So, taking a look at the popularity of 2ch and how significant it is within Japanese internet culture, what exactly are the cultural/social differences that make 2ch so popular and 4-ch so dead (relatively)? Although one could claim it was Densha Otoko that really brought 2ch into the mainstream attention, the fact of the matter is that it was nearly ubiquitous previous to Densha.
Furthermore, what can be done to make 4-ch more popular? I would love to see the board become as strong as 2ch, and although that may not be possible, it would be nice to see a community develop.
>>97 but thats how you can get random flamers and shit...
phpBB has the nice option of finding the prob and getting rid of it >>100
There was, and people did help, but it ended more like Guitar Otoko than Densha. If you look down the thread list, our original "Singles Rant Thread" should still be down there somewhere.
>>102
Oops, make that the Single male rant thread.
well, 2ch people have created an entire world : "customs" , new vocabulary (to an extent), a special atmosphere etc.... we can't compete ^^;
>>105 this is quite true. Maybe it would be better if we quit entirely?
>>106
We're not competing with 2ch.
We're "competing" with western/international boards.
here's a plan: write "under the moon loli to issho" on every bathroom wall, some people will google it and end up on DQN, a few of them might even stay.
>>107
We're not competing at all, why should we be?
We're not competing with any specific board, sure. What we're competing with is the Western mindset of identity versus anonymity.
>>108
Bathroom walls, huh? I wouldn't look up random crap from a bathroom wall.
I have a better idea than that. Let's start a viral market campaign. "Under the moon loli to issho" t-shirts, caps, bumper stickers. Stick random flyers in your local music stores, librarys, and community centers with that phrase on it. Stick it in your local free papers. Print out stickers and stick it on bus stops and signs. Set the homepage of every public computer that you can gain access to to 4-ch.
We will be the future.
Also, we can a variety of fancy slogans like:
Anonymity. Internet. The Future. Now.
Anonymity? On my Internets?
*Join the Internation Hikikomori Elite."
4-freedom. 4-justice. 4-ch.
The scary thing is, that doesn't really sounds like that bad of an idea. Sure, it would take some initial investment, but viral marketing seems to be the "thing" these days. I've thought about advertising 4-ch via local means (paper, etc), but I dunno. Any other input on this sort of idea?
>Any other input on this sort of idea?
using the internet/other forums instead of writing on bathroom walls?
it's sad but you just can't compete with dressing up personalised avartars
>>17
Yes you can, by making an awesome CSS + some graphics and/or animations.
You wont believe how well that works.
>>114
I've actually been scribbling Grandpa and Junior on misc places, for instance in paper guestbooks from time to time this past half year, along with random Grandpa/Junior lines I made up on the spot. Some are sort of lame, others not too horrible.
> 4-emo. 4-fags. 4-ch.
fixed
>>110 I really like the anonymity. I can post stuff that's actually very serious in one thread, and troll another because I think it's retarded, and no one else is able to connect the two together. I don't have a reputation to uphold, and that is completely awesome!
Western culture promotes individual celebrity. I can't speak for everyone, but I think it would be a mostly-fair generalization to say that Americans don't want anonymity as much as they want to avoid responsibility. I.E. teenybop271 can have a personality cult while avoiding Jay & Silent Bob tracking her down and beating the shit out of her.
I really like the "Under the moon loli to issho" idea. Only problem is the first google search result goes to etherchan wiki.
> I think Japanese people are usually reserved, and thus need anonymous message boards
> Western culture promotes individual celebrity.
Nah. Japanese-Anonymous and Western-Ego are the internet trends at the moment, sure, but that isn't a universal truth. The state of things has been shaped by commonly-used software.
I read in the News board that 2-ch is closing down. Is this true? They're saying that it will close down on the 22nd of this month.
Anyway, my question is this. Will this closing down of 2-ch be a good thing for 4-ch?
this board fails because it's full of elitist wapanese faggots
thanks for proving my point, mods
If you want to make it popular, you might try posting links in the 2ch boards that are relevant. Of course the "English" board, and perhaps the "Foreign Life board".
Particularly the North American board as people in there are hilarious with their over-exaggeration of stereotypes. If I wanted to play devil's advocate, there's some gaijin hate going on too (even though many of the people on the board live abroad) so it'd be interesting to see some conflict :)
But then bandwidth may become an issue?
>> 2ch is made popular for news4vip, 4chan by /b/
>> If 4-ch wants to be popular, dqn has to be popular first.
DQN and /b/ are very different boards. The atmosphere of both contrasts greatly, much past the fact that one is an fast-moving imageboard the other is a slower-moving textboard.
Racism, sexism, and blatant flaming may not get you banned on DQN, but it is looked down upon (most of the time) by the userbase. If 4-ch were to use a /b/-like board to gain popularity, do not expect DQN to be that board.
>>129 you're kidding right? Okay, blatant flaming is looked down upon maybe, but Racism/Sexism...I see it all the time and it seems a little encouraged, maybe not to the extent of /b/, but still...
