Tom Hiddleston (Sweet 16) (878)

1 Name: Anon. : 2017-08-28 02:47 ID:5qdWEBEh

Thread to talk about the actor Tom Hiddleston

829 Name: Anon : 2018-09-14 09:36 ID:A3rZwPke

>>828 God I have done that so many times! Very annoying. There is a way to get back to your text but I can’t remember which it is - I think when it says wrong captcha you have to press the back button in your browser. But I always forget which it is and do something which loses the lot...

830 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-14 14:37 ID:xC8EsSI3

Or you could highlight and copy the message before you click on the reply button.

831 Name: Sosorrry : 2018-09-14 19:47 ID:G/bSTCxP

>>827 I concur. The actors we respect the most, regardless of their era in the industry, we know very little about: Montgomery Clift, Brando; DeNiro; Mark Rylance; Ralph Fiennes; Daniel Day-Lewis; Oscar Isaacs...Tom needs to recognize that. Brand new pics of Tom back in London on the Underground. And he was spotted by a fan at Pret a Manger. Also, a video clip of his paparazzi posing pal Lizzie Olsen, in which she praises his ediquette in remembering the names of and in writing thank you notes to the entire cast and crew of ISTL. I think Tom is quite kind, but also so image conscientious.
https://m.tw.weibo.com/5304602143/4284305489819780
https://m.weibo.cn/status/4283772704452047

832 Name: Whatsinaname : 2018-09-15 06:40 ID:6LNXsSd5

Who is Phil Wang and why does he hate Tom? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=254&v=TvcOva3m8PI

833 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-15 16:11 ID:xC8EsSI3

>>832 Phil Wang is a comedian and he's in a comedy show. I don't think he hates Tom he's just saying that for the show.

834 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-15 23:52 ID:N+5QDef3

>>832, >>833 Yes, he's basically a glorified troll for the attention.

In other news, Tom is working on some unspecified project with a production company: on twitter at /whoisjoshwilson/status/1040918490457227264 - anyone know anything about this Josh Wilson?

835 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-16 00:07 ID:N+5QDef3

>>831 Interesting point. All of those you listed, though, had the advantage of establishing their careers before the internet, with the new expectation of being able to know anything about anyone almost instantly. Oscar Isaacs - I guess I haven't watched enough movies in the past few years, but I had to look up what he's done, and I have seen him in at least one film. Therefore, I think that to some extent, Tom has to be conscious of his image so as not to be lost in the crowd of all the millenial actors. (And think of how much information and entertainment we're now bombarded with - it can take being a bit "noisy" to stand out.) So that makes it even more unfortunate that he damaged his image.

836 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-16 01:25 ID:N+5QDef3

Working my way backwards, to see if I can reconstruct some of my pre-captcha thoughts from the other night.

The main reasons I don’t think that the SoS was planned too far in advance:

• The longer they planned it, the more time there was for someone on his team or in his family to question whether it really was a good idea and persuade the rest.
• The longer they had, couldn’t have they have come up with a more realistic-looking romance? (“Let’s get them photographed in the new paparazzi hot spot, Rhode Island! Let’s have them meet each others’ families after only a couple weeks!”)

The reasons I think it more likely came together in May (at least on his end) - although we might see him as having been riding high then, he may not have felt that way, especially if he’s extremely ambitious:

• CP had poor box office and mixed reviews; ISTL had poor reviews for the film itself (which killed his chance of lots of awards noms for his performance); and High-Rise had both low box office and mixed reviews, most of which focused on Wheatley’s interpretation and not on Tom’s performance. Yes, TNM was a huge hit in the UK, but it wasn’t over here. And the reviews of it from major US outlets uniformly made a crack about “one long Bond audition tape.”
• KSI turned out to be not the leading-man role he’d signed up for, but a comparatively small part in a very large cast.
• Then came the news about Loki. While I agree that he probably didn’t care about the role from an artistic standpoint any longer, it was a great safety net for his career – a big paycheck, lots of publicity, and good reviews every few years. Not easy to get that kind of good thing going as an actor.
• So at that point, he might have been off balance enough to agree to a really bad idea to get him a lot more PR.

