4-ch is dead? (125)

1 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-11-13 07:33 ID:SUNLd6q3

The only relevant textboard in english ;_;

2 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-11-15 07:27 ID:5EYlbcoa

no, still alive ;__;

3 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-11-19 21:44 ID:RYP3I31d

still lurking ;_;

4 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-11-25 08:50 ID:YA4hbHWq

still kickin' ;__;

5 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-11-25 23:07 ID:hY2n8NGV

I visit this website about twice annually out of curiosity.

I've never really known what to do here because it seems like there's no one here.

6 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-11-27 15:03 ID:YMnTo57A

We should have less boards. The only board that gets any traffic, any how, is DQN.

7 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-12-06 15:41 ID:wD51tGXL

This website was more active 8 years ago. I could waste an entire day posting.

8 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-12-18 03:34 ID:pezGPiqX

How can we revive it?

9 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-12-20 22:37 ID:Sk5j5r2U

Every time you make a post, post again.

10 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2014-12-22 07:58 ID:EzOJRZ/0

So every time we make a post, we post twice.

11 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-01-06 23:02 ID:fp1SQVZU

I post. I exist.

12 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-01-08 17:03 ID:2ER0zyYH

i do too, though rarely


>We should have less boards

if only rapidly slowing down imageboards like 7chan would listen to this advice aswell.

13 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-02-08 15:08 ID:5Hx4ObtM

We can bring this entire website down to 2-3 boards.

14 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-02-16 05:26 ID:4Evkz1Qk

I like the other boards though. Even though it's not used often, I like the idea of having a "Romance" or "Personal Issues" board.

15 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-02-28 12:36 ID:DthhvY0L

>We can bring this entire website down to 2-3 boards.

Terrible idea. Terrible, terrible idea. Just in general.

Imagine how this place would be if DQN was the only board. (So what if it is....- You catch my drift.)

Bummer at the absolute snails pace the last several years though.
I'll try posting more.

16 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-03-01 21:53 ID:WCnn9/dX

I understand what you mean, but what if we (and by "we", I of course mean squeaks or shii or whoever runs this forum now) merge the boards whose topics overlap each other. For example, what distinguishes net culture from Internet addicts? And what distinguishes the content on Internet addicts with that of general. Food and fashion make more sense being topics or running threads on the very inactive hobbies board, which pretty much consists of, "I need a new hobby". I get the Japanese board, but do we really need a Nordic board separate from languages?

17 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-03-06 18:18 ID:AoYOg+qp

If we didn't have a separate Nordic board, those dirty swedes might start interfering and mucking around with the rest of us.

18 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-03-17 04:50 ID:Mq3n4JMk

The only problem with the separate boards is I'm too lazy to check them all to look for new posts. So I tend to avoid the ones i'm less interested in. Sorry all you News boards.

19 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-04-19 21:00 ID:OGVIzzNR

This site's traffic is going to pick up. Mark my words. 4-ch is going to be all the rage by 2020

20 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-04-21 19:12 ID:vT9RBhn5

so there are srill people here..

21 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-04-22 00:13 ID:UG1kJXoC

In the near future I shall make a global feed for new posts made across the entire site. Possibly I will allow the option to filter out certain boards (in particular DQN, since it is the most active). If people are sufficiently aware of this new feature (new? shock!), it may begin to address the problem you are describing.

In terms of removing boards, I really have to side with >>15 on this one. I do not know if this is simply out of nostalgia, stubbornness, or whatever, but it is a very strong feeling. Having said that, I really want to hear all arguments to the contrary.


22 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-02 04:24 ID:NzGOQYqo

>>21 I know how you feel, based out of nostalgia, but at the moment there are too many boards. For example, Anime and Manga can easily be put together. I can't say whether any of the users of /manga/ use /anime/ as well, but I'd imagine that they do. One of the biggest things it seems in getting more people on boards and on the site is to make it seem like there is more discussion going on. The last post on Manga was in march, and the last post on anime was today, by me. Romance and Personal could easily be merged into one board, so could Tech Support and Programming, Politics and Debate (they go hand in hand), Fashion, Food and Hobbies could just be merged into a Daily Life board. I think that textboards never really got their fair shot in the west, but I've always loved the concept, I used to post on world2ch a LONG time ago but moved to imageboards. Now that imageboards are completely un-saveable, I think that textboards are a good possibility. That's just me, however.