>>125 I heard the ISP that hosts 2ch is being shut down. If you visit the 2ch website, the vase is covered up with something about seized by the court or something. The owner is a little humorous. I'm not sure what will happen to the site itself though - I heard it might be moved to a US host or something.
>>129
>>130
I think that whether or not it's looked down upon, there simply is less racism, sexism, etc. on DQN. This is probably because there are fewer posters who actually are racist/sexist.
4chan's /b/ has gotten worse, at least for me, because it's now populated mostly by unimaginative teenagers. /b/ used to be filled with a lot of sardonic comments and irony that was at least attempting to be clever, even if it often failed. Now it's nothing but forum raids, genuine bigotry, and people whining about their sex lives (real or imagined.) The people who posted the things I liked are mostly gone, or at least overshadowed by a herd of morons. I wouldn't want that kind of popularity for 4-ch.
It's about quality. I'm interested in a board where people explain themselves instead of just calling another poster a fag. Now, before you say I've misunderstood the purpose of /b/, or anonymous forums, or whatever, let me say this. I understand that anonymity allows people to say things they wouldn't otherwise say, and that includes more offensive or stupid comments. That, I can deal with. What I can't deal with is when those comments dominate boards where they don't belong, and cause the more reasonable posters to contribute less or leave. This has caused a massive dumbing-down of many 4chan boards, not just /b/. And since the kiddies assume all imageboards are the same, it's starting to spill over to other sites.
4-ch doesn't currently have a board with the culture of 4chan's /b/, and I like that. If it ever got one, or if DQN turned into one, I would at least hope that DQN behavior stayed on DQN. If it didn't, I'd be tempted to move in with my Auntie and Uncle in Bel-Air.
Congratulations, it is hosted in the US, and has done so for many, many years.
>>132 I heard it might be moved to a US host or something.
it IS hosted in the US.
>>131
As someone who only knew of 4chan for some time before happening upon links to 4-ch and 2chan, a LOT of 4chan's boards are going downhill. The world4ch board culture was better, but it is being eroded by the combination of a complete lack moderation, and worthless posters from /b/ coming to make lame gross-out threads, or endless flamewars about dividing by zero or proving that .9 (repeating) is not equal to 1. Something in 4chan died that day last August, and what remains, though larger and more popular, is not something I want brought here. 4-ch means quality over quantity, and I think that's something a lot of the posters here are more than willing to accept.
Judging by this thread, 4-ch's problem seems to be that there's nothing much to discuss.
>>136
probably has something to do with the fact that the average 4-cher rarely goes outside.
>>139
DQN has already lost it's qulity, and two thirds of it's posters as well. There's nobody left but one demented ex-VIPPER and my cousin winter-kun.
>>140
Oh come on, it still makes me laugh sometimes, admittedly less and less.
Unless they use a proxy. And assuming that the person doesn't convince the incredibly, amazingly, secure PHPBB to spit out the database's login data on the other users. Data which is probably also used elsewhere, knowing people.
Godz I've seen phpbb boards get hijacked hardcore.
Troll are everywhere, so are flamers. Learn to make it not worth their while.
>>dividing by zero
OH SHI--
>>140
I used to post trice a day at DQN, but then I stopped. I don't remember why. Might have to do with the apparent sudden zero-tolerance for new characters, even though I also did post plenty of posts with the established characters.
>>1
it's because http://elitistsuperstructure.net is taking over.
4chan, anyone?
iichan, anyone?
12chan, anyone?
fchan, anyone?
Jackie Chan, anyone?
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What are DQN and /b/?
Tea without biscuits? I think not.
I like this http://elitistsuperstructure.net/ site. If it would sort the board list showing the most active boards first, that would be cool, to just let people make whatever boards they want and see how it turns out. I could see such a thing growing popular.
I think the Japan geeks are scaring away normal people.
>>163
Hey, I keep my shit in Personal Issues, where it belongs.
Because it's become 4chan without the images.
You guys would be happy to know that you've got yourself a new member.
I've been lurking here for a long time (I was looking around here a couple of years ago).
I like it here, people are pretty nice and it's free of the trolls and morons of 4chan.
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Yea, see, things like that.
Really, there are two types of people ruining this site. Trolls from 4chan like >>167, and trolls from 2channel posting shit about Koreans.
No kidding. I don't understand all the hostility towards Koreans. As far as I know, they aren't crazy towards Americans or Japanese. Those pictures were all from a few crazy protests against the Iraqi war, a whole mess of other countries have had those, even America.
There are a lot of crazy anti-Japanese and anti-Koreans on 2ch. We don't need them here.
>>170
lol north korea hates everyone what are you saying
IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA, THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN THING, JUST LOOK AT THEIR FACES
i heard koreans were good a GO! from hikaru no go
>>170
The Japanese are hostile towards Koreans because it's the country next to them. Like Britain and France, or America and Canada. And because half the people here want to be Japanese, they copy the 2ch'ers and are hostile to Koreans as well.
So, I think what I'm saying is there should be more Canada/France bashing.
