Thread to talk about actor Tom Hiddleston
Tom Hiddleston 1: http://4-ch.net/tv/kareha.pl/1382608996/
Tom Hiddleston 2: http://4-ch.net/tv/kareha.pl/1410345704/
Tom Hiddleston 3: http://4-ch.net/tv/kareha.pl/1437479014/
Tom Hiddleston 4: http://4-ch.net/tv/kareha.pl/1440684211/
>>50 I've thought that for a while. I how long it will take studio execs to realise that being a tumblr darling does not necessarily equate to big box office. Sections of Tumblr also didn't like HR (dog eating triggers) or ISTL (rubbish movie triggers/who is Hank and why should I care?).
>>50 And even the butt was not enough to make $20m at the box office. We saw most of it in the trailer anyway.
>>51 If they didn't before they will now. Of the three CP, sold as GdT latest masterpiece, was supposed to be the blockbuster.
TH presence and his English countryside were supposed to bring all his fangirls to the cinema, that's how they promoted it. Someone misunderstood the Coriolanus rabid crowd and the queue of fans outside CP's studio as tickets, I think.
I hope the same mistake won't be made for the promotion of TNM and its sex scene.
>>52 all those embarrassing questions for nothing.
Tom Hiddleston Interview - I Saw The Light Premiere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ABWXepawo
I Saw The Light Premiere Red Carpet - Tom Hiddleston, Elizabeth Olsen, Maddie Hasson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3G8H-RDbgA
>>53 Well thinking about it, I suppose TH is equal with women who get naked. The nudity was gratuitous and was done to improve the box office - equal opportunity exploitation.
more photos for ISTL premiere
http://nashvilleartscritic.com/movies/pictorial-i-saw-the-light/
>>58 lol You'd think that with all the fashion shows she attends she'd have better taste. And why she is always slouching? Up girl!
>>59 Celebitchy still trying to sell the "dating" story...
>>60 I know, dumb uh. They make a fuss whenever a critic is moved about anything even remotely related to him, to the point they become negationists - CP is not failure, it was never going to be a blockbuster! All is good! You hear me! - and when something, that potentially could have damaged his reputation and that clearly annoyed him is buried, what do they do? They start talking about it again, on the internet. If it makes them happy.
Google Talk Guillermo del Toro, Tom Hiddleston, Jessica Chastain, Mia Wasikowska: "Crimson Peak"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLt_COjPzog
Avengers costars (and real-life lovebirds) Tom Hiddleston and Elizabeth Olsen shared a laugh at the premiere of I Saw the Light at The Belcourt Theatre in Nashville, Tenn., on Oct. 17.
http://www.usmagazine.com/hot-pics/ever-laughter-20151910
Interesting development...
>>64 I suppose Us doesn't want to backtrack on all their "inside scoops" now, so they're just going to keep pushing the romance story. Same with celebitchy, but I think it's worse for Us since they were the ones who started all the rumors in the first place. Town Bike as well.
>>62 Cabbage anon. I like it.
>>62 It's fair to say nobody used that before and now you have a 100% cast iron claim to it!
>>66 Exactly. CB now peddling the line that they are FWB because EO didn't deny that, right? Ignoring the fact that he has been in the US for some time now and not once has the friend flown to NYC to provide benefits - unless we assume that their ability to avoid paps has improved considerably.
>>67 EO was papped at the LA Airport on October 16 (day before ISTL Nashville premiere), so she was definitely not in NYC with Tom.
>>67 TH was in NYC for only 3 days, doing intensive promo for CP though
>>69 Eh, there's always time for sex, even during film promos. ;) If my long distance boyfriend (or FWB for that matter) was going to be on my continent for only 4 days I sure as hell wouldn't wait until day 4 to see him.
Triggers...is that what Millennials are calling 'real life' these days.
Why didn't anyone warn me about real life!?!?
>>71 More concerningly, that's what they're calling art and literature!
>>71 As someone who has personally dealt with trauma, I get very angry when I see people on tumblr abuse the concept of "triggers" and now they're bringing it into real life as well. They are either misunderstanding and misusing the term, or if they have actually been through a traumatic event they are leaning on "trigger warnings" as a crutch and should instead be seeking some sort of therapy.