23 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-04 15:19 ID:uUZrEGRG

Other chans already have a romance and personal issues board.

It's called /r9k/

24 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-04 18:54 ID:sI0/GJA+

/r9k/ always revolves around not having a gf and self-loathing.
Have you seen the Personal Issues board? It's nothing like the /r9k/'s I've seen before.

25 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-04 21:22 ID:v5YbgEYN

I don't think all of those boards should be merged. but I do agree with manga & anime being together. Currently, it feels like its splitting content thats very similar.

cool. I do check my rss reader a lot more than I do this site.

26 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-05 04:16 ID:uUZrEGRG

Yeah, /r9k/ is fantastic, though, if you ignore all the >tfw no gf stuff.

Personal Issues is nothing like that. No self loathing, but also no good OC.

27 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-05 16:31 ID:uUZrEGRG

It's because of the captcha. Fix this captcha so we don't have to copy our message into an Emacs window in case we are wrong and lose our entire message.

28 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-05 19:01 ID:NzGOQYqo

My captcha is always "wow"
It must take an idiot to get the captcha wrong.

29 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-05 23:18 ID:uUZrEGRG

It varies, sometimes it is very difficult.

30 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-10 16:45 ID:OGVIzzNR

That can be said of any board, though
I could say that /b/ is pretty good if you ignore all the shamelessly gratuitous shitposting

31 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-05-20 09:23 ID:dxhAJ3qT

>>23 since when /r9k/ is about personal issues or romance? If anything it was a cool new /b/ where people fought with no repeats rule.

...a few years ago while I still frequented the place.

32 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-06-09 18:54 ID:uUZrEGRG

It's turned into the "feels board" for losers and NEETs. At least the 8chan and 4chan ones. Lots of overuse of Pepe and Feels Man.

33 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-06-10 12:35 ID:VpcH2XBs

Uh, way off track here guys..... just noting that.

I still stand by my original position of basically not changing the site in any way. It's lasted thus long.

What we need is less posters. More moderators. Mark my words.

34 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-06-13 14:25 ID:uUZrEGRG

I disagree about the posters/moderators.
I would love to have a mainstream English textboard like Japan has. 8chan/4chan are cancerous because at it's core are "le maymays" and they never breed any meaningful discussion, especially 8chan. A popular general-purpose discussion textboard would coexist with reddit and forums, and get rid of comment sections on blogs and news sites and such.
So I actually think this place needs to be shilled hard.

35 Post deleted.

36 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-06-15 12:47 ID:+KADxZAw

That post was a sarcasm, pointing out, there is more moderators and their friends, than posters.

37 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-06-17 01:38 ID:Atrx4LGF

Does captcha work now?

38 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-06-17 01:39 ID:Atrx4LGF

Well fuck me, it does.

39 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-06 23:57 ID:AYZsQ6FY

I'm so alone

40 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 00:18 ID:jCMYDH1f

no you're not, anon. You've still got us.
all 12 of us.

41 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 07:43 ID:ySqT/MSD

Searching for 「anonymous discussion forum」 on startpage (which partially gets its results from google), wakaba.c3.cx/shii/shiichan appears on page 3. And nothing more except a 4chan mention up to 10.

I don't know, maybe if we shilled the results hard..

42 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 07:45 ID:Heaven

could work, but who's gonna google "anonymous discussion forum"?

43 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 07:52 ID:a6qm8nU0

Also, if we got whoever runs 4chan now to put a link to 4-ch, that would send more ppl this way. Not an advertisement and not paid, but a link.

I imagine they don't like the idea of of textboards or other sites, though.

44 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 07:54 ID:nF6MCbc8

tbh, i doubt whoever runs 4chan now would put a link to here.
our best bet would just be to buy a self serve ad from them.

45 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 07:56 ID:a6qm8nU0

niggas interested in the idea?

46 Post deleted.

47 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 10:47 ID:WgiPy0wC

I'm opposed to advertisements, but also, I feel something deeply revolting about buying ads on 4chan.