All that said, I hadn’t heard that he started following TS in Feb. ’16; I knew she had followed him several months before the Met, but not the reverse. And that “no ring on this finger” comment was strange, though it could have been a Freudian-slip message to his current FWB (EO, JA, who knows?) that their thing wasn’t serious (right up there with “nothing to write home about”).

837 Name: Sosorrry : 2018-09-16 03:01 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>836 The PR thirsty Team Swift started following Tom way back in 2014, b/c they're always desperate to portray her as a sexual being. This is partly why her PR relationships are so utterly unbelievable. She's not a Rihanna or an Angelina Jolie, or a Scarlett Johansson-type (and who is, by the way?) She is just a stiff model wannabe who knows how to awkwardly attempt to hold hands w a man while mimicking his style of fashion, and looking down at the ground demurely. And then her fans, others suburban girls, live through the fantasies that her PR team create in the tabloids, which is why they are so protective of the fictional narratives. Anyway, they followed Tom after relationship expert and future Real Housewives of New Jersey star Siggy Flicker was asked to analyze a potential relationship between them for an US magazine Valentine's Day article. And Tom didn't follow back till right before he presented at the CMA Awards in 2016.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-and-tom-hiddleston-and-more-celebrity-couples-wed-like-to-see-2014142/

838 Name: Sosorry : 2018-09-19 01:35 ID:zSl8T0x0

Career news! Tom and Elizabeth Olsen will be doing a Loki/Red Witch tv series for the new Disney streaming service under Marvel Studios?! "The actors who portrayed these heroes and villains in the Avengers films and their spin-offs, such as Tom Hiddleston and Elizabeth Olsen, are expected to play them in the streaming shows." I'm nonplussed.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/loki-scarlet-witch-tv-series-marvel-disney-streaming-service-1202947551/

839 Name: Anon : 2018-09-19 09:25 ID:IMaFOoe+

>>838 It sounds prettt speculative TBH. I see Marvel has not commented!

840 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-19 12:22 ID:bswgVGOG

>>838, >>839 Nor has Disney commented. And "[t]he Marvel series are in early development and writers have yet to be attached to the projects" means that this could be a long way off - at least TNM2 has writers! Disney's streaming service, per this, isn't even set to launch until at least late 2019.

841 Name: Whatsinaname : 2018-09-19 16:23 ID:6LNXsSd5

Not sure of the credibility of the Standard but they're saying that TNM2 may not happen.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-light-fades-for-the-night-manager-a3939916.html

Looks like the good and the bad happened to him in the past 24 hours.

842 Name: Anon : 2018-09-19 18:44 ID:A3rZwPke

>>841 Two inaccurate statements in that article:

  1. We may never see Tom Hiddleston’s bum again.
  2. He is “not exactly underemployed.”

843 Name: Anon : 2018-09-19 18:50 ID:A3rZwPke

>>836 Sorry for not responding to this earlier - a lot to chew over re timing. I’d be interested to know if you now think it was fake (separately from the question of when exactly TH bought into the publicity plan).

I just keep looking at how she has been with her new lover - almost totally off grid even though she has supposedly been seeing him for more than a year. There have been maybe two or three stories with fake (ie arranged) pap shots, and maybe one or two with genuine fuzzy as hell pap pics. It feels real in a way that a lot of her other relationships just haven’t (not only Tayto).

844 Name: Hey one : 2018-09-20 18:03 ID:vsFoFSho

>>843 I’m still mulling my answer to that - more to come. In the meantime, I found this for potential discussion, related to Tom’s film career going forward: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2018/sep/13/juicing-work-outs-monetsising-self-obsession-acting-mark-wahlberg

845 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-20 22:22 ID:bswgVGOG

The reintroduction continues: https://www.jw3.org.uk/event/ahjw3-speaker-series-tom-hiddleston-and-josie-rourke , and it’s sold out, of course.

846 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-20 22:24 ID:bswgVGOG

847 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-20 22:26 ID:bswgVGOG

Sorry for the duplicate - I thought captcha ate the first one!