From Mental Health America:
"Certain things seem to set off my symptoms of PTSD. What can I do to control these triggers?
For people with PTSD, it is very common for their memories to be triggered by sights, sounds, smells or even feelings that they experience. These triggers can bring back memories of the trauma and cause intense emotional and physical reactions, such as raised heart rate, sweating and muscle tension. Because these memories and feelings are unpleasant, you may have the urge to avoid the triggers. Avoiding things that make you uncomfortable is normal and will make you feel better in the short run. But in the long run, this avoidance will make things worse. If the pattern continues, you can make your problems worse. Instead of avoiding triggers, it is probably better to learn how to manage your reactions when they are triggered. Many forms of therapy are effective in treating PTSD. Cognitive behavioral therapy, in particular, can help you learn ways to reduce and manage your reactions to triggers."
For me, it was gradual exposure to the things that triggered episodes, and over time I have been able to get through most of them and am still working on the few I have left. But if I had kept yelling "trigger warning!" and hiding from the world I'd have made no progress toward recovery. Most of the time I feel these people just use the word "trigger" to refer to something that makes them uncomfortable rather than what it actually is, and it frustrates me to no end, because then when someone who is a combat veteran or a rape victim actually has something that IS a trigger that they may very well be trying to work through, the rest of the world is so used to the tumblr version of triggers that they ignore the requests or needs of people who are really dealing with PTSD.
I don't know when this was taken, I think originally it showed up on twitter on Friday, but if she was indeed papped at LAX, then this is perhaps old.
The guy obviously works for Delta and was her handler. In the tweet - I'll try to find it - he said she was nice and hoped she enjoyed NYC.
Shoulder shrug.
There is always time for sex...just like there's always room for Jello.
>>73 In the course of my work I have worked with quite a few people with sometimes very severe PTSD. I would never seek to belittle their condition. I'm really sorry to her you have experienced trauma in your life.
PTSD is fortunately relatively rare, with specific internationally recognised diagnostic criteria, and it is by no means an invariable consequence of trauma. There is a huge difference between experiencing a flashback, and seeing something in a movie that reminds you of a bad experience in your past which marks you feel sad/uncomfortable. The former is a symptom of a medical condition which requires help, and which should be taken very seriously, the latter is - part of the human condition. I agree with you that the Tumblr kids really seem to mean that they don't want to be exposed to things that might disturb them - they're not entitled to trigger labels to help them with that. Much great art/literature is disturbing, and designedly so. If you need labels to deal with that then the labels aren't the help you need.
>>74 Was she flying out of LA to Nashville? Where would you connect through? (If anywhere)?
I think what you've laid out is the heart of the matter - some people use them not because they've suffered/experienced these events and don't want to be reminded of the events. Instead, I fear some people are using them when they want to avoid subjects that they find difficult. Or worse, subjects that they'd like to think don't exist. Yep, nothing like denial. They'd like to trigger warning the dishes and exams and getting a job when, as you wrote, they are not meant to be used in this way.
That having been said - in the future, I need people to trigger warn the following: EO, gates, purses, UsWeekly and the veranda over at CB - what the hell are they on about with the veranda?
In all seriousness, well done on your recovery, anonsy; it sounds like you handled it and are handling it in a healthy and pro-active way. And thanks for being brave enough to share.
>>76 Thanks. :) I wasn't under the impression that anyone here was belittling those with actual PTSD, so no worries about that.
I think a lot of people these days are so afraid of feeling sad or uncomfortable in any way, and calling something upsetting a "trigger" makes it sound more important than just saying "this reminds me of my ex, I don't want to watch it" - which is still a valid feeling, but as you have said does not qualify as a trigger.
I have no idea. I feel like there might be a direct to Nashville from LAX - I'm not going to go to Delta to look!! I'm NOT.
However, I would think that a non-direct flight would go through Chicago - O'Hare or Midway - or through Atlanta in the south.
I don't think it would have gone from LAX to NYC to Nashville.
Maybe she went to NYC to see her sisters, maybe she went to see TH and sex him up HARD, maybe she went to pick up that horrible dress she wore. We can be sure she wasn't stopping off in NYC to get it tailored.
If there is something going on, or something that went on - you'd have thought TH would have whispered some sweet, sweet post-coital advice about getting clothes tailored properly. Geez, TH, give a girl some fashion advice if she's giving up her foofoo.
