https://tanasinn.vip/doku.php/matrix
IRC is cool and all but it's 2021. Fork in the road:
Discord OR Matrix.
We currently don't have a proper Matrix server of our own yet, but that doesn't matter because you can just join whatever server you want and then connect to channels, or make channels to share with others. Matrix is like IRC -- channel based, channels are atoms, the admin "owns" their own channel to some degree -- users are free to create new channels, and unlike IRC, permissions management is simple AND real end-to-end encryption is possible.
Unlike Discord, where the "channel group" is created first and then contains its exclusive channels within it (with a shared power structure), Matrix users can also freely create "channel groups" for relevant channels, for private use or social use, to help organize similar channels by concept or intention. This radical inversion of the paradigm is naturally more in line with VIP values and return a more natural, bottom-up sense of vision to this space that corporate entities seek to seize and exploit to maladaptive ends.
Remember IRC? It's dead now, RIP IRC. Come now to the future.
Let's make channels together and build the virtual spaces we lost.
Matrix is laggy as hell, websites work well enough for me. If matrix server has many images, they take forever to load.
Matrix isn't meant to replace websites, it's meant to replace Discord, IRCcloud, Slack, etc.
Fuck off, IRC is still the best mass communications medium. Jabber is second to it. If you want encryption use Jabber with PGP or PGP encrypted emails. Matrix and Discord suck equally.
>>4
There are like 3 active users of #4-ch IRC and easily 10 or 15 VIPPER on the VIPPER Matrix. What is IRC "best for"? Clearly, it's not best for our community; Discord has even more people. Even if IRC is best, it's clear that's not where people are going. Better off on Matrix than Discord though.
>linux
>better
the only way it can get better is if windows devs completely shit themselves. And looking at windows 8 and 10, this is exactly what's happening. Doesn't make linux any good, all it means is that you have two shitty oses now.
who are you quoting?
Matrix sucks. Server program written in Python with a very long configuration file. Every message sent is stored on server (like Discord). All Matrix clients suck, "flagship" client is an attempt to copy as much as Discord in a fast unstable way so there are bugs all over.
Slow as hell and most of the communities are just developer rooms. The "normal" ones are usually dead and when it is active its like being in a Discord chatroom. They advocate privacy yet censor creating or searching roms such as "porn" or "neet".
They claim to be the email of instant messaging yet you can't even set up a bridge to Discord/Slack/whatever from the app. You have to setup a Discord/Slack account and install more (nodejs/python) crap that may or may not work.
Yeah great instant messenger. Just use XMPP/Jabber or IRC.
At least it is actually stable and works properly.
>>11
I own and run #neets:matrix.org ; how censored is it really?
I agree that skipping on matrix.org is a good idea; just like how people interested in fediverse shouldn't use mastodon.org .
Also agree that there's a need for Matrix clients that aren't Element, but it works well enough when compared with Slack and Discord. It's no XMPP but it's also not trying to be XMPP.
>>11,7,4
why not come join the VIPPER xmpp room...
xmpp:saovq@conference.omaera.org?join
There is only IRC.
sorry op, would rather be hit by a bus than deal with element/riot or some other shitty client.........
where can I find a not dead irc even?
Does irc expose your ip to other users?
I don't like how it doesn't store logs, you have to be online 24/7 to not miss discussions, or store logs on third party site.
Plus there are some codepage issues, which doesn't concern you if you never speak anything but english. But I had an experience when irc swallowed everything I wrote and only shown "?" to the people on the other side, because I configured codepage wrong. Jabber is better, fuck irc. Jabber is more wordy though, xml instead of plain text.
All means of communication eventually fall victim to spammers, criminals, and governments. With the rise of ai tech you will see complete technocracy in developed countries eventually, while less developed ones will be irrelevant in most ways.
>>17
it is very easy to get a bouncer for irc but it's not worth it unless you have actual friends on irc who use it regularly.
>>5
By this logic, we should all start using FB messenger
IRC is a sane and well-established protocol. It's easy to work with, there are plenty of good clients, and it just works.
You could literally accomplish everything said in this thread with a well oiled XMPP server.
Many networks will give you a bouncer or at least mask your IP but I don't think it's all that necessary. Unless you have enemies on an IRC network you don't really need to worry. Any firewall should block ports and nobody is likely to DDoS you unless, as mentioned, you piss people off. Just be sure to connect via SSL/TLS and that'll give you an extra layer of security. Likewise, a VPN can be useful to route through thoughamy VPNs are banned due to abuse, so your results may vary.
But yes your IP is usually visible by default on IRC networks.
Using SSL when connecting to IRC is neat, until someone else joins the channel with plaintext connection and everything leaks in the clear from the other side.
Jabber/XMPP could be enough for everyone, but then, what the excuse would be to reinvent the wheel and /or hoover up all the data.
>>17
you dont need to read the backscroll. use it to have conversations not as some glorified forum system. find a network with HistServ so you have the immediate context of the chat, or like everyone else has said, get a bouncer that does it for you. infinite history sucks.
matrix is much better than discord
I hate how online content which was once created and stored in accessible online forums has gradually shifted to private/hidden discord instances. Things like translation projects, open source software, modding communities or fan groups.
anyone, recommend me an IRC channel