High school story, the average kind. I have some jerks in my class, that keep harassing others. Usually the ones with less physical, and/or social skills.
One of them kinda bullied me yesterday because I stepped on his shoe by accident after the gym class in the dressing room. Lol what a prick. Just because im shorter than he, and not an asshole. This means that im the nerdy type guy in there, so excellent material for a good day harassment, but thank god they usually leave me alone and go elsewhere, because I have my own crew, and also, im kinda a hikkikomori and simply too "low" material for them.
My questions are: Why are they doing this?
And, what can a socially inept-like guy do against these kind of persons?
Any good insults and comebacks against them? I need verbal self-defense skills. It would be kind of fun too, because our fights are always verbal.
The way to deal with people like that is to ignore them completely. If they know they won't get any response out of you they'll get bored and bother you less. Also, you will probably feel less annoyed at the end of the day if you're not spending your time arguing with idiots.
It's never a good idea to attempt to escalate a situation, verbally or non-verbally. It's a waste of time for you and a lot of the sort of people who will initiate verbal attacks are the sort of people who think that physical violence is an appropriate response to verbal insults.
As far as these people's reasons go, I'm not sure. It's possible that it's attention-seeking behaviour. They get responses from most people they pick on, and there's often the factor of being told off by a teacher or parent. If somebody isn't getting enough praise in their daily life, being scolded will suffice. There's also level of coolness to be gained by being nasty, and cliques of these people will form and they'll praise each other.
Try not to step on their shoes. Apologise if you actually do, just like you would to anyone else.
I've never had a problem with "tough guys"... though, it's probably because I'm cool myself, eventhough I'm quiet.
act like you don't hear them and then when they try to physically attack you, beat the shit out of them.
bonus points if you let them beat the shit out of you once and then tell a teacher about it. the teacher won't do anything about it and then when they attack you again and you beat the shit out of them you'll be in a much better position to claim that it was in self defense. also, the teacher could get in a lot of trouble for not doing anything the first time.
I would insult them back and if they touch me I would hit back or fight if I felt like it. But then, I've gotten a three day suspension for fighting; you probably won't want that.
Just walk away. If they are trying to start a fight, don't honor their request and just walk away. Who cares if they call you a wimp, at least you don't beating and a suspension.
>>im kinda a hikkikomori
What the heck? Why do the people around here think this word is just another way of saying that you have some kind of social anxiety disorder? It's far, far more than that.
Ignoring/walking away is an option when you yourself get harrased, but what would you all do if someone else got bullied? I'm not the OP, but I have no idea what one could do, too.
>>7
Thruth. I'm not very social, too, but if you go to school/leave your house regularily you can't really call yourself a hikki.
>>9
The policy is the same. Just ignore it. And hope that they have the same policy.
I've been in the position of being with somebody while being harrassed many times. It's embarassing. The thing I hate most is when people say "just ignore it" - I already am doing! If you really must discuss the situation, do it later or make sure you don't say anything loud enough for the harrasser to hear.
Actually, I understand what >>1 means with that. There was a guy in my previous class who only went outside to go to school, he spent the rest of his waking life playing World of Warcraft. He didn't have any social anxiety at all though, he was more like an addict, once he tried to stop playing, but he re-installed WoW shortly afterwards.
>>11
A hikkikomori wouldn't go to school. Some people here are using hikki to describe practically anyone who would choose an at-home activity over an out-of-home activity.
Talk back to them. If they punch you, they get in trouble. Simple.
>>13
That's asuming that a) you want to get punched, and b) the school will do something about it.
>>13
except that they won't get in trouble unless you have proof that they punched you and you call the police. the school won't do shit about it unless someone is seriously injured.
>>15 Most schools have security cameras these days, and jerk types are probably stupid enough to punch you in front of one.
But I should add, you might want to be careful not to get a truly dangerous asshole in trouble with the police for assaulting you. Otherwise they might come after you outside of school. Or maybe not. I'm just saying don't keep yourself shot up lol
As for >>1, be careful with "verbal self-defense." If you're not good at it, an attempt to make a cool comeback can end up making you look really dorky and uncool. If you have a good sense of humor, maybe try to let it show. If those type of guys think you're funny, they'll leave you alone or may even be friendly with you. In 9th or 10th grade I had a keyboarding class and there was an asshole-type football player there who I'm pretty sure picked on me the very first day. But at some point I guess he started to think I was funny and was nice to me from there on out. I should also note, though, that I was going through the Hot Topic goth clothes phase sometime around then, and people like that usually aren't picked on (directly) from my experience.
Ignore it? Watch sitcoms much? That shit is not going to work. That will provoke them to bullying you further. I've seen it happen to people. Don't even try to preach that shit here.
You have to stop being a bitch and stand up for yourself. It's that simple. If someone talks shit to you that offends you, talk shit to them as well or tell them to fuck off. If they so much as to just lay a finger on you or get physical in any way, I don't care if you're just 112lbs, you return the favor. Scratching, biting, aiming for the nuts, any advantage you can get if you are going against a bigger person. Doesn't matter if you win or lose, it just the point that you had the balls to do so, and that will tell people that you're one person not to fuck with. It's that simple. This is life and sometimes you have to fight.
Now, if the bully in question is like 275-300lbs, I would run from the fat bastard. He can't catch you haha.
>>18
One problem with fighting back is that most bullies work in groups and if you go against one, you will find yourself against a bunch of them. If you are away from other people -- sometimes they won't even care about getting caught, you are fucked.
Snap and go into a berserker, breaking fingers and pouding faces in until the person is no longer recognizable.
If you're still young, though, you might not have been able to bottle up enough anger and hatred inside of you to make this effective yet.
just become popular. or join their joy of bullying kids that will later suicide as an escape route.
