings me back to this world every few days just to remind me I am alive and that I am not actually connected to the net like the major in Ghost in the Shell. heh. It's a good thing, otherwise when he's gone, I would have no clue about life, or what to do with myself. ANother thing is that I plan on opening an Anime Cafe (yeah it's forreal not just talk. I have investers) and he helps quite a bit with understanding the non-otaku side of it. Meaning, if I want to have staying power what other things do I need to make the non-otaku enjoy coming. (how does he know all this? He's about to be 40)
SO though you might want an Otaku wife, just remember that even in Taoism, Buddism or what have you (i am non religious so I can't really elaborate) there always needs to be a balance. So instead of looking for someone like you, look for someone not like you, you can teach each other quite a bit and have fun while doing it...
As far as your business... I think drawing Manga is a good Idea. I recently interviewed the creator of MBQ, and the writer for mail order ninja works at my local bookstare. They are both american. There is a market out there for you, but you have to work really hard to make it there.
You've made a few unnecessary assumptions about me. I'm not too clear about your life that you speak of. You have two husbands?
I repeat again, I need a dedicated team of otakus to create some products and sell.
I didn't say I want an otaku wife. Why are you drifting to relationships?
There is a love and romance board dedicated to this. Please go there.
What is MBQ?
Maybe your motivation and objectives and outlook is different, I'm not like you. Even though you keep implying that you are an otaku, I'm not sure about this.
Why bring taoism and buddshism here?
I have more than enough balance of others being against me, why would I look for someone different than me?
On the contrary, I'm trying to balance out, there are just too much difference and competition living in the same space as I am in.
Nope just one husband (though two would be great) and maybe I am not a dedicated Otaku as I do, do other stuff that is non Otaku related. Perhaps I mis read your presious post. It started off when I saw the word love and I suppose I went out on a linb assuming you were talking about that as well.
Yes I know there is a romance board, but when does anyone ever stick to the subject at hand in any thread at all?????
MBQ is a Manga put out by Tokyo Pop created by Felipe Smith.
Perhaps my outlook and motivation is a bit different, as I don't want to be broke doing what I love. Yes, hiring a team of Otaku's could be great. But have you ever thought about that fact that like yourself, these Otakau's probably have a dream of doing something as well that is in the Otaku world... and as much as you think they will be dedicated to YOU and your cause, that it will be actually difficult for them to work for you because as I just said, like you, they probably have a dream they want to realize... and they don't want to work for someone else helping them realize their OWN anime/gaming/manga (or what have you) dream.
I did not mean to incite the wrath of a "real" Otaku person.
I merely want to comment on some things that now, reading back, I was HUGLY mistaken in what you were actually talking about. SO erase about my husband and what have you (though in some ways it is important especially if you have someone you live with who will be undertaking this jouney of business with you)
ahem, I guess back to what YOU were saying. I think it would be better to hire people who are not really Otaku's, that way they will create under your direction without thinking "But it would look better this way".
WHy do you want to sell the product? Is it for your own self satifaction? Or is because you think it is something others will like and that it will add to the world of which you are trying to exist? Since you claim to be a half hikki, I would love to hear your answer. DO hikki's really hang out with a bunch of people and work with them for hours creating something to sell?
I know I don't. Actually most people I talk to on MSN or whereever i talk to them on the net don't hang out with a bunch of people even if they are only half-hikki. So i'm just curious how all this works?
You are probably thinking I just flamed you. ha! tis okay, you thought my last post... which was actually really soft and mabe very drifty was sorta flaming. SO take it as you will, but if you answer, answer my question.
And no, I'm not an Otaku. WHat is an Otaku anyway?
If you keep love and get a kick from disagreeing with me, I'm fine with that. Anyone with a mind would tell that your questions are rhetoric in nature. You think your condescending attitude would get me to consider you seriously?
If you love to disagree with someone who is different than you, then you have learn to tolerate. No one will just going to be like you as you wanted.
You think you could cover up your mocking me by insiniously pretending to be genuine?
Some of what you say are contradictory. Your questions are rhetoric. If I answer you, either way, it would come out as you the better person and you the one who is right.
Your questions are made up which I didn't claim and write in my posts. You asking them out to your advantage for your argument sake.
You can't escape comprehension. I know it. You are here to mock the rest of us who are hikki, half-hikki, or anyone who has the term hikki attached to them.
I would like to tell you that you aren't any better than me or anyothers. You are merely a person like the rest of us who work for somebody else. Please don't get full of yourself.
Your first reply to me was criticising and condescending to me, you can criticise but don't make yourself and others think that your opinions and views are right and gives the impression that no one sane should disagree with you. You making it sound like you are right and up on throne. I wish to remind you that you are not.
As for your future Anime Cafe, I wish you luck, but if you are not careful with anime signs and posters, displays, etc, you may be violating copyright infringement, as the characters you display or used are not owned by you.
you are right about that as far as the logo. It is temporary as I am not so sure what a good logo would be. The background wall paper image is original artwork, but we still don't know what fits best. SO for now we have just left the images until we are ready to trademark and copywright. thanks for pointing it out, and thanks for visiting my site ^.^. And as for my rhetoric, I have to appreciate the fact that you were not as stupid as maybe i thought you might be.
And yes I sit on a throne, and I like it... I see no reason why I don't need a throne...
and you can claim I disagree if you like. You started the flame fest I only wanted to add a little fuel to the fire... it keeps me warm at night when I sleep on my throne. heh
And mock you? no my dear, there are better ways to mock people I assure you. Besides, I could go to 4chan for that if I wanted to simply post inciting things.
But I suppose by this point we are off topic. I step down from my throne and won't post on YOUR thread anymore. The throne is yours now my friend. keep it and goodluck with your art... it's a hard world, if you can't take criticism you will not go very far, and if you can't take a little meandering, then you don't have the patience to do the things you want to do. Have fun finishing school...
But I will suggest for you to e-mail a few creators in the anime/manga world. They are very inviting and excited about other people who are interested in doing the same thing they they do. Yet, as I already know, you will disread what I have just said. Now that is the thing that will not surprise me. But I suppose that is how it is when you sit as high as I do. SInce you are the one who mentioned thrones I guess I should thank you. "Thanks for the throne" polishes it it looks awsome! ^.^
No, I actually didn't visit your site. I didn't realise you put up a link to your name. Now I realised after you mentioned it. I was pointing it out to >>16 where you refer to the cafe.
I can take criticism but not when someone jumps in and incite, as you yourself as said, without second thoughts and consideration to my previous posts. The only redeeming qualities you have is the first two sentence of the last paragraph from >>20.
You are not sitting on a throne, you are sitting on the pointy end of a very high placed broom stick. Does that make you cozy more than adding fuel to your fire? Does that sound funny to you? If it is funny to you, I'm only joking.
it was funny. Whether you be joking or not. you knew I would come back to look as I knew when I said i wasn't going to. and if you claim to not have visited the site for fear of satisfying me, its fine... the broom that I sit on is good enough.
i feel cozy now.
continue with your hikki thread. unless you like playing ping pong with a broom master....
I just wanted to be #23.
wait, wasn't this thread about how me make money for a living?
Make Money? Impossible! IRS hiding on Ebay now, they resonate invisibly from PayPal. They have the jellyjar on the other side of your wall always there, always waiting for you to make the slightest sound. They're coming, they're climbling up my legs....agghhh!
I used to like being USA Citizen. Now I think USA suck. In fact I think USA suck FAT COCK in Front of God!!! USA run by big business puppets, all big companies run by crooks, look at mortgage industry! If you complain or sue, nothing happen! Big corporations just delay and delay until U day in court go away!
IRS have right to seize every bit of your property from now until even after U die. They also levy and lien everything. They have no higher authority.
You really never really own anything. There are so many legal ways for it to be taken from you.
I may kill myself. But then again I'm a coward so maybe not.
What is IRS?