>>81 I went ahead and took one for the team - there is a direct flight from LAX to Nashville. The pic of EO with the Delta employee must be old, because she was definitely in LA the days leading up to the ISTL premiere. She was in Europe for some fashion thing earlier this month, I think, so maybe she stopped off in NYC then, or at least had a connecting flight in JFK. That would make sense.
>>82 I have no shame because I looked as well. I am sorry I set this hare running by saying "ah well if she was in NYC with him they'd have been papped. Hangs head.
Regarding his non-at-all-impromptu concert, why didn't he take off his jacket, roll up those sleeve, put a cowboy hat on - maybe pop some chaw in his cheek - and then sing.
Of even better, where was this?
Where were the tassels? And why didn't 'Audrey' get up for a romantic duet.
PR opportunity lost, Luke, lost. ;)
>>83 Haha well at least we do our research around here. It's better than the wild unfounded speculation seen elsewhere on the internet (and unfortunately in some printed publications too).
>>84 Yes, Tom should have exclusively worn Hank costumes for all the ISTL premieres and events, or at least worn the hat and boots.
No hare - I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Like I said, if she was papped in LAX, then it must be old or from her other trans-Atlantic jaunts.
EO certainly was giggly last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3G8H-RDbgA
Just like JC during the CP premiere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvuTMWVbs8U
What is it about the boy that gets them all laughing? Those must be strong pheromones.
Knowing what little we do about the adorable try-hard - I'm surprised he let any of the other band members on the stage.
"I will play ALL the instruments. And I will end the set with a special song I wrote for my one true love.' EO advances toward the stage before Luke cuts her off carrying TH's cowboy boots.
It doesn't look too bad. Umm, I guess. Nothing could be as bad as Loki'd, right? Right? Someone reassure me.
https://www.facebook.com/MTV/videos/10153321186666701/?__mref=message_bubble
Er. Um. Not as good as the slumber party though.
Hang on a minute...
Am I too drunk or there are serious speculations about Eo/TH thing again and we are discussing it again on a serious matter? I mean what's wrong with the people, if both denied that they aren't an item, and clearly met each other as friends... I don't mean you, guys, I'm just surprised and slightly confused...
>>94 you mean that they won't stop gossiping until he gets married ?
I was always laughing hard about that story, but now it seems annoying. What else can EO and TH do to make sure that stupid people could finally believe they aren't an item?
I'm really confused.
I can't believe I'm saying it on a serious matter, but I never believed something was going on between them, at least not after fiasco with paps. They said they aren't dating, why can't everybody just chill out?
I regret not being around for JA. Strutting her stuff at Wimb., interacting with fans on twitter, favoriting Loki tweets and Bora Bora holiday tweets, the Cheshire cat grin in the restaurant pic - the girl had balls - and, by most accounts, an attention-seeking thirst to match TH's, and that's saying something.
All future GFs, FWBs, FBs will be but shadows on the cave.
>>93 The whole business was based on one word in the caption of a photo by one publication (US weekly), probably made by an copywriter who just read the previous headline that the publication had written.
Honestly - a storm in a tea-cup - maybe they have previously, are currently or will be shagging the brains out of each other BUT since they both recently publically stated that they are not in a romantic relationship with each other, I will give them a tiny bit of respect and believe them (and yes, people lie all the time etc. etc. etc.).
Now. Onto the muzeeec and the monkey.
I don't see the reason why would they lie. In that case Jassica was lying too when she denied the rumors that she and Tom weren't dating.
The following is my guess, but I did had a strange feeling that Tom wasn't comfortable around EO and she around him before they denied the rumors. Again, all what we saw -their interaction And etc - was in front of cameras, when the backstage reports said they were rather distanced from each other and didn't talk much. I'm talking about TIFF. I'm sure people are watching them like a hawk, and there is always someone sharing what they saw at a premiere, and IF THERE WAS SOMETHING we would know. As usual, we would always know, bed she when there is one person and thousands of eyes, nothing can be hidden.
On the other hand I watched crimson peak today...