848 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-26 00:02 ID:bswgVGOG

Taffy is still milking her 15 minutes of fame, now with the lovely comment she apparently made to Tom of "Tom, this has been the best week of my life. You should try to enjoy this more. I know it was tough with the Taylor stuff, but this is really amazing."-- https://www.celebitchy.com/593530/taffy_brodesser-akner_has_a_great_story_about_tom_hiddleston_apologizing_to_her/

849 Name: Anon : 2018-09-28 13:27 ID:m48yblD6

>>848 I saw this a few days ago - was going to comment and never got round to it. That woman is a piece of work isn’t she? Does a hatchet job, then milks it frantically for weeks on end, then mills it again while revealing she has been a complete bitch!!

The news on the other front is - interesting. I didn’t bother getting tickets though they hadn’t sold out when I looked (a few hours after it had been announced). The rehabilitation rollout continues.

Do we think this presages a work announcement? Or is it part of a plan to get that work by showing/reminding everyone that he is - well, let’s not put too fine a point on it, not as nuts as Tayto might have led one to believe. I am inclined to think the latter. I reckon that after it became apparent that Tayto had killed his buzz, he did what was already booked (IW filming in April 17, contractually required publicity), took a loooong holiday from auditioning (grew beard, bought dog etc), started the rollout very quietly and is probably only recently pursuing projects more assiduously.

850 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-30 15:42 ID:xC8EsSI3

Pretty harsh words, and uncalled for, calling her a bitch. Obviously Tom didnt think the interview was bad since I'm sure his publicist gave the ok to run it and Tom himself was liking Twitter posts that approved of it the day the interview was released. I'm sure he's still friends with Taffy now much to your displeasure. The disgusting ageism and misogyny of his fanbase never fails to surprise me.

851 Name: Anon : 2018-09-30 17:39 ID:o1bEphas

>>850

Oh rly? Well, it never ceases to amaze me how many sanctimonious nannying cunts there are in Tom’s fanbase, who lurk on this board in the hope of sucking up some gossip simultaneously with pretending to be above it all and whingeing when we say something mildly critical. Piss off back to your nanny blog on tumblr.

852 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-30 20:02 ID:xC8EsSI3

Mildly critical? You mean with your foaming in your mouth outburst and misogynistic language. Calling women a cunt or a bitch because she told a funny story about the media calling her "mystery brunette" because she was photographed and hugged Tom and mistakenly thought of as Tom's girlfriend. Good thing Tom is charging $200 plus dollars in dealing with you psychos. I don't blame the man in not dealing with his toxic fanbase, especially on social media. Poor guy.

853 Name: Anon : 2018-09-30 20:14 ID:o1bEphas

>>852 No, I’m calling you a cunt, actually.

I’m calling her a bitch for telling him “I know it was tough with the Taylor stuff but this (meaning her 5 minutes of fame at his expense) is really amazing.” Anyone else - meaning anyone who’s been on this board for more than 3 seconds - think that was a bit self-absorbed/unkind/bitchy?

By the way, I think it was you upthread who said “As always his ego got too big with the little accolades he garnered and took part in the most fake celebrity relationship anyone has ever seen.” So it’s ok for you to say whatever you like but one comment you disagree with and suddenly you are defending him against his “toxic fans”? Fuck off, hypocrite.

854 Name: Anon : 2018-09-30 20:23 ID:o1bEphas

>>852 “Tom is too much of a suck up, he wants everyone to love him” - that was you as well wasn’t it?

You must have a personality disorder if you think you can post stuff like this and then throw around dirt about his “toxic fanbase.”

855 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-30 20:31 ID:xC8EsSI3

Talk to me when you can stop with the ad hominems and using derogatory words like cunt, bitch or whatever type of crap you think up. Can you do that? Dont worry I'll wait. Until then you can take your own advice and fuck off.

856 Name: Anon : 2018-09-30 20:40 ID:o1bEphas

>>855

I notice you aren’t denying it was you who said these things, and that you are in no respect able to answer the criticism that you consider yourself free to say whatever you like while getting on your high horse about others’ views that don’t satisfy whatever mysterious morality criteria that exist in your head.