People with power and money control many things. Money makes the world go around. I know nothing about economics, finance, etc. But it seems we all get suckered into positions we have no control of. The big corporations and company play around with the laws to their advantage. Higher ups can mend the laws, they can bullshit their way to get voters to vote for them. I mean who fuckin controls and manages all this laws upon laws of bullshit just to make lower commoners to pay more unnecessary fees and taxes, levies, other bullshit expenses. Its getting more expensive to live, with all the new bullshit fees one need to pay by law just to feed the higher ups. Banks are exploiting the younger generation and crooking with the mortgage industry and landowners. The government owns the lands no other own and release lands. I' m not too sure, may be wrong. Who controls the government? Its people with lots of power and money, big companies and businesses.
Even if you own a property, and you didn't write up a will or have no family to confer your will to, then its goes to the government when you die. Even if you have children who inherited your properties or whatever assets you have, you won't know whether they waste it all or do whatever they want with it. Who knows, if any of you didn't have medical insurance and either of you begin to suffer from life threatening disease, or organ failures, and you don't have money, then you need sell your properties. Another case, if you happen to give birth to a child with serious disabilities or disease, you need lots of money for medical support.
IRS is the Internal Revenue Service, a branch of the Treasury Dept. but is actually a privately-owned company that is contracted by the U.S. Government, they collect Federal Income tax from suckers! Sometimes they make mistakes and bill people for a zillion dollars thus ruining their lives (ahem).
I'm an "AMERICAN HIKIKOMORI". I rarely go out. My room is a mess and I'm a cynical hermit with mental problems. I must owe about $300,000.00 that I can't pay. Part of it I don't owe but corporations and Jew Lawyers think I do.
I do have health insurance and I'm not blind or paralyzed, so I have realized some wisdom in some of what you said. I could have been a guy with no medical insurance that needed a brain transplant or something and THEN I'd be right back in the hole again! Probably for much more than 300K as well.
If you are seriously looking for ways to make money online there are several good ways that kind of feed each other. Buy a few domains, add content, possibly a donations link to paypal and add some GOOD affiliates. There are some affiliate programs that actually pay well and are honest. You can track them with Affiliate tracker programs to make sure they aren't cheating U.
Also, you can buy, sell and trade e-books and sell them on your sites and ebay, amazon, etc. Also if you know a lot about certain things (I damn sure do, all those "How To" Underground books) you can write your own e-books, manuals, etc. in PDF and resell them on interlinked sites for a nominal fee. There are 1000's of books (now converted to e-books) that are public domain or the copyrights have expired, etc.
There are many other ways to make money with your web site. The main thing is you have to attract lotsa HITS and attention. Again, I know many PR ways to do this. If you get enough hits advertisers will start coming to you to pay for an ad space.
Thus endeth Today's Lesson My Brothers & Sisters....
How did you owe that much money, 300K?
How much can be make with those online themes?
Thanks for the info.
Hi, I can't really talk any more about my financial problems. I get too paranoid that somehow someway someone is watching me and is going to do me in.
Selling on ebay or ebook, you can make a lot of money or not-so much money it depends on how hard you work at it, how smart you are and how well you are at getting mass promotion for free or a nominal price. You can do well driving around to garage sales and buying stuff then selling it on ebay. You have to kind of know what kinds of things sell well. Look at other ebay sellers and what they do.
You can also sell REAL books on www.Half.com and ebay. Usually you have to see a lot of books to make a profit but you can buy used books really cheap about everywhere.
You can get a tarot deck, learn the craft and put up auctions for Tarot readings on ebay along with your picture (or someone's) he, he. I noticed these tarot card readers recently
after typing in "Tarot" under ebay. I read Tarot cards too. Not for money so far though.
Tell me more about yourself next time.
~ H
I left post #29 but it didn't post. I cannot go into my financial matters online as it is BAD HAIKU, also it makes me paranoid as hell. Tell me more about yourself. I've been leaving the long posts. Basted Be! Merry Meat! So Mote it Be! ~ Hideo
Well bless my SOLE both posts mave now posted.
Where have the posters gone? This is HIDEOUS !!!
I MUST COMMIT HARI KARI ! I Cham Fong as Chin Ho !
i get government aid. :D
i am 21 years old. have been 100% hikki for 4 years, after that i got outside a bit and had a few crappy jobs... now i am home again, hoping to find a job.
it's very hard to find a job... most places refuse, the unemployment rate in our country is very high... it's only possible to be hired if you have friends or relatives, or if you have a profession (+ experience) that is wanted on the market.
21, web design, no aid currently, just dropped out of education for the third time
>>33
if it is not a secret tell me where are you from?
16, British, not making money yet. Still in college, the best I can achieve is two A levels (not that I'm doing very well at that) and don't know (or think about) what I want to do when I leave.
Apparently, if you're British and diagnosed with certain personality disorders (for example, schizoid) then you can get disability allowance of some kind. Not that I've looked into it.
I live in Metro-Detroit, USA if anyone cares. I live in the suburbs in a "Gated Community" next to Eminem who I have no taste for. My wife has good job in a Union. I'm a crazy hermit "househusband" plus I keep all the household's PCs in top shape and build and modify them. I've gotten to the point that I hate to even go outside and check the mail, much less going to see my psychiatrist. When I have to go out I can't wait to get back in my room and get back on the PC.
I met my wife online by the way. You guys could do that too, find a wife online, preferably a rich one or one with a high paying job, lol.
There must be 5 parallel universes for this same thread I dunno how it's threaded but I can get to different versions of this same named "Hikikomoris/Hikikomori wannabes: How do you make money for a living?" it's kinda like being in the twilight zone.
I have a firm bookmark on my universe now so I come back to the right one. Weird shit!
>>35
sounds kinda like finland, but i'm not sure if it's possible to just stay inside all time coz you gotta see government officials personally sometimes. there could be a way around it though. i'm not 100% sure.
Hi,
I make a good income from home using ebay. it's really fun. When I'm not ebaying I'm making videos. Check em at www.youtube.com/jdrw5 They describe what my strange existance has been like over the last few months. Very eye opening. Pure 20/20.
>>41
even if some one points a gun at my head i wont visit that link.
Really now, how can you make some money even if you are at home?
(even if this means exploiting others, i mean it is all a big conspiracy, the society is the one to blame!)
Well i have no programming skills or something lie that at all:(
I mean there are so many Hikkis, and especially in Japan.
If you have no support by anyone, how can you still live?
( You must eat, pay the electricity bill etc. etc.)
I have the luxury that i can still live with my parents.
But for how long? I feel disgusted with myself, i am really pathethic.
SOrry for that
Fuck the wanabes, why the fuck would you want to be like this?
Why i want to be a Hikki you mean?
I am already one! Can't help.
Very sage. Get a job, assholes.
«Hikikomori wannabees», what the fuck? It is worse then «wannabe loser».
I am both......
I am both......
So I'm in my last week of stationary therapy and am going home soon. It was very helpful for me and even though I know that there will be some tough times ahead, I think I can make it and stay clean for the next few years. It's not my plan to have a relapse some time but one never knows. For now it's my plan to accomblish a lot in my new job (had to quit my studies before therapy because of alcohol) in the next few years and lead a much more active life and not just watch anime and browse boards. I've rediscovered some old hobbies of mine and that alone will help me a lot in fighting my addiction.
So I guess this is a thread to share experiences with alcoholism or any other addiction and to ask questions for people who think they might have a similar problem, know someone with an addiction or are simply interested in the subject.
This is about Hikkies.
If you are an Alcohol-addicted-peson just open your own thread ;)
im depressed at the moment. not 'oh gods, kill me now!!!!' kinda depressed, but regularly bursting into tears.
I've spent many years depressed... i don't know how to fix it, but i have various strategies that help a bit.
Getting help from a counselor/pyschologist or something heps a lot of people. I've seen plenty, and they've never been of any help to me though.
To temporarily feel better, i keep a piece of rose quartz on my desk and hold onto it for a while sometimes if im feeling bad. It always makes me feel a bit better...it puts my heart at ease a bit. Of course, many people would find the idea of doing that ridiculous.