>>98 Eh .. well in any case, I singularly and genuinely don't care too much about dissecting their every move and gesture. They did seem rather uncomfy at the TIFF probably because it was the first time they were officially seen together after the pap dinner from hell so maybe now that things have been cleared and sorted out, they can both relax and just be friends.
This begs the million dollar question : where oh WHERE was Luke in all of the photos coming out of the US? Does he only tail Tom in the UK? Enquiring minds need to know! (sarcasm intentional btw)
>>99 Agree. Things cleared up and they can relax and be friends.
Lol Luke was there, all the time he was there.you can we him in every photo and video, like a shadow.
Are reviews on a film allowed here?
The posting of professional reviews from print and online sources is certainly welcome.
Personal thoughts on movies are also allowed, I'm sure.
However, please, be aware that some haven't seen the movie yet, so don't give away spoilers.
All I can say is that the movie was amazing. Worth of every moment and and in couple of moments I had to close my eyes, and I'm not so easily scared! People are surely scarrier then ghosts! Lucille took my heart. That's for sure. I was rather indifferent for Edith, she isn't my cup if tea, but Mia was ok. The ending made me cry and I sobbed all the way home. Very good ending. Very good.
Tom referred to Edith as a sign for young women that they can be strong and independent and don't nee man to save them. Well, i from my personal view, would disagree. Edith only proved what I thought for a long time, that women can become strong and save themselves only when there is no help from aside. She saved herself because there was no one to save her. We may be strong and courageous but it's not because we want to, but because life makes us to. We become strong because we have no choice.
Amazing movie again. Totally will go and see it again.
>>89 I thought it was the photographer/s making the cast laugh because you see even TH looking ahead and laughing - And contrary to what CB posters say, EO wasn't putting her left hand on Tom's but on her right hand, you can clearly see her right arm wrapped around Abraham left arm.
>>91 tomorrow there'll be more, but it looks quite funny.
>>96 it was hilarious, because you could tell all her activity will end up in disaster but she went on and did it anyway. An adult woman, with her kind of job, wanting her name thrashed on the internet, a real show. Google Jane Arthy, among the first results you get her own tumblr tag.
Tom Hiddleston On I Saw The Light & Thor: Ragnarok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmWHVsPKjnE
Hank Williams biopic ‘I Saw the Light’ premieres at The Belcourt
http://wkrn.com/2015/10/17/i-saw-the-light-premieres-at-the-belcourt/
So Cabbage Anon, aka Lex aka sw3anon, back again?
https://twitter. com/FirenBrenie/status/656226127824994304
https://twitter. com/FirenBrenie/status/656243894426968064
I thought we were supposed to eat s**t. You truly don't get it that as soon as you post it's clear it's you.
Go back to your twitter.
>>105 ok so if I and somebody else watched the movie relatively at the same time it makes us one and the same person? How clever. Apparently I'm the same person with all those people sitting in the cinema with me yesterday. All around the world.
Did you at least check ip and id of me and another person?
Also you could be nicer you know. Because when you will see you are wrong you will feel ashamed.
TOM HIDDLESTON & MIA WASIKOWSKA im GHOST QUIZ | Crimson Peak Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJG4E_MH0Qs
>> 109 Okaaay. Right. So, maybe Loki'd wasn't that bad after all :)
P.S. My captcha was "Skull", I swear. Anyone knows anything about prophetic signs or similar stuff?
>>110 Are you about to see CP? If so this confirms the capcha KNOWS THINGS. As mentioned above it referred to jugs when I posted a pic of TH staring down Jaimie Alexander's cleavage!
>>110 And yes, there was worse after Steve. Facebook link yesterday didn't reveal the full horror. if TH had been in the gimp suit, that I would have paid money for. Or EO. It was black after all.
Moderately spoiler-ish but hilarious! http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151015-film-review-crimson-peak-is-a-horror-all-right
>>113 I enjoyed it, and have found myself disagreeing with many of the reviews I've read. The BBC review >>114 Anon shared, for example, said a few things were irrelevant to the plot of the film that I thought were either completely necessary or at least added to the story and my understanding of the characters.
My only gripe is that if I had gone in expecting a full blown horror film I would have been disappointed. Because I had seen a few interviews where GDT and the cast emphasized the "Gothic Romance" aspect, I had a better idea of what it was going to be, but I think a lot of the trailers made it seem like there would be a lot of BOO! moments that just weren't there. This is really more a complaint about the advertising than the movie itself.