Well, I’ve been commenting on this board since 2014. I will say precisely what I please and you can suck it up. I won’t be going anywhere.

857 Name: Anon : 2018-09-30 20:51 ID:o1bEphas

And I will make one further observation about you and your ilk.

People come in this board and say all sorts of critical things: Tom’s losing his hair, he looks like a scruff, his interviews are extra, his relationship is fake. There has been robust disagreement over the years about whether those things are true or not, but the rule has always been, no criticism of someone for expressing those views. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

It is always, always, the mark of trolls (including you) who come along and seek to criticise the person for expressing the view, and not the view itself. You’re a bad person, a bad fan, or in your charming words a psycho or an misogynist for expressing the view. Almost always the troll is a new or infrequent visitor to the board as well, but obviously a lurker who shows themselves to be every bit as “invested” as the people they seek to criticise.

And you trolls are slowly but surely killing this board. Remember Anon.? (She who started this board which you are so high-handedly seeking to order me off?) She was one of many who made it what it was - she found twitter sightings before anyone else did and they all took them off to tumblr from here. Or Anonon who had great gossip from the TR set. They and many others left because they were sick of people like you coming here and making your sanctimonious little complaints that we were bad fans for expressing our opinions. Well good luck. When you run the rest of us out of town there won’t be anyone left and you can all sit in the tumbleweeds together hoping that Tom reads this and pats you on the head for being top fan. Good luck with that.

858 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-30 21:03 ID:xC8EsSI3

You're projecting. A lot.

859 Name: Heynon : 2018-09-30 22:09 ID:bswgVGOG

>>857 Well said.

>>849 I was wondering, myself, if this event was to make a project announcement quietly, maybe one with Josie Rourke. But given that he's recently turned up at a couple of well-publicized events, you're likely right that his rehab/reintroduction rollout is kicking into a higher gear.

860 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-30 23:42 ID:xC8EsSI3

Warning long post. Dgaf if no one reads it or not especially to the person whose it aimed at. This is for posterity sake more then anything.

>>857 So you're taking the "free speech" approach as in "no one judge my opinion and I can say whatever I want without anyone judging it". I called you out because you called Taffy, for no apparent reason because of an innocent remark she said, a bitch. She didnt call Tom names and also reassured him that he didnt need to apologize about the Daily Mail thinking her, a married woman, as his girlfriend. She was telling him it wasn't his fault and she found the claim funny because he was scared of a type of Hiddleswift fiasco again. You on the other had judged this woman for no apparent reason a bitch because she didnt reply the way you wanted to. Do you even know what the definition of a bitch is? Apparently not since you're reading into something that isn't there with her and with me.

You can say whatever you want, but since this a public forum where anyone can join and everyone can judge your opinion about this person, deal with it. That's what free speech is; dealing with the consequences of your opinion in a public forum no less. Say whatever but people will call you out and that person just happened to be me. If you dont want the public to join in then make your own forum and pick and choose whose allowed to join. Problem solved.

I've seen a lot of his fanbase not only harass but use misogynistic language aimed at the women he has relationships to specifically (cunt, whore, bitch) just because they "didnt treat Tom right" whatever the arbitrary "right way" it might be. And theres no mistake it's because they dared to be within arm length of Tom or had/have a relationship with him. Fans are so entitled to this man they have no relationship with. Can't allow someone you or some of the fanbase disapprove of said woman because she will be labeled a cunt or bitch because "reasons" or something arbitrary or simply jealousy or competition.

Plus Tom is the actor, a public figure, he knows it comes with the job in people judging his looks or the typical actor ego. He even has admitted to being pretentious. Taffy isn't an actor whose whole thing is about showing off an image to play with the general public and to Fans. She simply told a story that was aimed at her simply because she was in the close proximity of an actor you're defending for no reason simply because the female reporter didnt say the exact words you would've said if you were in her place.