Like animals? If you've got a pet, even if its just a fish or something, spending time with it [ok, watching it if its a fishy lol] usualy makes a person feel a little less miserable.
It's important to be honest with yourself about your feelings or else they'll cause subconcious issues and mess you up badly in the end. If you wanna cry, you should cry.
"Getting help from a counselor/pyschologist "
Lol, all they can do is pump you full with various kind of medicaments, too let you feel better.
For me there is no difference between being drugged then!
Those are all stupid hypocrits of the society, believing they are doing good things, but in the end it changes nothing.
Most of them just think of their own career........-.-
PLEASE GOD, LET A MIRCALE HAPPEN TO ME ONCE AND SEND ME AN ANGEL TO HELP ME!!!
That is the only hope i have, quite pathethic you think? Yeah it is but, this is the only thing i can do.......
The more i think of my life the more i realize that i am a "dame no ningen" (= Failure of human!) like SATOU from NKH.........
get a job nigger get a fucking job
>>53
I have difficulty imagining a black person being hikki. Pop culture has taught me blacks are more likely to go out rappin', pimpin' and shooting someone rather than hiding in his room.
Well i am not of a Black ethnic ;)
I can reveal this much.
>>57 Hi.
I hope you are not joking or trolling around, cause this is a serious matter (yet so sad and pathethic that it is somewhat funny in a different way)!
Wow... >>3 sounds like he could become Otaking of Australia!! Have no other hikki's here watched Otaku no Video? Maybe because of the way the internet has formed, circles like the ones they talk about in this show could be formed and operated online? I think something as big as Gainax could be established by a circle of dedicated hikki's. I know lots of NEETs don't have the dedication for it, but the ones who really are motivated could get things like garage videos or garage games sold. Glove on Fight sold pretty well for a doujin game. I think it can be done.
>>55 Pop culture is the new Encyclopedia, our source of all knowledge, just look at Wikipedia.
I still live with my parents, but I'm going to try to get on Social Security disability.
>>59
If it ain't Japanese doing it, it can't be done.
Stop calling yourself 'Hikikomori'. It doesn't sound cool and it won't earn you any attention.
>>I haven't watched otaku no video yet, but i like the idea of australian otakus/hikkis trying to work on something cool together. Someone try to arrage something, or something!
Time for a new thread. http://4-ch.net/hobby/kareha.pl/1188142631/l50
WTF? I don't remember posting here yet, but that's the exact same position that I am in in life right now ;_;
I've been staying at home doing nothing since i was 14, now im 20. i dont have a job or go to college and im afraid of people.
Just can't trust anyone, been cheated my whole life. I'm technically an adult now but because I missed the social development im still really immature i also still look 16.
>>3
Pretty much the same as me except a bit more excessive and hopeful.
>>67 Just can't trust anyone, been cheated my whole life
Sorry, but basically you mean that you don't trust yourself.
Don't victimize yourself. The fact that you could live 6 years without doing nothing already shows that someone is taking care of you,... Probably not adressing all your problems (that's your job), but at least satisfying your basic needs.
Apart from complaining about other people, what do YOU intend to do, in life? If you could do anything you wanted, what would you do?
I don't trust other people, but I don't find that a good enough excuse to shut myself away from the world.
im >>67
You're right, yes I'm completely pathetic. but I don't know how to stop it.
If I'm locked inside then nobody can hurt me and I cant hurt anyone.
I'm too paranoid,self conscious,anxious etc when im outside. I don't have PTSD but I do have most of the symptoms.
Because I experienced some traumatic events which I can't get over and I can't stop thinking about it.
And I feel completely disgusted and ashamed of myself.
I do want to go to university but theres no subject choices and I'm too introverted to make friends.
Even geeks and rejects don't like me, thats how rejected I am. lol.
Tonight I might try and go outside.
well my parents think I'm mentally unstable and insane but I'm not sure.
I actually think they're the ones who are insane. they have done bad things.
hey I is not a real hiki. I'm just a bit anti social.
Anyway i have a college interview soon but i kinda
hope i dont get in so i can stay at home more.
I don't understand why anybody would want to BE a hikikomori/fake hikikomori.
I'm 21. I have disorganized schizophrenia. I am a "hikikomori" (personally I reject this term) and have been since about 1999, but extremely social phobic my entire life. It's been the worst few years of my life. I would give anything to escape this and act normal; have friends, go out, fuck bitches - even just speak to people. I've wasted 8 years inside my home confined to myself. On one hand it's a sanctuary I never wish to leave except to go out late at night and buy food. On the other, it's my own personal hell I willingly put up with to escape the bullshit of reality.
As for money, since I have schizophrenia I'm able to leech off the government and use disability. It's hardly enough and I barely scrape by every month. I wear rags and eat shit. I have medication to buy which makes it even worse.
Being a "hikikomori" is not fun, I don't get why anybody would desire to be one or claim to be one.
Schizophrenia's a bullshit blanket term used by psychs when they have no fucking clue what's wrong with you.
You have no idea what you're talking about, obviously.
An approach broadly known as the anti-psychiatry movement, most active in the 1960s, opposes the orthodox medical view of schizophrenia as an illness.[156] Psychiatrist Thomas Szasz argued that psychiatric patients are not ill rather individuals with unconventional thoughts and behavior that make society uncomfortable.[157] He argues that society unjustly seeks to control them by classifying their behavior as an illness and forcibly treating them as a method of social control. According to this view, "schizophrenia" does not actually exist but is merely a form of social construction, created by society's concept of what constitutes normality and abnormality. Szasz has never considered himself to be "anti-psychiatry" in the sense of being against psychiatric treatment, but simply believes that treatment should be conducted between consenting adults, rather than imposed upon anyone against his or her will. Similarly, psychiatrists R. D. Laing, Silvano Arieti, Theodore Lidz and Colin Ross[158] have argued that the symptoms of what is called mental illness are comprehensible reactions to impossible demands that society and particularly family life places on some sensitive individuals. Laing, Arieti, Lidz and Ross were notable in valuing the content of psychotic experience as worthy of interpretation, rather than considering it simply as a secondary but essentially meaningless marker of underlying psychological or neurological distress. Laing described eleven case studies of people diagnosed with schizophrenia and argued that the content of their actions and statements was meaningful and logical in the context of their family and life situations.[159] In 1956, Palo Alto, Gregory Bateson and his colleagues Paul Watzlawick, Donald Jackson, and Jay Haley[160] articulated a theory of schizophrenia, related to Laing's work, as stemming from double bind situations where a person receives different or contradictory messages. Madness was therefore an expression of this distress, and should be valued as a cathartic and trans-formative experience. In the books Schizophrenia and the Family and The Origin and Treatment of Schizophrenic Disorders Lidz and his colleagues explain their belief that parental behaviour can result in mental illness in children. Arieti's Interpretation of Schizophrenia won the 1975 scientific National Book Award in the United States.
Was Foucalt involved in the "anti-psychiatry movement" you talk about? Just wondering, because its roughly the same period of time and I know he identified the whole "insane as the other" sort of thing.
Interesting info,... but all of that has been rendered obsolete by current biological knowledge on schizophrenia. 2-3 years ago it was shown with the brain scan fmri method that schizophrenia development is accompanied by abnormal reduction in certain brain areas. These anomalies can also be detected in juvenile forms of the disease.
So schizophrenia is not just a cultural relativism issue. The brain is physiologically sick and taking measurable damage, and this is as objective as measles rashes.
This being said, it is also highly probable that a certain number of conditions may share the umbrella name of schizophrenia because of current lack of knowledge in fully characterizing the disease. So maybe a subset of people currently classified as schizophrenic do not suffer from brain atrophy, and their problems have another origin.
But nobody can seriously claim that schizophrenia is an issue of cultural perspective (unless you are ready to say the same about measles and the flu)
NB Curiously the schizophrenia article in wikipedia does not mention the study I'm talking about, and only cites a 1976 article. I guess I should update that, but I really have to some housekeeping chores today instead of digging litterature
I don't make money myself I just mooch off of other people and enjoy doing so.
sigh The anti-psychiatry movement was naive.