TH, JC and MW were on Charlie Rose tonight. There are a few teaser vids up on the CR youtube channel. They should post the whole interview soon - that is their policy in general.
Hopefully, Hiddlestoners were not mentioned. Loki may have been - CR tries to be pop-cultural like that on occasion.
New - and I think rather sexy - Andy Gotts shot released: https://mobile.twitter . com/DrGotts/status/656612192142413824
Well I booked to see CP at the IMAX in London - might as well be hung for a sheep etc.
Couch may have started her holiday - and rightly so! She's earned it. So, here are a few tidbits from twitter and the 'tube of you.'
If you really wanted a 9 minute video of TH doing HW, here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdOUh93-zHo
Here is TH introducing ISTL in Nashville. Watch or skip to the end to witness EO's impression of a seagull as she tries to exit the stage and gets tangled up/cut off by TH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVCo6CgiBa0
The whole interview with Charlie Rose. MW gets in about 25 words. CR doesn't butcher MW's names, but he comes close. And CR also calls it Crimson Park...worst park EVER!
>>119 Thank you. It's been a bit quiet round here today!
I'm working from home today - bit of a cold. So I thought I'd post a few things.
>>120 It has gone all hush-hush!
Brie and Tom, get on those romance rumors please! Start showing up at cafes in HI, start posting selfies together! Let's do this!
UsWeekly, do your job, too!
Well, if he's in it - 'I know nothing about it!' he insists again - he'll be off to Aust. after HI. If the next Marvel movies shoot out of London, and he's in them, TH could be away from dear ole Blighty for awhile.
EM says TH is a good dancer - You just know he asked for more dancing during filming.
I know, real breaking news, but we're getting near the bottom of the barrel.
>>121 I saw Crimson Park today. Much better than the bad reviews would have one believe, though the plot was a trifle clunky. I could have guessed the main plot twist even without all the hints that were dropped by GdT. So I think could anyone who has read a few gothic novels.
It was pretty gory - so god knows about all those people saying "not enough of a horror movie".
I do however wish they hadn't released so much in trailers and clips. I realised as I was watching that I had seen parts of every major scene, bar the 2 that said in words of one syllable what was going on. That was a pity partly in spoiler-y terms but also because you like to feel you haven't seen the whole movie. For example it would have been nice to watch that beautifully acted scene with the automaton for the first time as part of the film. One other major consequence was that the ghosts were pretty unterrifying, in a kind of oh hello again way.
>>121 And because I feel guilty about not posting many links I bring you the following. You thought we were at the bottom of the barrel, but there's a lot further to fall. http://mashable.com/2015/10/22/tom-hiddleston-shanghai-chinese/
I saw CP today too. I really wanted to like it, but... Well, don't get me wrong, it wasn't terrible, and I agree that it was probably better than the reviews said. Still, I felt kind of underwhelmed throughout the movie. I dragged a friend along (she's not a fan of TH, or of any other actor in CP, for that matter) and she got bored halfway through. I, of course, had the disadvantage of seeing the trailers and reading a couple of reviews, so sort of spoilered myself and take a part of the blame - maybe I would have liked it better if I haven't.
Those CGI ghosts were really ridiculous. After the movie my friend asked me if I understood why they looked the way they looked (I won't be specific to avoid spoilers if anyone hasn't seen the movie yet). You see, she kept waiting for the explanation of that in the plot and got none. All I could do is shrug my shoulders and say that the creators probably thought that they would be cooler or scarier that way :)
On the bright side - the visuals were beautiful. I loved the spooky deteriorating mansion, very atmospheric. TH was pretty.
Oh, and a lot of people said that Mia was the blandest - I disagree, she seemed quite OK to me, considering that no one has delivered a noteworthy performance in that movie, TH included.
>>124 does one need an explanation about why they look that way? I didn't see any spoilers explaining it but I kind of guessed from the story.
>>124 I also thought the first sex scene was ridiculous in the context of where it wa meant to be in their relationship. And in the second one GDT bottled it. He should have been naked in that one.
Who hasn't seen it yet?
>>126 OK, spoilers (minor).
