I’m a n00b when it comes to computers but I don’t want to use Mint or Ubuntu, what’s the alternatives? I just want to learn programming with it but want to make it secure enough so I can fap in secret. Which should I pick?
I've gotten far with Oracle Linux.
Pretty much Red Hat, but for free.
GNOME is supported out of box, while KDE has to be installed manually.
Install all your GUI programs through Flatpak they won't be in the system repositories.
>>2
I have no idea what any of that meant..... I'm stupid (-__-)
>>3
I think you are just better off using Cygwin and installing the GCC and MinGW GCC compilers for programming.
To explain what I said in the previous post:
Red Hat is a company that sells Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
They also own Fedora and CentOS, but these should not be used because Red Hat uses Fedora for development and CentOS for beta testing so you will always run into problems.
Oracle Linux is just Red Hat Linux, but for free.
Oracle only charges money if you want support which is typically only need by big businesses.
GNOME is a desktop environment that tries to act like macOS's desktop. Officially supported by Red Hat (and thus Oracle), but it is very painful to use with how bare boned it is.
KDE is a desktop environment that tries to act like Window's desktop. Not officially supported by Red Hat or Oracle, but is more tolerable to use.
Flatpak is a system that tries to make Linux programs run on every distribution possible since this task has always been impossible most of the time.
So you won't be able to install Steam or Mumble if your distribution doesn't include it, but with Flatpak you can install Steam or Mumble.
So to summarize, anything dealing with Linux is going to be a pain. Just focus on using the actual tools you need or else you'll waste time working on your operating system.
>>1
Could you explain why you don't want to use Mint or Ubuntu?
Just use Mint. Don't fall for MES and waste your time with gentoo and whatnot.
I use Mint. It's simple, has plenty of desktop environments, and respects your privacy. Pretty good. If you are a noob with computers why are you trying to overcomplicate things? Boot up a Live CD with Linux Mint in the different desktop environments and see which one you like the most by default or which one you find easiest to configure to your liking. I really don't think you can go wrong with Linux Mint Cinnamon edition though, it's made by the Mint devs and looks pretty similar to what people are used to with things like Windows 7 before it went all corporate mobile whatever.
>>1
It is not as hasslesome to reinstall linux distros as it is to reinstall windows, it can be fairly easy because you just copy over your home directory with your settings and files (or not destroy the partition it was on). With that in mind just view your first distro as training wheels, which you can change once you've learned the basic concepts. So just give those a try for a few weeks and then you'll know what you want and don't want in a linux distro.
Personally I started with MX Linux because it ran off a USB, was advertised as beginner friendly, and I was told to avoid systemd (which has caused problems sometimes because many packages (applications) forget to list it as a dependency). I would recommend it.
>>9
systemd is fine.
Use OpenBSD
No, use Slackware.
No, use Ubuntu. No, use Gentoo. No, use Arch. No, use Fedora. No, use openSUSE. No, use Mint. No, use PopOS. No, use Debian. No, use Trisquel. No, use
For a complete beginner in the *nix world, in my experience, for pedagogical purposes, installing Arch from scratch taught me best to respect the command line, sudo'ing, updates and package managers, debugging (your own stupidity), window managers, and ***this. Just consult the almighty archwiki and you can learn all by yourself.
***being cozy with the command line teaches you how the names of the default bash/gnu/linux commands/programs don't make a lick of goddamn sense and why the *BSDs are a godsend. fuck all of that shit. also, *BSDs are complete operating systems (so there's cohesion in the default programs shipped) instead of "Linux"'s "modular" approach. never been a fan of that
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Just go with FreeBSD with KDE and Tor. Use linuxlator and wine to run Linux or Windows software. It’s a pain to install but pretty straightforward.
I can't believe NixOS hasn't been mentioned yet.
https://discourse.nixos.org/t/the-nix-elevator-pitch/3920
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NixOS is only useful for programmers and developers. If your a noob then start with FreeBSD. The manual and install instructions are straight foreword and well written (unlike the Archwiki). You can learn a lot with BSD. Like how to partition your drives, how to manage an install packages, compiling ports Gentoo style, using the command line. Whenever one of those Arch monkeys acts all smug, just tell the ape your OS is better.
Just use debian. It is very commonly used and easy to look up
how to solve any problems you might have on the internet.
Its also very modular, its fitting for a justworks desktop
environment setup, but you can also strip it of all packages
and get a very solid autismwm minimalism setup
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Deb Ian…. and he broke up with Debbie. I guess the name didn’t age well. Let’s hope Ian doesn’t go gay and start fucking the burnt out corpse of Adolph Hitler so it becomes Dolfyian. A common Armenian name which would lead to confusion.
Basically OP just do what anon said. Just get Debian with KDE and configure it however you like. Just remember to Encrypt the hard disk.
Debian is fine for 99% of people. No need to fight over what OS is better than what. It’s a waste of time any Unix-like OS will do fine. Don’t like Mint or Ubuntu? Just go with vanilla Debian.
interested in gentoo, overlays are quite useful along with app-eselect.
>>23
No chance of Ian doing much since he killed himself several years back.
>>25
Gentoo is endlessly customizable and pretty much the literal endgame, you can keep a system running it maintained indefinitely. Anything that may cause distro-hopping on another system, e.g. init systems, can be easily changed.