Most people in psychiatric hospitals are not a burden to society but a burden to themselves. They just can't get things to work for themselves no matter how they try.
And I've been there, four years, so I would know.
Very true. I've "had" schizophrenia for a few years now and I've been in the hospital many times. Many of the people are a danger to themselves more than anything. A few have hit doctors but that's to be expected.
Hiki wannabes piss me off, they just try to sound cool, but they aren't real hiki, they have social lives and they go to school or work.
I agree, the wannabes are annoying, I've only recently been able to get over my fear of going into public, I hadden't left my apartment in 3 years, other than to walk down to the corner store at night and buy groceries, there is -nothing- "Cool" or glamorous about being so utterly terrified of going into public, that you shut yourself up in a small apartment for months, if not years.
I'm still really nervous around people, and truth be told, I still don't go out if I can help it, but I can actually go out to the mall to buy things I want, instead of having to order them online, as long as I'm not there for more than an hour or so.
Making money is not easy, I mostly lived off the money I had saved for University, but now that it's gone I've had to go out looking for a decent paying job, which wasn't easy. I'm stocking shelves at a Walmart right now, and I hate it, but I don't see anyway I could do anything in the middle of the day.
I mooch off my family. I have no social life and go to class about half the time, but i'm 26 and still haven't even achieved diploma. Been hospitalized for acute manic psychosis/schizo a couple times. I consider myself a hiki.
I feel much safer confined to my house. The real world is full of rapists and evil people who backstab you and use you. I know that
if I go out something bad will happen to me. Last week I went out and this guy approached me and I ended up seeing him a few times in a week and now he keeps calling me. I'm scared.
You can't work and be a Hikikomori.
Don't be a fucking moron, being a Hikikomori is not cool.
Get a job, and be a man.
If 1 = No: Congratulations, you have a penis.
If 1 = Yes: No, you are lazy, weak, cowardly
and your penis has fallen off because it is ashamed
to know you.Your full of yourself, now get your head out of your asshole.
I was for a yar pretty much, and It was the worst year of my life. It was just a waste of time, I'm glad I applied for college, at least I've regained some social skills.
So it's New Year's Eve here and I'm SO RONERY, I assume all you other anons are too.
no because although I'm 20 I never left home
both parents dead. after i finished college, lived off what i inherited for a few years. i was never a true hikki, i have a handful of friends and even during those years i managed to get out once in a while, but living the lifestyle does make you miserable and its difficult to dig yourself out. for the years i considered myself hikki, i pretty much didnt do anything but play mmos.
>>90
Actually there are plenty of jobs you can do without ever leaving your room. You would have to be skilled and connected first though before ever dreaming of being able to do them. And you'd need to leave sometimes and not look like shit.
I just turned 18, going back to school after 2 years of extreme isolation. Am supported by my mom who works a decent job. Became a shut-in because of distraction in high-school (day dreaming, drawing, Asperger's type shit), failing, and not living up to earlier accomplishments (gifted student, etc.). Still quite self-absorbed, except the social apathy has been slowly diminishing the more I get out (it's turning into social anxiety). I really didn't feel comfortable with anything except patterns and numbers (math basically) and while absent from school I've developed a great passion for it.
I'm 20, turning 21 in two months. haven't gone to college yet.
I don't like to consider myself a hikki, but it seems like the more I try to find another way to describe it, the more I end up describing it.
I guess I should describe my situation. Started before I was in highschool I guess. Back then I didn't realize it, or maybe I did, but didn't want to admit it. I always tried to ditch my friends and just returned home from junior high. This wasn't much, but I think it may have lead to my current situation.
During HS, I didn't make much in the way of friends. The friends I did make weren't people I hung out with after school or anything, just people I knew in school, I didn't really date much, or rather, at all. People did call me rather unsociable then. The friends I had in junior high had drifted apart from me, or rather, I drifted from them.
It was like that for 4 years. Surprisingly. I had a girlfriend, but it was an internet relationship. I was really lonely back then, and I accepted anything. It lasted one year, and when I look back now, I realize how much of a bitch she was.
She broke up with me before my senior prom, so I though maybe I can change my ways if I go. No, not really, a girl I talked to tried to help, and I thank her for it, but she failed to get me fully out of my shell.
So I graduated. And stayed at home with my father. who worked almost 24/7 So I was basically alone. I sat in my room, my only contact with the outside world was the internet. I had cousins and even a friend right next door, but I drifted from them too. I never went outside, the only times I did was to head to the store to grab a snack. I dreaded it.
I rarely took a shower, I had to force myself to take one atleast once a week.
I had a problem with schooling, I wasn't sure what I was gonna do since I didn't register for college. I thought maybe I could work for a year then register for college during it. But during the summer, I still had no job. My father figured it may be best to send me to my mother. That I may enjoy a change a scenery and be more independent that way. She lived in the country, so a person had to learn things they wouldn't normally do in a huge city where I once lived.
I moved in late July'05.
So there I was, at my mother's with the rest of the family. What was I going to do? The first mission for me was to get a job. But in order to do that, I would need to learn how to drive, since driving was imperative down in the country when compared with the public transportation I had a luxury of choosing from in the city. It took me more than a month to get my permit. Which is pretty long considering it was only the permit, a paper test I needed to take and could have taken had I quit stalling. Something I have a horrible habit of doing.
Once I got my permit, I just needed experience. however, experience came in long bouts of cycles. Whenever I was ready to drive my mother wasn't, when my mother was, I wasn't ready. This was mostly due to my sleeping habits. habits I find hard to change. I stayed awake until 4am back then, and woke at 11 or 12pm. my mother woke at 6am and came back home to sleep or do various things after dropping off my siblings at school if they had missed the bus.
It took me a year to get my license, a year. It shouldn't have took that long, especially with my search for a job. I obviously didn't get a job until I got my license. I first applied to Walmart, I recieved no calls. I applied to, well, truthfully, I only applied to walmart. I wanted a job badly, but I, for some reason, was hesitant, about filing out applications. I really did want one, but I seemed to not be agressive about it. Later, a friend of my brother's gave me info that a fast food resturant he worked at was hiring. I drove with him to it, filled out an application, and talked with the manager. He wanted to see me the day after, early morning.
I was kinda happy, and scared about it. But I went to sleep and prepared myself. Everyone in my family, especially my father, was happy about it. And at the same time, everyone seemed amazed. I hated that amazement, but sadly understood it. The morning came, and as if the devil himself wanted me to suffer. I couldn't get there. the keys to the car were missing. On the important day, the keys were missing and couldn't be found. My family looked everywhere for them. I even thought about walking to the job, but even though it was a short distance by car, it was a long distance by foot. and I was already late. I ended up calling the restuarant manager and telling him the situation. He said it was ok, and that if they ever needed me, they would call back. of course, they didn't.
week after, I filled out another application to a retail chain, sadly, no luck. I got an application for another fast food chain, but never filled it out. I wanted a job, I really truly did. But at the same time, I never placed effort into getting one. I thought maybe something was wrong with me, maybe I have ADD, maybe I'm depressed, or lack motivation. I don't know, and still don't know.
I think my luck somewhat changed around Nov '06 When I finally heard of some temp agency through an extended family member. I applied. and while I had a little mishap with them and the first job. I got the second one right. My first day was unloading things of a truck. It was cold, but I did the job the best I could. I found it tedious, and boring, and my fingers hurt from the cold. But atleast I was working, I was going to get a paycheck and finally help my family out. I was actually somewhat proud of myself. I knew secretly, everyone looked down on me. especially on my mother's side. She considered me a hermit, unsociable and weak. And I was finally proving them wrong. I was no longer always home, and never out. I could proudly say I had a job and that I couldn't do one thing because I had work the next day.
The people at work were friendly. I liked them all, well, except for one guy, but that was because he blamed me for something I just didn't do. I brushed him off. Anyway, They were for the most part, very friendly. Some even invited me to dates and parties when it came friday. I declined. Why? I'm not sure, I guess I was still scared of meeting new people. I wanted to, but I was too scared. I especially wanted to meet girls. But as I said, I was scared, atleast I think I was.