Bring a gun and shoot one of the assholes. That should teach them not to mess with the number one nigga in town.
Forget guns
Either instantly snap or stab a screwdriver through his neck
while calling him a nigger as he dies
Then when anyone else dares to step to you, you can do something different, maybe take the driver through their eye, temple, rip their arm off and golf swing it against their head as they lay on the ground in screaming agonizing pain from the blood loss and bone seperation or just find a way to knock them down (trip, kick to the check, punch to the face then grab head then fiercely pull head downwards to your rising knee) and then simply perform a small hop landing an single heel onto their chest/head anywhere really as the pain will be enough to immobilize them if you don't go for a fatal area.
Or if you just want to let him off with a warning, spin him around then kick him in the ass as hard as you can though I may add if you nail where the tailbone is hard enough you CAN also kill him that way too so it may be an option.
>>18
Is right. Work Out and just do as u like as in style of fighting (biting...). Well I didn't want to compare to make my advice lighter but it is kind of like Densha Otoko just have the balls to fight and get beat up.
Well, if you can't attack the one directly and punch him on the face, or say shit to him, just act behind de scenes! Try(if you know the right ones) spreading rumors about the guy, or another indirect way of combat, like incriminating the guy. 9 in 10 guys would run scared from the schools if all the people knew that he 'was saw doing something VERY wrong'. Don't saying things like 'steal somethings and incriminate the guy', just easier things to give him another fame than the 'monster harasser'. Maybe Photoshop will help you? XD
>>27 must be female.
But since there are no girls on the internet, he must be a gay guy.
>>28
Not a girl, just a guy who stands for a real case of defense =P Guess what happens if you just go and say some shits to the guy... or worse: try to fight with him. Not only you'll be beaten(except in cases that the guy isn't the type 'monster harasser'. But then it's another thread...), but you'll pass over more humiliation and fear...
Ok... Whatever! XD
1st: EVER ATTRACT ATTENTION
2nd: TAKE THE HIGH ROAD,do ANYTHING, be unpredictable. be the wierd un shaved guy who looks likes he is about to snap any time and start killing people.
Don't respond to bullies and act all shy and offended like a little whiny bitch, but then suddenly snap for almost no reason, start yelling at them in middle of a class and tell them to shut the fuck up. if they got physical. like lets say, they forced you out behind a school computer liberary and took over it, then take the extremes, like grabing the monitor and smashing it to the ground. and if you over got in a fight ( i did ). fight like there is no tomarrow, it doesn't matter what you do, just hurt them any way you can and don't give up, hit em in the nunts or throw a knife ( well if they already got knifes, then you need guns, which i don't reccomend, but be somehow one step ahead all the time ) . you may not look pretty afterwards, but i'm sure you wont be bothered again.
i was bullied to the point of insanity in my first tow years of middle school years in a private all boys school. in the third year i just sacted unpreadictable and always one step ahead , same people... , but i was never bothered agian. and somehow now that i am in highschool, i am not bothered any more ( even thought i don't put up any acts any more, i kinda learned how to have the "right" attitude through this )
Kill yourself and no one will ever bother you again. Otherwise, just grab some friends and beat them one by one.
> Otherwise, just grab some friends and beat them one by one.
how would beating your friends help?
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beat the ppl that bully you
I think he meant gang up on the bullies one-by-one.
hmm i had the same situation last year, u gotta find the courage to stand up for ur self otherwise ur live is gonna be a living hell. u could just beat them up and they will never touch u again
Well, from my experience, intellectual bullies are a lot more effective than physical ones. The people you're talking about don't seem very intelligent to begin with, and are obviously craving attention and power; that's what bullies typically want. I suggest biding your time until you can come up with something good; until then, join the debate team in your school, or do mock debates/arguments with your friends to get some practice in. Learning how to improvise and come up with things on the fly is a very useful skill to have, and just like any other skill, practice makes perfect. Also, you might want to pick up a bit of self-defense in, just in case they try and attack you physically. Remember, you can't get in trouble if you were only defending yourself.:)
I agree with the folks that are telling you to take the high road. I would however not even get into any prolonged verbal exchaanges with them. It ends up making both of the parties look the same. Loud and noisy is not cool. If it does get into a physical thing then you must surround yourself with a group of friends that are always willing to tow the line. If you and three other guys always stick up for eachother you will create a force that people will not want to mess with. Even the biggest guy knows that he has no chance against a group of four who attack at the same time. You ALWAYS need to hurt them more than they hurt you last. If you are hit while alone, you and you crew needs to find the ass and hit him hard as soon as possible. Get him outside his house or somewhere else off school grounds. Remember a close knit crew of three or four is formidable, if you can create this you will be safe. The worry of "them" doing the same thing is a waste, you will find that putting together a crew like this is difficult and involves more comraderie and loyalty than most bullies can foster. Remember, there is NO SUCH THING as dirty fighting. You ned to do what you must do to end a fight as quickly as possible. NO WEAPONS or you are just a gheto gangbanger. You and your friends should pick up the best martial art there is. Kali. It is fun and terrible. All this I say comes from experiance. Your crew is forever and your best defense. It only takes a few times before even the biggest dummy learns the lesson.
Number > Strength
And like >>39 said, you'll not be doing a dirty fighting if you're not into an arena or something. And if they try to counter with a crew too, well... Try LASERS! Your group with lasers will be invencible! No man will cross your way again!
But if you don't find lasers, try arguing with them. Funny jokes(not the ones that only your friends will ever understand, like: "I'll beat you... WITH LASERS!" or "PH34R MY L33T SKI11Z" O_o) will make the day. Probably you'll get punched a few times, but in the end no one will remember you were punched like... 1871564809423489452147 times, but will remember that "the mother of Mr. Bullier don't eat pigs 'cause she loves her equals" xD