It's probably the best distro if you plan on keeping a single install long-term.
>>27
Huh? I've avoided Gentoo because it takes so god damn long to install and you can easily get bored, loose focus and make a dumb mistake and have to wait another 4 hours while it does its thing.
>>28
While the installation itself is quite long, albeit rather simple if you're following the handbook, once it is installed there isn't much more customization you have to do. I feel on other distros you end up having to work around them to do certain things, even something as simple as changing the DE or using an unstable version of a package, while on Gentoo everything is set up to my liking and will remain that way forever.
Christmas is approaching, so I just want to remind everyone to use Slackware. If you begin installing it tomorrow - Christmas Eve - you will have a brand new present to enjoy on Christmas morning: a Slackware Linux installation.
Let me get you started: http://www.slackware.com/
>>30
You call this a present ヽ(`Д´)ノ ohh its preddy good actually. So wait, what's slackware for exactly? Had fun setting this up but why should I use slackware?
It's stable, secure and has a lot of nice quirks. It's the oldest maintained Linux distro out there due to that and having a real dedicated community and group of contributors behind it. It is a bit of a challenge to fully understand and use - it makes Gentoo or Arch look like a toy - but it's worth it for how much of a power user it lets you be.
Deuvan is Debian without the systemd, but all the UNIX. It's maintained like it's still 1999 -- but really, nothing of any positive worth has been added to the Unix environment in the past 20 years..
i saw one distro are so cool the name is hotdoglinux i think
>>34
Isn't that the distro you could install on your PS2?
>>33
Is it Linux or Unix like? I need something that's usable and is like Debian but no Linux kernel monolithism and no gnu bloatness.
>>36
So just use FreeBSD? Its (mostly) usable. No idea if its Debian like though.
Gentoo. All other distros are tranny shit.
gentoo powered by trannys
>>43
go back to 4chan
>>45
make me!
No need I'll just wait till you get bored and leave
i will out-bore you first!
Gentoo is useless for a n00b
>I don’t want to use Mint or Ubuntu, what’s the alternatives? I just want to learn programming with it but want to make it secure enough so I can fap in secret.
Meh fuck it arch will work.
This thread clearly shows why you shouldn't use Linux. Its just a single component that needs third party distributions to work. That means different file systems, different package management, and less and less compatability between them. The whole Linux ecosystem is bloated and slowly fragmenting. Then you have the whole culture of Linux users online which is filled with vitrolic losers and retards from /g/ or disgusting know it all scumbags. Save yourself the headache and stick to Windows and Mac OSX and if you want to learn programming, Unix, and want to fap then use FreeBSD. I'd recommend GhostBSD or Midnight for a beginner.
>>52
Are you implying Windows and Mac OS isn't insanely bloated and reliant on third party distributions? Windows and Mac is increasingly written by outsourced Indians on a lower and lower budget, it's getting worse every year.
The idea of Linux having some "culture" that makes it so you can't use it is utterly retarded. I've used Linux for years and I don't interact with anyone.
It's an Operating System. Not a community you need to take part in.
>Are you implying Windows and Mac OS isn't insanely bloated and reliant on third party distributions?
Not that anon but Windows and MacOS are complete operating systems meanwhile Linux is just a kernel. They are bloated and privacy violating but they are consistent. Software compatibility is much better and both work out of the box with no problems. Getting help is much easier too.
Just install Debian (or Devuan if you are scared of systemd).
You don't need more and you know it.
Get Fedora.
>Getting help is much easier too.
From my experience, it absolutely is not.
Whenever I have a problem with Linux I can usually find an answer well documented on some wiki, or resort to pestering weird nerds on IRC for an answer.
Whenever I have any nontrivial problem with Windows I immediately realize that whoops, nothing is documented or maybe the thing causing problems was in a recent update and no one knows what to do about it, and I'm forced to look at totally useless gibberish written by Indians at Microsoft's support site. Half the time the only solution anyone comes up with is "just reinstall Windows".
Granted, running into nontrivial issues with Windows is much, much rarer, but it still happens.
>>52
Why in the world would anyone complain about compatibility issues and vitriolic culture only to then recommend anything BSD? Are you insane?
I think Debian is a reasonable choice. It was among the first distros that I tried, when I got into Linux and I'm still using it as my OS of choice. Perks of using Debian are:
MX Linux. It is based on Debian so documentation is easily available and has its own GUI programs for some tasks that will require a terminal.
Otherwise as a few people have said above Debian.
get slackware or devuan
i don't recommend systemd shit for beginners, since the error messages are retarded and systemd is a cancerous growth
Use Ugentu
This thread goes to show why you shouldn't use Linux!
Linux distributions are the same garbage re-packaged differently with a different coat of paint.
Just use [insert flavor of Debian] is like 90% of replies ITT.
Look at OP’s request. 1. I want it to be secure 2. I don’t want Mint or Ubuntu. 3. I’m a noob and want to use the OS to learn plus daily tasks.
So you have MacOS except it’s not secure and you need to sell a kidney to afford an Apple device and less hardware compatibility rules out FreeBSD. If OP wants to learn, there’s no need to get any particular version of Debian. Just use regular plain old Debian.
Discussion over.