2007 came and I was still working, I had actually planned to quit working so that I could go to school, but things didn't pan out so I continued working. It came to the end of April, I left my job. Why? I was trying desperately to get into college. however, the college of my choice never sent a response back, and the second college of my choice... well, I blame it somewhat on my ineptness, stalling, and the rest on my high school's way of doing things. So I was stuck jobless and no school. Limbo. After leaving so soon, going back to the job with such a goodbye they gave me felt... bad. I didn't want to go back, but wanted to.
The guys there, I felt like some of us were becoming actual friends, especially this one cool guy who him and me would normally play games with, I somehow lost 99% of the time.
But fate hates me. I didn't want to swallow my pride and go back.
I haven't had a job since, I haven't tried to register to school either. I felt like registering is too much of a bother now. since I'm just going to be feed the same bullshit I was feed last time with my HS sending my papers. I figured maybe it would be better if I got a GED and used that instead. My mother was against it.
My new plan is to get a job fulltime and to go to school partime. But I'm still in limbo. My family desperately needs some added income. I want to work, but something holds me back. I haven't filled out an application, even though I have one in front of me and another two can be filled on the internet for my convenience. Something holds me back and I can't figure out what. I could say it's fear, but what am I afraid of? What? What?! WHAT!?
I barely step outside nowadays. barely take a shower. I force myself to take one atleast once a week. I stay up until 6am. I try to go to bed earlier, but It's hard. I'm taking St. John's Wort in the hope that maybe it may help me, but it's not working. I want to see a doctor, but that would cost money, money my family doesn't have. And as I sit here typing this thing out. I'm tearing up, trying not to cry. I hate this life, I really do. But there doesn't seem to be a way out. It seems almost impossible to get out off. I tried searching for some help online but I don't know what to search for...
I'm stuck. And it may be because of my serious lack of motivation. Something I've tried to help mutiple times but can't overcome. It's too great an obstacle for me. it really is.
I don't even know why I'm posting this here, I guess because it's anonymous, that I'm trying to cry for help amongst the only people I want to know that I have a problem. And you guys, may be people who actually have a solution. although I doubt it. who knows though.
'mylifeneedshelp' I have a few ideas for you, these are pretty basic.
First is try to get some exercise, even if its inside your house, but better yet take a walk around the block, at night and no-one is around, if its hard for you.
Break down everything you need to do into smaller jobs. With that application, fill out just a line for now.
Plan everything in advance, say fill in a line of your application at 11am, another line at 12pm, another at 1pm, you get the picture. As you complete one job, the following become easier and easier, you just need to take that first step, and follow it with a second, like learning to walk again.
I do think you are depressed, look around this site, particularly this page for some potential self-help, using cognitive behavior therapy, since you can't afford a doctor, you can try things to improve even if it only helps a little.
http://cbtexplained.com/activate.php
Well, thats my measly contribution, if I think of anything more useful, I'll post it.
I WILL go outside today.
>>105
Thanks. I really don't think I'm depressed, since it doesn't seem like I fit the symptoms, but that could just be because I'm not objective. Since that post though, I'm somewhat taken your advice, I went out and ran. My legs are still aching a bit, today I did some arm exercises. Tomorrow I'll run again. Right now it's only at night, when the least amount of people are out, but I hope it helps. I really do want to get out and all, even if it's just for work. I haven't filled out an application though. But I'll try... the only problem though is when they ask for references. heh.
Why?
My trick when I attempt to venture outdoors is to go out late at night when the city is asleep. While I'm a bit more paranoid, I'm less anxious. Or something.
I dunno what to classify my self as. I can go outside and talk to people; I don't really have a problem with that. It's just that I hate doing anything. Everything I do is half-assed. I love being in my room. I wish everything outside would dissapear. I hate everything outside of my house. I love anime. I want to be free like that someday. Not literally of course cause anime is just a drawn tv show. I want to be able to venture out and do the things I want to do. (I just stumbled upon this board so yea haha) I was reading in earlier posts about creating anime. I would love to do that. I wouldn't need to be paid anything; just the fact of working on something like that would be enough for me. I don't have any talents. I can't draw, I can't do really anything with the computer, all I can do is think of these stories that always play out in my head. With me though I'm split in two. The only way I can cope with my friends outside is to lie about everything. I lead like a double-life. To them I'm someone else than I actually am. If they knew what I did when I wasn't hanging out with them; they'd probably think I was some kinda weirdo, but it gets me by. Slowly but surely I'm molding the two together, but I don't know how much longer I can hold up. I want to break haha. As for income; I don't work (17) I sorta mooch off my dad (My mom passed a couple years ago) not really mooch. He provides the necessities to live thats about it. Oh and inter-tubes XD Well hopefully someone will reply cause this is the first time I've ever posted about this in my life... or even said something like this to anyone. Normally it's all bottled up in my head....which sucks.
>>111
I'm about 20 now.
It hasn't been long since I was your age, but I was a lot different than I am now - my life was quite a bit like yours.
The only difference is that I did go out sometimes, but I was in the same mood.
I think you're being a bit too heavy with yourself. Why not take yourself a little more lightly? You're 17, you don't have to be a genius or a social prodigy. Maybe this pressure you've developed is what keeps you from enjoying "life outside". So what if you spend most of your time in your computer? Looking back, I realize that this is what actually almost everyone I knew then did. From the geeks to the most popular girls (MSN, Orkut, MySpace, etc). So there really isn't a problem with that, and there was, it's your life, no one's got shit to do with your free time, right?
Something I used to do a lot, and made me feel better (and know some people too) was to just go out randomly sometimes. I"d get home from school, eat something, change my clothes, and go out, anywhere. It was good.
So, take it easy. Things can be funnier, but you've gotta be funnier too (that is, you gotta be a little less worried or negative).
my government pays me, and will continue to pay me for about 15 months. i don't know what will happen after that. i'm studying at home, though the last 6 months were filled with drugs and non-stop internet use. i'm ruining my life.
it's just that from the moment you learn to accept you will never know love, accepting you will never have a decent socio-economical status becomes rather easy in comparison. also, i'm living in a socialist country (which is why my government still pays for studying at age 23) so i might actually survive without regular employment. i haven't checked that out though. if i were certain i could be living this life till i die without consequences, i would have no motivation anymore for studying at all.
i've come from far greater depths. today i'm not paranoid anymore, i'm not a drug addict anymore, i can talk to strangers, i can socialize, etc... all things i have done great efforts for to learn on my own. still, without love i still don't feel an incentive to leave this room, even though i'm perfectly able to.
oh well, we'll see what happens. i can't deny that deep down my masochistic self is rather enjoying this whole situation. it's one of those few occasions for which self-loathing has a use.
Female Hikikomori sucks. Young female Hikikomori sucks worse.
Under 14. I haven't left the house for anything but a routine doctor visit in four - six months. Even then, I was on fucking edge. Being terrified to leave your own home, or even your own room, is awful. I'm fairly sure this shit resulted from subsequent mental abuse from my family- Which makes it even more frustrating. PTSD. Being scared of people isn't cool. My education is failing, and I have nearly exhausted my options as far as future work. Life sucks.
>>114
You could get decent money from doing self-shot solo porn (Like Ishotmyself.com for example).
Doesn't matter if ur fat, hairy, have small tits, anything. There is a niche for everyone
> Female Hikikomori sucks. Young female Hikikomori sucks worse.
why?
>>114
You don't have PTSD. That's an insulting thing to say. You get PTSD from watching people die, or getting tortured-- not from your parents being mean to you, no matter how mean they are.
I don't doubt that you have anxiety about leaving the house. This is a recognized social problem in Japan and I'm sure in the 21st century it will become more prevalent in America as well. (You might be interested in learning Japanese to translate the popular literature on the subject.) The origins of this anxiety are not well understood, but it is generally believed that they result from being very shy in general, not from parental trauma.