Tom has taken no offense with her and the interview and if he had he would've told his management to pulled the interview. This is a grown soon to be 38 year old man and you're defending him like he's some child star who cant defend himself and has no idea what he's doing.

Btw people on this same thread have observed him of looking unwell and losing his hair, a thing he himself has admitted to but I dont see you getting their old quotes and calling them a cunt.

You'll probably come with a TL;DR or have some other drawn out reply attacking my character. Yes I judge Tom Hiddleston alot of people do, all celebrities are judged what a shock. I'm sure you'll call them cunts as well or something worse. But I have to remind you freedom of speech is a two way street and I can say whatever I want as well, especially on a thread whose sole purpose is to discuss things and have debates. You simply went off the deep end and attacked my character simply because I called you out on calling this woman you dont know a bitch because of her innocent story about her and Tom.

The one whose exhibiting nannying tendencies is you, you have not called Tom any derogatory names when he has done some unsavory things like hooking up with taken women knowing that they're in relationships (Olsen and Swift). But he's not a whore right? No no must be those cunt women right?

861 Name: Unknown : 2018-09-30 23:43 ID:xC8EsSI3

You who have turned this whole discussion not about asking me why I think you calling Taffy a bitch is misogynistic but of projecting onto me of being a troll because you got PTSD from some other people who didnt conform to your ways and thinking I give a flying fuck about being some actor's #1 fan when, as you've quoted from my past posts, I do no such thing (and even if i were I'm doing an awful job of it with calling out his ego, sycophantic fans dont say the stuff I've said about him).

Oh and btw people who disagree with you aren't trolls so look up that definition along with bitch and what those two words mean before you start accusing people of being either.

I said my piece you can do whatever as always. You can be more colorful and add more derogatory slurs which I'm sure you will do. I'm just posting this out of posterity really I honestly dont care if you reply back. Because I know with the way you replied to me I know no such thing as rationality will come out of you.

Finally thanks for proving my point that his fanbase contain some, more often then not, misogynistic people by you calling me a cunt. So thanks for confirming that, you just proved my point.

862 Name: Heynon : 2018-10-03 01:10 ID:bswgVGOG

On Torilla, a couple of pictures and a short video clip from the "Dickens vs Tolstoy" event today. Lots more of both on social media/tumblr. A video should be posted by the organization in the next 10 days or so. His hair may need its own postal code soon, but he looked good (in uniform, but good).

863 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-03 05:09 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>862 Rehearsal pics of Tom rehearsing and performing at the Dickens/Tolstoy reading event.

https://tw.weibo.com/torilla/4290973045862488
https://tw.weibo.com/2647686781/4290867374395956

864 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-03 14:18 ID:zSl8T0x0

And now Tom will be performing alongside David Suchet, Patrick Marber, TNM castmate Russell Tovey, Hollow Crown/Deep Blue Sea castmate Simon Russell Beale, Kristin Scott Thomas, etc. in a charity gala celebrating Harold Pinter's birthday, "Pinter at the Pinter"! I'm still wondering what his next project will be. If Tom is really doing the Loki online series for Disney, what does this cerebral thinking man re-boot of his career have to do with that? Is that just about money?

Happy Birthday, Harold will take place on what would have been the Nobel Prize winning playwright’s 88th birthday on October 10th
Charity event will raise money for Amnesty International and Chance to Shine
https://www.londontheatre1.com/theatre-news/cast-announced-for-charity-gala-to-celebrate-harold-pinters-birthday/

865 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-03 16:57 ID:zSl8T0x0

And now Tom is taking a classic pap walk, while walking Bobby with a tall "mystery brunette" in London. Let the madness begin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6236009/Tom-Hiddleston-PICTURE-EXCLUSIVE-Rugged-actor-goes-low-key-mystery-brunette.html#comments

866 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-03 17:05 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>865 The DM calls her a pal, and also notes that Tom is currently single. Tom's slightly questionable PR team is back, and it is in full effect, gosh help us.