48 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 10:56 ID:QtCPLFoL

Another way would be to contact some mainstream news outlet and propose them to make an article about textboards and 4-ch like a sort of english 2ch.

49 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-07 18:06 ID:nF6MCbc8

Has a major news outlet even mentioned 2ch? The only ones I can find are some Japanese sites and fucking Kotaku, so I doubt our chances of getting publicity like that are very high.

And even if a major news site did do a story on 2ch, they'd probably decry it and all of it's spinoffs as sites for pedophile-rapist-murderers because they're dumb as fuck and need pageviews.

50 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-08 12:52 ID:121eTjJ7

2ch probs hasn't been mentioned but don't they run out of ideas sometimes.

51 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-08 19:27 ID:jTaNMI02

Why do we need more people? With that just comes meme-faggotry and spammers.

52 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-08 19:37 ID:nF6MCbc8

I like 2ch style sites, so the fact that most english ones are slow as hell is kind of annoying.

As for meme-faggotry and spamming, we could just tell them to fuck off if they're being faggots.

53 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-08 23:53 ID:yjV6i855

It's ironic that you would act so elitist, considering words like faggot are only really trendy on some of the more juvenile imageboards.

54 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-09 08:45 ID:LAKmr06Y

Ah, maybe we should just take 4-ch for what it is, a seemingly desolated posting ground.


55 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-10 00:24 ID:Heaven

Was that in reply to me (>>52) , or >>51, because I wasn't trying to sound elitist or anything. I was trying to explain that new people coming to the site would be a good thing, and that spam / people that use unfunny memes could easily be dealt with.

56 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-10 09:44 ID:l8WyHGUL

/polpol/ and /32/ are some of the better boards on 8chan (I'm slightly suspicious of the moderation of /polpol/ though)
maybe we could subtly advertise there by mentioning 4-ch in a discussion (this is how /32/ is advertised)

57 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-10 11:26 ID:lrwiBx6b

Casually mentioning it on slow 8ch/4chan boards might work. On /qa/, one of the less populated boards on 4chan, I usually mention it in "Post what other sites you frequent?" Threads. I've also posted it on /txt/ on 8ch.

58 Post deleted.

59 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-11 04:04 ID:yjV6i855

Why advertise it? It's not like that ever endures. They'll visit for the novelty then leave, because they're too image-oriented.

The fact is that if someone takes up an interest textboard culture, no matter what they do, they're most likely to visit this site first, so why not just let it be? Don't try to impose your interests on others.

60 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-13 21:32 ID:jvwQhF+t

>They'll visit for the novelty then leave, because they're too image-oriented.

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61 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-13 23:23 ID:Heaven

You should, because they're going to spam the front page with stuff like "I'm from 8ch, and what is this site?" rather than actually contribute discussion.
Or, more likely, they're going to post on DQN, deteriorating the quality of what's all ready a very low-quality board.

62 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-14 13:36 ID:Heaven

So caught up in your elitism that you failed to notice >>60 is likely one of them.
Or did I fail to notice something myself?

63 Post deleted.

64 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-22 07:11 ID:myB5KmIi

in my defence, textboards are better.
Less bullshit image internet memes to worry about.

65 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-23 17:48 ID:AYZsQ6FY

/pol/ is literally worse than furry don't bring that shit here please

66 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-24 02:02 ID:Heaven

wait, why do we have an imageboard now?

67 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-24 02:19 ID:Heaven

BPS didn't say anything on /req/

68 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-24 15:15 ID:Heaven

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69 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-26 08:36 ID:Heaven

it's at least a bit funny because of the cat face

70 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-09-28 23:19 ID:02Kxe7MW

There is no particular reason. I was just idly toying with the idea for some time and decided to give it a go.

I've made a newspost concerning it now, as well as an invitation for any kind of feedback on this and other matters. As usual the best place to voice any kind of concern is on /req/.

I appreciate that this website moves slowly in more ways than just frequency of posts, and accordingly that some people may be resistant to this kind of change. (Actually, to be honest, it is way more active than people often give it credit for. The problem is that it is concentrated to maybe 3-4 boards in total.)