>>115
Don't tell a 13 year old to get into porn, especially someone who is already shy. That's extremely demeaning.
Im not Japanese so i don't exactly qualify, but when i was 14 i had quite bad agoraphobia and didn't leave the house for around 6 months, i was eventually put into care, its something you really need to overcome cause its a sucky way to spend your life, i just used to sit in bed all day and obsessively play final fantasy 8.
I had no internet either haha, I'm 19 now and don't have much anxiety anymore but i have bipolar 2 with mild psychosis, i am on the invalids benefit so me and my partner get around $500 pw for food and accommodation and stuff and i also am aloud to work around 12 hours a week but i have to have stuff signed from my doctor to say i can, But i also make dresses and things for people
so yeah, if you want to get better you need to get in touch with some doctors and people that can help you, possibly go on something like prozac/citalapram for anxiety maybe even vallium for the first few weeks of leaving as it will be intense
I work online.
>>114
Don't ditch everybody just yet. You're still young and there are good people out there if you look really hard.
You sound like my kind of girl. I prefer people who keep to themselves, not the obnoxious loudmouth whores who I have to put up with.
Yo yo yo
Long time hikikomori here, dropped out of the 5th grade and have been a hiki since.
I started therapy, so wish me luck, maybe I can become normal again!
I work for a company in my country doing textures and stuff for them, i don't need to go out of my house too.
thats my shit! man feels good when you know there other people like you. Im not sure us hikkis can be normal again. those fake extrovert smiles piss me off. another thing is it is not fucking cool to be no damn hikki just cause youve seen it somewhere. I spend most of my time watching anime getting bitched at for something I have no control and Im a hypocrite, to no surprise, because I still wanna believe theres a place for me in society, true desu ka ne?
truth is you cant because people will laugh and criticize you because 1 either they dont like it 2 theyve never seen such behavior and they will force you to conform to theyre ways. Ex. its like trying to tell another person there religion is wrong ne? so why should i conform to something I dont like 1 because I dont want to 2 because I cant. just like there are extroverts doesnt mean there shouldnt be any introverts. then its a never ending feud because I might criticize aswell myself.
life is the matrix dont die for it.its all a fantasy man im telling you.there is a possobility you might never know true love so might as well be a hikki and live free.extroverts and introverts live different lives. there is nobody out there who will help you and give a fuck. trust me man ive seen hatred. live for yourself and dont show other people what you can do. there bound to clown on you anyway as if they know life and death. so live free I say.
I just realized its okay to be introverted I think I became a hikki cause people thought I was weird and didnt like it so thus oppression from extroverts. you dont have to conform to society its a bitch cause people dont like it. it may be superficial but I think you have to be a bit extrovert to help your introvertedness cause a lot of people misinterpret or misunderstand introverts. to take it lightly people dont know what to say to us and introverts try to clear the tension by having a talk
something we clearly suck at so thus a hikki was born. I think it is alright if you accept you like being alone most of the time like spike spiegel, nagato yuki, or ayanami rei. consider yourself a bookworm. I bet most of us value thinking, ideas, and analyzing.I take anime like reading a book, different genres, stories etc. you dig if you dont have friends dont worry about it in life you only keep a few bout 2 or 3. Im being serious the way I seen shit work out here in LA man only a few good friends take
care of each other. Im 19 and Ive got bout 5 friends the rest is people I just know. I only kick it with bout those 5 and thats it.
ive been a shuttin for 4 plus years, I read a lot of articles about hikikomoris and agoraphobics and all the so called experts seem way off, im 24 now and work online for chacha making around 10 bucks a day. I think part of my problem is I am unhappy with living an ordinary(wasteful) life filled with stress. I am a bit of a misanthrope but at the same time I long for people. If I could go further away I would, ive never been suicidal tho. Anyway thats my two cents worth of ramblings, its a lot more complicated tho and it is difficult to map it all out.
"Wannabe hikkikomoris" are the same people here who call themselves "introverted". They just want a glamorous name for being socially retarded.
>>134
Please. Being introverted has nothing to do without being socially retarded.
But "wannabe hikkikomoris" is stupid, that said. It's like saying "wannabe depressives" or "wannabe lunatics", or "wanna shoot myself in the foot".
I'm not a hikikomori anymore, but I'm still fucked up and socially isolated.
Can't remember if I made this topic, but if I did I meant it as sort of an insult. In the way that a lot of people wanted to call themselves "hikkikomori" even if it wasn't the proper phrase.
lol metro detroit, im there too
thats funny though, i hope to be in your same situation with a wife thats the breadwinner
ive always wanted to be a housedad :D
i am 21 from england and havnt been out for the majority of 5 years now. How has anyone else recovered from spending so much time alone?
what jobs do you do? do you still live with family?
to anonymous 134 if I wanted attention I wouldnt be writing a fuckin essay now would I. I am here because I wouldnt purposely act like a fuckin moron and humiliate myself. Its called phobia and the shit I experience I wouldnt lie bout it just for someone to tell me its gonna be alright when the superficial reality is nobody gives a fuck if you die. I just wanna live my life without this shit. like I said I live in LA and bout 75% of the fuckin US is extroverted.
the world has problems you know even you or unless youre a fuckin bully ignorant to the other side of the situation. the US is too conservative think about it not to long ago americans thought homos were sexual predators in search for your bootyhole. chemical imbalance in your brain is a biological disorder like a person who has no legs and for example they get mad at the fool because he cant play soccer so is this his fault no its absurd.
having that name, hikikomori, is not glamorous at all when everyday you wake desparing over what if. do some research before you come in here insulting and underestimating people like I do to emos who cut themselves cuz they saw a dead bird lol. waking up to only suffering is cool man? fuck off. its only despair when you cant do a goddamn thing when your fighting insanity but watch it like watching someone get killed or traumatized and then being catatonic.
1 bad day can make you go mad like having 6 years of past horrors overload your mind in a mere 30 seconds leaving you helpless when your brain doesnt do what you tell it. and I think, oh man, Im a hikikomori because it sounds cool. tell me this what kind of cool does a 19 yr old have to show to people who despise him? what do I gain? I am socially inept not because I wanted to but because 1 bad day can make you forget the rules.
one more thing hikikomoris dont know how to act in society so they shut themselves in. sides with everything lost and no friends I value this pain and I believe I havent been born a second time that is why Im in this dilemna. dont think were just some winnies cause we shut ourselves in. Ive done some shit Ive had my girlfriends, Ive had my sessions hotboxing. Its just that one bad day that did it all.
by the way did anyone get intel on the dude who killed three people and injured 20 who dressed and called himself the joker, you know batman, apparently he also laughed like him when they interrogated him.
I hope you're not writing an essay, your writing style is awful. Also leaps of logic lol.
thanx man. I do that alot. but if you want to insult me go ahead Im through with playing the arrogant asshole who think they are always correct. one thing is for sure, your helping me fight back.
>the arrogant asshole who think they are always correct
Funnily enough, that's exactly how you sound.
That said, it takes nothing out of your suffering I guess, but I really think you need to chill out and stop thinking too much with yourself.
Does anyone recommend any online jobs? I still have trouble walking outside...
>>149
One good work that doesn't involve getting out is tech support and/or order taking, some companies allow work from home. You'll still need to be able to talk to people over the phone, but it's not like you'll need to do chit chat.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/inventory-12-famous-living-recluses,1983/
Rather than being a hikikomori, I've always wanted to be a recluse in the mold of these fellows. Fame is a bit of a requisite, though.
>>150 Do you need an online degree? How about forex?
I just re-enrolled in high school for the first time in 4 years i'm rlly nervous i've spent 2 of those 4 years locked up in my room never going outside or talking to anyone.
Not much of a hikokimori now but i have some expirience.
Sysadmin - you do most stuff online and when you have to go fix something personally you just come, do your stuff, leave and its enough
Online trade - ebay and alike - ocassional visits to post office is manageable
I leech from my parents or should i say my hardworking mom.