867 Name: Heynon : 2018-10-04 01:12 ID:bswgVGOG

>>863 Thanks! Here's the longest set of video clips I've seen, but they're not good quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txWeB2ExC-w

868 Name: Heynon : 2018-10-04 01:19 ID:bswgVGOG

>>864 Well, no one has officially confirmed the Loki series (even Tom's PR tweeted about it and then deleted the tweet). Maybe he and EO will be asked about it at the Chicago con - they're doing a panel together.

If he does do it, it could just be for the money. Maybe he's going for the sort of life where he does a lot of small charity/passion projects, and does something more pop-culture oriented now and then to finance the rest. I hope there are some videos from the Pinter performances - Pinter's work is so [pause] stylistically different [pause] from anything I've [paaaaauuuse] seen Tom do before.

869 Name: Heynon : 2018-10-04 01:22 ID:bswgVGOG

>>865, >>866 Funny how this comes only a few days after some tumblr anons were commenting that we haven't seen him out with Bobby in quite a while. From what I've seen, reaction to this has been surprisingly subdued (though I haven't checked Twitter - taking a break from the political firestorms here, which have been stressing me out a lot. Thank goodness for new Tom content.)

870 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-04 03:15 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>869 I think that we're just calmly bemused at the lack of creativity of his PR team. They're definitely well intending one-trick ponies. Remember when Tom took a pap walk w that brunette in the short skirt, while walking in his neighborhood, and she was a regular at Ginger and White? Now we have another brunette on a scheduled neighborhood pap walk, and she is apparently in the TH fandom, and became a local resident and a regular at Ginger and White to meet Tom?! Joanna gets press for her singer/songwriting career, he gets a little press for the day. Also reminds me of when Tom was seen out and about w his RADA chum Sian, but the photos are even more benign.

871 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-04 19:20 ID:zSl8T0x0

A few more torilla pics of Tom on the pap walk, while talking to a mother and a daughter who are either fans or they are asking him for directions.
https://www.weibo.com/torilla?refer_flag=1005055014_&is_hot=1#_rnd1538680686777

872 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-05 16:55 ID:zSl8T0x0

Celebitchy is pretty biased against Hiddleston: "My vibe from the photos isn’t “hot and heavy.” I’m not even sure that Tom is capable of looking hot & heavy with someone in candid photos..." Ouch. but maybe it's good that even Tom's critics acknowledge how he's consistently pulled back from the press and from PR shenanigans, and is trying to get back to a more grounded life.

"Here’s some good news, maybe. To think that just two or three years ago, Tom Hiddleston would have caused worldwide headlines whenever he was photographed with a lady, but nowadays, he can walk down the street with a woman and most people just shrug. I think that’s what he wants, by the way – he had a taste of what it was like to date someone super-famous and have his every public appearance scrutinized, and he doesn’t want that anymore." "
https://www.celebitchy.com/594875/tom_hiddleston_was_seen_in_public_with_another_mystery_brunette_lmao/

874 Name: Heynon : 2018-10-11 01:24 ID:bswgVGOG

Lots of pictures of Tom (and other participating celebs) at the afterparty for the Pinter birthday event tonight: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/tom-hiddleston-attends-an-after-party-for-happy-birthday-news-photo/1051850720

There should be some video of the event out tomorrow.

875 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-11 16:00 ID:zSl8T0x0

Very excited Twitter sighting of Tom on the tube, w a script in hand, perhaps.

blxzinharry/status/105033220186956595

876 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-11 16:02 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>875 yvonne
@blxzinharry

Sosorry. This is the full handle for the twitter sighting of Tom on the tube. She wrote quite a lot about the sighting.

877 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-12 00:44 ID:y53vxnjH

Pictures of Tom, Michael Kors, Kate Moss, and his his old Suburban Shootout costar Ruth Wilson at an MK cocktail party.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/tom-hiddleston-attends-the-michael-kors-cocktail-party-to-news-photo/1051904938

878 Name: Sosorry : 2018-10-12 22:26 ID:G/bSTCxP

Apparently the chance of The Night Manager sequel is not looking good. I'm kind of relieved about this.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-night-manager/news/a866663/night-manager-producer-update-season-2-not-looking-great/

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