Anyways, thanks for your concern. Let me know your thoughts!

71 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-20 22:45 ID:LYsacXNY

72 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-22 14:55 ID:XwmWD3X4

Wait, so SAoVQ is finally back up now?


73 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-23 09:31 ID:QYRuOdfr

that's a different set up by a different guy

74 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-24 06:52 ID:68Jnz/r2

It's an extremely bad sign that almost all topics of discussion are about the death of or low post count of the boards.

Why does no one simply post other topics? The simplest solution. It's very puzzling.

75 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-25 13:49 ID:LWULgAYB

4chan children think that something has to be as fast as an active IRC room in order for it to be "good".

76 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-25 20:17 ID:Heaven

if you think '4chan children' even know about this place, you're an idiot.

77 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-26 18:32 ID:LWULgAYB

Great post, you've really contributed to the conversation. Contrary to your idiotic beliefs, 4-ch is well known on 4chan, especially boards like /qa/. Sounds like you're the type of retard who believes that all of 4chan = /b/.

78 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-31 05:16 ID:LYsacXNY

Thank you for showing us all how autistic you are.

79 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-31 12:21 ID:csApY09s

let's be nice to each other not fight...

80 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-10-31 22:49 ID:Heaven

Go back to 4chan.

81 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2015-11-16 01:16 ID:Heaven

It's true not all of 4chan is /b/, but a considerably large percentage of 4chan is, in fact, /b/.

And the boards that don't happen to be /b/ have a userbase that might at least partially overlap with users who have browsed /b/ in the past month or so.

82 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2016-08-31 03:23 ID:3v8Gj7q1

this is crazy, I posted this thread years ago

83 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2016-08-31 14:55 ID:Heaven

>>77 You sure sound like one of these people you have such a distaste for. Such people will easily cripple a web site like this in numbers as few as a half a dozen posting regularly; they can't even enjoy themselves on a desert island. They are the invasive oil well outposts of the internet

84 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2016-09-06 16:16 ID:Heaven

We're still the most relevant english textboard ;_;

85 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2016-09-08 23:53 ID:Heaven

Yet not relevant at all.

86 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2016-10-09 02:27 ID:Heaven

please let this thread die 4-ch is quite active now

87 Post deleted.

88 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2017-02-19 09:27 ID:3v8Gj7q1

This meme was cancer

89 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2017-05-09 23:50 ID:nCMhoUv/

If by active, you mean currently has 20 semiannual posters instead of 10. Its as dead as the original imageboard culture. How embarrassing it will look in another few years isn't a thought I relish.

I cant be the only one who feels its getting so frustrating. Maybe it really is true that we are getting too old for these things.

90 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2017-05-10 01:24 ID:Heaven

i dont enjoy cliquing and ibs seems to be a place for your chat group you grew up with, and em caring about their ass
liek removing sexuality cause pedo text shit.

91 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-04-29 14:05 ID:gafvnwID

I posted this thread 4 years ago, my life changed so much since

92 Post deleted.

93 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-06-24 16:01 ID:MJegr5VN

I like this place, it seems nice.
Maybe I'll stay.

94 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-06-26 18:20 ID:rZBkAvBh

It's not dead, it's just shit.

95 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-07-06 00:51 ID:uVAo9UBr

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96 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-08-12 05:40 ID:VeoF5wgS

4-ch is the best !!

97 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-09-02 17:54 ID:hmHSsfS0

this place is slow :(

98 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-09-03 07:17 ID:ycaP6vaV

sup losers

99 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2018-09-05 21:52 ID:cWMgZV18

and now it's changed over the past 5 months.
Tell us what's changed in your life anon

100 Post deleted.

101 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2020-09-28 14:03 ID:8KBrQSfa

>>19 well it's 2020 now...

102 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2020-09-28 17:02 ID:KUtr41B2


103 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2020-10-01 07:34 ID:z8XYyuaY

I love 4ch! I love you!


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104 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-11 20:11 ID:2hV57Ffw

Hi I'm OP, I created this thread when I was 20 years old and I was still at uni, I'm now 27, I'm married and I have two kids. It's crazy how life goes by.