Still living with her and doing nothing to help her.
well I've come out of that situation where I'm not that scared to go out anymore. One day I just said fuck it, because I'm a man I will go out, get a job, do that sort. I'm putting my ideas bout people in play, and also made a new discovery, I usually only cared bout my own happiness but then started helping people out and someone said thanx. It was probably the first time I heard anyone thank me in such a manner, I guess it mattered because it came from the heart, lmfao. Yeah stupid but even these little things can help you along the way, though i have no sense of moral justice, it doesn't hurt to want to help others. It's take care of your own hide or sacrafice yourself to help others, dunno, it's its own reward.
>>156 this is gold ^_^
But you're right, hikikomori are very self-centered people, just like any depressive person.
>>137
What, because the term is Japanese? Hikikomori is not a term that only applies to Japanese people. It's a Japanese term, but the Japanese would use it to describe a similar situation in any other country.
That's like saying I can't call myself Hakujin (white person) because it is a Japanese term and I am a white person. Language is just language, douchebag.
When I lived in London I didn't leave the house, except to walk my dog at 2am, for several years.
Now I live in a very remote house in Scotland, 35 miles from town and 3 miles from the nearest neighbour. The remoteness means I obviously still have some severe social problems but, being on the edge of the largest wilderness area in the UK, I can actually leave the house without fear of being robbed, judged or humiliated.
I review PhD papers and do some proof reading. The money isn't great, but I get by and the rents up here are absurdly low.
Proof reading is a great way of making money at home, but beware the 'proof-reading course' scams.
I get referred to as a hermit. I do freelance comics from home and on the rare occasion will venture out to help little old ladies with computer problems (sadly that pays a lot better than the comics I put so much work into). Still doesn't make me nearly enough to move out of my parents' place. One of my friends has been trying to get me into Forex recently.
I frequently take long walks sometime between 3am and sunrise when there are the least amount of people milling about. I live in NYC so it's almost impossible not to avoid people completely.
I work, a lot. I save up money. When i have enough, I retreat.
I haven't been touched by a sun beam, or moon beam in almost four years. Literally, I have been in one room. A friend of mine brings me food, good food, very healthy.
I am socially masterful. I am very hard working, and highly skilled. I attract many friends, and lovers. I am admired by many, and even arouse jealousy in others.
I retreat because people make me sad. I feel their fear, their sadism, and the death behind their eyes. I can't take it. It drives me insane, and makes me suicidal. I retreat to survive.
I'm just learning this hikki term, and I'm not like the people I've see portrayed. First of all, I refuse to play video games. I love them, but it's just too numbing, to powerful.
I've been locked up in my room for about 4 years, not attending college & have no job. When around people I always believe everyone is mocking me and out to make me miserable. I sleep until 4pm, and sleep at 7am. I want to change how I am, but whenever im close to it I begin to think how it's all just going to fuck up and hurt me even more, so I just stay right where i'm at, where it's safe. I've been looking around the past couple of days for people going thru the same thing, came across the whole Hikikomori thing and all that. Since then i've been feeling alot more positive, probably because i'm basically able to have an outside look on myself. Well dinner's at the door so Im off to grab it.
>>162 I surmise you live by your parents. Do you know how they manage to put up with those 4 years? Don't they tell you something? Not even to share house chores? Do you actually speak with your parents?
I actually live with them. And we really don't talk much at all
Mom usually tries to startup conversation with me, rare occasions my father does too. They tell me I need to get out, I have so much potential but I don't believe that i'm frightened of the world and I think they realized that and is most likely the reason why they continue to put up with it. Don't get me wrong, Im aware that i'm most likely hurting them by being like this, and I do love them both dearly I know they care about me. I don't enjoy being like this more so doing this to them. I've posted here randomly not to be some wannabe or be ridiculed but to find some help some advice something that could help. I can't talk like this in person, and even writing all this is still hard for me. Im already thinking how all of you will laugh, ridicule me.
>>165 don't worry, my point is not to ridicule you, I know that you are in pain and suffering, that this is something very serious. It's just that since you wished to speak about yourself, I wanted to understand better your situation. BTW, do you have siblings?
My first advice to you would be to go see a psychologist, someone who can help you on your anxieties and depression. My second advice would be that you start investigating on the net (and perhaps talking to your parents) about about getting an education/training based on mentoring, which means that you are being followed on a one to one basis by your educator. This would allow you a soft re-entry into society, rather than just join a big faceless education/job system. Inform yourself about what's available to you in your surroundings, and chose your favorite option.
Anyway, don't think your problem is ridiculous or unique. Many people suffer from it, sometimes very talented ones (Nick Drake comes to mind, check him out on wikipedia). You need help, and an adapted form of education and training, just like a myopic person needs glasses to see correctly.
I'm going to look into mentoring and try to see a psychologist. Also I do have a younger sister, thank you for the advice and taking time to help a random person :D I really appreciate it, and tho I don't know you it means alot. I will keep you updated
>>167 It's my pleasure. Do keep us posted on your situation, I'm interested in seeing how you progress, and perhaps we can provide you with some useful input. But open a new thread dedicated to your situation, as this one deals with a specific and limited question.
>tho I don't know you it means alot
Sure, people are not just crap, they can help you if you let yourself be helped.
This thread depresses me
>>166
I googled mentoring for my area after reading this and only found stuff I would never want to do (like plumbing)
where do I look for more info?
In regards to the original topic. I leech off my wealthy parents, i think it is one of the contributing factors as to why i became hikkimori, was because life, love and society got too much for me and instead of fighting for my survival i just retreated back to the comfort of my old home/room. I've been here for 2 nearly 3 years, barely leaving the house let alone my room. I'm now 27 and feel too old to re-enter society. I over indulge in various forms of escapism, books, anime, video-games, the internet and of course porn. yeah like most hikki's i've struggled with anxiety prior to sad and selfish lifestyle.
I'm a hikky, but go to work. But i don't get much contact to other people there... so it's a win/fail situation for a hikky.
Well, atleast not a NEET. orz
>>174
go back to /b/
also why not work, it's like recovering. it was worser before for me.. still not the best yet.
Yes because you can go to work while being locked inside your room right? Gee, just because you're a shut-in does not mean you are a hikikomori. If you don't know what it means, don't use it.
I just got a job today. It's my first job in four years. I deliver pizza for a gourmet pizzeria in the downtown area of where I live. I'm 22 and before this all I've done is fast food industry stuff. When I was 16 I got my first job and hated it. I hate working, I wish I was a genius so I could think up a way to never have to work again. All I want to do is stay in my room and read my books, study and work towards a degree. But I don't have the money for school, I can't get a scholarship and for some reason I keep failing to get grants. I used some money I had saved up and bought an RV. I used to live at a camp ground, that was a pretty cool time in my life. Now I'm parked in my mom's back yard and I have to shit in the woods because my holding tanks fill up. I hate my life sometimes but then I think about all the ways that it's better than most peoples. I OWN my friggin road-house, I have a pretty cool lifestyle and once I get back on my feet I wont have to shit in the woods anymore. Delivering pizza is a nice job and I get to see some pretty weird shit. My job before this was delivering chinese food around the same area and I got to meet strippers, hookers, crack whores and homeless people on a day-to-day basis. It's a fun way to pass the time and make money. But I need a hobby, cause when I'm not working I'm jerkin off and my dick is getting pretty raw. Maybe I'll start building gundam models for my cock's sake. I know people that enjoy that and they seem like cool people. Oh, sorry for rambling, I do that often. I have to go back to work now.
>>178
troll?
if not, in which country do you lifte?
>>177
A hikkikomori is, by Japanese standards, someone who hasn't left his or her house in excess of six months. Going OUTSIDE to work means you have left the house, engaged in actual activities. Outside of your house. Which is not in your room. Which means you are a "recovering" "hikki", or just a dumbass who wishes he can label himself so he's speshul and more Japanese.
I thought this place was merely visited by people with some degree of intelect, since they tend to care about the facts somewhat. Too bad this is going down the dumps too.
I live in the good'ol USA.