She meant why most of them looked like half-decomposing, skinless, blood-dripping skeletons, more zombies than ghosts. I guess, she waited the story to explain that something REALLY GORY and terrible happened to them, not just "simple" killing. NB: She didn't see the trailer, hasn't watched any interviews or read reviews, so hasn't heard anything about "gothic romance, not horror", etc. The story just didn't seem very consistent to her, probably.
But actually, it's a minor detail, I just mentioned it because I also thought the ghosts were a bit cartoonish ant not scary. I think the movie would have benefited from something more subtle.
>>127 I won't dispute that :)
I thought the ghosts looked that way because of (SPOILER) where their bodies were buried. I'd be more specific but I don't want to accidentally ruin anything for anyone who hasn't seen it.
>>129 I initially thought the same. But the vision generally seemed to be that when you cark it your ghost gradually goes skeleton (cf very end). There was another detail about one of the ghosts which made sense. Again saying no more due to spoilers.
I haven't...but I'm okay with spoilers. I sometimes figure out plot lines halfway through movies. A quote from me to a friend the first time I saw The Sixth Sense in the theatre: 'So if the kid can see dead people, is Bruce Willis dead?' The kid said he could see dead people, I took him at his word!
And as you said, the trailers themselves have spoiled more than any postings. I've stayed away from Tumblr because I don't want to see the scenes themselves.
Here is a spoiler filled - warning!! - review that is beyond funny. It has teeth and bad language, but it's hilarious.
If you think TH is too precious for criticism, please do NOT read.
http://the-toast.net/2015/10/22/movie-yelling-with-nicole-and-mallory-crimson-peak/
>>134 Right? Some memorable quotes:
'He did everything quarter-assedly, like he had spiritual anemia.'
'Not for nothing is England called “Survivable Knifecrime Island.”'
'Stupid incest clay machine'
'For some reason the post office in Cumberland has a bridal suite?'
Nicole: they had a dead red lady with an axe in her head!
Mallory: they had a CORPSE BABY...
Mallory: but only implied cunnilingus
>>135 And my absolute favourite: no trees for miles around. Where do the leaves come from????
I love when Mallory and Nicole unite on Toast. When this came up, I thought all my sick-day wishes had been answered - even if I still had a cough and sore throat.
Or how Edith thought a hole in the roof was magical.
>>135 Why haven't I seen it earlier?
"Mallory: he practically FAINTED every time someone disagreed with him"
"oh, and when he looked like he was about to eat her out but didn’t??
<...>
Mallory: “okay, dip your head vaguely in the direction of her cunt, kiss her thigh, and then get to Doin’ It”
“that’ll have to count”
Rather randomly, I came across this bit of ? professional snark from his peers after the Graham Norton show
(Robert Icke is a rather phenomenal theatre director imho irrespective of snark)
https://twitter .com/robertwicke/status/650071893362483200
http://thetownbycycle.tumblr.com/post/131851417582/theo-once-again
Since there is nothing much to talk aboht now, let's have a collective laugh. The Bike woman is desperate again. I have never seen anyone with such a strong wish to make blues TH is dating EO, everybody moved on, except her.
http://thetownbycycle.tumblr.com/post/131851961082/im-drafting-a-little-story-british-actor-goes-to
And another one. To be honest they all look so the same I wouldn't be surprised bike woman sent it herself.
In October? lol! So very much desperate.
Now that the event is well and truly over - I do believe that Tom wouldn't have missed a particular family event yesterday - even for a fake gorilla... Congrats to Emma and her new hubby!
>>145 wow so great! Congratulations to her indeed!
How did you find it out? Maybe that's the reason he wasn't seen on set yet, plus this he did say he was flying to Hawaii on Sunday, so there you go.
They were married in London at a very old church - under her husbands formal name ... The wedding was listed in the church website. I did not want to publicise it before the ceremony out of respect for their privacy on the day.
Ignore Lex/Cabbage Anon/Sw3anon clearly she is too obtuse and obsessed to understand when people don't want her around.
>>141 I suppose it depends on how you interpret the verb treasure? It could be treasure your insecurities as in keep them hidden, or don't be ashamed of them and put them to good use.
>>145 He was on set this week but he surely went back to London for the weekend. No need to post the link to the church even now, it doesn't take much to find it anyway.