105 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-12 03:40 ID:fsmuNWt8

your wife must have an overactive vagina. Either pour some poison in her cooter or stop creampieing her so much.

Much love,
-Anonymous Internet Addict

106 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-12 06:58 ID:hs50Yugg

I was a neet virgin seven years ago and I'm a neet virgin today!

107 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-12 20:05 ID:oDQ8BhBU

Gonna do AA flips on OP's non-virgin corpse

108 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-13 02:54 ID:7P9Rohy+


109 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-15 03:51 ID:EImzs84I

It ain't dead, Anon.
It's just very slow.

110 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-25 20:06 ID:DJofXFPY

like the return of our lord

111 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-01-30 00:14 ID:8m4aHHO9


Honestly, that's cool. These websites are a like trip to the past, as long as they're well preserved, like our beloved 4-ch.

112 Name: Anonymous Addict : 2021-02-03 22:09 ID:Heaven

This is what I've been saying to all the people in the request board that want the slow boards deleted or archived. Archived, I can understand, although I still disagree with it because the ability to actually post in these old threads is what makes this place so great. Deletion, however, it should be heretical to even suggest.

113 Name: 422 - Unprocessable Name : 2021-06-12 22:23 ID:2hV57Ffw

So I am OP, once again. My mother died of COVID 2 months ago, she had heart and kidney problems and was very frail... Right at the tail end of the fucking pandemic.

I will post here at the end of the decade, I have an item on my calendar for early 2029. See you in the future.

114 Name: 422 - Unprocessable Name : 2021-06-13 20:33 ID:Ni+k96lJ

may Our Lord comfort you and your mother

115 Name: 410 - Name Gone : 2021-06-23 17:02 ID:Heaven

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope the rest of the decade will be better for you and your family.

116 Name: 403 - Name Forbidden : 2024-02-07 23:15 ID:++S1KHQT

Hello from 10 years after the creation of this thread, today is my birthday, I'm 30. :)

117 Name: 406 - Name Not Acceptable : 2024-02-10 21:32 ID:Yg7qqNOi

hi, happy birthday!

118 Name: 415 - Unsupported Name Type : 2024-02-10 21:36 ID:Yg7qqNOi

i agree. this place is awesome. i know that if i said something here, maybe my son would find in the future and talk to his younger father!

119 Name: 415 - Unsupported Name Type : 2024-02-11 00:14 ID:uKLPEnWS

hello 10 years from now, i am old as fuck now holy shit gonna take out my pension soon

120 Name: 422 - Unprocessable Name : 2024-02-13 16:10 ID:Yg7qqNOi


holyshit lmao
are you going to NEET?
got any kids?

121 Name: 401 - Unauthorized Name : 2024-02-13 20:34 ID:uKLPEnWS

i answer in 10 years

122 Name: 405 - Name Not Allowed : 2024-02-15 00:49 ID:v29cNORC

I was maybe 14 when I first posted on here, and now I'm 23, and I haven't really grown much. and I don't think my passion for Internet culture has really amounted to much, either.

123 Name: 408 - Name Request Timeout : 2024-03-03 10:45 ID:lmYKLmf0

It's been about a decade by now...

124 Name: 406 - Name Not Acceptable : 2024-03-21 20:13 ID:n301TNJX

It's more popular. The website as a whole seems to be anyway

125 Name: 410 - Name Gone : 2024-05-04 08:57 ID:Heaven

I have come to this site at least a few times a year since I was thirteen. That's half my life now. Pretty soon even this thread will have existed for half my life.

I haven't done anything at all. I graduated high school and have rotted in my parents' house ever since. No job, no friends, no relationships. I feel like I died at some point when I was a teenager, and I'm continuing to inhabit my own body just to keep going on the computer. The only things that would prove I ever existed are my medical records and the posts I've made on the internet (at least a quarter of a million, if you include all my tweets). Oh, well. I guess it's normal to do nothing with your life, isn't it?

At least I have some desire to "grow" these days. I've been making progress on myself, by the standards of a hikikomori. Working doesn't even seem as scary anymore. Maybe some day I'll come back to this reply, and feel good about how my life's gone. I'll probably just feel bad, or no real way at all. But maybe!

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