You kids and your elitist vocabulary. :3 I'll probably get flamed and told to goto hell for this BUT since hikkikiomori and shut-in basically mean the same thing can we just agree to use the ladder and end this nonsense? How many of us are actually japanese? Most of us are probably american and european. Why not embrace our own culture and stop being parasites. Living in this fantasy where you're a hikkiomori ota, just because you think it's cool isn't helping you recover from this illness you like to label yourself with.
Now if after reading this paragraph you have a moment of clarity do not be alarmed. This indicates only that you're still sane and that there is hope for you.
Although I agree with you that giving yourself Zapanese labels is retarded. I am, and very much would like to keep beeing a parasite. Also, embracing your own culture and another culture with no problem. hurr
Oh I wasn't saying, or didn't mean to imply, that one couldn't embrace a foreign culture and lead a healthy lifestyle but I do see it causing an identity crisis here. You're going to keep running between the butt cheeks of society like a trapped gerbil if you don't come to terms with reality.
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I know that this thread is ancient, but I'll post anyway.
I don't like going outside and when I do get coerced into leaving my room, I usually end up sweating profusely like I'm in a sauna and get really nervous.
I hate leaving my room, even to use the bathroom (which I then turn to empty water bottles), and when I have to shit I either wait until night when everyone is asleep or wait till I'm sure nobody will see me.
I want to kill myself since I've already dropped out of highschool and I know that I won't ever do anything with my life.
Rich parents. The cure for all your blues.
I really wanted to be Hiki one more time but my parents would rather killed me, so i was obligated to enter a college or make slave job .
I truly belive Hiki being the noblest way of life, fuck them! I dont want nothing from society at all, just living playing Eroge, reading manga and watching anime this is all i need to live a happy life, 3d girls ? they should all just die.
>>188
Die in a fire.
>>189
You're thinking of NEETs', not hikkis', retard.
Is it so hard to understand that people who do anything to avoid even the slightest human contact by shutting themselves in their rooms, and even going so far as to piss in a fucking bottle to avoid people. It's not a temporary thing, it's not something you do because of a job, it's not something you do because it's fun. It's something you do out of pure fear, the kind of fear that you would much rather die than let a single person see you no matter who it is.
It's a horrible way to live and any semi-intelligent hikki knows this, which is why they turn to suicide, and if they can't do it then they know that it's just more time that they have to live a lonely, miserable, and pathetic existence until they either somehow manage to change themselves or just die. They usually die.
Drop the 'hikikomori', seriously. Just being a nerd living with your parents doesn't make you part of the big sociological problem that it is. Also there's a perfectly nice english term for it that we all are familiar with: NEET. And you guys that are studying don't even meet the requirements to be that either.
Hikki =/ NEET guis, seriously.
>>192 I'll take that. Sorry for the stupid post, it was in fucking terrible taste.
Question.. why not find a profession without the test-taking anxiety? like take up crafting leather (for real), making platemail, or moving somewhere remote and working as a forest ranger? There are lots of hiking/running hobbyists out there who wont talk your ear off.. sometimes a good long walk helps put it all into perspective. There are so many ways to live life.. don't buy the blue-print to success BS. Most people who look happy are really miserable.
BTW 27 years old is NOT useless. That's way young to be giving up. Lots of people respecialize or go back to school around 30 to try a new career path. The dirty secret is, after this last recession, the concept of a "career" is obsolete. Everyone's going to be freelanced/contracted labor eventually because thats how companys save money.
As a hiki or neet, you have advantages. You're ok living in smaller quarters, longer attention span, attention to patterns & detail, can live in remote places extros wouldn't dare, and you can get paid more by working night jobs which are generally undesirable to day-walkers. You just got to stop criticizing the character traits that make up who you are now, figure out what kind of critter you are, and get better at finding your tribe. Best of luck in your quest ~ you're not alone.
Sidenote about introverted character traits.. you realize (unless you have a kid) that you're at the end of your evolutionary line. If these character traits were so useless and bad, they would have been bred out of the gene pool centuries ago! There's a functional reason why you have the traits you do, which in different times could have meant you might have been the village shaman, scholar, night watchman, or ranger. Its really a shame how modern medicine tries to label everything a disease. You are a unique lifeform and the sooner you appreciate your rare gift of seeing things for what they are.. rather than what other people want you to see.. the sooner you can come to terms with how truly dissociative human societies are.
this thread is over a year old but ill post anyway
i have always lived in fear of being seen by other people and so i shut myself off from any human contact what so ever
i dont have any friends
and i stay at home all the time
maybe it all started because i was too smart
i could see peoples face and read their minds i knew exactly what they thought about me i could see disgust and anger in their faces
and this grew on
but being that smart has its ups and downs
i knew i couldnt live in fear all the time and if i continued to live like i did i would surely end my life
even though making money off the internet made ends meet
i knew it wasnt enough
so i came up with a way to deal with it
i started going out starting with a few minutes by shutting off other people in my mind
i stopped seeing other peoples faces and reading their body language and how they reacted to me
for me when i went out it was only me
and so i continued my routine and i'm glad to say that i'm over it if not totally or completely
now i can go out and interact with other people
which far more than what i could do when i was cooped up at home
hope any one who reads it will understand and implement what i have done so that it can help you as well
if not come up with an easier solution much preferable to you like i did and come out.
>>193
"Hikikomori" carries certain connotations that fit people here. We certainly meet the Japanese Ministry of Health's definition of what a hikikomori is. We are using it as a loan word, just as the Japanese took "NEET" from the UK. It's not just some half-baked attempt to feel Wapanese and important, though there's that too.
I don't know if I'm a hiki, despite the fact that I don't leave my room, except when it's absolutely necessary (like for buying food or going to the bathroom). It's not like I don't want to do anything, but it just feels so pointless to muster all this energy and get out of my room, when there's no one who cares what you're doing (not even yourself). I could just lie in my bed and stare on the ceiling all day, my head feels so empty and I doubt that I feel like any other person around me. Everything I do or try is so useless, as if it'd matter if I graduate properly, because there's not even the slightest chance that I'll be able to get a decent occupation or go to university. I don't think that I could face all these alien people, who think that shut-ins should just stop being lazy and get a job. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be no shut-ins anymore. I don't stay in my room, because it's so damn funny or because I'm too lazy to go outside. There's a difference between being an lazy idiot, who thinks it's cool to live on the expenses of his parents and a real hikikomori, who has no other choice than to stay inside, because he feels there's no other place where he can feel safe.
My country has an amazing welfare system. If you're willing to live with a very low income, you don't have to work. All you have to do is fill up a form every month and submit it. The government pays for an apartment and gives you enough to pay your bills and food. Usually they try to encourage you into education or apprenticeship, you can just flat out deny them, but if you go you get more money.
Live alone, get money from parents. Theyre hate me, hehe
hikkimotri since 1999 only had 3 odd jobs no college leave with mom. my life is getting owrst by the day and n
my last rope.
>>207
If I asked you to improve your English, it'd be like someone asking me to buckle down and finish high school math. We're the same, you and me. I just have more pretensions.
ssdhdfag
I am a hiki with zero prospects and an intense disinterest in engaging reality. I need to make some money. I would try to scam people on kickstarter but I am also a coward! Suggestions welcome.
I am working as part-time prostitute :D
Why was my post deleted?
>213
Just because you don't agree with a post doesn't give you the right to delete it and silence debate like a jew
I can't think of anything and soon I'll end up on the streets
All the doors are barred I have nowhere to go
>>219
That is relatable. I just got finished with pissing the past five-and-half years of my life away in academia for a degree I didn't want in the first place, and am way too old to catch up on the job experience (read: more than none) that I should have already accumulated by this point.
From the sounds of it, my undesired degree would all but guarantee a white-collar managerial position of some type, but such a lofty position is neither desired nor deserved for an unexperienced non-worker such as myself. Meanwhile, the already-tenuous relation between myself and my parents is crumbling by the day, further increasing the likelihood that I end up without a roof or reliable source of nourishment.
SHit sucks, but things could always be worse. 'Tis usually the more productive way of looking at things. ┐( ´ д ` )┌