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I thought this was a thread about why 4-ch is crappy?
>>174 is why
also thread hijackers. no one like to come back and see theie thread hijacked by people talking about Koreans and shit. I'm just telling it like it is damn it. start another thread if you have an idea instead of hijacking one. fuck wads.
and I guess too because people falme alot. Liek I do, but I dun do it anon style. I'm Mugen so I tell it like it fucking is.
stay on topic, get rid of trolls, and don't flame people who you can tell are very nervous, that is, if you have a sense of things.
maybe a few people on this Board want to take the job of cleaning this fucking place up since the moderators aren't doing shit.
>>175 your outburst is the reason why those people troll.
yay! your dumb ass comment is the reason I flame to hell. obviously you are a said hijacker or troll or a racist fuck... so just take yo ugly ass back to the bridge you crawled out from and cry again. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
oh, and have a courage and stop posting anon. dumb ass.
on second thought, you could be a mod who felt a little peeved about my comment. either way, you just dun like that I told the fucking truth. eat it and deal.....
I'm a newbie; I discovered 4-ch few days ago. I'm just here to offer my two cents.
I think 4-ch has the potential of becomming popular, it just needs some (read = alot of) work to be done. Right now it isn't a really welcoming community, is it? With all the name-calling, trolling, posts like >>174 , etc, etc... The layout needs a serious face-lift too. At it's current state 4-ch isn't a board I'd recommend my friends to visit.
I'm sorry for any typos or strange choises of words. English isn't my firs language.
I think what's great about this place is that we have a lot of nice people.
If we could just get lots of really nice people who like to talk about things then this could be the heaven of the Internet.
uhm. >>181.. you can take that TWO CENTS and.. you know.
>heaven of the Internet
according to whom? you haven't grasped the main idea of life it seems.
I really like anonymous discussion systems, and think they have the potential to thrive just as well in the West as they have in Japan. However, in order for that to happen, the core functionality needs to be adapted into a modern, logical layout that doesn't confuse the hell out of newbies.
I'd also like to see more user moderation features, like post/thread ratings and tagging. Some sort of searching and customized thread-sorting would be nice too. Altogether, it would remove the need for separate, admin-controlled boards as well as the awkward "sage/don't bump" function.
Finally (and this is probably the most controversial change), I'd like to get rid of names and tripcodes and simply use rotating ID hashes with strong proxy detection to stop IP spoofers.
In actuality, I've had the idea of starting my own anonymous experiment for quite a while, but have been unable to as I don't know PHP, Perl, Rails, or SQL and quickly find myself overwhelmed. :(
>>189
There are no reputations, since it's an essentially anonymous system. Threads and posts are rated based on their individual merit rather than on the people who make them. It's an effective way of filtering out the trash.
The only somewhat confusing things are:
a) Wakabamark, which nobody uses,
b) Sage, which you don't really need most of the time.
Moderation by users already exists as sage and age. It doesn't need to be any more complex.
Who CARES if someone's IP spoofing? It doesn't matter who they are. This is an Anonymous BBS, and there aren't that many named or tripcoded users to get rid of anyway.
>>188
FYI, some screenshots of 2ch browsers.
http://webmania.jp/~2browser/screen.htm
For those who complain about the graphics, have you ever used these browsers to realize how useful they are? The graphics is kept simple so that amateur programmers can easily manipulate the 2ch data structure. For text (and ASCII Art) only exchange, 2ch browsers are way ahead of likes of phpBBS in terms of speed and usability. It's a pain to use a Web browser to browse 4-ch.
For people with enough programming and Japanese skills who are interested in how 2ch works, this is how.
http://www.monazilla.org/document/
could someone explain what sage and wakabamark does?
>>193
This might be just a troll post, but I'm going to reply to it like it's serious anyway.
Sage prevents a post from bumping the thread to the top. It goes in the email field, like in this post. Wakabamark is just a markup style that allows you to format your text as described by this: http://wakaba.c3.cx/docs/docs.html#WakabaMark
>>192
When I meant a "modern, logical layout," I wasn't referring to an unnecessarily graphical and flashy site. In fact, I'd like it to be as absolutely minimal as possible, eschewing all graphics and using only CSS for text formatting and layout.
>>194
thanks for the reply, no I was serious, i'm new to 4-ch and 4chan. 4chan seems so fast paced, the threads get bumped every few seconds or so. In 4chan, if the thread goes below the number of pages in the board, does it get deleted? And is it the same here?
I was also wondering how anonymous BBS's like 4-ch or 2-ch keep trolls out?
thanks
what is ID:Heaven? and how do you sage a thread, there is no email field in the thread
>>198
email field = link field
ID:Heaven is what happens when you enter "sage"
I thought Heaven occurred whenever you put something in Link.
When a new thread is made, the last thread on page $MAXPAGE (10 on 4chan) is deleted.
Anonymous BBSs keep trolls out by discouraging their existence in general (see http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/shiichan), ignoring them, and having the mods erase posts that consist of massive blocks of text. Supposedly.